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 Author: electricbaer View Messages Posted By electricbaer
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 23:35
 Subject: SOA part in 5541
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electricbaer (9199)

Location:  USA, North Carolina
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I have the small stickers that fit over the blue 6541 and the blue 4070 to this
set as they are applied in the first model. However in the alternate build for
this set, they look to be applied to a 1 x 6 brick.

Do they qualify to be added as a SOA part, and also as a brick decorated part
to the catalog, or are they nullified from being added since they can be applied
in multiple configurations in this set?
 
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 22:58
 Subject: Re: 88072 in Light Gray
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StormChaser (566)

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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  I strongly object to this resolution.

  both as a buyer or seller, I would care about the variant

I don't care whatsoever about this variant difference (personally, as opposed
to in any official capacity). Wouldn't it be great if BrickLink handled
variants in a way that would serve you and I equally well?
 Author: samsam2 View Messages Posted By samsam2
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 21:14
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 41322-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 41322  Name: Snow Resort Ice Rink
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41322-1 (Inv) Snow Resort Ice Rink
295 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2017
Sets: Friends

* Add 1 Part 3068bpb1306 Yellow Tile 2 x 2 with Groove with Ice Skate with Dark Blue, Magenta and Medium Azure Triangles Pattern (Sticker) - Set 41322 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3068bpb1305 Yellow Tile 2 x 2 with Groove with Pretzel with Dark Blue, Magenta and Medium Azure Triangles Pattern (Sticker) - Set 41322 (Counterpart)
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 21:13
 Subject: Re: Did horizontal become vertical & vice versa?
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randyf (442)

Location:  USA, Ohio
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In Catalog, Legoboy_II writes:
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:

When and why did you stop beating your wife?

  
  In Catalog, Legoboy_II writes:
I think you owe the Community a sincere apology for
such a personal and unwarranted attack against my
deceased wife, whom you didn't even know and had
absolutely no reason to drag into your argument.


I’m not sure this is serious due to the way it’s worded but if I owe an apology,
I’d sincerely apologize to you, your wife’s memory, and her family and friends
for having mentioned an hypothetical wife of yours in a rhetorical argument and
triggered painful memories of a dearly departed.



Seriously!? While I have never committed the most heinous and vile crime you
accuse me of, as an LEO and EMS responder, I have seen more than my fair share
of domestic violence. I find your willingness to use such imagery as a comedic
prop, repugnant.



  
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  I believe that was a rhetorical question meant as an example to show that the
questions that were being asked were not really relevant when there is an even
bigger underlying problem that is not being addressed.

It’s also a trap question that can’t be answered without verifying (making true)
the tacit premise (asking about circumstances of something stopping implies the
something existed).
Did you stop eating snails?
— Yes ≫ Yuck! You ate snails.
— No ≫ Yuck! You’re still eating snails.


The fact your patently false statements, and lack of remorse, are endorsed by
TLG administration, is disconcerting, as well.

Fortunately, I am an extendedly tolerant man and personally unfazed by such attacks,
I only bother to address this matter because you both have offended the honor
of a person I continue to hold in the highest regard, who never sinned against
either of you, and who didn't deserve to be disparaged. Your follies to falsely
hold out a kind and gentle soul, as a victim of a true social ill, only diminish
the voice of the real victims of abuse.

Shame on you both!

Please do not continue to include me in this. The fact that you are assuming
that I condoned the behavior is insulting and offensive to me.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 21:04
 Subject: Re: 88072 in Light Gray
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randyf (442)

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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this.

Honestly, I'm tempted to merge them. There is little reason for this part
to be split over an excessively confusing difference that requires no less than
three comparison images.

And, of course, a fairly snarky additional note that is clearly the result of
frustration over sellers just not getting the difference (and blaming them for
the problem that BrickLink created).

I strongly object to this resolution. As SylvainLS points out, they are functionally
different, and IMHO they are not interchangable, and both as a buyer or seller,
I would care about the variant (as I do today).

I think a better resolution would be to rename part 88072 to 4623b (and keep
part number 88072 secondary), then make 4623 "undetermined arm length" and create
a new part 4623a for the 6 mm variant.

/Jan

Well this totally went in a direction I wasn't expecting! Interesting discovery,
Jan!
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 21:02
 Subject: Re: Did horizontal become vertical & vice versa?
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randyf (442)

Location:  USA, Ohio
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In Catalog, Legoboy_II writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, Legoboy_II writes:
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  
When and why did you stop beating your wife?


