Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies Author: | pgremeau | Posted: | Jan 7, 2022 19:57 | Subject: | Re: New color | Viewed: | 60 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| Hello everyone,
2022 release:
- LEGO "Vibrant Yellow" was added as BrickLink "Neon Yellow"
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Totally agree!
But now, regular Yellow looks Orange, slightly lighter than BLO...
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Author: | waltzking | Posted: | Jan 7, 2022 18:56 | Subject: | Re: New color | Viewed: | 50 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Thanks for all the clarification! |
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Author: | Admin_Russell | Posted: | Jan 7, 2022 18:53 | Subject: | New color | Viewed: | 220 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| Hello everyone,
Apologies for the canceled post about colors the other day. We got our wires
crossed behind the scenes and in the effort to get a new color ready for use,
there was some miscommunication.
We have released a new color, Neon Yellow. The official LEGO name is Vibrant
Yellow (368):
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?utm_content=subnav
There has been much discussion recently around the subject of color, specifically
how official LEGO color names relate to BrickLink color names. To explain a little
of why and how these differences happen, here are some examples of new colors
entering the marketplace:
2011/2012 releases:
- LEGO "Dark Azur" was added as BrickLink "Dark Azure" (name adjusted for English
language spelling)
- LEGO "Medium Azur" was added as BrickLink "Medium Azure" (name adjusted for
English language spelling)
- LEGO "Aqua" was added as BrickLink "Light Aqua" (named adjusted because BrickLink
already had an "Aqua" and this was lighter than that color)
- LEGO "Medium Lavender" was added as BrickLink "Medium Lavender" (no change)
- LEGO "Lavender" was added as BrickLink "Lavender" (no change)
- LEGO "Spring Yellowish Green" was added as BrickLink "Yellowish Green" ("Spring"
was removed for simplicity)
- LEGO "Olive Green" was added as BrickLink "Olive Green" (no change)
2019 release:
- LEGO "Vibrant Coral" was added as BrickLink "Coral"
In 2020, the "Opal" series of colors started to be released. These were called
"Satin" colors on BrickLink. 2020 also saw the replacement of the keyword "Flesh"
with "Nougat".
2022 release:
- LEGO "Vibrant Yellow" was added as BrickLink "Neon Yellow"
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General principles for naming new BrickLink colors:
1. When possible, the official LEGO color name is adopted as the BrickLink color
name.
2. Spellings are changed to BrickLink conventions, i.e. American English.
3. Extra keywords are removed (e.g. there is no need for a modifier in front
of "Coral").
4. Care is taken to relate the new color name to other BrickLink names of similar
colors.
5. Non color-specific adjectives are replaced with more concrete terms, i.e.
Stone = Bluish
6. Everyday color names often replace more exotic names: Medium Lilac = Dark
Purple.
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Author: | jennnifer | Posted: | Jan 7, 2022 13:38 | Subject: | Re: Vented Stud Release Years | Viewed: | 43 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Bricklanta writes:
Year of Release is tied to what inventories a part appears in. The vented stud
is listed as an alternate in a set that has been in production since 2013. The
data is not an indication of actual LEGO production.
Jen
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Author: | SurplusParts | Posted: | Jan 4, 2022 18:41 | Subject: | Re: how to add details on an instruction booklet | Viewed: | 31 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| In Catalog, SurplusParts writes:
| I want to add the weight and size of an instruction booklet into the catalogue.
On the "Add or Change" there is nothing listed as instructions to where i can
do this.
Where do it do it?
Cheers
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Its under the set change request:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogReq.asp?itemType=S
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Ahh, yes, thanks very much.
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Author: | Stellar | Posted: | Jan 4, 2022 18:39 | Subject: | Re: how to add details on an instruction booklet | Viewed: | 22 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SurplusParts writes:
| I want to add the weight and size of an instruction booklet into the catalogue.
On the "Add or Change" there is nothing listed as instructions to where i can
do this.
Where do it do it?
Cheers
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Its under the set change request:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogReq.asp?itemType=S
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Author: | SurplusParts | Posted: | Jan 4, 2022 18:34 | Subject: | how to add details on an instruction booklet | Viewed: | 73 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| I want to add the weight and size of an instruction booklet into the catalogue.
On the "Add or Change" there is nothing listed as instructions to where i can
do this.
Where do it do it?
Cheers
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Author: | peregrinator | Posted: | Jan 4, 2022 07:03 | Subject: | Re: Please add release of year for sh793 | Viewed: | 36 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog Requests, Alywin.HK writes:
| Release of year should be 2022
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I think that gets filled in automatically when a minifigure becomes part of a
set's inventory.
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Author: | Stellar | Posted: | Jan 4, 2022 04:53 | Subject: | Re: Please add release of year for sh793 | Viewed: | 34 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog Requests, Alywin.HK writes:
| Release of year should be 2022
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Items in the catalog get the year automatically from the inventores they are
in.
Once this one is added to the set it comes from it will show up.
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Author: | Alywin.HK | Posted: | Jan 4, 2022 04:01 | Subject: | Please add release of year for sh793 | Viewed: | 61 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| Release of year should be 2022 |
Author: | pikachu3 | Posted: | Jan 3, 2022 11:16 | Subject: | Re: Vibreon Yellow | Viewed: | 83 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| Curious - why is this thread cancelled? Is this because the new color will no
longer be added? Was this news not meant to be published?
Niek.
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‘Vibrant Coral’ is now ‘Coral’ again and ‘Vibrant Yellow’ is now ‘Neon Yellow’.
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Ah. Would be great if there were a new thread from the BL catalog team, especially
with the other color info from the last decade that has been scrubbed with this
thread cancellation.
Niek.
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Yes, please create a new announcement post once you settle on a name, @admins
Ryan
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Author: | Poncke | Posted: | Jan 3, 2022 08:32 | Subject: | Re: Question about Town theme | Viewed: | 43 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Thanks Randy |
Author: | Alico64 | Posted: | Jan 3, 2022 07:24 | Subject: | Re: No price guide | Viewed: | 31 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| In Catalog, Alico64 writes:
| In Catalog, cupcakegirl writes:
| It means that no one has sold that item in the last 6 months.
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But is this preferred? The price guide doesn't only show what has been sold,
but also what's currently for sale. For buyers, this might not necessarily
be important, but for sellers, this could be a strategic tool.
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I believe it also depends on your buying filter about location: they are for
sale but you don’t want to see them, so they are not shown
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That makes sense, I guess there were no sellers in the area I am comparing my
pricing against. Thanks!
