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 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: May 9, 2021 12:45
 Subject: Re: Split Copper
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This issue is already known, and it would be part of project #2 on the Catalog
Roadmap: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476


In Suggestions, WOLKsite writes:
  At the moment, the "Copper" color covers 4 distinct major colors:

Comparison image, from DeMartinet: https://brickshelf.com/gallery/DeMartinet/Colors/img_2465.jpg

Pearl:
189 Reddish Gold (alt. named Gold Metallic) - Used most notably in Knights'
Kingdom II, but also for Krana-Kal/Kraata in BIONICLE. Like the name says, it's
a reddish gold color, somewhat similar to pearl gold. Replaced by Pearl Gold
in 2006. The minifig sword in the image.
139 Copper - Used most notably in Exo-Force. Kind of brown in color. The
2x2 dome piece in the image.
346 Copper Metallic - A much more orangish color, used between 2017 and
2020. The action figure sword in the image.

Metallic:
300 Copper, Drum Lacquered - Like 139 Copper, but "metallic". The axe-head
in the image.

Personally, I think these are distinct enough to warrent individual colors.

There's of course, the BIONICLE copper masks of victory (which use 176 Red
Flip/Flop) and golden masks (178 Yellow Flip/Flop) (also sold as Metallic Gold)
but given the very limited usage, a unique color is not needed there. Ditto for
the Pohatu/Pahrak canister lid, ofc.
 Author: tec View Messages Posted By tec
 Posted: May 9, 2021 06:28
 Subject: Re: Split Copper
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For reference, my uneducated eyes, not aware of any legoid, will say:

Brass:
- light brass: small sword
- dark brass: mask

Copper:
- copper: big sword

bronze:
- bronze: mask, dome.
- freshly cast bronze: axe head
 Author: WOLKsite View Messages Posted By WOLKsite
 Posted: May 9, 2021 03:42
 Subject: Split Copper
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At the moment, the "Copper" color covers 4 distinct major colors:

Comparison image, from DeMartinet: https://brickshelf.com/gallery/DeMartinet/Colors/img_2465.jpg

Pearl:
189 Reddish Gold (alt. named Gold Metallic) - Used most notably in Knights'
Kingdom II, but also for Krana-Kal/Kraata in BIONICLE. Like the name says, it's
a reddish gold color, somewhat similar to pearl gold. Replaced by Pearl Gold
in 2006. The minifig sword in the image.
139 Copper - Used most notably in Exo-Force. Kind of brown in color. The
2x2 dome piece in the image.
346 Copper Metallic - A much more orangish color, used between 2017 and
2020. The action figure sword in the image.

Metallic:
300 Copper, Drum Lacquered - Like 139 Copper, but "metallic". The axe-head
in the image.

Personally, I think these are distinct enough to warrent individual colors.

There's of course, the BIONICLE copper masks of victory (which use 176 Red
Flip/Flop) and golden masks (178 Yellow Flip/Flop) (also sold as Metallic Gold)
but given the very limited usage, a unique color is not needed there. Ditto for
the Pohatu/Pahrak canister lid, ofc.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: May 8, 2021 18:20
 Subject: Re: Redundant Counterpart in set 10740-1?
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In Catalog, Bricklanta writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:

  You only need look at the Regular Items section to see if you have all the parts
of a set.

I'm sure that's a really simple exercise for you, but when some of my
parts are counterparts and some of my parts are regular parts and some of my
parts are alternates, there's probably a step I'm missing when I just
look at it.

And when I'm aggregating all of my sets to see what I have and what parts
I still need to add to a wishlist, it's even more muddled. Perhaps you can
share a little more detail of the steps to take to make sure I have all the
parts of a set?


The first step on an inventory page, such as

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=4789-1

is to click on the "Break Minifigs" link near the top.

Now you will have a complete list of every part you should have in the set.

If you have an assembled Counterpart, take it apart into its constituent parts
and use those to compare with the parts in the Regular Items section.

If you have a stickered part, pretend it does not have a sticker and see if it
is in the Regular Items section.