I think you owe the Community a sincere apology for
such a personal and unwarranted attack against my
deceased wife, whom you didn't even know and had
absolutely no reason to drag into your argument.


I believe that was a rhetorical question meant as an example to show that the
questions that were being asked were not really relevant when there is an even
bigger underlying problem that is not being addressed.

I cannot believe you would defend such reprehensible behaviour... if that were
the point, there are less personal ways of making it.

Hold on now. I did not say that I was defending it or that I thought it was a
tactful example. I was just explaining what I *thought* they meant by it.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 20:42
 Subject: Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink
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In Colors, WoutR writes:
  I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
but in preparation here is a photo of some pink parts.

The parts on the left are LEGO Light Reddish Violet. The parts on the
right are LEGO Rose. Both are called pink on BrickLink.

Rose is commonly called "Paradisa Pink" and is often sold as "Light Pink" on
BrickLink.


I am not sure if BrickLink's Light Pink actually exist. I suspect many are
misidentified.

I recently found a rare 9290-1 for sale. I took the band off myself, so I'm
reasonably sure there was no UV damage, but I can't speak for say temperature
or humidity or anything else. The set is 24 years old.

I didn't notice any problem as I prepared the inventory and sorted the set
out in my kitchen and living room. But when I got it ready to sell the pieces,
in my stockroom with bright white light, I found the white pieces all off-white.
They aren't terrible, you know? I've seen way worse. But they were
not factory white. So I have given them all to my daughters. But none of the
other colors seemed bad until I was consolidating pieces that I already had in
my inventory. This pic shows what I found. Maybe the pink is damaged, but I
just wondered if maybe it wasn't. If 5890 and 9290 come with different old
pinks, then I want to keep one of each for reference. And I have enough to prepare
3 more reference sets for other people. I take some hope from the fact that
the ones in 9290 seem lighter. I'm not sure what a yellowed old pink piece
would look like, but I would expect it to get darker rather than lighter.
 
 Author: Legoboy_II View Messages Posted By Legoboy_II
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 20:29
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:

When and why did you stop beating your wife?

  
  In Catalog, Legoboy_II writes:
I think you owe the Community a sincere apology for
such a personal and unwarranted attack against my
deceased wife, whom you didn't even know and had
absolutely no reason to drag into your argument.


I’m not sure this is serious due to the way it’s worded but if I owe an apology,
I’d sincerely apologize to you, your wife’s memory, and her family and friends
for having mentioned an hypothetical wife of yours in a rhetorical argument and
triggered painful memories of a dearly departed.



Seriously!? While I have never committed the most heinous and vile crime you
accuse me of, as an LEO and EMS responder, I have seen more than my fair share
of domestic violence. I find your willingness to use such imagery as a comedic
prop, repugnant.



  
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  I believe that was a rhetorical question meant as an example to show that the
questions that were being asked were not really relevant when there is an even
bigger underlying problem that is not being addressed.

It’s also a trap question that can’t be answered without verifying (making true)
the tacit premise (asking about circumstances of something stopping implies the
something existed).
Did you stop eating snails?
— Yes ≫ Yuck! You ate snails.
— No ≫ Yuck! You’re still eating snails.


The fact your patently false statements, and lack of remorse, are endorsed by
TLG administration, is disconcerting, as well.

Fortunately, I am an extendedly tolerant man and personally unfazed by such attacks,
I only bother to address this matter because you both have offended the honor
of a person I continue to hold in the highest regard, who never sinned against
either of you, and who didn't deserve to be disparaged. Your follies to falsely
hold out a kind and gentle soul, as a victim of a true social ill, only diminish
the voice of the real victims of abuse.

Shame on you both!
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 19:36
 Subject: Re: 88072 in Light Gray
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SylvainLS (46)

Location:  France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  […]
Ah, I remember having trouble identifying the variants I had when I got out of
my Dark Ages. I thought I was holding them wrong and trusted the catalogue(s)


As with all my old parts, the “Antiques” (pre-Dark Ages) are stored separately.
So, I have 3 Black and 1 LG SHORT 4623 (and 3 Black and 2 White long ones).