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Author: | Fabio.borrello | Posted: | Jan 3, 2022 07:15 | Subject: | Istruzioni per leggere e capire il catalogo | Viewed: | 31 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| Buongiorno, sono nuovo del forum.
Mi sto avvicinando nuovamente al fantastico mondo dei lego, ma vorrei capire
come leggere bene il catalogo, dove trovare le informazioni relative al valore
del pezzo (o set) nuovo, il valore dell'usato e la sua rarità eventualmente.
Grazie a tutti per la disponibilità.
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Author: | qwertyboy | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 17:51 | Subject: | Re: (Cancelled) | Viewed: | 81 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| Curious - why is this thread cancelled? Is this because the new color will no
longer be added? Was this news not meant to be published?
Niek.
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‘Vibrant Coral’ is now ‘Coral’ again and ‘Vibrant Yellow’ is now ‘Neon Yellow’.
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Ah. Would be great if there were a new thread from the BL catalog team, especially
with the other color info from the last decade that has been scrubbed with this
thread cancellation.
Niek.
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Author: | here4bricks614 | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 17:31 | Subject: | Re: (Cancelled) | Viewed: | 69 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| Curious - why is this thread cancelled? Is this because the new color will no
longer be added? Was this news not meant to be published?
Niek.
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‘Vibrant Coral’ is now ‘Coral’ again and ‘Vibrant Yellow’ is now ‘Neon Yellow’.
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Author: | qwertyboy | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 16:17 | Subject: | Re: (Cancelled) | Viewed: | 66 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Curious - why is this thread cancelled? Is this because the new color will no
longer be added? Was this news not meant to be published?
Niek.
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Author: | randyf | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 14:46 | Subject: | Re: Question about Town theme | Viewed: | 52 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Poncke writes:
| I am a bit confused seeing Town as theme.
For example, I have these 3 sets, which are City Space Set#
3368 Space Center
3365 Space Moon Buggy
3367 Space Shuttle
Yet on BL they are categorised as
Town City Space Port Set#
This seems incorrect. The Town theme does not seem to exist in LEGO. The main
theme is City.
And Space Port is not a subtheme either.
Any feedback is appreciated.
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They are historical BrickLink classifications.
Vintage sets were not themed, so everything to do with a city was categorized
as "Town" on BrickLink. Once the "City" theme was named, it was created as a
subset of "Town" so that all sets related to a city could be found by the "Town"
category search.
"Space Port" is the category used on BrickLink to categorize things that relate
to space but are realistic and Earth-focused in origin. It is a BrickLink specific
subtheme.
For future information, BrickLink's classification system is different from
other sites.
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Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 13:26 | Subject: | Re: No price guide | Viewed: | 43 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Alico64 writes:
| In Catalog, cupcakegirl writes:
| It means that no one has sold that item in the last 6 months.
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But is this preferred? The price guide doesn't only show what has been sold,
but also what's currently for sale. For buyers, this might not necessarily
be important, but for sellers, this could be a strategic tool.
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I believe it also depends on your buying filter about location: they are for
sale but you don’t want to see them, so they are not shown
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Author: | Alico64 | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 12:40 | Subject: | Re: No price guide | Viewed: | 41 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, cupcakegirl writes:
| It means that no one has sold that item in the last 6 months.
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But is this preferred? The price guide doesn't only show what has been sold,
but also what's currently for sale. For buyers, this might not necessarily
be important, but for sellers, this could be a strategic tool.
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Author: | Poncke | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 12:32 | Subject: | Question about Town theme | Viewed: | 96 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| I am a bit confused seeing Town as theme.
For example, I have these 3 sets, which are City Space Set#
3368 Space Center
3365 Space Moon Buggy
3367 Space Shuttle
Yet on BL they are categorised as
Town City Space Port Set#
This seems incorrect. The Town theme does not seem to exist in LEGO. The main
theme is City.
And Space Port is not a subtheme either.
Any feedback is appreciated.
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Author: | cupcakegirl | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 11:46 | Subject: | Re: No price guide | Viewed: | 45 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| It means that no one has sold that item in the last 6 months. |
Author: | Alico64 | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 11:06 | Subject: | No price guide | Viewed: | 86 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| Occasionally, I run into items that don't have a price guide tab, but only
Items for sale and Color Info. What does it mean if this is missing? Is this
an indication that the item has never been sold, or is there a min. amount of
sales that should take place, before this is added?
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Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 04:38 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 34 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | There needs to be an indicator of the piece "slope" degree, even if not accurate,
but it serves to know which ones share the same angle.
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IMO there does not... Slope 2 x 1 or Slope 3 x 1 says it all. No confusion about
the 45 or 33 (which is incorrect anyway).
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So how about you ignore them, and other people that want to use them to identify
parts that naturally fit together can use them. I find there are many keywords
added to descriptions that I never use and are therefore superfluous (at least
to my way of searching).
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In all my 50 years of playing, collecting, buying, selling and talking about
lego slopes I never ever had the need of something like a 45 degree roof or 33
degree rampage I just wanted to built a good looking roof .
So I never gave it any thought or attention, indeed just ignoring it most
of the time. The one time it is practical is when sorting the slopes online to
find all the ones alike.
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And that is the point of the label, knowing which ones work together.
For example, [p=3046a]
No doubt you can come up with dimensions to code up the system that will be the
same as regular slopes, but the two character "45" (3 if you include a space)
is much more efficient. It doesn't matter what the exact angle is, just like
it doesn't matter if all the torsos with "ascot" have true ascot ties, or
neckerchiefs, or cravats, or whatever someone wants to call them. Learning it
is called an ascot here finds them all, so long as the term is used consistently.
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Author: | popsicle | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 03:23 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 48 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, M_R writes:
| In Catalog, popsicle writes:
| In Catalog, popsicle writes:
| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.
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I agree to a certain point but if we would get rid of the angles, then we would
need the height for some slopes. Not sure what would be best though.
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Yes. Where needed, replace given angle with the missing dimension.
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Giving more perspective to the slope
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This really is a slippery slope topic !
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A topic with various angles and no right angles
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Author: | M_R | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 01:36 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 38 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, popsicle writes:
| In Catalog, popsicle writes:
| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.
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I agree to a certain point but if we would get rid of the angles, then we would
need the height for some slopes. Not sure what would be best though.
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Yes. Where needed, replace given angle with the missing dimension.
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Giving more perspective to the slope
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This really is a slippery slope topic !
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Author: | BeatBreakBricks | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 00:48 | Subject: | Re: Target items | Viewed: | 48 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Thanks for that.
There was a large range of clothing/gear/notepads etc released as an exclusive
Target / Lego line in December.
