Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | Hurt  | | Posted: | May 19, 2022 16:32 | | Subject: | Re: 61054 off brands | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, ccroxton writes:
| | Someone is doing an excellent job of re-creating LEGO designs for parts!
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Interesting.
Are there two different molds? One with the actual number and one without?
Lego Technic parts tend to not have any Lego numbers on them (at least in the
past).
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| Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | May 19, 2022 16:20 | | Subject: | Re: 61054 off brands | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| looks like a real
to me
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| Author: | ccroxton | | Posted: | May 19, 2022 16:10 | | Subject: | 61054 off brands | | Viewed: | 154 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| | Someone is doing an excellent job of re-creating LEGO designs for parts! |
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 19, 2022 10:36 | | Subject: | Car bases 18923c01 & 68446c01 | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Hi all,
* | | 18923c01 Vehicle, Base 8 x 16 x 2 1/2 with Mudguards Raised, 4 x 14 Recessed Center with 3 Holes, and Dark Bluish Gray Wheels Holders
Parts: Vehicle, Base |
* | | 68446c01 Vehicle, Base 8 x 16 x 2 1/2 with Mudguards, 4 x 14 Recessed Center with 5 Holes, and Dark Bluish Gray Wheels Holders
Parts: Vehicle, Base |
I don’t have the parts, only 3D model for 18923c01, so could someone check they
are actually:
— 18923c01: 2 bricks high,
or 2 1/3 if you include the wheel axle brick (bottom is 1 plate lower than
the base),
or 2 1/3 if you include the top of the mudguards,
or 2 2/3 if you include both the bricks and the mudguards,
— 68446c01: 2 1/3 bricks high,
or 2 2/3 if you include the wheel axle bricks,
or is it 2 & 2 1/3? (I can’t see if it’s the base that is higher or the
mudguards that are lower),
and make the proper change request?
Thanks 
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| Author: | ccroxton | | Posted: | May 16, 2022 18:02 | | Subject: | Re: 18792 not listed in a silver color? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, ccroxton writes:
| | Why is there no silver color for the bow and arrow? Flat silver or pearl light
grey, something like that?
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You might want to check all the parts you bought in the lot. I'm sure one
of the "fits lego" brands did Steve wearing silver armour and a matching silver
bow and arrow.
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I have not found any off-brand Steve figures. Most of the off-brand that I get
are poorly made, and this one actually looks better than the RB one does!
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 16, 2022 13:59 | | Subject: | Re: 18792 not listed in a silver color? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, ccroxton writes:
| | Why is there no silver color for the bow and arrow? Flat silver or pearl light
grey, something like that?
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You might want to check all the parts you bought in the lot. I'm sure one
of the "fits lego" brands did Steve wearing silver armour and a matching silver
bow and arrow.
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| Author: | ccroxton | | Posted: | May 16, 2022 12:18 | | Subject: | Re: 18792 not listed in a silver color? | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, ccroxton writes:
| | Why is there no silver color for the bow and arrow? Flat silver or pearl light
grey, something like that?
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First, are you sure that it is LEGO? If so, where did you find it? I can't
find any official information on a Flat Silver Minecraft bow and arrow.
Cheers,
Randy
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I came out of an auction lot, so it could theoretically be anything. Close inspection
reveals that the pattern is exactly the same, except for the diamond between
the handlebars. On the RB bow there is a small bump on one side in the center
of the diamond. This is absent on the sliver bow. Neither seem to bear any Lego
markings. The RB is more worn on all the little details, but that could be from
a well-used mold, or lots of handling?
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 16, 2022 05:33 | | Subject: | Re: 18792 not listed in a silver color? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, ccroxton writes:
| | Why is there no silver color for the bow and arrow? Flat silver or pearl light
grey, something like that?
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First, are you sure that it is LEGO? If so, where did you find it? I can't
find any official information on a Flat Silver Minecraft bow and arrow.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | ccroxton | | Posted: | May 16, 2022 01:39 | | Subject: | 18792 not listed in a silver color? | | Viewed: | 107 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Why is there no silver color for the bow and arrow? Flat silver or pearl light
grey, something like that?