They come from
 
Set No: 6080  Name: King's Castle
* 
6080-1 (Inv) King's Castle
627 Parts, 12 Minifigures, 1984
Sets: Castle: Lion Knights
 
Set No: 6379  Name: Riding Stable
* 
6379-1 (Inv) Riding Stable
265 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1986
Sets: Town: Classic Town: Building
 
Set No: 6990  Name: Futuron Monorail Transport System
* 
6990-1 (Inv) Futuron Monorail Transport System
692 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 1987
Sets: Space: Futuron
 
Set No: 6010  Name: Supply Wagon
* 
6010-1 (Inv) Supply Wagon
31 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1984
Sets: Castle: Lion Knights
 
Set No: 6011  Name: Black Knight's Treasure
* 
6011-1 (Inv) Black Knight's Treasure
22 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1985
Sets: Castle: Black Falcons
 
Set No: 6022  Name: Horse Cart
* 
6022-1 (Inv) Horse Cart
33 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1984
Sets: Castle: Lion Knights

Yes, one Black is missing, I have to hunt it down.

Found it. And he’s a shorty.
So, 4 short, 3 long in Black. That may mean 6011 was a long. Or it might not.
 Author: normann1974 View Messages Posted By normann1974
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 19:34
 Subject: Re: 88072 in Light Gray
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normann1974 (2291)

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this.

Honestly, I'm tempted to merge them. There is little reason for this part
to be split over an excessively confusing difference that requires no less than
three comparison images.

And, of course, a fairly snarky additional note that is clearly the result of
frustration over sellers just not getting the difference (and blaming them for
the problem that BrickLink created).

I strongly object to this resolution. As SylvainLS points out, they are functionally
different, and IMHO they are not interchangable, and both as a buyer or seller,
I would care about the variant (as I do today).

I think a better resolution would be to rename part 88072 to 4623b (and keep
part number 88072 secondary), then make 4623 "undetermined arm length" and create
a new part 4623a for the 6 mm variant.

/Jan
 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 19:25
 Subject: Re: 88072 in Light Gray
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62Bricks (1455)

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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this.

Honestly, I'm tempted to merge them. There is little reason for this part
to be split over an excessively confusing difference that requires no less than
three comparison images.

But but but, they are functionnaly different!


Merging the entries will of course rid the admins of any more problems, but only
by handing them off to the users.

The parts are not always interchangeable. The assembly below from set 6398, for
example, requires the 6mm version. Elsewhere in the set, a white one is used
as a hook for a helmet. It is possible to use the 5mm version for that one, but
the helmet has to be pushed into place and it stresses the parts.
 
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
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SylvainLS (46)

Location:  France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this.

Honestly, I'm tempted to merge them. There is little reason for this part
to be split over an excessively confusing difference that requires no less than
three comparison images.

But but but, they are functionnaly different!


  And, of course, a fairly snarky additional note that is clearly the result of
frustration over sellers just not getting the difference (and blaming them for
the problem that BrickLink created).
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 19:08
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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  
  I have several light gray with the shorter arm. They are light gray, not yellowed
LBG, and they are marked 4623.

Ouch, I just checked all 5mm versions that I currently have for sale. I found
one blue and about half of my black ones (13) bearing mold number 4623. I can
therefore conclude that mold number 4623 was used for both versions of this part
(I have checked the 6mm versions also, they also bear this number).

I ought to have seen this already this a month ago when I was double-checking
the contents of my childhood sets. Those sets have been mixed together, but for
my mid-80's castle sets, I was wondering why all of them had 5 mm versions
when the inventories stated they had to be 6 mm. Not a single 6 mm found among
those sets. So I replaced the parts with 6 mm versions believing this was the
right thing to do. But now I know why I didn't find the 6 mm art in them.
The 5 mm version was apparently already in use during the 80's with the same
mold number.

The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this. Sorry to be the messenger.

Ah, I remember having trouble identifying the variants I had when I got out of
my Dark Ages. I thought I was holding them wrong and trusted the catalogue(s)


As with all my old parts, the “Antiques” (pre-Dark Ages) are stored separately.
So, I have 3 Black and 1 LG SHORT 4623 (and 3 Black and 2 White long ones).