In Catalog, popsicle writes:
| In Catalog, BeatBreakBricks writes:
| Hi there
New to the forum.
Does anyone know if items from the Target exclusive range will be uploaded to
the catalog?
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Not sure what is meant by "Target exclusive range" but here are Co-branded items:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?promoCatID=209
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Author: | BeatBreakBricks | Posted: | Jan 2, 2022 00:44 | Subject: | Re: Target items | Viewed: | 31 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Alright awesome! Perhaps I can help with the other colours?
In Catalog, tEoS writes:
| I am working on adding the white spaceman plush to the catalog.
In Catalog, BeatBreakBricks writes:
| Hi there
New to the forum.
Does anyone know if items from the Target exclusive range will be uploaded to
the catalog?
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Author: | tEoS | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 21:35 | Subject: | Re: Target items | Viewed: | 57 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I am working on adding the white spaceman plush to the catalog.
In Catalog, BeatBreakBricks writes:
| Hi there
New to the forum.
Does anyone know if items from the Target exclusive range will be uploaded to
the catalog?
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Author: | popsicle | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 20:43 | Subject: | Re: Target items | Viewed: | 51 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BeatBreakBricks writes:
| Hi there
New to the forum.
Does anyone know if items from the Target exclusive range will be uploaded to
the catalog?
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Not sure what is meant by "Target exclusive range" but here are Co-branded items:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?promoCatID=209
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Author: | Dino | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 20:34 | Subject: | Re: Target items | Viewed: | 42 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BeatBreakBricks writes:
| Hi there
New to the forum.
Does anyone know if items from the Target exclusive range will be uploaded to
the catalog?
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Yes, if someone does.
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Author: | BeatBreakBricks | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 20:08 | Subject: | Target items | Viewed: | 167 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| Hi there
New to the forum.
Does anyone know if items from the Target exclusive range will be uploaded to
the catalog?
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Author: | leggodtshop | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 18:38 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 39 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | There needs to be an indicator of the piece "slope" degree, even if not accurate,
but it serves to know which ones share the same angle.
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IMO there does not... Slope 2 x 1 or Slope 3 x 1 says it all. No confusion about
the 45 or 33 (which is incorrect anyway).
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So how about you ignore them, and other people that want to use them to identify
parts that naturally fit together can use them. I find there are many keywords
added to descriptions that I never use and are therefore superfluous (at least
to my way of searching).
|
In all my 50 years of playing, collecting, buying, selling and talking about
lego slopes I never ever had the need of something like a 45 degree roof or 33
degree rampage I just wanted to built a good looking roof .
So I never gave it any thought or attention, indeed just ignoring it most
of the time. The one time it is practical is when sorting the slopes online to
find all the ones alike.
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Author: | leggodtshop | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 18:29 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 39 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| In Catalog, eileenkeeney writes:
| […]
So folks are measuring different things, explaining the different results. That
makes complete sense.
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Yes… well… except for “33”: the only way I can find to get to that number is
to say “the brick is 3 units long and 1 unit high which makes it a 33% slope”
(%, not °, not a typo), except that the vertical unit is not the same as the
horizontal one and it counts the stud.
That or discaculia or dislexia (changing 31° into 33)…
… and a mighty bunch of people just repeating without understanding and/or correcting.
Just enough mystery for the words “Templars” or “aliens” to come to mind
Also makes me think of this joke:
A foreign lord is visiting a monastery, and the abbot explains how the monks
work at copying manuscripts. And the lord asks:
“So, the monks copy the original books?”
“Oh, no! Those are too precious and fragile, they are copying the last copy.”
“But what happens if someone makes an error in copying? Then the error will
be copied again and other errors will be added?”
At these words, a monk working next to them jumps from his seat and rushes out.
Everyone is astounded for a minute and then they hear wails and cries and go
check what it’s about.
They quickly find the monk in the archives, were the oldest books are kept.
He’s holding an old parchment and crying.
“What’s he holding?” asks the lord.
“Oh, it looks like the original of our order’s rules” answers the abbot.
“And why is he crying?”
And the crying monk says “It’s celebrate! Not celibate!”
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Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 17:19 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 42 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, eileenkeeney writes:
| […]
So folks are measuring different things, explaining the different results. That
makes complete sense.
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Yes… well… except for “33”: the only way I can find to get to that number is
to say “the brick is 3 units long and 1 unit high which makes it a 33% slope”
(%, not °, not a typo), except that the vertical unit is not the same as the
horizontal one and it counts the stud.
That or discaculia or dislexia (changing 31° into 33)…
… and a mighty bunch of people just repeating without understanding and/or correcting.
Just enough mystery for the words “Templars” or “aliens” to come to mind
Also makes me think of this joke:
A foreign lord is visiting a monastery, and the abbot explains how the monks
work at copying manuscripts. And the lord asks:
“So, the monks copy the original books?”
“Oh, no! Those are too precious and fragile, they are copying the last copy.”
“But what happens if someone makes an error in copying? Then the error will
be copied again and other errors will be added?”
At these words, a monk working next to them jumps from his seat and rushes out.
Everyone is astounded for a minute and then they hear wails and cries and go
check what it’s about.
They quickly find the monk in the archives, were the oldest books are kept.
He’s holding an old parchment and crying.
“What’s he holding?” asks the lord.
“Oh, it looks like the original of our order’s rules” answers the abbot.
“And why is he crying?”
And the crying monk says “It’s celebrate! Not celibate!”
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Author: | eileenkeeney | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 16:58 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 32 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| In Catalog, eileenkeeney writes:
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| You couldn't be more wrong
Remeasure and recalculate.
In Catalog, tEoS writes:
| You are correct. With my digital angle tool for wood trim, it appears to be
between 43 and 43.3 degrees.
The 33 1x3 is about 25.5 degrees.
| It has to be less than 45, not more than 45 because when I put two together (slope
to slope) I get an angle very slightly less than 90 degrees. This was the easiest
test for me to do. The measurement of the actual slope can not include the full
length and height, just the length and height of the part containing the actual
slope.
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Are you saying my logic is wrong, or that the digital tool is wrong?
I am only trying to show that the angle is less than 45 degrees.
Can you explain why this test is not accurate for determining if the angle is
less than 45 degrees?
The bottom of the piece runs parallel to the adjacent side of the triangle
The back of the piece runs parallel to the opposite side of the triangle
Therefore, if the angle is greater than 45 degrees, shouldn't the angle of
the combined pieces, as shown in the below image, form an angle of more than
90 degrees, not less than 90 degrees?
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You are right. It is including the height of the step that is the issue.