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 12, 2022 07:13 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | (¹ 2599a has three other Design IDs. One of them could be used if the “a” is
“itching” some people. Maybe use the one that can be read on modern parts.)
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They are noticeable different parts, 2599a is way more flexible than the newer
ones, maybe they could be split.
This happened recently with this hair:
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| Author: | jancg | | Posted: | May 11, 2022 11:07 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Another option to allow external tools to update their external catalogs is to
provide a push-delta. BrickLink has a reasonable API. Should be relatively easy
to implement.
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| Author: | Bricklanta | | Posted: | May 11, 2022 07:18 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jedvii writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
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Please mention any concerns you have with these changes along with ideas as to
what would work the best for BrickLink in the future.
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I feel this all could have been avoided by having some kind of announcement before
catalog changes are made. Right now it feels so willy-nilly. Sure 99% of catalog
changes are thing people wouldn't care about, but those other 1% can really
have an impact. Why can't there be an announcement of parts that are going
to be changed? Maybe on Mondays you could post all the parts that are set to
be changed in 1 week.
I feel an increase in transparency would be a great thing.
-jed
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Or maybe just not change part numbers at all! I get that someone had the bright
idea that things might have been better if these parts had been moneyed this
way too begin with, but they weren't. Sometimes, speaking from personal experience,
you suck up your OCD tendencies and you adhere to precedent and backwards compatibility.
Also, this may not fall into the catalog admin's kingdom, but upgrading the
database in the back end to notate whether a part has subpart or is a sprue or
is a "multipart" would solve the problem in a far more elegant way without breaking
hundreds of people's inventories.
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| Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | May 11, 2022 05:51 | | Subject: | Re: Communication Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Mmmm, looks like "de toeslagenaffaire": who decides and has the authority to
do so given by who?
Or the book by Jesse Frederiks on that disaster "Zo hadden we het niet bedoeld"
(English: "That's not what we intended to happen...").
This phenomenon now even entered the world of our beloved plastic parts  .
So much for 'a world of our own...'.
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| Author: | jedvii | | Posted: | May 11, 2022 05:14 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
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Please mention any concerns you have with these changes along with ideas as to
what would work the best for BrickLink in the future.
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I feel this all could have been avoided by having some kind of announcement before
catalog changes are made. Right now it feels so willy-nilly. Sure 99% of catalog
changes are thing people wouldn't care about, but those other 1% can really
have an impact. Why can't there be an announcement of parts that are going
to be changed? Maybe on Mondays you could post all the parts that are set to
be changed in 1 week.
I feel an increase in transparency would be a great thing.
-jed
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 11, 2022 05:01 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | […]
| | But if the plain ID is already used for the lone part, can it also be used as
an alternate ID for the sprue?
For instance, 3742 is the flower, can 3742 be added as alternate ID for 3742sprue?
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As far as I know Alternate ID is just a text field, like a second title.
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Oh yeah, I forgot that. So no problem and very handy solution
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 11, 2022 04:46 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, Stellar writes:
Plus two parts that are not: 4079b and 4079bpb01 
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Hey, I didn't say the list only contained parts on sprue, just said that
all parts on sprue where there
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| | If IDs with a suffix had the ID without the suffix as an alternate ID they would
appear in searches alongside without the need of the * that most users don't
know about.
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But if the plain ID is already used for the lone part, can it also be used as
an alternate ID for the sprue?
For instance, 3742 is the flower, can 3742 be added as alternate ID for 3742sprue?
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As far as I know Alternate ID is just a text field, like a second title.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 11, 2022 04:39 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
Plus two parts that are not: 4079b and 4079bpb01
| | If IDs with a suffix had the ID without the suffix as an alternate ID they would
appear in searches alongside without the need of the * that most users don't
know about.
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But if the plain ID is already used for the lone part, can it also be used as
an alternate ID for the sprue?
For instance, 3742 is the flower, can 3742 be added as alternate ID for 3742sprue?
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 11, 2022 04:34 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
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What about things like these?
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I think those have always been this way.
And the sprues have their LEGO number and we don’t know the lone parts number
(or even if they have one¹: TLG doesn’t really need one as they only produce
and sell the sprues).
