Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | thewolf06  | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 23:55 | | Subject: | Re: DO AWAY WITH PRICE GUIDE....... | | Viewed: | 137 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | In Suggestions, thewolf06 writes:
| | This site is going in the right direction with taking away important features
like being able to compare price. I think we need to go one step further and
COMPLETELY DELETE the PRICE GUIDE. Lets take it all away, and then there is no
comparison at all.
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While they do that- they should close the site altogether too!!! :p
All due respect; when you post non-sense suggestions- BL admins do look as them,
in my experience BL staff has been helpful whenever i needed actual help and
they seem to be understaffed (probably so they won't have to raise our reasonable
seller's fees) so perhaps we can give them a break from non-sense suggestions
that may take their attention away from helping users.
I try to post my non-sense rants away from the suggestions and admin sections
so they can attend to more pressing needs.
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Well, its only as much nonsense as the rest of the posts, actually this might
make more sense. If a buyer can not compare the prices in a wanted list to other
sellers, then what is the point of a price guide? People keep trying to throw
in the, ohhhh its extra to have a good seller, its costs to have good customer
service,...... oh to pack an item correctly you have to pay more......etc etc....
Well, its very simple! TAKE THE ENTIRE PRICE GUIDE AWAY
That way, every seller can price EVERY SINGLE ITEM, based upon their own preferece
of PRICE, what kind of service they offer, packing, and sentimental value. A
simple 1x1 white brick might be 3 cents to you, but they are my favorite and
I pacakge mine in a titanium wrapper, so my brick is $75.
NO COMPARISON FEATURE, NO NEED FOR A PRICE GUIDE
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 23:45 | | Subject: | Re: DO AWAY WITH PRICE GUIDE....... | | Viewed: | 115 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | In Suggestions, thewolf06 writes:
| | This site is going in the right direction with taking away important features
like being able to compare price. I think we need to go one step further and
COMPLETELY DELETE the PRICE GUIDE. Lets take it all away, and then there is no
comparison at all.
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While they do that- they should close the site altogether too!!! :p
All due respect; when you post non-sense suggestions- BL admins do look as them,
in my experience BL staff has been helpful whenever i needed actual help and
they seem to be understaffed (probably so they won't have to raise our reasonable
seller's fees) so perhaps we can give them a break from non-sense suggestions
that may take their attention away from helping users.
I try to post my non-sense rants away from the suggestions and admin sections
so they can attend to more pressing needs.
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One thing I have noticed recently is that the site admins are reading the suggestions
and starting to process the backlog from years back. They are taking the risk
of either implementing or discarding the suggestions, and that hasn't really
been done since Dan passed away. It takes courage and a well-defined sense of
where the site is headed in order to do this, and I'm glad it's happening.
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| Author: | Heartbricker | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 23:39 | | Subject: | Re: DO AWAY WITH PRICE GUIDE....... | | Viewed: | 148 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, thewolf06 writes:
| | This site is going in the right direction with taking away important features
like being able to compare price. I think we need to go one step further and
COMPLETELY DELETE the PRICE GUIDE. Lets take it all away, and then there is no
comparison at all.
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While they do that- they should close the site altogether too!!! :p
All due respect; when you post non-sense suggestions- BL admins do look as them,
in my experience BL staff has been helpful whenever i needed actual help and
they seem to be understaffed (probably so they won't have to raise our reasonable
seller's fees) so perhaps we can give them a break from non-sense suggestions
that may take their attention away from helping users.
I try to post my non-sense rants away from the suggestions and admin sections
so they can attend to more pressing needs.
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| Author: | Burliman | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 23:39 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I voted yes.
In the end it's an ease of use feature for a buyer and should be reinstated.
The price list for a part can be sorted by lowest price, the want lists can have
6mavg populated in them and a store filter set up to ignore higher prices, you
can just take it all offline with tools like brickstock. There are still ways
to get the info, it's just harder now.
Sellers have stores on many sites. As long as inventory tools and store management
is working, they will set up shop. But, the transaction that pays BrickLink's
bills only happens on one site when the buyer pulls the trigger. It's their
loyalty you need, and a tool like this is an essential part of that.
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 23:35 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 4977-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 2033c01 Flat Silver Duplo Ladder (Fire) on Turntable Base (Complete Assembly) (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
This entry is designed for assemblies of all one color (see part inventory), and listing this counterpart in this set shows the base part of the ladder as coming in "Flat Silver". Which should really be LBG anyway - but the base only came in Black, Yellow, and Dark Gray.
Please note the change log for this assembly:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemItemID=53810
Admin originally added it to all sets with ladders, but then deleted the ones where two colors were represented.
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 23:25 | | Subject: | Re: DO AWAY WITH PRICE GUIDE....... | | Viewed: | 117 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, thewolf06 writes:
| | This site is going in the right direction with taking away important features
like being able to compare price. I think we need to go one step further and
COMPLETELY DELETE the PRICE GUIDE. Lets take it all away, and then there is no
comparison at all.
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LOL!
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| Author: | thewolf06 | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 23:22 | | Subject: | DO AWAY WITH PRICE GUIDE....... | | Viewed: | 405 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Discarded | |
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| This site is going in the right direction with taking away important features
like being able to compare price. I think we need to go one step further and
COMPLETELY DELETE the PRICE GUIDE. Lets take it all away, and then there is no
comparison at all.
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 23:20 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Excellent suggestion, thanks for raising the issue. I can't see how more
information is going to be bad for stores. They want happy customers, not people
who are sad about having paid too much.
And in case this feature is NOT re-implemented, there IS a channel directly to
the catalog via the large images in a store. This didn't used to be there
either years ago.
Russell
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| Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 23:02 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| If we keep prices high we will keep the larger stores we will keep the larger
stores because they will continue to make a profit. I think we'll lose the
smaller stores because in the absence of easy price comparison tool Buyers would
be more likely to shop stores with a larger selection.
If we keep prices low, we will lose the big stores because it is no longer profitable
for them. If we lose the big stores, the prices of Lego will increase because
of lower supply. With the increase of prices it becomes profitable again for
larger stores to open. With more stores the prices go down again. I think this
price fluctuation will continue until a point of equilibrium where smaller stores
price just below average because they sell on price, and larger stores will sell
at just above average because they sell on quantity.
In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Honest question, do Sellers pay a surcharge on every piece they sell?
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Selling LEGO on BL roughly goes like this (assuming you are talking about parts):
- Seller buys LEGO somewhere.
- If it comes in sealed sets (for instance, if seller buys LEGO at Walmart),
the sets get "parted out" using either BL or 3rd party tools;
- If it comes as a pile of unsorted parts (like from Craigslist), parts need
to be cleaned, checked for "usability", cataloged and uploaded;
- After part-out and/or upload, the parts need to be stored in the seller's
physical inventory.
- When an order comes in, seller needs to pick the parts, pack and ship.
The reason I detail this here is that _every_ step above carries an additional
cost. Every step takes time. Some steps take a _lot_ of time (if done correctly).
And at sale time, BL (and most times Paypal) take a cut of the pie.
For a shop trying to make a profit, the cost in time is often overlooked, but
can be very significant. Again, ask larger shops. The actual purchase price s
just a tiny part of the cost to run a shop.
If you add up the costs of all the steps, you can easily see why having sellers
who buy product for $X and then sell for $X+5% can really hurt other shops.
Niek.
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 22:26 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 3613-1 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part {Flat Silver to Dark Gray} 2033 Duplo Ladder (Fire)
* Change 1 Part {Flat Silver to Dark Gray} 4567c02 Duplo Ladder (Fire) Turntable Base (2 x 4 Plate with Holder, Complete Assembly)
* Change 1 Part {Flat Silver to Dark Gray} 2033c01 Duplo Ladder (Fire) on Turntable Base (Complete Assembly) (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Please see following post.