The angle of the slope depends on whether you measure the slope of a single part
or the overall slope of multiple stacked parts.
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So folks are measuring different things, explaining the different results. That
makes complete sense.
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Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 14:46 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 48 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, eileenkeeney writes:
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| You couldn't be more wrong
Remeasure and recalculate.
In Catalog, tEoS writes:
| You are correct. With my digital angle tool for wood trim, it appears to be
between 43 and 43.3 degrees.
The 33 1x3 is about 25.5 degrees.
| It has to be less than 45, not more than 45 because when I put two together (slope
to slope) I get an angle very slightly less than 90 degrees. This was the easiest
test for me to do. The measurement of the actual slope can not include the full
length and height, just the length and height of the part containing the actual
slope.
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Are you saying my logic is wrong, or that the digital tool is wrong?
I am only trying to show that the angle is less than 45 degrees.
Can you explain why this test is not accurate for determining if the angle is
less than 45 degrees?
The bottom of the piece runs parallel to the adjacent side of the triangle
The back of the piece runs parallel to the opposite side of the triangle
Therefore, if the angle is greater than 45 degrees, shouldn't the angle of
the combined pieces, as shown in the below image, form an angle of more than
90 degrees, not less than 90 degrees?
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You are right. It is including the height of the step that is the issue.
The angle of the slope depends on whether you measure the slope of a single part
or the overall slope of multiple stacked parts.
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Author: | popsicle | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 14:01 | Subject: | Re: Chrome Silver Legs and Hips | Viewed: | 31 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| In Catalog, popsicle writes:
| Can notes even be added to color-specific listing pages within the Monochrome
Leg category?
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No - there is only 1 additional notes field per catalog entry.
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Good to know, thanks.
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Author: | BricksThatStick | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 13:57 | Subject: | Re: Chrome Silver Legs and Hips | Viewed: | 20 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, popsicle writes:
| Can notes even be added to color-specific listing pages within the Monochrome
Leg category?
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No - there is only 1 additional notes field per catalog entry.
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Author: | popsicle | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 13:47 | Subject: | Re: Chrome Silver Legs and Hips | Viewed: | 43 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, Turez writes:
| In Catalog, pcthurman writes:
| I was doing a job lot and came across a Chrome Silver torso for a Stormtrooper.
While researching this minifigure I realized that the under (inside) color was
white. There is also a Chrome Silver C-3P0 minifigure with the under (inside)
color of Light Bluish Gray. The legs for both figures are listed as the same
piece, but the under (inside) color is different. White for the Stormtrooper
and Light Bluish Gray for the C-3P0 so shouldn't they be listed as a separate
piece? I would really be disappointed if I bought a pair of Chrome Silver legs
with white inside color when my C-3P0 figure's inside color is Light bluish
Gray.
Can someone please fix this?
|
Chromed parts with same chrome color but different base color are not distinguished
in the catalog and we are not planning to change that. Besides that, it seems
both figures came with both base colors, see https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1264297
If you really need a specific base color I'd suggest to ask the seller in
advance to check which color(s) they have.
|
+1
And I suppose that with the Additional notes space still occupied with
educating folks on the Monochrome Leg rules, this product detailed can’t/shouldn’t
be placed there?
Can notes even be added to color-specific listing pages within the Monochrome
Leg category?
Color me monochrome clueless
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Author: | eileenkeeney | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 13:34 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 41 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| You couldn't be more wrong
Remeasure and recalculate.
In Catalog, tEoS writes:
| You are correct. With my digital angle tool for wood trim, it appears to be
between 43 and 43.3 degrees.
The 33 1x3 is about 25.5 degrees.
| It has to be less than 45, not more than 45 because when I put two together (slope
to slope) I get an angle very slightly less than 90 degrees. This was the easiest
test for me to do. The measurement of the actual slope can not include the full
length and height, just the length and height of the part containing the actual
slope.
|
|
|
Are you saying my logic is wrong, or that the digital tool is wrong?
I am only trying to show that the angle is less than 45 degrees.
Can you explain why this test is not accurate for determining if the angle is
less than 45 degrees?
The bottom of the piece runs parallel to the adjacent side of the triangle
The back of the piece runs parallel to the opposite side of the triangle
Therefore, if the angle is greater than 45 degrees, shouldn't the angle of
the combined pieces, as shown in the below image, form an angle of more than
90 degrees, not less than 90 degrees?
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Author: | popsicle | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 12:18 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 49 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, popsicle writes:
| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.
|
I agree to a certain point but if we would get rid of the angles, then we would
need the height for some slopes. Not sure what would be best though.
|
Yes. Where needed, replace given angle with the missing dimension.
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Giving more perspective to the slope
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Author: | popsicle | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 12:10 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 53 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.
|
I agree to a certain point but if we would get rid of the angles, then we would
need the height for some slopes. Not sure what would be best though.
|
Yes. Where needed, replace given angle with the missing dimension.
|
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Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 11:54 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 40 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| […]
| In 1987 catalogs, LEGO decided to name 33 degree slopes as 25 degree slopes
____
|
Looking at the inventory of 5152-1 it contains Slope 33 not 25 as the set implies
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and a couple others contain no disks, contrarily to what the set names imply
|
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Author: | leggodtshop | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 11:45 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 38 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.
|
I agree to a certain point but if we would get rid of the angles, then we would
need the height for some slopes. Not sure what would be best though.
|
Convention is that if the height is 1 brick high that is not mentioned.
However 3300 is less high so it would be Slope 2 x 2 x 2/3 Double ?
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Author: | leggodtshop | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 11:42 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, Shiny_Stuff writes:
|
And Here is the origin of the name Bevelled Brick:
In 1987 catalogs, LEGO decided to name 33 degree slopes as 25 degree slopes
____
|
Looking at the inventory of 5152-1 it contains Slope 33 not 25 as the set implies
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Author: | Turez | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 11:36 | Subject: | Re: Chrome Silver Legs and Hips | Viewed: | 38 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, pcthurman writes:
| I was doing a job lot and came across a Chrome Silver torso for a Stormtrooper.
While researching this minifigure I realized that the under (inside) color was
white. There is also a Chrome Silver C-3P0 minifigure with the under (inside)
color of Light Bluish Gray. The legs for both figures are listed as the same
piece, but the under (inside) color is different. White for the Stormtrooper
and Light Bluish Gray for the C-3P0 so shouldn't they be listed as a separate
piece? I would really be disappointed if I bought a pair of Chrome Silver legs
with white inside color when my C-3P0 figure's inside color is Light bluish
Gray.