Easy peasy.
 Author: Bricklanta View Messages Posted By Bricklanta
 Posted: May 8, 2021 16:23
 Subject: Re: Redundant Counterpart in set 10740-1?
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In Catalog, randyf writes:

  You only need look at the Regular Items section to see if you have all the parts
of a set.

I'm sure that's a really simple exercise for you, but when some of my
parts are counterparts and some of my parts are regular parts and some of my
parts are alternates, there's probably a step I'm missing when I just
look at it.

And when I'm aggregating all of my sets to see what I have and what parts
I still need to add to a wishlist, it's even more muddled. Perhaps you can
share a little more detail of the steps to take to make sure I have all the
parts of a set?
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: May 8, 2021 14:52
 Subject: Re: Redundant Counterpart in set 10740-1?
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In Catalog, Bricklanta writes:
  I noticed in set 10740-1 (Fire Patrol Suitcase) that two of the three counterparts
are redundant. In the regular set inventory are parts for a motorcycle sub assembly.
That subassembly (52035c03) is listed as a counterpart for 6 regular parts -
1x Red fairing, 1x Black chassis, 2x Black tires 50861, and 2x Red wheels 50862.

However two wheel & tire subassemblies are *also* listed as counterparts - 2x
50862c01, which comprises the same two tires and the same two wheels as the motorcycle
subassembly.

Wheel and tire assemblies are always listed as counterparts in an inventory separate
from any larger counterpart assemblies that may contain them. This is standard
catalog practice.

  I feel this is redundant and causes confusion - a single individual regular piece
has two counterparts. Since counterparts are barred from having MatchIDs, this
is really confusing and trying to do something like finding out if i have all
the parts of a set is complicated.

You only need look at the Regular Items section to see if you have all the parts
of a set.

  I don't know if there are any guidelines on counterparts - but it's clear
to me that putting sub-sub-assemblies in the inventory isn't standard, otherwise
we'd see torso assemblies in counterparts to minifigures.

As mentioned above, it is standard. Torso assemblies are not included in counterparts
because torso assemblies come assembled in a set and are only listed in the Regular
Items section.

  Can we at least have a guideline that a single regular part should only have
1 counterpart listed in the inventory? Or move the wheel&tire to be a counterpart
inside the motorcycle assembly?

I am sorry, but no.
 Author: Bricklanta View Messages Posted By Bricklanta
 Posted: May 8, 2021 14:38
 Subject: Redundant Counterpart in set 10740-1?
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I noticed in set 10740-1 (Fire Patrol Suitcase) that two of the three counterparts
are redundant. In the regular set inventory are parts for a motorcycle sub assembly.
That subassembly (52035c03) is listed as a counterpart for 6 regular parts -
1x Red fairing, 1x Black chassis, 2x Black tires 50861, and 2x Red wheels 50862.

However two wheel & tire subassemblies are *also* listed as counterparts - 2x
50862c01, which comprises the same two tires and the same two wheels as the motorcycle
subassembly.

I feel this is redundant and causes confusion - a single individual regular piece
has two counterparts. Since counterparts are barred from having MatchIDs, this
is really confusing and trying to do something like finding out if i have all
the parts of a set is complicated.

I don't know if there are any guidelines on counterparts - but it's clear
to me that putting sub-sub-assemblies in the inventory isn't standard, otherwise
we'd see torso assemblies in counterparts to minifigures.

Can we at least have a guideline that a single regular part should only have
1 counterpart listed in the inventory? Or move the wheel&tire to be a counterpart
inside the motorcycle assembly?
 Author: elias3 View Messages Posted By elias3
 Posted: May 8, 2021 13:24
 Subject: Re: We have a new Inventories Administrator!
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

We have appointed to the Community Expert Program one new member today! His username
is Turez and he will be assuming the role of Inventories Administrator. As with
all other admins in this area, he will be eligible to move up through the ranks
after a period of time:

https://www.bricklink.com/feedback.asp?u=Turez

https://www.bricklink.com/memberAdmins.asp

Turez comes to us as a well-known and trusted catalog contributor who has a sharp
understanding of LEGO history and catalog related issues. He has contributed
extensively, and his contributions are of a very high quality. You can see some
of his part images here:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?pg=1&imgLID=346378&sortBy=N&sortAsc=A&catType=P

We look forward to what he will bring to the team. Please welcome him.