Maybe the sprues could have the “sprue” suffix to show they are sprues but I’m
not keen on removing the “a” from the parts.
(¹ 2599a has three other Design IDs. One of them could be used if the “a” is
“itching” some people. Maybe use the one that can be read on modern parts.)
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I picked two items there, as they are handled in different ways by LEGO. The
knives come on a sprue, but in the inventory in instructions they are shown singly.
Whereas the wands are shown on a sprue, even if just one is needed. At least,
in the instructions I just looked at (79003).
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 11, 2022 04:26 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
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What about things like these?
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I think those have always been this way.
And the sprues have their LEGO number and we don’t know the lone parts number
(or even if they have one¹: TLG doesn’t really need one as they only produce
and sell the sprues).
Maybe the sprues could have the “sprue” suffix to show they are sprues but I’m
not keen on removing the “a” from the parts.
(¹ 2599a has three other Design IDs. One of them could be used if the “a” is
“itching” some people. Maybe use the one that can be read on modern parts.)
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 11, 2022 04:21 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | I made adjustments yesterday to the following item numbers:
and today I made a few more:
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What about things like these?
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Full list of multiple items on sprue:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?v=1&pg=1&q=sprue&catLike=W&sortBy=N&sortAsc=A&catType=P
If IDs with a suffix had the ID without the suffix as an alternate ID they would
appear in searches alongside without the need of the * that most users don't
know about.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 11, 2022 03:49 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | I made adjustments yesterday to the following item numbers:
and today I made a few more:
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What about things like these?
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | May 10, 2022 19:45 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 99 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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BrickLink
ID CardAdmin_Russell
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Location:  USA, California |
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Contact |
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| In Catalog, brox999 writes:
| | Why on earth has this catalog number changed, usually the a suffix is because
a new variant has emerged but that isn't the case here, does not make sense.
Andrew (Broxy's Bricks)
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I made adjustments yesterday to the following item numbers:
and today I made a few more:
One of the effects of using a "smart number" system is that Item Numbers take
on a greater purpose than that of a simple unique identifier. In cases where
an Item Number is found to be incorrect, it is catalog policy to make the correction
in order to better align with the sources of information we have about that part.
The changes that were made recently to the item numbers of complete sprues were
aligned with this policy. We have now dropped the practice of using the assembly
constant suffix "c01" for complete sprues, which was troublesome due to complete
sprues technically not being "assemblies":
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=168
The problem that arose, though, was that some items on the sprue had been numbered
with the item number of the complete sprue. When the Item Number you wish to
use is already in use, this presents a situation where an Item Number will not
simply be retired from use, but it will take on a new identity. This was a sticking
point with some of our sellers who
had resulting issues with listings and items sold.
To solve this, I have completed a couple changes. First, for all complete sprues
that cannot immediately be changed to their correct number, I have added the
suffix "sprue" to the Item Number.
Second, I have reverted the Item Numbers of the separate parts back to what they
have been known as for years.
For two of the cases (the round plate and the flippers) the situation is more
complex, because the parts were distributed both with and without sprues. Strictly
speaking, the newer versions without sprue have a new number and should not be
used in the inventory for the older sprue.
However, this would be highly impractical to implement because it would disassociate
parts that are virtually the same. So the jury is still out on how this will
end up being handled. For the time being we will stick to how things are now.
Please mention any concerns you have with these changes along with ideas as to
what would work the best for BrickLink in the future.
Be sure to do a hard refresh to get the right images to appear in the macro tags
in this post.
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| Author: | ZwarteMagica | | Posted: | May 10, 2022 07:21 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| That would be great to implement and makes bricklink more scalable.
For now I really looking forward for the next blunt change. Messing with my inventory.
In Catalog, brick.warehouse writes:
| | Third party applications will have difficulty with changes of this nature as
the part number is the only identifier that is available over the API.
A competing site provides a separate stable identifier (the BOID) which allows
the part number to change without breaking the relationship between the parts
on Bricklink and the parts in external databases.
If these changes are going to occur frequently, it would be helpful if Bricklink
could introduce something similar.