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Most definitely Dark Gray. See image. Also notice current listings for sale:
In all three cases there are several Dark Gray listings despite the fact that
no inventory has Dark Gray.
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 22:14 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 3613-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part {Flat Silver to Dark Gray} 2033 Duplo Ladder (Fire)
* Change 1 Part {Flat Silver to Dark Gray} 4567c02 Duplo Ladder (Fire) Turntable Base (2 x 4 Plate with Holder, Complete Assembly)
* Change 1 Part {Flat Silver to Dark Gray} 2033c01 Duplo Ladder (Fire) on Turntable Base (Complete Assembly) (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Please see following post.
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| Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 22:05 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| This is where I think you are a little confused.
If I as builder decide that I don't need a bag of parts, then I can list
them in my store for whatever price I want. I'm probably less inclined to
factor in costs.
However, if I invest money to obtain a great deal of product, then there's
a set amount I need just to break even. There's generally a substantially
greater cost in being able to offer a vast selection of parts for a buyer to
choose from and that investment must be recouped plus profit for the seller to
continue to operate.
What's happening is the amount of profit has shrunk by a very significant
amount over the past decade that operating a store in not as beneficial.
This will lead to problems buying individual Lego pieces at some point, if the
trend continues.
Example: 10-13 years ago I had no problem buying sets with a part out value of
3-5x what I paid, which allowed room to discount slow moving parts.
Now, I would be lucky to get 2x and that doesn't allow much room for adjustments
when you factor in all costs.
In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | I guess that's where I get a little flustered. I wish I could remember where
but I saw that Bricklink started out because one Lego hobbyist had a bunch of
extra pieces that they decided to sell because they didn't need them. Those
hobbyist keep the average price per piece down. They get rid of their extra
pieces, they make a small profit. But its the big stores, whose hobby is to
sell Lego pieces, that are driving prices artificially high. Without the average
pricing tool we allow them to set their own profit margin. If they sold at the
same price as the hobbyist, their profits would be smaller. But it would be
a profit. And I would that if those big stores sold at an average price their
sales would increase. It may not increase enough to make up for the original
lost profit but they would still make a bigger profit than the hobbyist by virtue
of selling more product. I don't think I should pay $1.48 for piece because
the store has the quantity I need and the average price is $0.30. That markup
isn't for the Seller to make a profit, that markup is a blatant overprice.
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| Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 21:50 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I guess that's where I get a little flustered. I wish I could remember where
but I saw that Bricklink started out because one Lego hobbyist had a bunch of
extra pieces that they decided to sell because they didn't need them. Those
hobbyist keep the average price per piece down. They get rid of their extra
pieces, they make a small profit. But its the big stores, whose hobby is to
sell Lego pieces, that are driving prices artificially high. Without the average
pricing tool we allow them to set their own profit margin. If they sold at the
same price as the hobbyist, their profits would be smaller. But it would be
a profit. And I would that if those big stores sold at an average price their
sales would increase. It may not increase enough to make up for the original
lost profit but they would still make a bigger profit than the hobbyist by virtue
of selling more product. I don't think I should pay $1.48 for piece because
the store has the quantity I need and the average price is $0.30. That markup
isn't for the Seller to make a profit, that markup is a blatant overprice.
In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing? I would argue that my buying habits are adjusting pieces to be
more in line with actual price.
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A normal (ideal?) market mechanism would have prices settle at what the buyer
is willing to pay. In an earlier post from yourself, you literally said that
you were happy to pay $50 for the order you were about to place, until you saw
that you could get parts for less. A "settled" market would therefore be at $50
(assuming you are the average buyer). There is no such thing as "actual price",
unless you are comparing with TLG, and then you will see that the vast majority
of parts are way cheaper on BL. If you define "actual price" to be the price
people are happy to pay, then you have made my point for me.
BrickLink has stopped being a normal market a while ago. Prices are no longer
determined by what people think is a fair price. Again, you said so yourself.
Prices are more and more determined by sellers trying to get orders in, almost
at any cost (no pun intended). This is not what a healthy market should look
like.
I can't fault buyers going for the lowest price. Heck, I will "shop around"
for certain products as well. But you can ask any long-time seller, the current
market is making it increasingly difficult to sustain a healthy profit margin,
and that is what it is all about for shops who are on here for the long haul.
If this trend doesn't turn around one way or another, there won't be
any incentive for larger shops to invest any resources into a BL shop.
Niek.
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| Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 21:48 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Honest question, do Sellers pay a surcharge on every piece they sell?
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Selling LEGO on BL roughly goes like this (assuming you are talking about parts):
- Seller buys LEGO somewhere.
- If it comes in sealed sets (for instance, if seller buys LEGO at Walmart),
the sets get "parted out" using either BL or 3rd party tools;
- If it comes as a pile of unsorted parts (like from Craigslist), parts need
to be cleaned, checked for "usability", cataloged and uploaded;
- After part-out and/or upload, the parts need to be stored in the seller's
physical inventory.
- When an order comes in, seller needs to pick the parts, pack and ship.
The reason I detail this here is that _every_ step above carries an additional
cost. Every step takes time. Some steps take a _lot_ of time (if done correctly).
And at sale time, BL (and most times Paypal) take a cut of the pie.
For a shop trying to make a profit, the cost in time is often overlooked, but
can be very significant. Again, ask larger shops. The actual purchase price s
just a tiny part of the cost to run a shop.
If you add up the costs of all the steps, you can easily see why having sellers
who buy product for $X and then sell for $X+5% can really hurt other shops.
Niek.
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| Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 21:37 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Sellers pay the fees on BL which is a percentage of the order price (before shipping).
This is in addition to the fee that PayPal charges to accept payment (that fee
is on the full total).
In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Honest question, do Sellers pay a surcharge on every piece they sell?
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| Author: | picabo | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 21:36 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, M.Boss writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Honest question, do Sellers pay a surcharge on every piece they sell?
In Suggestions, M.Boss writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing?
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It's a bad thing for everyone if the price keeps getting lower. Bad for sellers
as lowering margins means no profits and having to close their doors. Eventually
this will hurt buyers as there will be less and less stores carrying the parts
they need, and the parts will cost more than they will now, because of the few
stores carrying parts.
My thoughts,
M.Boss
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Plus Paypal fees on the total including on the shipping fees.
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| Author: | M.Boss | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 21:34 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Honest question, do Sellers pay a surcharge on every piece they sell?
In Suggestions, M.Boss writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing?
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It's a bad thing for everyone if the price keeps getting lower. Bad for sellers
as lowering margins means no profits and having to close their doors. Eventually
this will hurt buyers as there will be less and less stores carrying the parts
they need, and the parts will cost more than they will now, because of the few
stores carrying parts.
My thoughts,
M.Boss
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Yes, see https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=38&q=Fees
M.Boss
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| Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 21:30 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Honest question, do Sellers pay a surcharge on every piece they sell?
In Suggestions, M.Boss writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing?
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It's a bad thing for everyone if the price keeps getting lower. Bad for sellers
as lowering margins means no profits and having to close their doors. Eventually
this will hurt buyers as there will be less and less stores carrying the parts
they need, and the parts will cost more than they will now, because of the few
stores carrying parts.
My thoughts,
M.Boss
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| Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 21:26 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing? I would argue that my buying habits are adjusting pieces to be
more in line with actual price.
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A normal (ideal?) market mechanism would have prices settle at what the buyer
is willing to pay. In an earlier post from yourself, you literally said that
you were happy to pay $50 for the order you were about to place, until you saw
that you could get parts for less. A "settled" market would therefore be at $50
(assuming you are the average buyer). There is no such thing as "actual price",
unless you are comparing with TLG, and then you will see that the vast majority
of parts are way cheaper on BL. If you define "actual price" to be the price
people are happy to pay, then you have made my point for me.