Congratulations Jonas 😷
 Author: elias3 View Messages Posted By elias3
 Posted: May 8, 2021 13:22
 Subject: Re: We have a new Catalog Associate!
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  Greetings BrickLink catalog enthusiasts!

You will be pleased to learn that we have just today appointed a new Catalog
Associate - Randyf. Randy has served as an Inventories Administrator for the
last couple years and has done a fantastic job. We feel this promotion, though
it has been long in coming, is very well deserved.

As a reminder to those who are still learning about the BrickLink Community Expert
Program, the Catalog Associate position gives admin privileges over the entire
catalog half of our BrickLink system. After one year's experience, Catalog
Associates are eligible for promotion to full Catalog Admin, which gives them
full privileges on both sides, for both catalog and inventories.

https://www.bricklink.com/memberAdmins.asp

We plan to update the Hall of Fame page very soon. There are several things to
add, including Randy's time serving as Inventory Admin.

Please welcome our new associate!


Congratulation Randy 😷
 Author: MrPetovan View Messages Posted By MrPetovan
 Posted: May 6, 2021 13:45
 Subject: Re: We have a new Catalog Associate!
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Thank you for your good spirit!

In Catalog, randyf writes:
  To both of you, thanks! And of course I do not hold grudges against either of
you. We may have differing opinions on policies and routes of action from time
to time, but that is all part of the job. Having more people interested in what
happens with the catalog/inventories is a good thing!
 Author: jennnifer View Messages Posted By jennnifer
 Posted: May 6, 2021 13:23
 Subject: Re: We have a new Catalog Associate!
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Congrats to randyf! Good luck in your new position for which you are so well-qualified!
I am glad you are watching over our catalog.

Jen
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: May 6, 2021 13:19
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In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  In Catalog, MrPetovan writes:
  Congratulations Randy, I know we haven't always seen each other eye to eye,
but I'm not holding any grudge, and I hope you won't either!



+1


Just Kidding Congrats Randy!


To both of you, thanks! And of course I do not hold grudges against either of
you. We may have differing opinions on policies and routes of action from time
to time, but that is all part of the job. Having more people interested in what
happens with the catalog/inventories is a good thing!
 Author: patpendlego View Messages Posted By patpendlego
 Posted: May 6, 2021 11:30
 Subject: Re: baseplate 16 x 21
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In Catalog, 1974 writes:
  In Catalog, patpendlego writes:

  It is not a 16x22 plate, and no way you can prove it to be a misprint of it.

Misprint? There is not thing printed on it

LOL you're right of course, I couldn't come up with the right word...

  
It's a misCUT. Baseplaets are vacuum formed in large sheets and then cut
to size. It's not even TLG who makes these, it's an outside company allthough
I'm not sure if they cut them too?

It's not the first time a non-standard baseplate have turned up

Cheers,

Ole
 Author: 1974 View Messages Posted By 1974
 Posted: May 6, 2021 09:13
 Subject: Re: baseplate 16 x 21
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In Catalog, patpendlego writes:

  It is not a 16x22 plate, and no way you can prove it to be a misprint of it.

Misprint? There is not thing printed on it

It's a misCUT. Baseplaets are vacuum formed in large sheets and then cut
to size. It's not even TLG who makes these, it's an outside company allthough
I'm not sure if they cut them too?

It's not the first time a non-standard baseplate have turned up

Cheers,

Ole
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: May 6, 2021 07:51
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Congratulation Randy and wish you all the best.
 Author: infinibrix View Messages Posted By infinibrix
 Posted: May 6, 2021 07:50
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In Catalog, MrPetovan writes:
  Congratulations Randy, I know we haven't always seen each other eye to eye,
but I'm not holding any grudge, and I hope you won't either!