They come from
 
Set No: 6080  Name: King's Castle
* 
6080-1 (Inv) King's Castle
627 Parts, 12 Minifigures, 1984
Sets: Castle: Lion Knights
 
Set No: 6379  Name: Riding Stable
* 
6379-1 (Inv) Riding Stable
265 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1986
Sets: Town: Classic Town: Building
 
Set No: 6990  Name: Futuron Monorail Transport System
* 
6990-1 (Inv) Futuron Monorail Transport System
692 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 1987
Sets: Space: Futuron
 
Set No: 6010  Name: Supply Wagon
* 
6010-1 (Inv) Supply Wagon
31 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1984
Sets: Castle: Lion Knights
 
Set No: 6011  Name: Black Knight's Treasure
* 
6011-1 (Inv) Black Knight's Treasure
22 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1985
Sets: Castle: Black Falcons
 
Set No: 6022  Name: Horse Cart
* 
6022-1 (Inv) Horse Cart
33 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1984
Sets: Castle: Lion Knights

Yes, one Black is missing, I have to hunt it down.
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 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 19:03
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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this.

Honestly, I'm tempted to merge them. There is little reason for this part
to be split over an excessively confusing difference that requires no less than
three comparison images.

And, of course, a fairly snarky additional note that is clearly the result of
frustration over sellers just not getting the difference (and blaming them for
the problem that BrickLink created).
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  I have several light gray with the shorter arm. They are light gray, not yellowed
LBG, and they are marked 4623.

Ouch, I just checked all 5mm versions that I currently have for sale. I found
one blue and about half of my black ones (13) bearing mold number 4623. I can
therefore conclude that mold number 4623 was used for both versions of this part
(I have checked the 6mm versions also, they also bear this number).

I ought to have seen this already this a month ago when I was double-checking
the contents of my childhood sets. Those sets have been mixed together, but for
my mid-80's castle sets, I was wondering why all of them had 5 mm versions
when the inventories stated they had to be 6 mm. Not a single 6 mm found among
those sets. So I replaced the parts with 6 mm versions believing this was the
right thing to do. But now I know why I didn't find the 6 mm art in them.
The 5 mm version was apparently already in use during the 80's with the same
mold number.

The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this. Sorry to be the messenger.

/Jan
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, Legoboy_II writes:
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  
When and why did you stop beating your wife?


I think you owe the Community a sincere apology for
such a personal and unwarranted attack against my
deceased wife, whom you didn't even know and had
absolutely no reason to drag into your argument.


I’m not sure this is serious due to the way it’s worded but if I owe an apology,
I’d sincerely apologize to you, your wife’s memory, and her family and friends
for having mentioned an hypothetical wife of yours in a rhetorical argument and
triggered painful memories of a dearly departed.


  I believe that was a rhetorical question meant as an example to show that the
questions that were being asked were not really relevant when there is an even
bigger underlying problem that is not being addressed.

It’s also a trap question that can’t be answered without verifying (making true)
the tacit premise (asking about circumstances of something stopping implies the
something existed).
Did you stop eating snails?
— Yes ≫ Yuck! You ate snails.
— No ≫ Yuck! You’re still eating snails.
 Author: electricbaer View Messages Posted By electricbaer
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 16:48
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 7245  Name: Prisoner Transport - Black/Green Sticker Version
* 
7245-1 (Inv) Prisoner Transport - Black/Green Sticker Version
92 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2005
Sets: Town: City: Police

* Add 1 Part BA104pb01 White Stickered Assembly 2 x 6 x 1 with 'POLICE' on Black Background Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7245 - 2 Slopes 45 2 x 3 (Counterpart)
 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
 Posted: Jun 7, 2020 16:45
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.

Gots to be honest with you, I'm still wondering. Can you post an image of
the two parts attached side by side on a 1 x 4 plate (any color)?

Just want to be certain since this part was released (according to our timeline)
five years after the LBG colour change.

In my opinion, the additional notes are not best used to admonish sellers in
a patronizing and condescending tone.
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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  
  I can see a bit of light bluish gray around the base of one of the studs on the
part you are saying is light gray. I believe you have a damaged light bluish
gray part that has been yellowed. I find it *very* hard to believe that this
mold would have been used to make parts in a color that had been retired for
*years* before the mold was ever even manufactured.

I am not convinced that there is any LBG on this part. I have checked under magnifyning
glass, it has to be some lighting issue. The color is the same on all sides,
even inside. What's even stranger: I've just seen (in the magnifying
glass), that the mold number says 4623, but it's not a 6 mm arm, it's
5 mm (see another attached image).