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| Author: | Leftoverbricks | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 23:41 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, brox999 writes:
| | Why on earth has this catalog number changed, usually the a suffix is because
a new variant has emerged but that isn't the case here, does not make sense.
Andrew (Broxy's Bricks)
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I would like to make a formal apology to you and everyone else for not thinking
all of the consequences through for these changes. Although I am an experienced
contributor and admin, I am human and not perfect. I make mistakes. Most of the
parts on sprue will not affect hardly anything or cause a stir, but this part
is different and special because it is so ubiquitous. As others have seen, this
one part has had the changes reverted, and I take full responsibility for the
blame. I am currently taking my floggings and licking my wounds, and I hope there
are no hard feelings had by all.
Thanks,
Randy
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Well, all settled then.
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| Author: | brick.warehouse | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 22:36 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Third party applications will have difficulty with changes of this nature as
the part number is the only identifier that is available over the API.
A competing site provides a separate stable identifier (the BOID) which allows
the part number to change without breaking the relationship between the parts
on Bricklink and the parts in external databases.
If these changes are going to occur frequently, it would be helpful if Bricklink
could introduce something similar.
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| Author: | Macaronis | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 13:52 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a DUMB DUMB DUMB | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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** I refrained from using the F word in this message numerous times !!!!
____
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Considering my Age and Time here I can totally understand this. My comparison
over the years is if I would have had to put money in a swear jar because of
the amount of times I had cursed in cases like this over BL things, I would have
about 2 dollars less than Elon Musk.
W
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| Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 12:58 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, brox999 writes:
| | Why on earth has this catalog number changed, usually the a suffix is because
a new variant has emerged but that isn't the case here, does not make sense.
Andrew (Broxy's Bricks)
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I would like to make a formal apology to you and everyone else for not thinking
all of the consequences through for these changes. Although I am an experienced
contributor and admin, I am human and not perfect. I make mistakes. Most of the
parts on sprue will not affect hardly anything or cause a stir, but this part
is different and special because it is so ubiquitous. As others have seen, this
one part has had the changes reverted, and I take full responsibility for the
blame. I am currently taking my floggings and licking my wounds, and I hope there
are no hard feelings had by all.
Thanks,
Randy
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No hard feelings here! I understand your thought process of wanting to have all
the sprue parts consistent for the catalog. Thanks for being so forthcoming about
all the details.
Our imperfect catalog needs lots of imperfect people to keep it going.
Jen
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 12:27 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | I would like to make a formal apology to you and everyone else for not thinking
all of the consequences through for these changes.
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As punishment you must walk over a pile of 4073s with bare feet. The "crime"
is not serious enough to warrant 3003s!
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 11:36 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | […]
I would like to make a formal apology to you and everyone else for not thinking
all of the consequences through for these changes. Although I am an experienced
contributor and admin, I am human and not perfect. I make mistakes. Most of the
parts on sprue will not affect hardly anything or cause a stir, but this part
is different and special because it is so ubiquitous. As others have seen, this
one part has had the changes reverted, and I take full responsibility for the
blame. I am currently taking my floggings and licking my wounds, and I hope there
are no hard feelings had by all.
Thanks,
Randy
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No problem Randy. I think the communication part (or rather lack thereof; the
surprise) made it a bigger issue than it really is.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 11:23 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, brox999 writes:
| | Why on earth has this catalog number changed, usually the a suffix is because
a new variant has emerged but that isn't the case here, does not make sense.
Andrew (Broxy's Bricks)
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I would like to make a formal apology to you and everyone else for not thinking
all of the consequences through for these changes. Although I am an experienced
contributor and admin, I am human and not perfect. I make mistakes. Most of the
parts on sprue will not affect hardly anything or cause a stir, but this part
is different and special because it is so ubiquitous. As others have seen, this
one part has had the changes reverted, and I take full responsibility for the
blame. I am currently taking my floggings and licking my wounds, and I hope there
are no hard feelings had by all.
