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| | | Author: | normann1974  | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 14:15 | | Subject: | 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 220 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.
/Jan
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| | | | | Author: | Pippysblocks | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 14:41 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Is this part
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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.
/Jan
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| | | | | | | Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 14:57 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Pippyblocks writes:
| | Is this part
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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.
/Jan
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No, it's 88072 as stated. The handle is centered between the studs (see the
base as the perspective warps the image).
/Jan
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 15:12 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.
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Gots to be honest with you, I'm still wondering. Can you post an image of
the two parts attached side by side on a 1 x 4 plate (any color)?
Just want to be certain since this part was released (according to our timeline)
five years after the LBG colour change.
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| | | | | | | Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 15:56 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.
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Gots to be honest with you, I'm still wondering. Can you post an image of
the two parts attached side by side on a 1 x 4 plate (any color)?
Just want to be certain since this part was released (according to our timeline)
five years after the LBG colour change.
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Certainly. But a 1x4 plate? What does that accomplish, and from which angle do
you want it?
/Jan
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 16:03 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.
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Gots to be honest with you, I'm still wondering. Can you post an image of
the two parts attached side by side on a 1 x 4 plate (any color)?
Just want to be certain since this part was released (according to our timeline)
five years after the LBG colour change.
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Certainly. But a 1x4 plate? What does that accomplish, and from which angle do
you want it?
/Jan
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I can see a bit of light bluish gray around the base of one of the studs on the
part you are saying is light gray. I believe you have a damaged light bluish
gray part that has been yellowed. I find it *very* hard to believe that this
mold would have been used to make parts in a color that had been retired for
*years* before the mold was ever even manufactured.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 16:10 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | I can see a bit of light bluish gray around the base of one of the studs on the
part you are saying is light gray. I believe you have a damaged light bluish
gray part that has been yellowed. I find it *very* hard to believe that this
mold would have been used to make parts in a color that had been retired for
*years* before the mold was ever even manufactured.
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I am not convinced that there is any LBG on this part. I have checked under magnifyning
glass, it has to be some lighting issue. The color is the same on all sides,
even inside. What's even stranger: I've just seen (in the magnifying
glass), that the mold number says 4623, but it's not a 6 mm arm, it's
5 mm (see another attached image).
Could this be a prototype of the upcoming 5 mm change back in the days?
/Jan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 16:38 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | | | I can see a bit of light bluish gray around the base of one of the studs on the
part you are saying is light gray. I believe you have a damaged light bluish
gray part that has been yellowed. I find it *very* hard to believe that this
mold would have been used to make parts in a color that had been retired for
*years* before the mold was ever even manufactured.
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I am not convinced that there is any LBG on this part. I have checked under magnifyning
glass, it has to be some lighting issue. The color is the same on all sides,
even inside. What's even stranger: I've just seen (in the magnifying
glass), that the mold number says 4623, but it's not a 6 mm arm, it's
5 mm (see another attached image).
Could this be a prototype of the upcoming 5 mm change back in the days?
/Jan
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I have several light gray with the shorter arm. They are light gray, not yellowed
LBG, and they are marked 4623.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 17:56 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | I have several light gray with the shorter arm. They are light gray, not yellowed
LBG, and they are marked 4623.
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Ouch, I just checked all 5mm versions that I currently have for sale. I found
one blue and about half of my black ones (13) bearing mold number 4623. I can
therefore conclude that mold number 4623 was used for both versions of this part
(I have checked the 6mm versions also, they also bear this number).
I ought to have seen this already this a month ago when I was double-checking
the contents of my childhood sets. Those sets have been mixed together, but for
my mid-80's castle sets, I was wondering why all of them had 5 mm versions
when the inventories stated they had to be 6 mm. Not a single 6 mm found among
those sets. So I replaced the parts with 6 mm versions believing this was the
right thing to do. But now I know why I didn't find the 6 mm art in them.
The 5 mm version was apparently already in use during the 80's with the same
mold number.
The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this. Sorry to be the messenger. 
/Jan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 19:03 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this.
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Honestly, I'm tempted to merge them. There is little reason for this part
to be split over an excessively confusing difference that requires no less than
three comparison images.
And, of course, a fairly snarky additional note that is clearly the result of
frustration over sellers just not getting the difference (and blaming them for
the problem that BrickLink created).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 19:09 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this.
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Honestly, I'm tempted to merge them. There is little reason for this part
to be split over an excessively confusing difference that requires no less than
three comparison images.
