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 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, UTLF writes:
  what if I went back in time & re-designed the instruction book to show that the
brick-built legs are part of the completed minifigure?


Yes. Good luck. 👍

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In Catalog, SirIceCream1001 writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  If a Lord business fig with the long legs was added would it be approved as a
counterpart?

No.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1474409


What about the lower part of the legs if it was added under special assembly,
counterpart?


Also no.

I’m picking up a certain vibe

Nah you must be trippin
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog, UTLF writes:
  what if I went back in time & re-designed the instruction book to show that the
brick-built legs are part of the completed minifigure?


Yes. Good luck. 👍
 Author: SirIceCream1001 View Messages Posted By SirIceCream1001
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  If a Lord business fig with the long legs was added would it be approved as a
counterpart?

No.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1474409


What about the lower part of the legs if it was added under special assembly,
counterpart?


Also no.

I’m picking up a certain vibe
 
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what if I went back in time & re-designed the instruction book to show that the
brick-built legs are part of the completed minifigure?
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In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  If a Lord business fig with the long legs was added would it be approved as a
counterpart?

No.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1474409


What about the lower part of the legs if it was added under special assembly,
counterpart?


Also no.
 Author: Saitobricks.ca View Messages Posted By Saitobricks.ca
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In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  If a Lord business fig with the long legs was added would it be approved as a
counterpart?

No.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1474409


What about the lower part of the legs if it was added under special assembly,
counterpart?
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Jun 18, 2024 05:25
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In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  If a Lord business fig with the long legs was added would it be approved as a
counterpart?

No.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1474409
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Jun 18, 2024 05:17
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In Catalog, bahpstore writes:
  Have a similar question

Why is this a "Plate, Round":

 
Part No: 1745  Name: Plate, Round 1 x 2 Half with 1 Stud (Jumper)
* 
1745 Plate, Round 1 x 2 Half with 1 Stud (Jumper)
Parts: Plate, Round {Red}

When this is a "Tile, Round" (not Plate):

 
Part No: 18674  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Open Stud
* 
18674 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Open Stud
Parts: Tile, Round {Orange}

For many years, categorization of new parts was often an arbitrary or random
decision made by the member who submitted the part and/or the admin who approved
it.
And now, the site won't let us fix such things.

See also https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1417759
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Jun 18, 2024 05:08
 Subject: Re: Lord Business fig listing not right.
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In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  The listing for Lord Business in set
 
Set No: 70809  Name: Lord Business' Evil Lair
* 
70809-1 (Inv) Lord Business' Evil Lair
691 Parts, 7 Minifigures, 2014
Sets: The LEGO Movie
is incorrect.
As you can see
 
Minifig No: tlm029  Name: Lord Business
* 
tlm029 (Inv) Lord Business
Minifigures: The LEGO Movie
is missing the rest of his legs as seen here in the instructions.
Therefore the listing is wrong and should be fixed.

The legs start with a new building sequence (step 1 on page 5), therefore the
figure is considered complete as shown on page 4.

https://www.lego.com/cdn/product-assets/product.bi.core.pdf/6088807.pdf
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In Catalog, bahpstore writes:
  Have a similar question

Why is this a "Plate, Round":

 
Part No: 1745  Name: Plate, Round 1 x 2 Half with 1 Stud (Jumper)
* 
1745 Plate, Round 1 x 2 Half with 1 Stud (Jumper)
Parts: Plate, Round {Red}

When this is a "Tile, Round" (not Plate):

 
Part No: 18674  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Open Stud
* 
18674 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Open Stud
Parts: Tile, Round {Orange}

This has bothered me too. I've always considered 18674 to be a round 2x2
jumper plate.
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Have a similar question

Why is this a "Plate, Round":

 
Part No: 1745  Name: Plate, Round 1 x 2 Half with 1 Stud (Jumper)
* 
1745 Plate, Round 1 x 2 Half with 1 Stud (Jumper)
Parts: Plate, Round {Red}

When this is a "Tile, Round" (not Plate):

 
Part No: 18674  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Open Stud
* 
18674 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Open Stud
Parts: Tile, Round {Orange}
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
 Posted: Jun 17, 2024 19:43
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In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  If a Lord business fig with the long legs was added would it be approved as a counterpart?