Thanks,
Randy
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| Author: | Leftoverbricks | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 11:20 | | Subject: | Re: Communication Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Leftoverbricks writes:
| | In Catalog, brox999 writes:
| | Why on earth has this catalog number changed, usually the a suffix is because
a new variant has emerged but that isn't the case here, does not make sense.
Andrew (Broxy's Bricks)
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So we had a severe situation today: Randyf changed 4073 to 4073a. After a couple
of hours Admin Russell changed it back to 4073.
Facts:
- Randyf is an extremely experienced and valuable Catalog Associate
- apparently this was quickly met by critique on the forum and admin Russell
reverted it
So I ask myself: who is in charge here? A catalog associate or a manager? And
if Russell is in charge why didn't he reply to the topic?
Just asking.
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To clarify: I'm not criticizing Russell for reverting the change made by
Randyf (I welcome that), I criticize the complete lack of communication from
BL admins to sellers.
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| Author: | Leftoverbricks | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 10:59 | | Subject: | Communication Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, brox999 writes:
| | Why on earth has this catalog number changed, usually the a suffix is because
a new variant has emerged but that isn't the case here, does not make sense.
Andrew (Broxy's Bricks)
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So we had a severe situation today: Randyf changed 4073 to 4073a. After a couple
of hours Admin Russell changed it back to 4073.
Facts:
- Randyf is an extremely experienced and valuable Catalog Associate
- apparently this was quickly met by critique on the forum and admin Russell
reverted it
So I ask myself: who is in charge here? A catalog associate or a manager? And
if Russell is in charge why didn't he reply to the topic?
Just asking.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 10:26 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, ZwarteMagica writes:
| | […]
Thank you Bricklink! Now I have sold pieces I do not own, or ever have had.
Again Thank you!
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I thought everything was changed automatically, including store inventories.
Or did you add the “wrong” parts after the change? (Using a not-yet up-to-date
tool?)
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| Author: | ZwarteMagica | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 10:18 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, brox999 writes:
| | Why on earth has this catalog number changed, usually the a suffix is because
a new variant has emerged but that isn't the case here, does not make sense.
Andrew (Broxy's Bricks)
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Thank you Bricklink! Now I have sold pieces I do not own, or ever have had.
Again Thank you!
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 10:13 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | The question is: Is there a difference in the database between special assemblies
and sprues? And, except for “sprue” in the name or description, I fear there’s
not.
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You would hope that there could be different types. I think there are different
types of "parts", not all of them actually parts in the bricklink sense. In particular,
special assemblies, (built) animals, minifigures, etc. To me, these are all equivalent
types of object. They are groups of parts that once assembled form the special
object but are also reversible. To me, all these types of assemblies are more
than just parts. They should all be recognized with the same status as minifigures
as a well-defined special object.
Is there really a fundamental difference between this part:
and this minifigure?
There is definitely (at least, should be) a difference between a special assembly
and a sprue. Special assemblies are all composed by the user from parts. Whereas
sprues (and bags of parts, sticker sheets, etc) are parts that the user destroys
to create other parts (whether the created parts are recognized as parts or not,
without being attached to other parts).
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There’s two levels: interpretation (what the things are (or thought to be)) and
representation (how things are stored in the database).
You’re talking about interpretation, I was talking about the database.
Everything in interpretation isn’t always represented. It’s often not the case,
either because of poor implementation or simply because it’s not useful… or
because things changed and the border between useful and not needed moved.
So, AFAIK, for the catalogue, the items are: sets, parts, minifigures, books,
gears, catalogues, instructions, boxes, and unsorted lots.
There’s no subtype for parts: a part is a part.
And parts can contain parts. That the part is then a single part, a composite
(hinge plate, horse, motor…), an assembly (stickered assembly, brick-built animal
or character) or a sprue is, I believe, not in the database. I don’t think that
there’s a field or table that says “standalone,” “composite,” “assembly,” or
“sprue.” The only way to differentiate the last three is by interpretation (that
is, looking at the description if the word Sprue is there (but beware of 4079b
 )). For the first one, I don’t think there’s a field either, it’s just that
its list of subparts is empty. Even “can’t be inventoried” is just another table
that lists parts for which the UI will prevent you from adding subparts.