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But but but, they are functionnaly different! 
| | And, of course, a fairly snarky additional note that is clearly the result of
frustration over sellers just not getting the difference (and blaming them for
the problem that BrickLink created).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 19:25 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this.
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Honestly, I'm tempted to merge them. There is little reason for this part
to be split over an excessively confusing difference that requires no less than
three comparison images.
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But but but, they are functionnaly different!
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Merging the entries will of course rid the admins of any more problems, but only
by handing them off to the users.
The parts are not always interchangeable. The assembly below from set 6398, for
example, requires the 6mm version. Elsewhere in the set, a white one is used
as a hook for a helmet. It is possible to use the 5mm version for that one, but
the helmet has to be pushed into place and it stresses the parts.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 19:34 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this.
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Honestly, I'm tempted to merge them. There is little reason for this part
to be split over an excessively confusing difference that requires no less than
three comparison images.
And, of course, a fairly snarky additional note that is clearly the result of
frustration over sellers just not getting the difference (and blaming them for
the problem that BrickLink created).
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I strongly object to this resolution. As SylvainLS points out, they are functionally
different, and IMHO they are not interchangable, and both as a buyer or seller,
I would care about the variant (as I do today).
I think a better resolution would be to rename part 88072 to 4623b (and keep
part number 88072 secondary), then make 4623 "undetermined arm length" and create
a new part 4623a for the 6 mm variant.
/Jan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 21:04 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this.
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Honestly, I'm tempted to merge them. There is little reason for this part
to be split over an excessively confusing difference that requires no less than
three comparison images.
And, of course, a fairly snarky additional note that is clearly the result of
frustration over sellers just not getting the difference (and blaming them for
the problem that BrickLink created).
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I strongly object to this resolution. As SylvainLS points out, they are functionally
different, and IMHO they are not interchangable, and both as a buyer or seller,
I would care about the variant (as I do today).
I think a better resolution would be to rename part 88072 to 4623b (and keep
part number 88072 secondary), then make 4623 "undetermined arm length" and create
a new part 4623a for the 6 mm variant.
/Jan
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Well this totally went in a direction I wasn't expecting! Interesting discovery,
Jan! 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Jun 15, 2020 07:53 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | Honestly, I'm tempted to merge them. There is little reason for this part
to be split over an excessively confusing difference that requires no less than
three comparison images.
And, of course, a fairly snarky additional note that is clearly the result of
frustration over sellers just not getting the difference (and blaming them for
the problem that BrickLink created).
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I strongly object to this resolution. As SylvainLS points out, they are functionally
different, and IMHO they are not interchangable, and both as a buyer or seller,
I would care about the variant (as I do today).
I think a better resolution would be to rename part 88072 to 4623b (and keep
part number 88072 secondary), then make 4623 "undetermined arm length" and create
a new part 4623a for the 6 mm variant.
/Jan
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Well this totally went in a direction I wasn't expecting! Interesting discovery,
Jan!
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So where do we go from here? Could the note for the two parts be updated? They
(and some of the inventories containing the 6mm part) are clearly wrong now.
/Jan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jun 15, 2020 13:04 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | So where do we go from here? Could the note for the two parts be updated?
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You're welcome to submit a request stating exactly what needs to be changed.
| | They (and some of the inventories containing the 6mm part) are clearly wrong now.
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Here I would suggest inventory change requests where appropriate.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Jun 15, 2020 17:36 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | So where do we go from here? Could the note for the two parts be updated?
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You're welcome to submit a request stating exactly what needs to be changed.
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I can't do this. IMHO, a decision about the future road of these two parts
(and any new parts needed to be made) must be made by admin, and I expect them
to make the necessary changes to the catalog. I have seen no traces of any final
decision made yet.
/Jan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Jun 15, 2020 17:44 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | So where do we go from here? Could the note for the two parts be updated?
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You're welcome to submit a request stating exactly what needs to be changed.
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I can't do this. IMHO, a decision about the future road of these two parts
(and any new parts needed to be made) must be made by admin, and I expect them
to make the necessary changes to the catalog. I have seen no traces of any final
decision made yet.
/Jan
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I'll make a request to have the notes changed, but splitting/new parts and
inventories I leave to others.
/Jan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 22:58 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I strongly object to this resolution.