Indeed! Lord, the Business of sorting what TLG throws out there
for us to scrap over, almost like it's entertainment But of course it's
not... It's just the result of how we in the secondary marketplace
try and add meaning to every bit of minutiae a plastic toy company driven by
profit, produces.

I'm sure there's gotta be some element of entertainment though, for those
outside the secondary LEGO market

Keep the perspective...
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In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
  Question 1) Why is this a "Plate, Modified":

 
Part No: 73831  Name: Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
* 
73831 Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
Parts: Plate, Modified {Red}

When this is a "Plate" (not modified):

 
Part No: 2420  Name: Plate 2 x 2 Corner
* 
2420 Plate 2 x 2 Corner
Parts: Plate {Orange}

... while it could be a "Plate, Modified 2x2 Corner"?

Question 2)

If these ones below are ever produced, where will they be classified?

Plate, Modified or Plate Corner something or what?


In short, I don't see why 73831 is "less a Plate" than 2420 or 77844
or 2639.

 
Part No: 77844  Name: Plate 3 x 3 Corner
* 
77844 Plate 3 x 3 Corner
Parts: Plate {Blue}
 
Part No: 2639  Name: Plate 4 x 4 Corner
* 
2639 Plate 4 x 4 Corner
Parts: Plate {Dark Tan}

Or, why not considering:

All "Plate" should be rectangular (or square which is a rectangle) and
plain.

All others are "Plate, Modified", thus including our current "Corner".


https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1265170

Ohhhh

But I can read there:

That doesn’t mean, of course, that we will never move these parts. Just that
when we are being careful and moving things in logical stages, we need to recognize
that the inclusion of the “corner” elements is a completely different matter
than that of the 3 x 3 Cross Plate or the 2 x 3 Plate with Cutout, or other
parts like the 4 x 4 Plate with Center Cutout that could have been included with
the “basic” list had we gone another direction.


Anyway, it's a pain that 73831 is a "Modified", really.

You make good points, I thought.

To BL more broadly: Online search, especially cataloging, is about semantics
language-to-code If the commonly understood wording is not there, well....

Which goes to Sylvain's input
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In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
  Question 1) Why is this a "Plate, Modified":

 
Part No: 73831  Name: Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
* 
73831 Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
Parts: Plate, Modified {Red}

When this is a "Plate" (not modified):

 
Part No: 2420  Name: Plate 2 x 2 Corner
* 
2420 Plate 2 x 2 Corner
Parts: Plate {Orange}

... while it could be a "Plate, Modified 2x2 Corner"?

Question 2)

If these ones below are ever produced, where will they be classified?

Plate, Modified or Plate Corner something or what?


In short, I don't see why 73831 is "less a Plate" than 2420 or 77844
or 2639.

 
Part No: 77844  Name: Plate 3 x 3 Corner
* 
77844 Plate 3 x 3 Corner
Parts: Plate {Blue}
 
Part No: 2639  Name: Plate 4 x 4 Corner
* 
2639 Plate 4 x 4 Corner
Parts: Plate {Dark Tan}

Or, why not considering:

All "Plate" should be rectangular (or square which is a rectangle) and
plain.

All others are "Plate, Modified", thus including our current "Corner".


https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1265170


Oh wow - it may be an historical pain, but it's a pain.
I hope it'll change.

Sorry, didn't read this Russell's post.
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If a Lord business fig with the long legs was added would it be approved as a
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In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
  Question 1) Why is this a "Plate, Modified":

 
Part No: 73831  Name: Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
* 
73831 Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
Parts: Plate, Modified {Red}

When this is a "Plate" (not modified):

 
Part No: 2420  Name: Plate 2 x 2 Corner
* 
2420 Plate 2 x 2 Corner
Parts: Plate {Orange}

... while it could be a "Plate, Modified 2x2 Corner"?

Question 2)

If these ones below are ever produced, where will they be classified?

Plate, Modified or Plate Corner something or what?


In short, I don't see why 73831 is "less a Plate" than 2420 or 77844
or 2639.