+1


Just Kidding Congrats Randy!
 Author: tec View Messages Posted By tec
 Posted: May 6, 2021 07:37
 Subject: Re: baseplate 16 x 21
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Before venturing in selling it, first thing to do is a deep inspection with magnifier/microscope/light
etc

If it happens that the part ID is for 16x16 baseplate, it would be a complete
different case, don't you think?

Better yet, what if it's an unknown ID?


  Can I sell this item on Bricklink?
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: May 6, 2021 07:07
 Subject: Re: baseplate 16 x 21
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Yeah. Listing as a custom item probably is best here, so the customer really
knows what size they are getting. Baseplates can be manually cut and finished
to look quite professional even if the cut is not exactly the same as when done
officially. Proving it was genuinely made/supplied like that may be difficult.
 Author: patpendlego View Messages Posted By patpendlego
 Posted: May 6, 2021 06:43
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In Catalog, tonnic writes:
  In Catalog, brik_en_tik writes:
  In Catalog, tonnic writes:
  In Catalog, brik_en_tik writes:
  I have a LEGO green baseplate with 16 x 21 studs, which does not seem to exist
on Bricklink (one size smaller is 16 x 18 and one bigger is 16 x 22). It is a
genuine LEGO baseplate, which is not cut, not broken or damaged whatsoever so
I'm wondering to which set this baseplate might belong. I suspect something
from Fabuland 3664 since I have other bricks from this set, but I'm not sure.
Can someone help me out? Picture is uploaded.

These were cut in the factory.
I do not know if it was done by an employee with a ‘cuttingmachine’ but maybe
it was miscalculated.
So a really nice survivor.

Can I sell this item on Bricklink?

If it most likely was cut by Lego I think you can but let others correct me if
I am wrong.

A lot of these older baseplates have a more white stressmark on the thin side
from the cut made in the Lego factory.
They were cut into shape from a very large plate.

So if you sell it make sure the size is very visible in your description to make
sure a potential buyer can read it and after selling make sure they really DID
read it since you can only put it on Bricklink like:
1) a custom item (not found easily)

This is the only option.

  2) at the entry of baseplate 16x22 studs, buyers can find it there but you need
tombe sure they know they are buying the 16x21 studs.

It is not a 16x22 plate, and no way you can prove it to be a misprint of it.

  
Pricewise? I wouldn’t know, maybe a few €’s more than the standard baseplate
or you can ask in this forum for a very interested member and reserve it for
a price you agreed on.
 Author: tonnic View Messages Posted By tonnic
 Posted: May 6, 2021 06:05
 Subject: Re: baseplate 16 x 21
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In Catalog, brik_en_tik writes:
  In Catalog, tonnic writes:
  In Catalog, brik_en_tik writes:
  I have a LEGO green baseplate with 16 x 21 studs, which does not seem to exist
on Bricklink (one size smaller is 16 x 18 and one bigger is 16 x 22). It is a
genuine LEGO baseplate, which is not cut, not broken or damaged whatsoever so
I'm wondering to which set this baseplate might belong. I suspect something
from Fabuland 3664 since I have other bricks from this set, but I'm not sure.
Can someone help me out? Picture is uploaded.

These were cut in the factory.
I do not know if it was done by an employee with a ‘cuttingmachine’ but maybe
it was miscalculated.
So a really nice survivor.

Can I sell this item on Bricklink?

If it most likely was cut by Lego I think you can but let others correct me if
I am wrong.

A lot of these older baseplates have a more white stressmark on the thin side
from the cut made in the Lego factory.
They were cut into shape from a very large plate.

So if you sell it make sure the size is very visible in your description to make
sure a potential buyer can read it and after selling make sure they really DID
read it since you can only put it on Bricklink like:
1) a custom item (not found easily)
2) at the entry of baseplate 16x22 studs, buyers can find it there but you need
tombe sure they know they are buying the 16x21 studs.

Pricewise? I wouldn’t know, maybe a few €’s more than the standard baseplate
or you can ask in this forum for a very interested member and reserve it for
a price you agreed on.

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