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| | both as a buyer or seller, I would care about the variant
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I don't care whatsoever about this variant difference (personally, as opposed
to in any official capacity). Wouldn't it be great if BrickLink handled
variants in a way that would serve you and I equally well?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 19:08 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | | | I have several light gray with the shorter arm. They are light gray, not yellowed
LBG, and they are marked 4623.
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Ouch, I just checked all 5mm versions that I currently have for sale. I found
one blue and about half of my black ones (13) bearing mold number 4623. I can
therefore conclude that mold number 4623 was used for both versions of this part
(I have checked the 6mm versions also, they also bear this number).
I ought to have seen this already this a month ago when I was double-checking
the contents of my childhood sets. Those sets have been mixed together, but for
my mid-80's castle sets, I was wondering why all of them had 5 mm versions
when the inventories stated they had to be 6 mm. Not a single 6 mm found among
those sets. So I replaced the parts with 6 mm versions believing this was the
right thing to do. But now I know why I didn't find the 6 mm art in them.
The 5 mm version was apparently already in use during the 80's with the same
mold number.
The catalog for this part is now officially a mess, and an admin need to work
on fixing this. Sorry to be the messenger.
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Ah, I remember having trouble identifying the variants I had when I got out of
my Dark Ages. I thought I was holding them wrong and trusted the catalogue(s)
As with all my old parts, the “Antiques” (pre-Dark Ages) are stored separately.
So, I have 3 Black and 1 LG SHORT 4623 (and 3 Black and 2 White long ones).
They come from
Yes, one Black is missing, I have to hunt it down.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 19:36 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
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Ah, I remember having trouble identifying the variants I had when I got out of
my Dark Ages. I thought I was holding them wrong and trusted the catalogue(s)
As with all my old parts, the “Antiques” (pre-Dark Ages) are stored separately.
So, I have 3 Black and 1 LG SHORT 4623 (and 3 Black and 2 White long ones).
They come from
Yes, one Black is missing, I have to hunt it down.
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Found it. And he’s a shorty.
So, 4 short, 3 long in Black. That may mean 6011 was a long. Or it might not.
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| | | | | | | Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 16:45 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.
|
Gots to be honest with you, I'm still wondering. Can you post an image of
the two parts attached side by side on a 1 x 4 plate (any color)?
Just want to be certain since this part was released (according to our timeline)
five years after the LBG colour change.
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In my opinion, the additional notes are not best used to admonish sellers in
a patronizing and condescending tone.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jbroman | | Posted: | Jun 8, 2020 01:12 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
| | In my opinion, the additional notes are not best used to admonish sellers in
a patronizing and condescending tone.
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Instead of "Please be wary of the difference...", it would be better to have
"Please be aware of the difference..."
Wary means feeling or showing caution about possible dangers or problems.
Aware means knowing that something exists, or having knowledge or experience
of a particular thing.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Jun 8, 2020 02:45 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.
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Gots to be honest with you, I'm still wondering. Can you post an image of
the two parts attached side by side on a 1 x 4 plate (any color)?
Just want to be certain since this part was released (according to our timeline)
five years after the LBG colour change.
|
In my opinion, the additional notes are not best used to admonish sellers in
a patronizing and condescending tone.
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More criticism for the catalog admin team, I see.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | Jun 8, 2020 06:58 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.
|
Gots to be honest with you, I'm still wondering. Can you post an image of
the two parts attached side by side on a 1 x 4 plate (any color)?
Just want to be certain since this part was released (according to our timeline)
five years after the LBG colour change.
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In my opinion, the additional notes are not best used to admonish sellers in
a patronizing and condescending tone.
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More criticism for the catalog admin team, I see.
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An admin appears to agree that the additional notes are "fairly snarky" out of
"frustration over sellers just not getting the difference."
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1202493
In my opinion, since users aiming their frustration at admins is discouraged,
admins using the catalog to aim their frustrations at sellers should also be
discouraged.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jun 8, 2020 11:29 | | Subject: | Re: 88072 in Light Gray | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I have found this part in Light Gray, and I'll be supplying an image to the
catalog. Here is some comparison images. The car base is also Light Gray.
|
Gots to be honest with you, I'm still wondering. Can you post an image of
the two parts attached side by side on a 1 x 4 plate (any color)?
Just want to be certain since this part was released (according to our timeline)
five years after the LBG colour change.
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In my opinion, the additional notes are not best used to admonish sellers in
a patronizing and condescending tone.
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More criticism for the catalog admin team, I see.
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In this case, I think the criticism was justified.
I am happy to see that the Additional notes were updated.
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