BrickLink has stopped being a normal market a while ago. Prices are no longer
determined by what people think is a fair price. Again, you said so yourself.
Prices are more and more determined by sellers trying to get orders in, almost
at any cost (no pun intended). This is not what a healthy market should look
like.
I can't fault buyers going for the lowest price. Heck, I will "shop around"
for certain products as well. But you can ask any long-time seller, the current
market is making it increasingly difficult to sustain a healthy profit margin,
and that is what it is all about for shops who are on here for the long haul.
If this trend doesn't turn around one way or another, there won't be
any incentive for larger shops to invest any resources into a BL shop.
Niek.
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| Author: | M.Boss | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 21:26 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing?
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It's a bad thing for everyone if the price keeps getting lower. Bad for sellers
as lowering margins means no profits and having to close their doors. Eventually
this will hurt buyers as there will be less and less stores carrying the parts
they need, and the parts will cost more than they will now, because of the few
stores carrying parts.
My thoughts,
M.Boss
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| Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 20:50 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing? I would argue that my buying habits are adjusting pieces to be
more in line with actual price. Someone else mentioned on this thread that Lego
is booming, prices are sky rocketing. But those high prices are only hurting
the hobbyist. I don't buy Lego to part out, I buy Lego for my little 8 year
old Winter Village. I really like my Winter Village, but I don't above average
like it. With the average pricing tool I would buy Lego at or around the
average actual price. Without the average pricing tool I am more likely to shop
at stores with larger inventory and higher prices for the convenience of not
having to manually compare 100s of pieces against 100s of stores. And that price
of convenience is what is driving the price of Lego artificially high. Not having
the average pricing tool is just hiding the fact that Lego pieces are artificially
expensive.
Vote to bring back the average pricing tool here, upper left corner: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Marc - I've heard a few mentions now of how the Price Guide has impacted
prices. Can you give me an example of where a Buyer with easy access to an average
price of a piece negatively impacted the actual price of a piece?
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Well, _you_ are a prime example of this effect. You said yourself that you used
this feature to buy pieces at the lowest price. When you make that buy, it will
get added to the price guide. As it is (presumably) below the last 6 month average,
the newly calculated L6MA will go down. For some items, it will go down a tiny
bit (because that part might see a lot of sales, and your one buy will not make
a big difference), for other items it will have a bigger effect.
A lot of sellers use this last 6 month average to price their items, partly (or
maybe mostly?) because if they don't, they will lose sales from buyers like
you. So they start pricing below L6MA, you buy, L6MA drops, people adjust, you
buy, etc.
This is not rocket science, it is easy to see how that works. How much the shown
average influences people's buying pattern is hard to say, but again you
yourself stated very clearly it is an important factor in where you place your
orders. If there are a lot of people that bought using that metric, L6MA will
definitely drop.
Whether removing this info will stop prices being driven down I cannot say. I
doubt even BL will be able to say. But your story clearly shows removing it _could_
slow down the drop of prices.
Niek.
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| Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 20:16 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| For those of you who may have difficulty finding where to vote, please follow
the link below. In the upper left under the author information is a voting box.
Yes - Bring back the average pricing tool
No - ... can't think of a reason not too...
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally. Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
Thanks!
-Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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| Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 19:50 | | Subject: | Re: Mass coupons | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| If you're willing to leave the cozy bosom of Bricklink, you can use bulk
email software like http://bulkmailerpro.com or http://directmailmac.com. I have
no idea what the BL store admin side of the equation would be, but mass emails
are pretty simple.
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| Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 19:49 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I was just pondering how I've changed as a buyer over my years as an AFOL
and there was a time when I wouldn't think twice about paying MSRP for a
new set I wanted. Now I look at those prices and think, 'wow $__ is a bit
steep for a x-wing or millennium falcon, etc' or 'that's really cool,
but not that cool.'
With cost of living and such, I don't think what I take home is much different
than 14 years ago*, yet my whole perspective of the cost of Lego has changed.
I wonder if it is different for many others, as well.
*hopefully I'll finally make that change when I finish school
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| Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 19:34 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| That's a really troubling idea, but we may just need a really bold move (or
moves) to turn the market around.
| | Now what _would_ be a total game changer, is the removal of _all_ price guide
info. Try and wrap your head around that one. There are precious few market places
where you get any access to this type of info. It would be interesting to see
what would happen to item prices in that case. No more "part-out" - "set prices
at L6MA-30%" - "go" - "hope-to-get-rich-now".
Niek.
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| Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 19:15 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | As you are most likely aware, this has been going on long before the feature
was offered. Back when we had sellers like ShackyShuffle and House of Logos
listing at what appeared to be near or below cost, which satisfied many people's
desire for cheap Lego and the constant price wars between HoL and a select few
stores. We have 10 or so years of damage and so many hands in the pot now that
I don't think removing this feature will help recover the market.
It might slow the bleeding, but the wound is quite large and will likely continue
to grow and fester. (maybe a slightly gross analogy, but that's what I came
up with)
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Yup. Totally agree. The downward spiral has been there for a while. With the
ever-rising (so it seems) popularity of LEGO, more and more people jump on the
bandwagon to profit from the LEGO success, as is also evident from the growing
number of posts of people wanting to know how to make money (and even how to
make a living selling parts).
The sheer popularity of LEGO has become both a blessing and a curse for this
site. I can see BL trying to figure out how to keep making money by tweaking
their software. Get more buyers on board, sure. But try and keep the profit-per-item
up as well is going to be hard (if not impossible). If the amount of product
traded is rising, but the prices-per-item are falling quicker, this ship is going
to sink. Simple economics.
BL is the only one who can see what is happening in the larger picture. I for
one hope they can stay afloat, and better yet, grow. That is in the interest
of all here, buyers and sellers. Whether removing pricing info is going to work
(assuming this is actually done in light of the situation described here, for
lack of any word from our overlords) is anyone's guess. We will see.
Now what _would_ be a total game changer, is the removal of _all_ price guide
info. Try and wrap your head around that one. There are precious few market places
where you get any access to this type of info. It would be interesting to see
what would happen to item prices in that case. No more "part-out" - "set prices
at L6MA-30%" - "go" - "hope-to-get-rich-now".
Niek.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 19:11 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally.
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Thanks for that info.
| | Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
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I’d like it back… if it’s clearly stated how it is calculated (we had much trouble
figuring it out when the feature appeared).
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| Author: | Admin_Jaclyn | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 19:03 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 403 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally. Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
Thanks!
-Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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| Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 18:45 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| As you are most likely aware, this has been going on long before the feature
was offered. Back when we had sellers like ShackyShuffle and House of Logos
listing at what appeared to be near or below cost, which satisfied many people's
desire for cheap Lego and the constant price wars between HoL and a select few
stores. We have 10 or so years of damage and so many hands in the pot now that
I don't think removing this feature will help recover the market.
It might slow the bleeding, but the wound is quite large and will likely continue
to grow and fester. (maybe a slightly gross analogy, but that's what I came
up with)
| | Whether removing this info will stop prices being driven down I cannot say. I
doubt even BL will be able to say. But your story clearly shows removing it _could_
slow down the drop of prices.
Niek.
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| Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 18:08 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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One thing that I am missing from this discussion is that the price comparison
tool was fundamentally flawed and gave buyers a misleading sense of confidence.
In many situations it gave a meaningless result. Depending on your wanted list
settings it could be comparing parts in different colors and used with new without
any description anywhere on the site on what was being shown. Also, there are
huge differences in price if you look at the average listed for sale versus the
average sold, and the average versus the qty average.
If you were looking at parts in "any condition" and "any color" then you could
be comparing a new part in a rare colour to an used part in a common colour.