Can someone please fix this?
|
Chromed parts with same chrome color but different base color are not distinguished
in the catalog and we are not planning to change that. Besides that, it seems
both figures came with both base colors, see https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1264297
If you really need a specific base color I'd suggest to ask the seller in
advance to check which color(s) they have.
|
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Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 10:52 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 29 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | There needs to be an indicator of the piece "slope" degree, even if not accurate,
but it serves to know which ones share the same angle.
|
IMO there does not... Slope 2 x 1 or Slope 3 x 1 says it all. No confusion about
the 45 or 33 (which is incorrect anyway).
|
So how about you ignore them, and other people that want to use them to identify
parts that naturally fit together can use them. I find there are many keywords
added to descriptions that I never use and are therefore superfluous (at least
to my way of searching).
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Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 10:00 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 63 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.
|
I agree to a certain point but if we would get rid of the angles, then we would
need the height for some slopes. Not sure what would be best though.
|
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Author: | Shiny_Stuff | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 09:50 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 30 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, Shiny_Stuff writes:
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.
|
There needs to be an indicator of the piece "slope" degree, even if not accurate,
but it serves to know which ones share the same angle.
|
IMO there does not... Slope 2 x 1 or Slope 3 x 1 says it all. No confusion about
the 45 or 33 (which is incorrect anyway).
|
The degree in the name gives them A NAME -- something to call them by.
I have been playing with LEGO for over 40 years and have always used the degree
of 45 or 33 to indicate what piece I am talking about (with other people).
The degree of slope is how many people label storage containers, too, such as
a label that reads 33 Degree Slopes, etc.
I have a Lego friend who is even older than me (he is now 64 years old) and has
been playing with Lego his entire life. He actually NEVER calls them Slope --
his word is BEVEL BRICKS -- but he says 45 degree Bevel Brick or 33 degree
Bevel Brick and I know EXACTLY which pieces he is talking about.
And your example doesn't work with these pieces:
Slope 2 x 3 versus Slope 3 x 2. They are NOT the same as one is 33 and the
other is 45.
In fact, more than one seller on BL has shipped me the WRONG piece when I have
ordered Slope 2 x 3 and they sent me Slope 2 x 3.
We definitely need to keep the degree in the names, even if it is not exactly
correct mathematically.
____
|
And Here is the origin of the name Bevelled Brick:
In 1987 catalogs, LEGO decided to name 33 degree slopes as 25 degree slopes
____
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Author: | Shiny_Stuff | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 09:36 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 35 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.
|
There needs to be an indicator of the piece "slope" degree, even if not accurate,
but it serves to know which ones share the same angle.
|
IMO there does not... Slope 2 x 1 or Slope 3 x 1 says it all. No confusion about
the 45 or 33 (which is incorrect anyway).
|
The degree in the name gives them A NAME -- something to call them by.
I have been playing with LEGO for over 40 years and have always used the degree
of 45 or 33 to indicate what piece I am talking about (with other people).
The degree of slope is how many people label storage containers, too, such as
a label that reads 33 Degree Slopes, etc.
I have a Lego friend who is even older than me (he is now 64 years old) and has
been playing with Lego his entire life. He actually NEVER calls them Slope --
his word is BEVEL BRICKS -- but he says 45 degree Bevel Brick or 33 degree
Bevel Brick and I know EXACTLY which pieces he is talking about.
And your example doesn't work with these pieces:
Slope 2 x 3 versus Slope 3 x 2. They are NOT the same as one is 33 and the
other is 45.
In fact, more than one seller on BL has shipped me the WRONG piece when I have
ordered Slope 2 x 3 and they sent me Slope 2 x 3.
We definitely need to keep the degree in the names, even if it is not exactly
correct mathematically.
____
|
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Author: | leggodtshop | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 09:11 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 31 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.
|
There needs to be an indicator of the piece "slope" degree, even if not accurate,
but it serves to know which ones share the same angle.
|
IMO there does not... Slope 2 x 1 or Slope 3 x 1 says it all. No confusion about
the 45 or 33 (which is incorrect anyway).
|
|
In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.
As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong
Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?
|
|
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Author: | Stellar | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 07:06 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 32 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.
|
There needs to be an indicator of the piece "slope" degree, even if not accurate,
but it serves to know which ones share the same angle.
|
In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.
As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong
Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?
|
|
|
|
Author: | pcthurman | Posted: | Jan 1, 2022 01:18 | Subject: | Re: Chrome Silver Legs and Hips | Viewed: | 34 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, pcthurman writes:
| I was doing a job lot and came across a Chrome Silver torso for a Stormtrooper.
While researching this minifigure I realized that the under (inside) color was
white. There is also a Chrome Silver C-3P0 minifigure with the under (inside)
color of Light Bluish Gray. The legs for both figures are listed as the same
piece, but the under (inside) color is different. White for the Stormtrooper
and Light Bluish Gray for the C-3P0 so shouldn't they be listed as a separate
piece? I would really be disappointed if I bought a pair of Chrome Silver legs
with white inside color when my C-3P0 figure's inside color is Light bluish
Gray.
Can someone please fix this?
|
BUMP
|
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Author: | popsicle | Posted: | Dec 31, 2021 23:37 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 82 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| As I understand it, the only reason to add angle to the dimensions, is to allow
for differentiating between the angles. Ironically, the other dimensions illustrate
the difference well enough vis-à-vis slope. The added number only serves to convolute
the dimensions and their usefulness. It’s superfluous, imho.
-popsicle
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.
In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.
As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong
Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?
|
|
|
|
Author: | axaday | Posted: | Dec 31, 2021 22:11 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 63 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.
In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.
As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong
Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?
|
|
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Author: | leggodtshop | Posted: | Dec 31, 2021 19:26 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 45 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| You couldn't be more wrong
Remeasure and recalculate.
In Catalog, tEoS writes:
| You are correct. With my digital angle tool for wood trim, it appears to be
between 43 and 43.3 degrees.
The 33 1x3 is about 25.5 degrees.
| It has to be less than 45, not more than 45 because when I put two together (slope
to slope) I get an angle very slightly less than 90 degrees. This was the easiest
test for me to do. The measurement of the actual slope can not include the full
length and height, just the length and height of the part containing the actual
slope.
|
|
|
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Author: | tEoS | Posted: | Dec 31, 2021 17:57 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 56 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| You are correct. With my digital angle tool for wood trim, it appears to be
between 43 and 43.3 degrees.