Could this be a prototype of the upcoming 5 mm change back in the days?

/Jan

I have several light gray with the shorter arm. They are light gray, not yellowed
LBG, and they are marked 4623.
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, Legoboy_II writes:
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  
When and why did you stop beating your wife?


I think you owe the Community a sincere apology for
such a personal and unwarranted attack against my
deceased wife, whom you didn't even know and had
absolutely no reason to drag into your argument.


I believe that was a rhetorical question meant as an example to show that the
questions that were being asked were not really relevant when there is an even
bigger underlying problem that is not being addressed.

I cannot believe you would defend such reprehensible behaviour... if that were
the point, there are less personal ways of making it.
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  I can see a bit of light bluish gray around the base of one of the studs on the
part you are saying is light gray. I believe you have a damaged light bluish
gray part that has been yellowed. I find it *very* hard to believe that this
mold would have been used to make parts in a color that had been retired for
*years* before the mold was ever even manufactured.

I am not convinced that there is any LBG on this part. I have checked under magnifyning
glass, it has to be some lighting issue. The color is the same on all sides,
even inside. What's even stranger: I've just seen (in the magnifying
glass), that the mold number says 4623, but it's not a 6 mm arm, it's
5 mm (see another attached image).

Could this be a prototype of the upcoming 5 mm change back in the days?

/Jan
 
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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.

Gots to be honest with you, I'm still wondering. Can you post an image of
the two parts attached side by side on a 1 x 4 plate (any color)?

Just want to be certain since this part was released (according to our timeline)
five years after the LBG colour change.

Certainly. But a 1x4 plate? What does that accomplish, and from which angle do
you want it?

/Jan

I can see a bit of light bluish gray around the base of one of the studs on the
part you are saying is light gray. I believe you have a damaged light bluish
gray part that has been yellowed. I find it *very* hard to believe that this
mold would have been used to make parts in a color that had been retired for
*years* before the mold was ever even manufactured.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.

Gots to be honest with you, I'm still wondering. Can you post an image of
the two parts attached side by side on a 1 x 4 plate (any color)?

Just want to be certain since this part was released (according to our timeline)
five years after the LBG colour change.

Certainly. But a 1x4 plate? What does that accomplish, and from which angle do
you want it?

/Jan
 


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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.

Gots to be honest with you, I'm still wondering. Can you post an image of
the two parts attached side by side on a 1 x 4 plate (any color)?

Just want to be certain since this part was released (according to our timeline)
five years after the LBG colour change.
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In Catalog, Legoboy_II writes:
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  
When and why did you stop beating your wife?


I think you owe the Community a sincere apology for
such a personal and unwarranted attack against my
deceased wife, whom you didn't even know and had
absolutely no reason to drag into your argument.


I believe that was a rhetorical question meant as an example to show that the
questions that were being asked were not really relevant when there is an even
bigger underlying problem that is not being addressed.
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Part No: 4623  Name: Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Undetermined Type)
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4623 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Undetermined Type)
Parts: Plate, Modified
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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.

/Jan

No, it's 88072 as stated. The handle is centered between the studs (see the
base as the perspective warps the image).

/Jan
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Is this part

 
Part No: 4623  Name: Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Undetermined Type)
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4623 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Undetermined Type)
Parts: Plate, Modified
?

In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  
When and why did you stop beating your wife?


I think you owe the Community a sincere apology for
such a personal and unwarranted attack against my
deceased wife, whom you didn't even know and had
absolutely no reason to drag into your argument.
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I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.

/Jan
 


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I'm not sure how easy it would be to implement, but it would be helpful if
any part variation notes were present for an un-decorated part, were also shown/propagated
to the catalogue entry for decorated parts, especially in cases where those differences
can cause issues when parts are used in MOCs
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In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  […]
  
  I did notice that very recently the names were changed again. And for the better,
they have included the word 'grip'in the description.

No, “grip” isn’t in the description.

I mean, “grip” wasn’t in the descriptions as of a few days ago, when you started
this thread. So it’s not part of the change you think occured, it’s a consequence
of this thread.


  […]
Regardless of the history of the nomenclature, it is confusing and is not based
on describing the shape of the part itself. It is based on one attribute of a
part it may attach to.