In that situation the price might seem to be outrageously high while it could
be the cheapest on BrickLink.
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| Author: | BricksShop | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 17:54 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8159-1 | | Viewed: | 13 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 50950pb015L Red Slope, Curved 3 x 1 No Studs with Black Togokahn Pattern, Model Back Left (Sticker) - Set 8159 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 50950pb105R Red Slope, Curved 3 x 1 No Studs with Black Togokahn Pattern, Model Back, Middle Right (Sticker) - Set 8159 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 50950pb105L Red Slope, Curved 3 x 1 No Studs with Black Togokahn Pattern, Model Back, Middle Left (Sticker) - Set 8159 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 50950pb097L Red Slope, Curved 3 x 1 No Studs with Black Togokahn Pattern, Model Middle Left (Sticker) - Set 8159 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part BA50pb01L Yellow Stickered Assembly 1 x 6 x 1 1/3 with Yellow '9' on Round Black Background Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 8159 - 1 Plate 1 x 4, 1 Brick 1 x 4 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part BA50pb01R Yellow Stickered Assembly 1 x 6 x 1 1/3 with Yellow '9' on Round Black Background Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 8159 - 1 Plate 1 x 4, 1 Brick 1 x 4 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 6636pb147 Red Tile 1 x 6 with Black Togokahn Pattern, Model Front #2 (Sticker) - Set 8159 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 43721pb03 Red Wedge 4 x 2 Sloped Left with Exhaust Pattern (Sticker) - Set 8159 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 43720pb03 Red Wedge 4 x 2 Sloped Right with Exhaust Pattern (Sticker) - Set 8159 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
instruction - page 12+18+19+27+29
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| Author: | BricksShop | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 17:45 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 42002-1 | | Viewed: | 10 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 6239pb064 Dark Bluish Gray Tail Shuttle with Light Bluish Gray Checkered Pattern on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 42002 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Instruction 1 - page 45
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| Author: | BricksShop | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 17:42 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8864-1 | | Viewed: | 8 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 54200pb081R Red Slope 30 1 x 1 x 2/3 with White 'WR' World Racer Logo Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 8864 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 54200pb081L Red Slope 30 1 x 1 x 2/3 with White 'WR' World Racer Logo Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 8864 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Instruction 1 - page 54
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| Author: | BricksShop | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 17:40 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8864-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 50956pb030 Lime Wedge 10 x 3 Right with 'KYOTO ZURUHAI' and Switches Pattern (Stickers) - Set 8864 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 50955pb030 Lime Wedge 10 x 3 Left with 'KYOTO ZURUHNI' and switches (Stickers) - Set 8864 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 50943pb10 Light Bluish Gray Vehicle, Air Scoop Top 2 x 2 with Red Skull with White Stripes Pattern (Sticker) - Set 8864 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 4150pb179 Black Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Light Bluish Gray Air Inlet Pattern (Sticker) - Set 8864 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 87086pb035 Green Technic, Panel Fairing # 2 Small Smooth Short, Side B with '21' and 'KYOTO' Pattern (Sticker) - Set 8864 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 87080pb035 Green Technic, Panel Fairing # 1 Small Smooth Short, Side A with '21' and 'KYOTO' Pattern (Sticker) - Set 8864 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 30602pb090R Red Slope, Curved 2 x 2 Lip, No Studs with Exhaust Outlet and Dirt and Black Stripe Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 8864 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 30602pb090L Red Slope, Curved 2 x 2 Lip, No Studs with Exhaust Outlet and Dirt and Black Stripe Pattern Model Leftt Side (Sticker) - Set 8864 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 30602pb091R Red Slope, Curved 2 x 2 Lip, No Studs with Exhaust Outlet and Dirt and Black and White Stripes Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 8864 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 30602pb091L Red Slope, Curved 2 x 2 Lip, No Studs with Exhaust Outlet and Dirt and Black and White Stripes Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 8864 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3684pb017 Black Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 with Cross Hair, Buttons and Switches Pattern (Sticker) - Set 8864 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Instruction 1 - page 15+19+22+25+43+45+53
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| Author: | bobbyworld | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 17:24 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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I vote mostly yes. But if use bricklink's automatic store finder by best
value its pretty much going to find you the cheapest. One of the things I liked
about % feature that i will miss is when I pick the stores I can pick and choose
what parts to order based on how much each part costs at their store compared
to average, but usually I would pay a higher % so I wouldn't have to place
another order with another store.
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| Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 17:11 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Marc - I've heard a few mentions now of how the Price Guide has impacted
prices. Can you give me an example of where a Buyer with easy access to an average
price of a piece negatively impacted the actual price of a piece?
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Well, _you_ are a prime example of this effect. You said yourself that you used
this feature to buy pieces at the lowest price. When you make that buy, it will
get added to the price guide. As it is (presumably) below the last 6 month average,
the newly calculated L6MA will go down. For some items, it will go down a tiny
bit (because that part might see a lot of sales, and your one buy will not make
a big difference), for other items it will have a bigger effect.
A lot of sellers use this last 6 month average to price their items, partly (or
maybe mostly?) because if they don't, they will lose sales from buyers like
you. So they start pricing below L6MA, you buy, L6MA drops, people adjust, you
buy, etc.
This is not rocket science, it is easy to see how that works. How much the shown
average influences people's buying pattern is hard to say, but again you
yourself stated very clearly it is an important factor in where you place your
orders. If there are a lot of people that bought using that metric, L6MA will
definitely drop.
Whether removing this info will stop prices being driven down I cannot say. I
doubt even BL will be able to say. But your story clearly shows removing it _could_
slow down the drop of prices.
Niek.
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 16:01 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 4977-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 58497c01 Black Duplo Hose 11L with Over-the-Stud-Size Rubber End & Stud-Size Pearl Light Gray End
* Delete 1 Part 58498c01 Black Duplo Hose with Rubber End and Light Bluish Gray Nozzle
Comments from Submitter:
These two lines are superfluous. Once the other lines are corrected, all three possibilities will be accounted for: 1) old hose with PLG ends 2)new hose with PLG end and 3) new hose with LBG end.
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| Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 15:55 | | Subject: | Re: Mass coupons | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, legoman84 writes:
| | I wish there was a way to send out coupons to multiple BrickLink memebers at
one time.
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Admin removed this feature years ago to prevent mass spamming with coupons.
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 15:54 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 4977-1 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part {Light Bluish Gray to Black} {58497c01 Duplo Hose 11L with Over-the-Stud-Size Rubber End & Stud-Size Pearl Light Gray End to 58497c02 Duplo Hose 11L with Over-the-Stud-Size Rubber End & Stud-Size Light Bluish Gray End} (Alternate)
* Change 1 Part {Light Bluish Gray to Black} 58498c01 Duplo Hose with Rubber End and Light Bluish Gray Nozzle (Alternate)
Comments from Submitter:
A couple of preliminary changes. The hoses here are called by their hose color. The color of the endings is stated in the Item Name.
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| Author: | legoman84 | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 15:48 | | Subject: | Mass coupons | | Viewed: | 111 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Already Exists | |
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| I wish there was a way to send out coupons to multiple BrickLink memebers at
one time.
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| Author: | bb597546 | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 15:28 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thaum writes:
| | In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Voted yes. This was a great feature that made it easier to choose a store.
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Voted yes. I could only second this. It made it easier to choose a store
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+1 from us.
Mike & Melissa
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| Author: | MrDrem | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 15:27 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, MrDrem writes:
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Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
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I'd argue that there is now a discrepancy between sellers, who have access
to tools like BrickStock that automates pricing against 6 month averages, and
buyers, who no longer do.
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Buyers can use BrickStock. (And I believe that most sellers do not.)
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To be honest, I'd not thought of using it as a buyer, seeing it as a sellers
tool, but I can see how I can do so on reflection. Thanks for the suggestion.