So, what I was saying, what I meant, is that for the parts page to add a link
“Part of Sprue XX,” the devs need to either:
a. Add a subtype field (or tables) to determine if a part is a standalone, composite,
sprue, or special assembly… which I don’t think they’ll do soon or they would
have done it for the special assemblies.
b. Parse the description to look for clues, which is not a good thing to do,
partly because descriptions are free (see comment about 4079b), and also because
information shouldn’t be stored in composite fields that you then need to decompose/parse.
What I didn’t say is that it shouldn’t be done (preferrably a super-(a), which
would allow to sort the “special assemblies are characters like minifigures but
not minifigures” problem).
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 09:29 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | The question is: Is there a difference in the database between special assemblies
and sprues? And, except for “sprue” in the name or description, I fear there’s
not.
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You would hope that there could be different types. I think there are different
types of "parts", not all of them actually parts in the bricklink sense. In particular,
special assemblies, (built) animals, minifigures, etc. To me, these are all equivalent
types of object. They are groups of parts that once assembled form the special
object but are also reversible. To me, all these types of assemblies are more
than just parts. They should all be recognized with the same status as minifigures
as a well-defined special object.
Is there really a fundamental difference between this part:
and this minifigure?
There is definitely (at least, should be) a difference between a special assembly
and a sprue. Special assemblies are all composed by the user from parts. Whereas
sprues (and bags of parts, sticker sheets, etc) are parts that the user destroys
to create other parts (whether the created parts are recognized as parts or not,
without being attached to other parts).
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 08:45 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | | | For ease of finding the sprue part variant, you could also add all sprue parts
as a related item to the parts that are on the sprue.
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It somehow already exists: “Item Appears In … NN Parts” but it sure is less visible
than the other way round (“Item Consists Of”).
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The item appears in ... NN parts is not so useful for things like the 1x1 round
plate, since so many assemblies are classed as parts. The humble 1x1 round appears
in 59 parts - nearly all of them animals or special assemblies that are not
important enough to be minifigures like other similar objects but have to have
a label so get called parts.
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Yes, first you have to look in the column that has many links, then you need
to find it in the list (though, here, it’s the first one).
That’s why I said “somehow”
The question is: Is there a difference in the database between special assemblies
and sprues? And, except for “sprue” in the name or description, I fear there’s
not.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 08:31 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | For ease of finding the sprue part variant, you could also add all sprue parts
as a related item to the parts that are on the sprue.
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It somehow already exists: “Item Appears In … NN Parts” but it sure is less visible
than the other way round (“Item Consists Of”).
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The item appears in ... NN parts is not so useful for things like the 1x1 round
plate, since so many assemblies are classed as parts. The humble 1x1 round appears
in 59 parts - nearly all of them animals or special assemblies that are not
important enough to be minifigures like other similar objects but have to have
a label so get called parts.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 08:26 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jbroman writes:
| | Looking at the change log, it’s been changed back by Admin_Russell.
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It has been changed back, but changed back to what it was seven plus years ago,
not yesterday. The pair started out as 4073sprue.
Then
Aug 22, 2015
Changed Item No from {4073sprue} to {4073c01}
May 8, 2022
Changed Item No from {4073c01} to {4073}
Changed Item No from {4073} to {4073c01}
Changed Item No from {4073c01} to {4073}
May 9, 2022
Changed Item No from {4073} to {4073sprue}
So it is now (currently?) back to what it was called years ago.
Anyone using the number only for cataloguing/storage will still need to deal
with a change if they have the sprue parts.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 07:38 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jbroman writes:
| | Looking at the change log, it’s been changed back by Admin_Russell.
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Great, just after I changed my database….
| | Change is good, but maybe cat admins should also look at how many sets are affected.
4073 is everywhere, most people looking for it would be surprised that it was
available on a sprue for 13 years in 173 sets.
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If, as Randyf said, one of the goals was to make it easier for interoperability,
naming the standalone plate 6141 would have been better (it’s its name in LDD
& LDraw).
| | With that, maybe all parts on sprues should have the sprue suffix. While still
leaving the assembly constraint off.