The 33 1x3 is about 25.5 degrees.
| It has to be less than 45, not more than 45 because when I put two together (slope
to slope) I get an angle very slightly less than 90 degrees. This was the easiest
test for me to do. The measurement of the actual slope can not include the full
length and height, just the length and height of the part containing the actual
slope.
|
|
|
Author: | eileenkeeney | Posted: | Dec 31, 2021 17:09 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 60 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.
As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong
Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?
|
It has to be less than 45, not more than 45 because when I put two together (slope
to slope) I get an angle very slightly less than 90 degrees. This was the easiest
test for me to do. The measurement of the actual slope can not include the full
length and height, just the length and height of the part containing the actual
slope.
|
|
Author: | pcthurman | Posted: | Dec 31, 2021 14:20 | Subject: | Chrome Silver Legs and Hips | Viewed: | 115 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
|
| I was doing a job lot and came across a Chrome Silver torso for a Stormtrooper.
While researching this minifigure I realized that the under (inside) color was
white. There is also a Chrome Silver C-3P0 minifigure with the under (inside)
color of Light Bluish Gray. The legs for both figures are listed as the same
piece, but the under (inside) color is different. White for the Stormtrooper
and Light Bluish Gray for the C-3P0 so shouldn't they be listed as a separate
piece? I would really be disappointed if I bought a pair of Chrome Silver legs
with white inside color when my C-3P0 figure's inside color is Light bluish
Gray.
Can someone please fix this?
|
|
Author: | Stellar | Posted: | Dec 31, 2021 05:59 | Subject: | Re: Bricklink and Brickstore are different | Viewed: | 51 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, amthorpe writes:
| Just updated the database. Still showing no image and non matching reference
same also applies to the similar items in 71228
|
Those ID changes were made in the last few hours, the BrickStore DB is updated
from BL daily, so maybe until tomorrows update they won't show up.
|
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Author: | calsbricks | Posted: | Dec 31, 2021 05:55 | Subject: | Re: Bricklink and Brickstore are different | Viewed: | 37 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, amthorpe writes:
| In Catalog, amthorpe writes:
| Just updated the database. Still showing no image and non matching reference
same also applies to the similar items in 71228
|
and 71206
|
Same here - looks like the database has not yet been updated.
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Author: | amthorpe | Posted: | Dec 31, 2021 05:54 | Subject: | Re: Bricklink and Brickstore are different | Viewed: | 35 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, amthorpe writes:
| In Catalog, amthorpe writes:
| Just updated the database. Still showing no image and non matching reference
same also applies to the similar items in 71228
|
and 71206
|
Interestingly, the prints i did within the last month or so show the images,
the current Brickstore Database doesn't
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Author: | amthorpe | Posted: | Dec 31, 2021 05:25 | Subject: | Re: Bricklink and Brickstore are different | Viewed: | 35 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, amthorpe writes:
| Just updated the database. Still showing no image and non matching reference
same also applies to the similar items in 71228
|
and 71206
|
Author: | amthorpe | Posted: | Dec 31, 2021 05:07 | Subject: | Re: Bricklink and Brickstore are different | Viewed: | 35 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| Just updated the database. Still showing no image and non matching reference
same also applies to the similar items in 71228
|
|
Author: | beaverbrick | Posted: | Dec 31, 2021 04:24 | Subject: | Re: Bricklink and Brickstore are different | Viewed: | 45 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, amthorpe writes:
| Bricklink has the following differences from Brickstore in respect of Set 71253-1
Bricklink has
18605c02pb19 Trans-Yellow Dimensions Toy Tag 4 x 4 x 2/3 with 2 Studs and Trans-Orange
Bottom with Silver 'NS' Monogram on Dark Blue Background Pattern (Newt
Scamander)
While Brickstore has 18603c67pb01 with no image and the item number is not
in Bricklink
Bricklink has
18602c02 Trans-Yellow Dimensions Toy Tag 4 x 4 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Trans-Orange
Bottom (Generic for Gadgets)
While Brickstore has 18603c00b with no image and the item number is not in
Bricklink
is this correctable so that the images are available in Brickstore and the link
to info on Bricklink does not return No items found ?
|
Update the BrickStore database, from the Extras menu.
Looks like those parts have recently changed, so an update should do it.
|
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Author: | amthorpe | Posted: | Dec 31, 2021 03:54 | Subject: | Bricklink and Brickstore are different | Viewed: | 151 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
|
| Bricklink has the following differences from Brickstore in respect of Set 71253-1
Bricklink has
18605c02pb19 Trans-Yellow Dimensions Toy Tag 4 x 4 x 2/3 with 2 Studs and Trans-Orange
Bottom with Silver 'NS' Monogram on Dark Blue Background Pattern (Newt
Scamander)
While Brickstore has 18603c67pb01 with no image and the item number is not
in Bricklink
Bricklink has
18602c02 Trans-Yellow Dimensions Toy Tag 4 x 4 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Trans-Orange
Bottom (Generic for Gadgets)
While Brickstore has 18603c00b with no image and the item number is not in
Bricklink
is this correctable so that the images are available in Brickstore and the link
to info on Bricklink does not return No items found ?
|
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Author: | BricksThatStick | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 14:27 | Subject: | Re: Why is Flag, Decorated: 2335pb219 marked for | Viewed: | 61 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, andysmee writes:
| I've found Flag, Decorated: 2335pb219 and want to add to my inventory but
it says I cannot as it is marked for deletion. I have one here that matches the
catalogue, can it be re-enabled?
|
Yes it can - please upload a nice picture of it on a white background if possible
and upload it here:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogImageAdd.page?itemType=P
Thanks
Paul.
|
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Author: | psusaxman2000 | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 14:06 | Subject: | Re: Why is Flag, Decorated: 2335pb219 marked for | Viewed: | 55 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, andysmee writes:
| I've found Flag, Decorated: 2335pb219 and want to add to my inventory but
it says I cannot as it is marked for deletion. I have one here that matches the
catalogue, can it be re-enabled?
|
The part that you called out is not the same. If you note the difference between
yours and the one in the catalog (the reason it's marked for deletion) is
that the catalog entry has the sticker on the wrong side of the piece. You can
submit it to the catalog using the add/change part system : https://www.bricklink.com/catalogAdd.asp?utm_content=subnav
Here is a link to another thread that will also help:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1191009
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Author: | andysmee | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 13:50 | Subject: | Why is Flag, Decorated: 2335pb219 marked for | Viewed: | 123 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
|
| I've found Flag, Decorated: 2335pb219 and want to add to my inventory but
it says I cannot as it is marked for deletion. I have one here that matches the
catalogue, can it be re-enabled?
|
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Author: | leggodtshop | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 13:22 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? Resolution | Viewed: | 37 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| LEGO got stuck with the lip height of 1.5870 which does not match e.g. a Plate,
just because they wanted a 45° angle at the start.