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| Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 15:02 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| |
Thanks Marc - What I hear is the invisible hand of the marketplace is very visible
on Bricklink, it is the hand of profit. Limit the amount of information provided
to the Buyers and the Sellers will profit.
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I'm not really sure what that means.
BrickLink's presumed motive is to be successful. That usually translates
into being profitable (though the owner is a billionaire, and I can't presume
to know what he wants).
Note that BrickLink making a lot of money is different than sellers making a
lot of money. So, your description above does not match what I was describing
at all. BrickLink will do what is in BrickLink's best interest. Sometimes
that is also in the best interest of buyers, sometimes it's in the best interest
of sellers, sometimes both, and sometimes neither.
--
Marc.
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Thanks Marc - perhaps we're thinking along two different lines. I think
what I'd really like this thread to consider is; does removing the average
price tool benefit Buyers or Sellers? Take away everything else - profit, loss,
Bricklinks goals, opinions - take away everything and answer. Does removing
the average price tool benefit Buyers or Sellers?
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It's complicated.
In the short term, it benefits some sellers and not others. (Sellers who have
been racing to the bottom for prices will likely see fewer orders now, while
sellers with more sustainable prices may see a slight increase.) In the long
term, this probably a benefit to both groups of sellers, as prices should stabilize,
which means that even with fewer orders, profits could stay the same or improve.
In the short term, this is not a benefit the buyers who used this information.
In the long term, it probably is a benefit to all buyers, because it will allow
for a more diverse market. Sellers who stock rare parts are less likely to be
driven out of the market.
--
Marc.
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Hi Marc - I've heard a few mentions now of how the Price Guide has impacted
prices. Can you give me an example of where a Buyer with easy access to an average
price of a piece negatively impacted the actual price of a piece?
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| Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 14:56 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, MrDrem writes:
| | | |
Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
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I'd argue that there is now a discrepancy between sellers, who have access
to tolls like BrickStock that automates pricing against 6 month averages, and
buyers, who no longer do.
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Buyers can use BrickStock. (And I believe that most sellers do not.)
| | If Bricklink want a reason to bring it back, here's one. Whilst the tool
was there, it made it so much easier for me to sanity check prices on my orders
that I didn't look elsewhere. Its what kept me shopping within Bricklink.
There is now no difference in the buying experience between here and BrickOwl
that I can see so far, except that BrickOwl has a nicer interface.
You want me to keep shopping here, make it easy for me to confirm my deal is
OK.
Even if all you tell me is that my overall order price is below or above the
average price.
I don't think that the sellers arguing here would say that they want to participate
in a economy that is rigged for either side, would they?
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I have long argued that BL's policies have favored sellers over buyers, and
that this is mostly a bad thing. In this particular case, I'm on the fence
about how significant it is. I think it pales in comparison to the imbalance
in feedback policies, order cancellation, additional fees, shipping fee transparency,
and other policies.
As to whether you (or anyone else) buys here or on the other site, I'm sure
it matters to BrickLink, but it doesn't matter to me as a seller. I sell
the same inventory for the same price on both sites.
--
Marc.
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Hi again Marc - As a Seller if it doesn't matter to you, then could you support
me as a Buyer? Vote yes to bring it back. Makes no difference to you, but it
helps me out.
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As I mentioned, the votes don't matter. BrickLink created this feature because
they thought it would be a good thing overall. Lots of people complained about
it when it launched. BrickLink didn't care. They made their decision based
on their own information and analysis.
Now they have deleted that feature. Lots of people are complaining about its
disappearance. BrickLink doesn't care. They made their decision based on
their own information and analysis.
I believe that the only way this feature is coming back is if deleting it was
a mistake. It's perfectly possible this is a bug, and the feature was not
supposed to disappear. If that's the case, it will be back in a few days,
regardless of what discussion happens here. On the other hand, if the change
was deliberate, then it was based on a 9-month trial, and the feature was considered
to be a failure. In that case, it's gone.
--
Marc.
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| Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 14:51 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| |
Thanks Marc - What I hear is the invisible hand of the marketplace is very visible
on Bricklink, it is the hand of profit. Limit the amount of information provided
to the Buyers and the Sellers will profit.
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I'm not really sure what that means.
BrickLink's presumed motive is to be successful. That usually translates
into being profitable (though the owner is a billionaire, and I can't presume
to know what he wants).
Note that BrickLink making a lot of money is different than sellers making a
lot of money. So, your description above does not match what I was describing
at all. BrickLink will do what is in BrickLink's best interest. Sometimes
that is also in the best interest of buyers, sometimes it's in the best interest
of sellers, sometimes both, and sometimes neither.
--
Marc.
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Thanks Marc - perhaps we're thinking along two different lines. I think
what I'd really like this thread to consider is; does removing the average
price tool benefit Buyers or Sellers? Take away everything else - profit, loss,
Bricklinks goals, opinions - take away everything and answer. Does removing
the average price tool benefit Buyers or Sellers?
|
It's complicated.
In the short term, it benefits some sellers and not others. (Sellers who have
been racing to the bottom for prices will likely see fewer orders now, while
sellers with more sustainable prices may see a slight increase.) In the long
term, this probably a benefit to both groups of sellers, as prices should stabilize,
which means that even with fewer orders, profits could stay the same or improve.
In the short term, this is not a benefit the buyers who used this information.
In the long term, it probably is a benefit to all buyers, because it will allow
for a more diverse market. Sellers who stock rare parts are less likely to be
driven out of the market.
--
Marc.
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| Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 14:45 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I've tried to get a handle on BrickOwl, but I find it to be extremely unpleasant
to navigate and make use of it's features. This could just be a cause of
my 14+ years on BL making it difficult to switch.
| | There is now no difference in the buying experience between here and BrickOwl
that I can see so far, except that BrickOwl has a nicer interface.
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| Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 14:39 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, MrDrem writes:
| | | |
Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
|
I'd argue that there is now a discrepancy between sellers, who have access
to tolls like BrickStock that automates pricing against 6 month averages, and
buyers, who no longer do.
|
Buyers can use BrickStock. (And I believe that most sellers do not.)
| | If Bricklink want a reason to bring it back, here's one. Whilst the tool
was there, it made it so much easier for me to sanity check prices on my orders
that I didn't look elsewhere. Its what kept me shopping within Bricklink.
There is now no difference in the buying experience between here and BrickOwl
that I can see so far, except that BrickOwl has a nicer interface.
You want me to keep shopping here, make it easy for me to confirm my deal is
OK.
Even if all you tell me is that my overall order price is below or above the
average price.
I don't think that the sellers arguing here would say that they want to participate
in a economy that is rigged for either side, would they?
|
I have long argued that BL's policies have favored sellers over buyers, and
that this is mostly a bad thing. In this particular case, I'm on the fence
about how significant it is. I think it pales in comparison to the imbalance
in feedback policies, order cancellation, additional fees, shipping fee transparency,
and other policies.
As to whether you (or anyone else) buys here or on the other site, I'm sure
it matters to BrickLink, but it doesn't matter to me as a seller. I sell
the same inventory for the same price on both sites.
--
Marc.
|
Hi again Marc - As a Seller if it doesn't matter to you, then could you support
me as a Buyer? Vote yes to bring it back. Makes no difference to you, but it
helps me out.
|
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| Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 14:37 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| |
Thanks Marc - What I hear is the invisible hand of the marketplace is very visible
on Bricklink, it is the hand of profit. Limit the amount of information provided
to the Buyers and the Sellers will profit.
|
I'm not really sure what that means.
BrickLink's presumed motive is to be successful. That usually translates
into being profitable (though the owner is a billionaire, and I can't presume
to know what he wants).
