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 Author: dearlydeparted View Messages Posted By dearlydeparted
 Posted: Dec 4, 2021 19:24
 Subject: Help: Black Falcon variants are not clear
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dearlydeparted (5394)

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Hello, I have some black torsos, bird facing right. But the 3 variants shown
are not clear visually on what makes them different, original, 1st reissue, 2nd
reissue? I can’t see the difference in the photo or the description, really need
more clarification on the variants.

Thanks
 Author: peregrinator View Messages Posted By peregrinator
 Posted: Dec 4, 2021 19:39
 Subject: Re: Help: Black Falcon variants are not clear
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In Selling, dearlydeparted writes:
  Hello, I have some black torsos, bird facing right. But the 3 variants shown
are not clear visually on what makes them different, original, 1st reissue, 2nd
reissue? I can’t see the difference in the photo or the description, really need
more clarification on the variants.

The original would have a "rounded" bottom on the shield pattern and (I think)
small prongs in the torso. The 1st reissue has a more pointed bottom on the shield
pattern and ribs in the torso. The 2nd reissue has the rounded shield bottom
and ribs.

So:

rounded bottom = original or 2nd reissue
pointed bottom = 1st reissue
torso ribs = 1st reissue or 2nd reissue

It can be difficult to tell the difference between the rounded shield bottom
and the pointed.
 Author: dearlydeparted View Messages Posted By dearlydeparted
 Posted: Dec 5, 2021 21:35
 Subject: Re: Help: Black Falcon variants are not clear
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It can be difficult to tell the difference between the rounded shield bottom
and the pointed.

It is really difficult, I just can’t see a marked difference, thank you for the
reply.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Dec 5, 2021 22:37
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In Selling, dearlydeparted writes:
  In Selling,
  
It can be difficult to tell the difference between the rounded shield bottom
and the pointed.

It is really difficult, I just can’t see a marked difference, thank you for the
reply.


The easiest way to tell is looking at the feet of the falcon. If the feet almost
touch the border of the shield, then it is the first reissue with the pointy-bottom
shield. If the feet are far away from the border of the shield, then it is either
the second reissue or the original with the rounded-bottom shield. Knowing
whether it is the second reissue or the original comes down to then looking at
the supports inside the torso. The second reissue will have long "ribs" that
form a sort of hourglass shape (like all modern minifigures do), and the original
will have small inside supports that look like small fangs.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Dec 5, 2021 05:42
 Subject: Re: Help: Black Falcon variants are not clear
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In Selling, dearlydeparted writes:
  Hello, I have some black torsos, bird facing right. But the 3 variants shown
are not clear visually on what makes them different, original, 1st reissue, 2nd
reissue? I can’t see the difference in the photo or the description, really need
more clarification on the variants.

Thanks

See http://v4ei.com/brickref/torsos/black-falcons.php

The second reissue from 2009/2010 has the runded shield bottom but with large
inside ribs.

 
Part No: 973p43c01  Name: Torso Castle Black Falcon with Shield Bottom Round Pattern / Black Arms / Yellow Hands
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973p43c01 (Inv) Torso Castle Black Falcon with Shield Bottom Round Pattern / Black Arms / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.
 
Part No: 973pb0297c01  Name: Torso Castle Black Falcon with Shield Bottom Pointed Pattern / Black Arms / Yellow Hands
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973pb0297c01 (Inv) Torso Castle Black Falcon with Shield Bottom Pointed Pattern / Black Arms / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.
 
Part No: 973pb4441c01  Name: Torso Castle Black Falcon with Shield Bottom Round Pattern (Reissue with Inside Ribs) / Black Arms / Yellow Hands
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973pb4441c01 (Inv) Torso Castle Black Falcon with Shield Bottom Round Pattern (Reissue with Inside Ribs) / Black Arms / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.
 Author: crazylegoman View Messages Posted By crazylegoman
 Posted: Dec 5, 2021 21:07
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In Selling, dearlydeparted writes:
  Hello, I have some black torsos, bird facing right. But the 3 variants shown
are not clear visually on what makes them different, original, 1st reissue, 2nd
reissue? I can’t see the difference in the photo or the description, really need
more clarification on the variants.

Thanks

This is the info I can provide.

David
 
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
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In Selling, crazylegoman writes:
  In Selling, dearlydeparted writes:
  Hello, I have some black torsos, bird facing right. But the 3 variants shown
are not clear visually on what makes them different, original, 1st reissue, 2nd
reissue? I can’t see the difference in the photo or the description, really need
more clarification on the variants.

Thanks

This is the info I can provide.

David

+1
 Author: dearlydeparted View Messages Posted By dearlydeparted
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In Selling, crazylegoman writes:
  In Selling, dearlydeparted writes:
  Hello, I have some black torsos, bird facing right. But the 3 variants shown
are not clear visually on what makes them different, original, 1st reissue, 2nd
reissue? I can’t see the difference in the photo or the description, really need
more clarification on the variants.

Thanks

This is the info I can provide.

David

Thank you, but I was on that page and didn’t help me distinguish them.
 Author: zorbanj View Messages Posted By zorbanj
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In Selling, dearlydeparted writes:
  Hello, I have some black torsos, bird facing right. But the 3 variants shown
are not clear visually on what makes them different, original, 1st reissue, 2nd
reissue? I can’t see the difference in the photo or the description, really need
more clarification on the variants.

Thanks