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No, they didn't want that from the start, it's a logical result. That
lip is simply a panel width. Brick width + panel width = brick height. Removing
one panel width from the bottom of the brick and you're left with a perfect
cube. Then you cut the cube diagonally (=45 degrees) to get the slope.
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A panel? Back in the old days when the Slope 45 was created there were no panels.
So, I don't think that was considered at all.
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| Then the next Slope brick (known as Slope 33) was created with the same lip height.
Somehow this got called 33 on BrickLink, but it's not 33° but 31° close enough.
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Hmm, I think it's like 26.57 degrees? 2 steps wide and 1 step high, that
gives a tangent of 0.5... calculator says that's 26.57 degrees...
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Author: | tec | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 13:18 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 35 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| in the old times, old tools ruled |
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Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 11:03 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? Resolution | Viewed: | 44 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| Isn't the step / lip so that the outer antistuds underneath work.
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Yes, I thought so too.
And that’s why some inverted slopes have a smaller lip… and it doesn’t look good.
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Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 11:02 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? Resolution | Viewed: | 46 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| LEGO got stuck with the lip height of 1.5870 which does not match e.g. a Plate,
just because they wanted a 45° angle at the start.
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No, they didn't want that from the start, it's a logical result. That
lip is simply a panel width. Brick width + panel width = brick height. Removing
one panel width from the bottom of the brick and you're left with a perfect
cube. Then you cut the cube diagonally (=45 degrees) to get the slope.
| Then the next Slope brick (known as Slope 33) was created with the same lip height.
Somehow this got called 33 on BrickLink, but it's not 33° but 31° close enough.
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Hmm, I think it's like 26.57 degrees? 2 steps wide and 1 step high, that
gives a tangent of 0.5... calculator says that's 26.57 degrees...
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Yes, but patpendlego calculates the slope of a stack of slopes, like he said
the 45° were actually 50°, and tan⁻¹(9.6/(2x8)) = 31°.
LEGO says 25° in the names, which is wrong too… but closer to 26.57° than 33°
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Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 10:24 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? Resolution | Viewed: | 55 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Isn't the step / lip so that the outer antistuds underneath work. |
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Author: | Teup | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 10:20 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? Resolution | Viewed: | 53 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| LEGO got stuck with the lip height of 1.5870 which does not match e.g. a Plate,
just because they wanted a 45° angle at the start.
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No, they didn't want that from the start, it's a logical result. That
lip is simply a panel width. Brick width + panel width = brick height. Removing
one panel width from the bottom of the brick and you're left with a perfect
cube. Then you cut the cube diagonally (=45 degrees) to get the slope.
| Then the next Slope brick (known as Slope 33) was created with the same lip height.
Somehow this got called 33 on BrickLink, but it's not 33° but 31° close enough.
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Hmm, I think it's like 26.57 degrees? 2 steps wide and 1 step high, that
gives a tangent of 0.5... calculator says that's 26.57 degrees...
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Author: | leggodtshop | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 09:26 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? Resolution | Viewed: | 93 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Thanks for all the replies, so now it seems that:
LEGO made the first Slope brick (known als Slope 45) where the slope itself is
as high as it is wide both 7.9375 mm resulting in 45° angle and a lip of 1.5870
mm and when building a roof resulting in 50° angle.
Then the next Slope brick (known as Slope 33) was created with the same lip height.
Somehow this got called 33 on BrickLink, but it's not 33° but 31° close enough.
LEGO got stuck with the lip height of 1.5870 which does not match e.g. a Plate,
just because they wanted a 45° angle at the start.
I was looking at Cobi parts, they made a different choice. They set the lip height
to Plate height, thus 3.1750 mm. Resulting in smoother models to be built with
these parts if put along side. This is how I got to my question.
In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.
As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong
Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?
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Author: | leggodtshop | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 09:03 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 60 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
| I presumed it was for 1 brick up for 1 stud along and then 1 brick up for 3 studs
length.
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For a Slope 45 2 x 1 that would result in 1 up 1 along = 45 degrees
For a Slope 33 3 x 1 that would result in 1 up 2 along = 27 degrees, not 33
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Or
| 1 up 3 along = 18 degrees
Seems not to work like that
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It works for that for 2x1 (45) and 4x1 (18) slopes, seems like 3x1 slopes are
the issue. I'd recommend against changing them now however
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So it seems, the 33 is the odd exception. Hence the "confusion".
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Author: | leggodtshop | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 09:01 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 59 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
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You forgot about the lip (around 1.6mm), so the slope is ~8mm long and ~8mm high,
which makes it ~45°.
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For just one slope it is ~45° but building a roof won't result in a roof
of ~45° due to the lip it will turn out to be 50°
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(Skedadling before you think about apply the same reasoning to the 33 slope….)
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Doesn't work for 33
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| Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.
As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong
Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?
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Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 08:58 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 48 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.
As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong
Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?
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Most are rounded results of arctan (height/width) in BL units (where even though
1 height is different to 1 wide in actual mm dimensions, they are the same 1
unit).
The odd one is 33, but that helps to differentiate it from the different family
of 30 'cheese' slopes.
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Also lego call the 33 system 25°, but the 45 system 45°.
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Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 08:57 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 55 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
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You forgot about the lip (around 1.6mm), so the slope is ~8mm long and ~8mm high,
which makes it ~45°.
(Skedadling before you think about apply the same reasoning to the 33 slope….)
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*Skedaddling and *applying.
Anyway, LEGO calls “Roof Tile 1x2/45°” (with the °!) and “Roof
Tile 1x3/25°” (with the °!).
(The other parts in the familly also have 45° and 25°.)
I really don’t know where the 33 comes from. Some AFOL with dyscalculia?
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Author: | peregrinator | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 08:56 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 58 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
| I presumed it was for 1 brick up for 1 stud along and then 1 brick up for 3 studs
length.
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For a Slope 45 2 x 1 that would result in 1 up 1 along = 45 degrees
For a Slope 33 3 x 1 that would result in 1 up 2 along = 27 degrees, not 33
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Or
| 1 up 3 along = 18 degrees
Seems not to work like that
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It works for that for 2x1 (45) and 4x1 (18) slopes, seems like 3x1 slopes are
the issue. I'd recommend against changing them now however
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Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 08:54 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 59 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.
As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong
Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?
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Most are rounded results of arctan (height/width) in BL units (where even though
1 height is different to 1 wide in actual mm dimensions, they are the same 1
unit).