Note that BrickLink making a lot of money is different than sellers making a
lot of money. So, your description above does not match what I was describing
at all. BrickLink will do what is in BrickLink's best interest. Sometimes
that is also in the best interest of buyers, sometimes it's in the best interest
of sellers, sometimes both, and sometimes neither.
--
Marc.
|
Thanks Marc - perhaps we're thinking along two different lines. I think
what I'd really like this thread to consider is; does removing the average
price tool benefit Buyers or Sellers? Take away everything else - profit, loss,
Bricklinks goals, opinions - take away everything and answer. Does removing
the average price tool benefit Buyers or Sellers?
Cast your votes here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
|
|
| Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 14:36 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| In Suggestions, MrDrem writes:
| | | |
Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
|
I'd argue that there is now a discrepancy between sellers, who have access
to tolls like BrickStock that automates pricing against 6 month averages, and
buyers, who no longer do.
|
Buyers can use BrickStock. (And I believe that most sellers do not.)
| | If Bricklink want a reason to bring it back, here's one. Whilst the tool
was there, it made it so much easier for me to sanity check prices on my orders
that I didn't look elsewhere. Its what kept me shopping within Bricklink.
There is now no difference in the buying experience between here and BrickOwl
that I can see so far, except that BrickOwl has a nicer interface.
You want me to keep shopping here, make it easy for me to confirm my deal is
OK.
Even if all you tell me is that my overall order price is below or above the
average price.
I don't think that the sellers arguing here would say that they want to participate
in a economy that is rigged for either side, would they?
|
I have long argued that BL's policies have favored sellers over buyers, and
that this is mostly a bad thing. In this particular case, I'm on the fence
about how significant it is. I think it pales in comparison to the imbalance
in feedback policies, order cancellation, additional fees, shipping fee transparency,
and other policies.
As to whether you (or anyone else) buys here or on the other site, I'm sure
it matters to BrickLink, but it doesn't matter to me as a seller. I sell
the same inventory for the same price on both sites.
--
Marc.
|
|
| Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 14:27 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| |
Thanks Marc - What I hear is the invisible hand of the marketplace is very visible
on Bricklink, it is the hand of profit. Limit the amount of information provided
to the Buyers and the Sellers will profit.
|
I'm not really sure what that means.
BrickLink's presumed motive is to be successful. That usually translates
into being profitable (though the owner is a billionaire, and I can't presume
to know what he wants).
Note that BrickLink making a lot of money is different than sellers making a
lot of money. So, your description above does not match what I was describing
at all. BrickLink will do what is in BrickLink's best interest. Sometimes
that is also in the best interest of buyers, sometimes it's in the best interest
of sellers, sometimes both, and sometimes neither.
--
Marc.
|
|
| Author: | MrDrem | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 13:46 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| | |
Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
|
I'd argue that there is now a discrepancy between sellers, who have access
to tolls like BrickStock that automates pricing against 6 month averages, and
buyers, who no longer do.
If Bricklink want a reason to bring it back, here's one. Whilst the tool
was there, it made it so much easier for me to sanity check prices on my orders
that I didn't look elsewhere. Its what kept me shopping within Bricklink.
There is now no difference in the buying experience between here and BrickOwl
that I can see so far, except that BrickOwl has a nicer interface.
You want me to keep shopping here, make it easy for me to confirm my deal is
OK.
Even if all you tell me is that my overall order price is below or above the
average price.
I don't think that the sellers arguing here would say that they want to participate
in a economy that is rigged for either side, would they?
|
|
| Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 13:34 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | If you allow me to take one sentence out of your reply:
| | I had a $50 cart and what I thought was a great deal.
|
This is _exactly_ why others would argue to have that feature removed. And if
you allow me to quote another tidbit from a different thread you posted:
| | Because I can't imagine the site administrators would knowingly remove the feature and allow the happy wonderful Lego fans through out the world who have gathered together here in the safe and welcoming site that is Bricklink to be knowingly ripped off. Some dude last week tried to charge me $2.00 for a 35 cent piece. It was an odd piece, I needed it. But I didn't '500% make up' need it. I can't keep track of the average price of 1000s of pieces
|
You have to understand that nobody is trying to rip you off by pricing items
in a certain way. That price is there to see and agree with or not.
I fully understand that automatically comparing prices to the last 6 month average
makes it easier to pick the best deal, but by doing this. BrickLink is actively
helping to push prices down. Shops that have priced items reasonably will see
that over time they will lose out on orders because others will undercut the
prices, and buyers will more and more favor the lower-priced options, thus further
put pressure on the L6MA. Stores that don't constantly adjust their prices
will eventually maybe show 500% above average. That does NOT mean they are ripping
buyers off.
The price comparison feature was introduced some time in the last year. Before
that, people were able to buy their LEGO just fine, but there can't be much
doubt that this feature was helping the downward spiral of item prices. This
is not in the interest of BrickLink, and not in the interest of the sellers.
And if you think about it, in the long run it is also not in the interest of
buyers. Many larger shops are feeling the pressure, and have to think about whether
this is still a market that is worthwhile to pursue. Sure, if they close shop,
others will fill the void, but it will be more and more of the lowest-prices-quick-sale-goodbye
shops. And that is not good for anyone.
Just my $0.02.
Niek.
|
Thanks Niek, I think I understand where you are coming from. It's like the
big box stores putting the Mom and Pop shops out of business by undercutting
prices. I get it. But I think the inverse is also true. Back to my gold piece
comparison; this piece I'm looking for averages 30 cents, and most stores
carry less than 10 of them. There is one store in North America that has over
50, and charges more than a dollar per piece. With the price tool, I've
been avoiding it. Because Mom and Pop show up every now and then with a price
that is more reasonable and I snatch it up along with the other pieces they have
that are priced reasonably. Without the price tool, I am more likely to purchase
from the guy that has quantity, he has everything I need, I'll overpay but
I'll only pay for shipping once and I won't have to do comparison shopping
at 15 different stores.
|
From the sounds of your previous post, that's not what would happen. Rather,
you would find the best price for the item you need, and then add some extra
stuff from that store, which you can also use. I very much doubt that you will
buy the ones at $1.48 each.
Even if you buy just 6 of them, it's cheaper to buy them from the store in
Portugal, including shipping, then it would be to buy them from that store in
the US. At quantities higher than 6, it becomes A LOT cheaper to buy them in
Portugal.
| | Without the pricing tool I have less information to
make an informed purchase. My 2 cents, is that without the pricing tool we enabling
the big box stores. We're letting the big box stores set the price because
they have quantity and quality (rare pieces). I am more likely to make one purchase
from a big box than 10 purchases from Mom and Pop.
|
Not according to what you have described previously. Also, with the tools that
are still currently available, you can save a lot of money compared to what you
say you would do.
| | Honestly, I didn't pay attention to the original pricing tool discussion
that went on, but I have a feeling that it was lead by the site's Sellers.
I want to hear more from the Buyers. I don't think I'm the only one
to think this way. I'm happy to hear everyone's point of view - but
I want the votes in. Buyers, Sellers, cast your votes!
|
Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
--
Marc.
|
Thanks Marc - What I hear is the invisible hand of the marketplace is very visible
on Bricklink, it is the hand of profit. Limit the amount of information provided
to the Buyers and the Sellers will profit.
|
|
| Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 13:26 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | If you allow me to take one sentence out of your reply:
| | I had a $50 cart and what I thought was a great deal.
|
This is _exactly_ why others would argue to have that feature removed. And if
you allow me to quote another tidbit from a different thread you posted:
| | Because I can't imagine the site administrators would knowingly remove the feature and allow the happy wonderful Lego fans through out the world who have gathered together here in the safe and welcoming site that is Bricklink to be knowingly ripped off. Some dude last week tried to charge me $2.00 for a 35 cent piece. It was an odd piece, I needed it. But I didn't '500% make up' need it. I can't keep track of the average price of 1000s of pieces
|
You have to understand that nobody is trying to rip you off by pricing items
in a certain way. That price is there to see and agree with or not.