Yes. The only clip-like part for which “vertical/horizontal” as used here could
make sense is the minifig hand (because of the already established meaning of
“vertical/horizontal” for human hands). And that part isn’t described as a clip
nor has “clip” nor any orientation in its description….


  […]
It was a short-sighted initial decision and it has unfortunately been perpetuated.

Yes.
And it’s a difficult decision to correct now, as there isn’t any other pair than
vertical/horizontal (that I know of) to describe the difference between the clips.
The only way would be to swap the meanings of vertical and horizontal, creating
confusion.
(Hence the latest change from “clip vertical” to “clip (vertical grip).”)
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, Northwinds writes:
  
  

Which are both irrelevant questions because the names didn’t change.


With al due respect but how can you be so sure?

I've been selling here since 2000.
My inventory boxes carry the stickers with the old names since that date,

[P=30241b]

That part appeared in 2008/2009.


   these
names were changed sometime in the past 20 years, I only did not notice
this until just a few months ago.

Peeron’s name (60475): Brick 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical
Peeron hasn’t been updated since 2011. (They have only one variant. 30241 is
just appearing in notes in 60475’s list of sets.)

LDraw’s names:
  (60475a): Brick 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical (Thick C-Clip) and Solid Stud
  (60475b): Brick 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical (Thick C-Clip) and Hollow Stud

Rebrickable:
  (60475a): Brick Special 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical [Thick U Clip, Solid Stud]
  (60475b): Brick Special 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical [Open O Clip, Hollow Stud]

Same motive, same punition with BrickOwl.

They all agree on what “vertical” means for this part.
They all agree on what “vertical” means for all the parts with clips.

As the part is “recent” (2008/2009), it’s not on lugnet (which died in 2002),
but lugnet agrees with everybody else on what “vertical” means for parts with
clips.

There’s no traces whatsoever of a change of names.

Those are facts, not memories.


On your side, you’re saying they all changed their names together, without leaving
any trace but your labels, twice!
What are the chances you made a mistake with your labels instead?


  I did notice that very recently the names were changed again. And for the better,
they have included the word 'grip'in the description.

No, “grip” isn’t in the description.

Perhaps the OP simply set up their labels in a way that makes sense by describing
the part itself rather than how it is sometimes used, and his error is that he
assumed the rest of the Lego community would also follow common sense.

The way Lego describes these parts is more accurate and does not rely on defining
it by a particular usage. It is the "describe it by its use and not its shape"
philosophy that created the widely inconsistent Bricklink categories. Clips are
not always used as clips. Sometimes they are used merely as decoration. And when
they are used as clips, the parts held by them are not necessarily oriented in
a certain way. The clips are designed to allow for movement and are often used
as hinge parts, allowing the attached part to move from horizontal to vertical
around the attachment point.

Regardless of the history of the nomenclature, it is confusing and is not based
on describing the shape of the part itself. It is based on one attribute of a
part it may attach to. The bar on the other part may be oriented horizontally
or vertically relative to the part, so the full part with the bar may be oriented
opposite to the name of the clip.

Attach

 
Part No: 30236  Name: Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Handle on Side
* 
30236 Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Handle on Side
Parts: Brick, Modified

to a "vertical" clip and it will be oriented horizontally. Sideways.

It was a short-sighted initial decision and it has unfortunately been perpetuated.
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In Catalog, Northwinds writes:
  
  

Which are both irrelevant questions because the names didn’t change.


With al due respect but how can you be so sure?

I've been selling here since 2000.
My inventory boxes carry the stickers with the old names since that date,

[P=30241b]

That part appeared in 2008/2009.


   these
names were changed sometime in the past 20 years, I only did not notice
this until just a few months ago.

Peeron’s name (60475): Brick 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical
Peeron hasn’t been updated since 2011. (They have only one variant. 30241 is
just appearing in notes in 60475’s list of sets.)

LDraw’s names:
  (60475a): Brick 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical (Thick C-Clip) and Solid Stud
  (60475b): Brick 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical (Thick C-Clip) and Hollow Stud

Rebrickable:
  (60475a): Brick Special 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical [Thick U Clip, Solid Stud]
  (60475b): Brick Special 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical [Open O Clip, Hollow Stud]

Same motive, same punition with BrickOwl.

They all agree on what “vertical” means for this part.
They all agree on what “vertical” means for all the parts with clips.