 
Part No: 77844  Name: Plate 3 x 3 Corner
* 
77844 Plate 3 x 3 Corner
Parts: Plate {Blue}
 
Part No: 2639  Name: Plate 4 x 4 Corner
* 
2639 Plate 4 x 4 Corner
Parts: Plate {Dark Tan}

Or, why not considering:

All "Plate" should be rectangular (or square which is a rectangle) and
plain.

All others are "Plate, Modified", thus including our current "Corner".


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In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  The listing for Lord Business in set
 
Set No: 70809  Name: Lord Business' Evil Lair
* 
70809-1 (Inv) Lord Business' Evil Lair
691 Parts, 7 Minifigures, 2014
Sets: The LEGO Movie
is incorrect.
As you can see
 
Minifig No: tlm029  Name: Lord Business
* 
tlm029 (Inv) Lord Business
Minifigures: The LEGO Movie
is missing the rest of his legs as seen here in the instructions.
Therefore the listing is wrong and should be fixed.

He is first shown to be a completed build here:

True but look at it this way, for ease of building, you build the fig first,
then build and add the legs, after all there is no indication that the fig is
finished.

yes there is

Umm, that's just extras so kids know they can make him normal

aka that's when the figure is considered complete

  Maybe should the rest of him fully built be added as a alternate item?

you can take the images and upload them as a new entry and see if they want to
add it but it likely wouldn't go thru

I just can't see the listing as correct. On the box art it also shows him
with the full legs

remember the box arts are not used for entries countless figures are shown
with accessories or different setups then how they are made in the instructions

True, but he is shown in the instructions with the legs attached. Also note that
is the last time he was shown in the instructions and it was with the long legs,
he was never shown with them off, excluding the building steps.

yes but based off of the hair and legs placed there that's when it is considered
as "complete" otherwise it would be the same as including a minifigure
on a horse since in the instructions (and maybe box art) it shows that figure
on a horse

True, but we are talking about legs, not modes of transport

whats the difference?

Got me there
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In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
  The listing for Lord Business in set
 
Set No: 70809  Name: Lord Business' Evil Lair
* 
70809-1 (Inv) Lord Business' Evil Lair
691 Parts, 7 Minifigures, 2014
Sets: The LEGO Movie
is incorrect.
As you can see
 
Minifig No: tlm029  Name: Lord Business
* 
tlm029 (Inv) Lord Business
Minifigures: The LEGO Movie
is missing the rest of his legs as seen here in the instructions.
Therefore the listing is wrong and should be fixed.

He is first shown to be a completed build here:

True but look at it this way, for ease of building, you build the fig first,
then build and add the legs, after all there is no indication that the fig is
finished.

yes there is

Umm, that's just extras so kids know they can make him normal

aka that's when the figure is considered complete

  Maybe should the rest of him fully built be added as a alternate item?

you can take the images and upload them as a new entry and see if they want to
add it but it likely wouldn't go thru

I just can't see the listing as correct. On the box art it also shows him
with the full legs

remember the box arts are not used for entries countless figures are shown
with accessories or different setups then how they are made in the instructions

True, but he is shown in the instructions with the legs attached. Also note that
is the last time he was shown in the instructions and it was with the long legs,
he was never shown with them off, excluding the building steps.

yes but based off of the hair and legs placed there that's when it is considered
as "complete" otherwise it would be the same as including a minifigure
on a horse since in the instructions (and maybe box art) it shows that figure
on a horse

True, but we are talking about legs, not modes of transport

whats the difference?
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  In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:

True, but he is shown in the instructions with the legs attached. Also note that
is the last time he was shown in the instructions and it was with the long legs,
he was never shown with them off, excluding the building steps.

There is no rule that says the minifig builds are decided by the last place they
are shown in the instructions. In fact, it's supposed to be the first time
they are finished. I think of it as the Tah-dah! moment in the LEGO instructions.
You built your fig, it picks up its blaster/sword/cell phone/accessory and tah-dah!
it's complete. And then, there's other stuff in the set that might happen.

BrickLink lets people buy any extra parts and accessories for themselves if they
want them so no one is missing out because the alternate legs are not incorporated
into our official minifig.

Hope that helps,
~Jen

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