I fully understand that automatically comparing prices to the last 6 month average
makes it easier to pick the best deal, but by doing this. BrickLink is actively
helping to push prices down. Shops that have priced items reasonably will see
that over time they will lose out on orders because others will undercut the
prices, and buyers will more and more favor the lower-priced options, thus further
put pressure on the L6MA. Stores that don't constantly adjust their prices
will eventually maybe show 500% above average. That does NOT mean they are ripping
buyers off.
The price comparison feature was introduced some time in the last year. Before
that, people were able to buy their LEGO just fine, but there can't be much
doubt that this feature was helping the downward spiral of item prices. This
is not in the interest of BrickLink, and not in the interest of the sellers.
And if you think about it, in the long run it is also not in the interest of
buyers. Many larger shops are feeling the pressure, and have to think about whether
this is still a market that is worthwhile to pursue. Sure, if they close shop,
others will fill the void, but it will be more and more of the lowest-prices-quick-sale-goodbye
shops. And that is not good for anyone.
Just my $0.02.
Niek.
|
Thanks Niek, I think I understand where you are coming from. It's like the
big box stores putting the Mom and Pop shops out of business by undercutting
prices. I get it. But I think the inverse is also true. Back to my gold piece
comparison; this piece I'm looking for averages 30 cents, and most stores
carry less than 10 of them. There is one store in North America that has over
50, and charges more than a dollar per piece. With the price tool, I've
been avoiding it. Because Mom and Pop show up every now and then with a price
that is more reasonable and I snatch it up along with the other pieces they have
that are priced reasonably. Without the price tool, I am more likely to purchase
from the guy that has quantity, he has everything I need, I'll overpay but
I'll only pay for shipping once and I won't have to do comparison shopping
at 15 different stores.
|
From the sounds of your previous post, that's not what would happen. Rather,
you would find the best price for the item you need, and then add some extra
stuff from that store, which you can also use. I very much doubt that you will
buy the ones at $1.48 each.
Even if you buy just 6 of them, it's cheaper to buy them from the store in
Portugal, including shipping, then it would be to buy them from that store in
the US. At quantities higher than 6, it becomes A LOT cheaper to buy them in
Portugal.
| | Without the pricing tool I have less information to
make an informed purchase. My 2 cents, is that without the pricing tool we enabling
the big box stores. We're letting the big box stores set the price because
they have quantity and quality (rare pieces). I am more likely to make one purchase
from a big box than 10 purchases from Mom and Pop.
|
Not according to what you have described previously. Also, with the tools that
are still currently available, you can save a lot of money compared to what you
say you would do.
| | Honestly, I didn't pay attention to the original pricing tool discussion
that went on, but I have a feeling that it was lead by the site's Sellers.
I want to hear more from the Buyers. I don't think I'm the only one
to think this way. I'm happy to hear everyone's point of view - but
I want the votes in. Buyers, Sellers, cast your votes!
|
Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
--
Marc.
|
|
| Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 13:03 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | If you allow me to take one sentence out of your reply:
| | I had a $50 cart and what I thought was a great deal.
|
This is _exactly_ why others would argue to have that feature removed. And if
you allow me to quote another tidbit from a different thread you posted:
| | Because I can't imagine the site administrators would knowingly remove the feature and allow the happy wonderful Lego fans through out the world who have gathered together here in the safe and welcoming site that is Bricklink to be knowingly ripped off. Some dude last week tried to charge me $2.00 for a 35 cent piece. It was an odd piece, I needed it. But I didn't '500% make up' need it. I can't keep track of the average price of 1000s of pieces
|
You have to understand that nobody is trying to rip you off by pricing items
in a certain way. That price is there to see and agree with or not.
I fully understand that automatically comparing prices to the last 6 month average
makes it easier to pick the best deal, but by doing this. BrickLink is actively
helping to push prices down. Shops that have priced items reasonably will see
that over time they will lose out on orders because others will undercut the
prices, and buyers will more and more favor the lower-priced options, thus further
put pressure on the L6MA. Stores that don't constantly adjust their prices
will eventually maybe show 500% above average. That does NOT mean they are ripping
buyers off.
The price comparison feature was introduced some time in the last year. Before
that, people were able to buy their LEGO just fine, but there can't be much
doubt that this feature was helping the downward spiral of item prices. This
is not in the interest of BrickLink, and not in the interest of the sellers.
And if you think about it, in the long run it is also not in the interest of
buyers. Many larger shops are feeling the pressure, and have to think about whether
this is still a market that is worthwhile to pursue. Sure, if they close shop,
others will fill the void, but it will be more and more of the lowest-prices-quick-sale-goodbye
shops. And that is not good for anyone.
Just my $0.02.
Niek.
|
Thanks Niek, I think I understand where you are coming from. It's like the
big box stores putting the Mom and Pop shops out of business by undercutting
prices. I get it. But I think the inverse is also true. Back to my gold piece
comparison; this piece I'm looking for averages 30 cents, and most stores
carry less than 10 of them. There is one store in North America that has over
50, and charges more than a dollar per piece. With the price tool, I've
been avoiding it. Because Mom and Pop show up every now and then with a price
that is more reasonable and I snatch it up along with the other pieces they have
that are priced reasonably. Without the price tool, I am more likely to purchase
from the guy that has quantity, he has everything I need, I'll overpay but
I'll only pay for shipping once and I won't have to do comparison shopping
at 15 different stores. Without the pricing tool I have less information to
make an informed purchase. My 2 cents, is that without the pricing tool we enabling
the big box stores. We're letting the big box stores set the price because
they have quantity and quality (rare pieces). I am more likely to make one purchase
from a big box than 10 purchases from Mom and Pop.
Honestly, I didn't pay attention to the original pricing tool discussion
that went on, but I have a feeling that it was lead by the site's Sellers.
I want to hear more from the Buyers. I don't think I'm the only one
to think this way. I'm happy to hear everyone's point of view - but
I want the votes in. Buyers, Sellers, cast your votes!
|
|
| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 12:38 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | If you allow me to take one sentence out of your reply:
| | I had a $50 cart and what I thought was a great deal.
|
This is _exactly_ why others would argue to have that feature removed. And if
you allow me to quote another tidbit from a different thread you posted:
| | Because I can't imagine the site administrators would knowingly remove the feature and allow the happy wonderful Lego fans through out the world who have gathered together here in the safe and welcoming site that is Bricklink to be knowingly ripped off. Some dude last week tried to charge me $2.00 for a 35 cent piece. It was an odd piece, I needed it. But I didn't '500% make up' need it. I can't keep track of the average price of 1000s of pieces
|
You have to understand that nobody is trying to rip you off by pricing items
in a certain way. That price is there to see and agree with or not.
I fully understand that automatically comparing prices to the last 6 month average
makes it easier to pick the best deal, but by doing this. BrickLink is actively
helping to push prices down. Shops that have priced items reasonably will see
that over time they will lose out on orders because others will undercut the
prices, and buyers will more and more favor the lower-priced options, thus further
put pressure on the L6MA. Stores that don't constantly adjust their prices
will eventually maybe show 500% above average. That does NOT mean they are ripping
buyers off.
The price comparison feature was introduced some time in the last year. Before
that, people were able to buy their LEGO just fine, but there can't be much
doubt that this feature was helping the downward spiral of item prices. This
is not in the interest of BrickLink, and not in the interest of the sellers.
And if you think about it, in the long run it is also not in the interest of
buyers. Many larger shops are feeling the pressure, and have to think about whether
this is still a market that is worthwhile to pursue. Sure, if they close shop,
others will fill the void, but it will be more and more of the lowest-prices-quick-sale-goodbye
shops. And that is not good for anyone.