For ease of finding the sprue part variant, you could also add all sprue parts
as a related item to the parts that are on the sprue.
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It somehow already exists: “Item Appears In … NN Parts” but it sure is less visible
than the other way round (“Item Consists Of”).
| | By the way, with these recent changes, there is no default colour shown for 4073
when going to the item page.
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Seems okay now.
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| Author: | jbroman | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 07:21 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Looking at the change log, it’s been changed back by Admin_Russell.
Change is good, but maybe cat admins should also look at how many sets are affected.
4073 is everywhere, most people looking for it would be surprised that it was
available on a sprue for 13 years in 173 sets.
With that, maybe all parts on sprues should have the sprue suffix. While still
leaving the assembly constraint off.
For ease of finding the sprue part variant, you could also add all sprue parts
as a related item to the parts that are on the sprue.
By the way, with these recent changes, there is no default colour shown for 4073
when going to the item page.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 06:27 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 109 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, brox999 writes:
| | Why on earth has this catalog number changed, usually the a suffix is because
a new variant has emerged but that isn't the case here, does not make sense.
Andrew (Broxy's Bricks)
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The reason it was updated was because all sprued parts were updated.
All sprued parts were rid of their assembly constants for a few reasons: (1)
to actually make the part connections between LEGO data and BrickLink data more
in sync; (2) to make them easier to find when searching from other sources; (3)
they are not true assemblies (they are actually one molded part and not an assembly
of parts which are *built* from other base parts); and (4) to sync up with how
multipacks and plastic sheets are handled and/or will be handled in the catalog
(which is by just the design number and no assembly constants).
For example,
etc.
All of these had assembly constants, but now they don't. However, all of
the subparts of these sprued parts have for a very long time gone by subpart
numbers ending in 'a', and 4073 was a lone holdout for a very long time
because it was the most forward facing part. Now it has finally been standardized
with all of the other sprued parts.
Also, if you look at a larger sprue or a multipack, you will see the subparts
of those entries use letter suffixes:
or
I know that the change to this one part is the most obvious, but there is a lot
to be gained by standardizing all sprued parts with each other and with how other
things are handled in the catalog. It will take a little time to get used to,
but it will not take long before it is part of everyone's knowledge.
I hope that this message goes a ways towards explaining the rationale. Please
let me know if you have any other questions.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 03:28 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a DUMB DUMB DUMB | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | It screws up all BL seller storage of physical inventory and all past records.
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No it doesn't. It may cause a tiny problem for some sellers but certainly
not all. If you choose to store only by part number, can't you just add an
a to the end of the storage label? There is maybe slightly more work for people
that have both sprued and single parts, as they need to change two numbers.
| | It makes set inventories worthless now.
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Why? They have all been updated correctly.
I'm not a fan of unnecessary changes but this hardly seems like the end of
the world.
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| Author: | uvt203 | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 03:22 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a DUMB DUMB DUMB | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Shiny_Stuff writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | In Catalog, brox999 writes:
| | Why on earth has this catalog number changed, usually the a suffix is because
a new variant has emerged but that isn't the case here, does not make sense.
Andrew (Broxy's Bricks)
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Probably because of this: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=4073#T=I
I was just thinking about that part before I found this post...
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That is a totally STOOPID move.
The one on the sprue should be numbered 4073c00 or 4073c01 or 4073sprue and leave
the regular entry alone.
This is but another example of silly, unnecessary part number changes that cause
chaos for everybody for no good reason. It also breaks all connections with
all other websites that rely on BL part numbers. It screws up all BL seller
storage of physical inventory and all past records. It makes set inventories
worthless now.
This is NOT an improvement or enhancement or beneficial to anyone for any reason.
BrickLink is a commerce website and the primary purpose is to enable easy buying
and selling. BrickLink does NOT exist to have a "Perfect" catalong -- whatever
the heck that might mean. When part numbers get changed willy-nilly it causes
untold problems.
Part number 4073 has existed for over 20 years. Nothing good comes from changing
it now.
Please change it back.