As the part is “recent” (2008/2009), it’s not on lugnet (which died in 2002),
but lugnet agrees with everybody else on what “vertical” means for parts with
clips.

There’s no traces whatsoever of a change of names.

Those are facts, not memories.


On your side, you’re saying they all changed their names together, without leaving
any trace but your labels, twice!
What are the chances you made a mistake with your labels instead?


  I did notice that very recently the names were changed again. And for the better,
they have included the word 'grip'in the description.

No, “grip” isn’t in the description.
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 2505  Name: Garmadon's Dark Fortress
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2505-1 (Inv) Garmadon's Dark Fortress
484 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2011
Sets: NINJAGO: The Golden Weapons

* Change 6 Part Black {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud, Jumper (Undetermined Bottom Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 8 Part Light Bluish Gray {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud, Jumper (Undetermined Bottom Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 2 Part Black {3684 Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 (Undetermined Stud Type) to 3684a Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Hollow Studs}

Comments from Submitter:
From disassembling and inventorying a previously built new set
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While these are the pictures from the 1981 Italian Catalogue 93.100-I.
 




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These are the pictures from the 1980 Italian Catalogue 106178/106278-EU III (Aus/I).
 




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Reza I believe that Service packs 1104-1 and 1104-2 should be merged too, I really
don't know why they have been divided so far (maybe because of the wire's
color, white for 1104-1, grey for 1104-2?). As a prove take a look at the pictures
of this other Service pack 1104-2: there is the double copyright 1977/82.
 






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In Inventories Requests, mudri writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 41068  Name: Arendelle Castle Celebration
* 
41068-1 (Inv) Arendelle Castle Celebration
453 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2016
Sets: Disney: Disney Princess: Frozen

* Change {1 to 2} Part Reddish Brown 87079pb716 Tile 2 x 4 with Reddish Brown and Gold Zigzag Pattern 1 (Sticker) - Set 41068 (Counterpart)

Didn't you read what I wrote here
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1202352
There are two diffrent stickers in this set with this Zigzag number 4 and 7.
They differ.

Request will be rejected.
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 41068  Name: Arendelle Castle Celebration
* 
41068-1 (Inv) Arendelle Castle Celebration
453 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2016
Sets: Disney: Disney Princess: Frozen

* Change {1 to 2} Part Reddish Brown 87079pb716 Tile 2 x 4 with Reddish Brown and Gold Zigzag Pattern 1 (Sticker) - Set 41068 (Counterpart)
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In Inventories Requests, mudri writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 41068  Name: Arendelle Castle Celebration
* 
41068-1 (Inv) Arendelle Castle Celebration
453 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2016
Sets: Disney: Disney Princess: Frozen

* Add 1 Part 4345pb08 White Container, Box 2 x 2 x 2 with Vintage Clock Pattern (Sticker) - Set 41068 (Counterpart)

I repeat Randy's request once again!
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1202268

"If you have a bunch of counterparts to add from the same set, could you please
consolidate them all into one request in the future? Posting one counterpart
per request clogs up the forum unnecessarily and makes our admin screens on the
back end much more disorganized."
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In Inventories Requests, mudri writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 41068  Name: Arendelle Castle Celebration
* 
41068-1 (Inv) Arendelle Castle Celebration
453 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2016
Sets: Disney: Disney Princess: Frozen

* Add 2 Part 87079pb716 Reddish Brown Tile 2 x 4 with Reddish Brown and Gold Zigzag Pattern 1 (Sticker) - Set 41068 (Counterpart)

There is only one tile with this pattern in this set. Your submitted sticker
nr 4 from sticker sheet
 
Part No: 41068stk01  Name: Sticker Sheet for Set 41068 - (25649/6142053)
* 
41068stk01 Sticker Sheet for Set 41068 - (25649/6142053)
Parts: Sticker Sheet
please notice that sticker number 7 differs. Middle gold Zigzag is moved closer
to the edge on sticker 4 and it is more centered on sticker number 7, so triangels
on one of those sticker are smaller. That is why I've name ii 'Pattern
1' and there is a note made for this part that it is number 4 sticker.