Just my $0.02.
Niek.
|
+1
|
|
| Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 12:22 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| If you allow me to take one sentence out of your reply:
| | I had a $50 cart and what I thought was a great deal.
|
This is _exactly_ why others would argue to have that feature removed. And if
you allow me to quote another tidbit from a different thread you posted:
| | Because I can't imagine the site administrators would knowingly remove the feature and allow the happy wonderful Lego fans through out the world who have gathered together here in the safe and welcoming site that is Bricklink to be knowingly ripped off. Some dude last week tried to charge me $2.00 for a 35 cent piece. It was an odd piece, I needed it. But I didn't '500% make up' need it. I can't keep track of the average price of 1000s of pieces
|
You have to understand that nobody is trying to rip you off by pricing items
in a certain way. That price is there to see and agree with or not.
I fully understand that automatically comparing prices to the last 6 month average
makes it easier to pick the best deal, but by doing this. BrickLink is actively
helping to push prices down. Shops that have priced items reasonably will see
that over time they will lose out on orders because others will undercut the
prices, and buyers will more and more favor the lower-priced options, thus further
put pressure on the L6MA. Stores that don't constantly adjust their prices
will eventually maybe show 500% above average. That does NOT mean they are ripping
buyers off.
The price comparison feature was introduced some time in the last year. Before
that, people were able to buy their LEGO just fine, but there can't be much
doubt that this feature was helping the downward spiral of item prices. This
is not in the interest of BrickLink, and not in the interest of the sellers.
And if you think about it, in the long run it is also not in the interest of
buyers. Many larger shops are feeling the pressure, and have to think about whether
this is still a market that is worthwhile to pursue. Sure, if they close shop,
others will fill the void, but it will be more and more of the lowest-prices-quick-sale-goodbye
shops. And that is not good for anyone.
Just my $0.02.
Niek.
|
|
| Author: | Thaum | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 11:51 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Voted yes. This was a great feature that made it easier to choose a store.
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
|
|
Voted yes. I could only second this. It made it easier to choose a store
|
|
| Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 11:33 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
|
Voted no. The part prices should be what you think it's worth, not the Price
Guide' system.
The current average prices of parts are lower and the result of the downward
spiralling price war of the many shops and are not the actual values.
When getting lower, parts would be given away for free.
|
Brickwilbo - how can you be so cruel? If I am starving a slice of bread would
be worth $1000 to me. And I'm starving, I need that bread. I would gladly
pay you $1000 for it because I don't have the luxury of surveying 100s of
stores for 100s of pieces. Would you sell me a $1000 dollar slice of bread,
Brickwilbo? Would you feed me for only a day? Would you allow me to starve
until I get my birthday check from Grandma? Change your vote, Brickwilbo. Change
your vote and feed the children!
|
Comparing wanting to buy cheaper LEGO to starving children is not the way to
go.
Just for this, I am tempted to vote 'no' as well.
Niek.
|
I understand Niek. Not everyone understands my sense of humor. I'll be
more realistic;
I need a pearl gold round plate. The price runs from 10 cents to $1.48. I need
30 of these pieces and stores usually carry less than 5 at a time. I found a
store that was selling 16 for 35 cents each. So filled my cart up. I grabbed
a bunch of other common pieces that I needed for my project because I had to
pay shipping so why not get as much as I can. I had a $50 cart and what I thought
was a great deal. Then I thought about adding the seller to my favorites list
and then going a wish list compare. My $50 cart that I thought was a great deal
because I was getting 16 rare pieces for 35 cents had an actual mark up price
of over 500%. I knew what the average price was for that one rare piece, so
I was basing my entire purchase on that. I honestly do not have the capacity
to know the average price per piece for the other 20+ lots I had in my cart.
I still made the purchase. But instead of getting all those common pieces,
I grabbed the other rare pieces I needed. They were priced higher than average
and I took a loss on that purchase. Average price for all the pieces I got was
probably 80 some odd cents. Because of the price comparison tool - I took that
loss in one store. I could have made multiple 'rare & common', 'rare
& common' purchases and overpaid on every one.
Stone cold honest story.
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| Author: | MrDrem | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 11:04 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Voted no. The part prices should be what you think it's worth, not the Price
Guide' system.
The current average prices of parts are lower and the result of the downward
spiralling price war of the many shops and are not the actual values.
When getting lower, parts would be given away for free.
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Brickwilbo - how can you be so cruel? If I am starving a slice of bread would
be worth $1000 to me. And I'm starving, I need that bread. I would gladly
pay you $1000 for it because I don't have the luxury of surveying 100s of
stores for 100s of pieces. Would you sell me a $1000 dollar slice of bread,
Brickwilbo? Would you feed me for only a day? Would you allow me to starve
until I get my birthday check from Grandma? Change your vote, Brickwilbo. Change
your vote and feed the children!
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Comparing wanting to buy cheaper LEGO to starving children is not the way to
go.
Just for this, I am tempted to vote 'no' as well.
Niek.
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It did make me wonder what he'd been toking.
MrDrem
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| Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 10:55 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
|
Voted no. The part prices should be what you think it's worth, not the Price
Guide' system.
The current average prices of parts are lower and the result of the downward
spiralling price war of the many shops and are not the actual values.
When getting lower, parts would be given away for free.
|
Brickwilbo - how can you be so cruel? If I am starving a slice of bread would
be worth $1000 to me. And I'm starving, I need that bread. I would gladly
pay you $1000 for it because I don't have the luxury of surveying 100s of
stores for 100s of pieces. Would you sell me a $1000 dollar slice of bread,
Brickwilbo? Would you feed me for only a day? Would you allow me to starve
until I get my birthday check from Grandma? Change your vote, Brickwilbo. Change
your vote and feed the children!
|
Comparing wanting to buy cheaper LEGO to starving children is not the way to
go.
Just for this, I am tempted to vote 'no' as well.
Niek.
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| Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 10:40 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 94 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
|
Voted no. The part prices should be what you think it's worth, not the Price
Guide' system.
The current average prices of parts are lower and the result of the downward
spiralling price war of the many shops and are not the actual values.
When getting lower, parts would be given away for free.
|
Brickwilbo - how can you be so cruel? If I am starving a slice of bread would
be worth $1000 to me. And I'm starving, I need that bread. I would gladly
pay you $1000 for it because I don't have the luxury of surveying 100s of
stores for 100s of pieces. Would you sell me a $1000 dollar slice of bread,
Brickwilbo? Would you feed me for only a day? Would you allow me to starve
until I get my birthday check from Grandma? Change your vote, Brickwilbo. Change
your vote and feed the children!
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| Author: | dmaster.hu | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 04:23 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 10740-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Gear 759528c03 Dark Red Storage Case with Rounded Corners and Red Lid
* Add 3 Gear 759532 Red Storage Case Divider Panel 13.5 x 5.5cm for Case 759528
* Add 2 Gear 759533 Red Storage Case Divider Panel 6.5 x 5.5cm for Case 759528
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 02:34 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6168-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Minifig {47394pb077 Duplo Figure Lego Ville, Male Fireman, Black Legs, Flesh Hands, Silver Helmet, Blue Eyes to 47394pb122 Duplo Figure Lego Ville, Male Fireman, Black Legs, Flesh Hands, White Helmet, Blue Eyes}
Comments from Submitter:
The silver helmet is a complete outlier in 2012. In fact it is also suspect in 2008 and 2007 because the sources were not sealed and alternates were added in both cases.
I have also looked through dozens of 6168 listings and videos and have not seen a single silver helmet. Considering the other basic problems discovered so far with this inventory, I am certain the silver helmet is a mistake.
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USA, New Jersey
Canada, Alberta
France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
Netherlands, Zuid-Holland
Germany, Baden-Württemberg
United Kingdom, England
Hungary, Budapest