** I refrained from using the F word in this message numerous times !!!!
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+1
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| Author: | Shiny_Stuff | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 02:56 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a DUMB DUMB DUMB | | Viewed: | 121 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | In Catalog, brox999 writes:
| | Why on earth has this catalog number changed, usually the a suffix is because
a new variant has emerged but that isn't the case here, does not make sense.
Andrew (Broxy's Bricks)
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Probably because of this: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=4073#T=I
I was just thinking about that part before I found this post...
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That is a totally STOOPID move.
The one on the sprue should be numbered 4073c00 or 4073c01 or 4073sprue and leave
the regular entry alone.
This is but another example of silly, unnecessary part number changes that cause
chaos for everybody for no good reason. It also breaks all connections with
all other websites that rely on BL part numbers. It screws up all BL seller
storage of physical inventory and all past records. It makes set inventories
worthless now.
This is NOT an improvement or enhancement or beneficial to anyone for any reason.
BrickLink is a commerce website and the primary purpose is to enable easy buying
and selling. BrickLink does NOT exist to have a "Perfect" catalong -- whatever
the heck that might mean. When part numbers get changed willy-nilly it causes
untold problems.
Part number 4073 has existed for over 20 years. Nothing good comes from changing
it now.
Please change it back.
** I refrained from using the F word in this message numerous times !!!!
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| Author: | here4bricks614 | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 01:04 | | Subject: | Re: 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 142 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, brox999 writes:
| | Why on earth has this catalog number changed, usually the a suffix is because
a new variant has emerged but that isn't the case here, does not make sense.
Andrew (Broxy's Bricks)
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Probably because of this: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=4073#T=I
I was just thinking about that part before I found this post...
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| Author: | brox999 | | Posted: | May 9, 2022 00:45 | | Subject: | 1x1 Round plate - 4073 to 4073a (Why????) | | Viewed: | 246 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Why on earth has this catalog number changed, usually the a suffix is because
a new variant has emerged but that isn't the case here, does not make sense.
Andrew (Broxy's Bricks)
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| Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | May 7, 2022 09:14 | | Subject: | Re: Inventories | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, CapnBootle writes:
| | Why, bearing in mind The Lego Group now own BrickLink, do we still have to wait
for set inventories to be approved? - surely TLG actually have pics of any new
parts and have the capability to provide them to a site it owns? 
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We've had all the available set data and all the part renders for years even
from before LEGO owned the site. However, our catalog is much more complicated
than just this data. Look at a set inventory. How much do you see that is obviously
been created by hand? Photographic images, minifig inventories, names for parts,
extras, alternates, sticker sheets, etc?? If we used the raw data from Day 1,
your part-out would be incomplete, and I bet that wouldn't be what you want
either.
Jen
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=315060&nID=1320391
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By the way, which set inventory are you looking for? I do a lot of inventories
and maybe I could help.
Jen
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| Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | May 7, 2022 08:54 | | Subject: | Re: Inventories | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, CapnBootle writes:
| | Why, bearing in mind The Lego Group now own BrickLink, do we still have to wait
for set inventories to be approved? - surely TLG actually have pics of any new
parts and have the capability to provide them to a site it owns?
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We've had all the available set data and all the part renders for years even
from before LEGO owned the site. However, our catalog is much more complicated
than just this data. Look at a set inventory. How much do you see that is obviously
been created by hand? Photographic images, minifig inventories, names for parts,
extras, alternates, sticker sheets, etc?? If we used the raw data from Day 1,
your part-out would be incomplete, and I bet that wouldn't be what you want
either.
Jen
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=315060&nID=1320391
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| Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | May 7, 2022 01:33 | | Subject: | Re: Inventories | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, CapnBootle writes:
| | Why, bearing in mind The Lego Group now own BrickLink, do we still have to wait
for set inventories to be approved? - surely TLG actually have pics of any new
parts and have the capability to provide them to a site it owns?
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Bricklink adds to inventories:
- Complete Minifigs
- Counterparts
- the correct variants of parts
- alternate variants
- extra parts
This can only be done by submitting inventories, based on sealed sets.
- add the minifigs
- add the counterparts
- check the correct variant
- build the set to determine extra parts
All this has to be checked before approval, to make sure it's correct and
complete.
Diana
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