Request will be accepted but quantity change to 1.
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Set No: 41068  Name: Arendelle Castle Celebration
* 
41068-1 (Inv) Arendelle Castle Celebration
453 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2016
Sets: Disney: Disney Princess: Frozen

* Add 1 Part 4345pb08 White Container, Box 2 x 2 x 2 with Vintage Clock Pattern (Sticker) - Set 41068 (Counterpart)
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Set No: 41068  Name: Arendelle Castle Celebration
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41068-1 (Inv) Arendelle Castle Celebration
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Sets: Disney: Disney Princess: Frozen

* Add 1 Part 63864pb107R Reddish Brown Tile 1 x 3 with Reddish Brown and Gold Stripes Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 41068 (Counterpart)
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Set No: 41068  Name: Arendelle Castle Celebration
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41068-1 (Inv) Arendelle Castle Celebration
453 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2016
Sets: Disney: Disney Princess: Frozen

* Add 1 Part 63864pb107L Reddish Brown Tile 1 x 3 with Reddish Brown and Gold Stripes Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 41068 (Counterpart)
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Set No: 41068  Name: Arendelle Castle Celebration
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41068-1 (Inv) Arendelle Castle Celebration
453 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2016
Sets: Disney: Disney Princess: Frozen

* Add 2 Part 87079pb716 Reddish Brown Tile 2 x 4 with Reddish Brown and Gold Zigzag Pattern 1 (Sticker) - Set 41068 (Counterpart)
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Set No: 8117  Name: Storm Lasher
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8117-1 (Inv) Storm Lasher
275 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 2008
Sets: Exo-Force

* Add 1 Part 3068bpb1333 Black Tile 2 x 2 with Groove with Yellow Circle and Silver Circuitry Pattern (Sticker) - Set 8117 (Counterpart)
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In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:
  Here is the picture of a sealed Service pack including the requested wires.

The problem is this
[s=1104-2]

I think they should be merged.

There is a mess in the catalog in regard to service packs 1977-80
Actually, is there any catalog from 1977, 1978 or 1979 including some service
packs with numbers like 1104,....
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Here is the picture of a sealed Service pack including the requested wires.
 
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 1104  Name: 4.5V Motor Battery Cables, 14 and 94 Studs (10 and 75cm) Long
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1104-1 (Inv) 4.5V Motor Battery Cables, 14 and 94 Studs (10 and 75cm) Long
2 Parts, 1977
Sets: Service Packs

* Add 1 Part 765c14 White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 14 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Add 1 Part 765c96 White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long (Alternate) (match ID 2)

Comments from Submitter:
These wires were included in some releases of that Service pack too. I'm going to add a picture of a sealed set coming with them.
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Here is the picture of a sealed Service pack including the requested wires.
 
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 1104  Name: 4.5V Motor Battery Cables, 14 and 94 Studs (10 and 75cm) Long
* 
1104-1 (Inv) 4.5V Motor Battery Cables, 14 and 94 Studs (10 and 75cm) Long
2 Parts, 1977
Sets: Service Packs

* Add 1 Part bb0081c14 White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 14 Studs Long with 2 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Squared Narrow Long without Center Post (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Add 1 Part bb0081c96 White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two 2-prong connectors without middle pin, 96 Studs Long (Alternate) (match ID 2)
* Change 1 Part White bb0141ac14 Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 14 Studs Long with 2 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Narrow Type 1 with Cross-Cut Pins {match ID 0 to 1}
* Change 1 Part White bb0141ac96 Electric, Wire 4.5V with two light gray 2-prong Type 1 connectors, 96 Studs Long {match ID 0 to 2}

Comments from Submitter:
These alternate parts were included in later releases of that Service pack. I'm going to add a picture of a sealed one.
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Which are both irrelevant questions because the names didn’t change.


With al due respect but how can you be so sure?
I've been selling here since 2000.
My inventory boxes carry the stickers with the old names since that date, these
names were changed sometime in the past 20 years, I only did not notice
this until just a few months ago.

I did notice that very recently the names were changed again. And for the better,
they have included the word 'grip'in the description.

Peter
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 80013  Name: Monkie Kid's Team Secret HQ
* 
80013-1 (Inv) Monkie Kid's Team Secret HQ
1898 Parts, 8 Minifigures, 2020
Sets: Monkie Kid

* Add 1 Part 87747 Black Barb / Claw / Horn - Large (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 18041 Black Minifigure, Weapon Harpoon, Smooth Shaft (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 37695 Bright Green Plant Stem with 3 Leaves and Bottom Pin (Extra)

Comments from Submitter:
From sealed set contents.