The odd one is 33, but that helps to differentiate it from the different family
of 30 'cheese' slopes.
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Author: | leggodtshop | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 08:50 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 61 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
| I presumed it was for 1 brick up for 1 stud along and then 1 brick up for 3 studs
length.
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For a Slope 45 2 x 1 that would result in 1 up 1 along = 45 degrees
For a Slope 33 3 x 1 that would result in 1 up 2 along = 27 degrees, not 33
Or
1 up 3 along = 18 degrees
Seems not to work like that
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Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 08:46 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 75 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
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You forgot about the lip (around 1.6mm), so the slope is ~8mm long and ~8mm high,
which makes it ~45°.
(Skedadling before you think about apply the same reasoning to the 33 slope….)
| Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.
As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong
Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?
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Author: | leggodtshop | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 08:45 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 59 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, John_Miller writes:
| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.
As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong
Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?
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I'm going with it's close enough to determine the difference in the slopes,
no need to be that accurate.
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That seems rather likely. It also does not say 45º just 45. Then it is more like
a name/type to distinghuish then a number indicating something like degrees.
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Author: | BrickCompulsion | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 08:42 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 56 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I presumed it was for 1 brick up for 1 stud along and then 1 brick up for 3 studs
length.
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Author: | John_Miller | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 08:40 | Subject: | Re: What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 71 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.
As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong
Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?
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I'm going with it's close enough to determine the difference in the slopes,
no need to be that accurate.
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Author: | leggodtshop | Posted: | Dec 30, 2021 08:35 | Subject: | What the 45 means in Slope 45 ? | Viewed: | 330 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.
A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).
Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.
As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong
Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?
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Author: | Bendix | Posted: | Dec 23, 2021 09:07 | Subject: | Re: Legoland Castle shield with lion head | Viewed: | 79 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| In Catalog, Bendix writes:
| Just found this Legoland shield - seems it`s not in the catalog.
Any idea how to add? There`s no item number...
Thanks for help
Beryll
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It seems big. What’s its size?
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33cm x 40cm
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Author: | edk | Posted: | Dec 23, 2021 08:50 | Subject: | Re: Legoland Castle shield with lion head | Viewed: | 61 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Bendix writes:
| Just found this Legoland shield - seems it`s not in the catalog.
Any idea how to add? There`s no item number...
Thanks for help
Beryll
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I had a foam shield at one time, think it was this one.
There are a few different ones in the catalog but not sure how a number was
determined. The one I had came in a bonus pack with a boxed lego set. Maybe by
looking at the item numbers in the catalog a pattern could be seen to come up
with the next item number.
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Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | Dec 23, 2021 07:47 | Subject: | Re: Legoland Castle shield with lion head | Viewed: | 55 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Bendix writes:
| Just found this Legoland shield - seems it`s not in the catalog.
Any idea how to add? There`s no item number...
Thanks for help
Beryll
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It seems big. What’s its size?
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Author: | Bendix | Posted: | Dec 23, 2021 07:26 | Subject: | Legoland Castle shield with lion head | Viewed: | 162 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| Just found this Legoland shield - seems it`s not in the catalog.
Any idea how to add? There`s no item number...
Thanks for help
Beryll
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Author: | jennnifer | Posted: | Dec 22, 2021 17:32 | Subject: | Re: With still a few days to go... | Viewed: | 51 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| ...we surpassed last year's yearly total of catalog items added:
https://www.bricklink.com/calendar.asp?v=C
In addition to that 2021 saw more catalog items being edited/changed than in
the previous 6 years combined:
https://www.bricklink.com/calendar.asp?v=Q
(mostly due to thousands of packing dimensions being added)
Us admins sometimes get thanked here in the forums for our work but those volumes
can only be achieved by all the submissions from you.
So here's a big thanks from us admins to you
Here's to 2022...
Paul.
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Thanks for the update! I am looking forward to a positive and productive 2022.
Jen
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Author: | Stellar | Posted: | Dec 22, 2021 05:22 | Subject: | Re: With still a few days to go... | Viewed: | 59 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| ...we surpassed last year's yearly total of catalog items added:
https://www.bricklink.com/calendar.asp?v=C
In addition to that 2021 saw more catalog items being edited/changed than in
the previous 6 years combined:
https://www.bricklink.com/calendar.asp?v=Q
(mostly due to thousands of packing dimensions being added)
Us admins sometimes get thanked here in the forums for our work but those volumes
can only be achieved by all the submissions from you.
So here's a big thanks from us admins to you
Here's to 2022...
Paul.
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Congrats to all the contributors!
This year 31942 pack dim changes leave 15270 others still better than any year
except the past one, but still quite impressive for this community of volunteers.
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Author: | goldknight | Posted: | Dec 21, 2021 22:21 | Subject: | Re: Legoland 25 year anniversary mug | Viewed: | 63 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| I'd like to add the official Legoland 25 year anniversary mug to the catalog.
But I don't have any gear number for it. What should I use?
/Jan
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Did you buy this cup? What is the item number on the receipt? If there is no
number, call it whatever you want, e.g. mugllb25jub
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No, I don't even have it. But a friend of mine has an old, used mug of which
I have taken a photo. I'll use your suggestion.
/Jan
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Be sure it’s not an old used Chinese version from Ming Dynasty!!!!
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Author: | SezaR | Posted: | Dec 21, 2021 19:46 | Subject: | Re: With still a few days to go... | Viewed: | 42 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| ...we surpassed last year's yearly total of catalog items added:
https://www.bricklink.com/calendar.asp?v=C
In addition to that 2021 saw more catalog items being edited/changed than in
the previous 6 years combined:
https://www.bricklink.com/calendar.asp?v=Q
(mostly due to thousands of packing dimensions being added)
Us admins sometimes get thanked here in the forums for our work but those volumes
can only be achieved by all the submissions from you.
So here's a big thanks from us admins to you
Here's to 2022...
Paul.
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You are welcome!
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Dec 21, 2021 19:40 | Subject: | Re: With still a few days to go... | Viewed: | 37 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| can only be achieved by all the submissions from you.
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No problem
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Author: | normann1974 | Posted: | Dec 21, 2021 18:29 | Subject: | Re: Legoland 25 year anniversary mug | Viewed: | 64 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| I'd like to add the official Legoland 25 year anniversary mug to the catalog.
But I don't have any gear number for it. What should I use?
/Jan
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Did you buy this cup? What is the item number on the receipt? If there is no
number, call it whatever you want, e.g. mugllb25jub
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No, I don't even have it. But a friend of mine has an old, used mug of which
I have taken a photo. I'll use your suggestion.
/Jan
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