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 Author: par016 View Messages Posted By par016
 Posted: Oct 17, 2020 15:18
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par016 (7590)

Location:  USA, New York
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Store: Boston Red Blocks
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  It is finished.

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487

We'd be interested in hearing feedback on the project if anyone would like
to share it.

I can see that I am in the vast minority here on the forum, and I really haven't
used this outlet much over the last 5 or so years, but I cannot begin to express
how frustrated these changes have made me. I have spent the last 6 month slowly
sorting through over 100,000 used parts. This is an especially tedious job,
one that I do not undertake very often. I literally just finished about a week
ago. I spent half of last week reorganizing all my drawers by category, setting
everything up perfectly and have been looking forward to a very organized office
for the first time in a long while.

This week I began sorting through the final miscellaneous pieces that I had missed
only to find that things are not where they were previously or where I expect
them to be. I have gotten a few orders in the last 2 weeks where I search and
search and search for an item only to find out that it's totally been moved
to a new location.

I know many people have said I should use remarks and drawer numbers, but not
everyone does this and I have my reasons for not doing it. It overcomplicates
my storage system and adds an extra step in packing orders that I really do not
think is necessary.

I do appreciate the streamlining of the catalog however, I myself tried to contribute
to that the last time I sorted through used inventory about 5 years ago. That
seemed to fall on deaf ears as every one of my catalog change requests was denied,
even though I had many valid changes.

My biggest frustration with this whole ordeal is that there has literally been
NO COMMUNICATION about these changes. I found out through trial and error, and
lots of frustration and then I had to come to the forum to learn what has happened.
I now how to spend days rearranging my drawers and set up (something I just
finished doing!). How is there no communication to sellers about these changes,
this really is inexcusable. A simple email or an area on our profile that shows
parts that have changed categories in your store would have been beyond helpful.

I see the list posted on this thread and that is at least a little helpful, but
I have no idea if it is an exhaustive list or not. I would appreciate a way
to know everything that has changed, otherwise I will have to pour through the
change log over days to try to figure out what goes where now.

I know this is a long rant. I am happy the catalog is changing and being more
streamlined, I am not upset about that, however these changes have huge ramifications
to every seller. Not everyone sets up there storage system the same way, and
completely changing the catalog without any communication is totally unacceptable.
Not everyone used/knows about the forum either. A change here and there is
easy to deal with but the number of changes that have occurred in the last month
or two NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED TO SELLERS THAT IT AFFECT.

-Pete
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Oct 16, 2020 22:18
 Subject: Re: Identification number 1
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StormChaser (566)

Location:  USA, Oklahoma
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  the chaos of BL's literally hundreds of discrete systems of item
numbering.

Here's another message I posted regarding the use of letters in part numbers:


Letter C Used to Describe an Assembly
 
Part No: 69c02  Name: Tap 1 x 2 Base with Chrome Silver Spout (69 / 70)
* 
69c02 (Inv) Tap 1 x 2 Base with Chrome Silver Spout (69 / 70)
Parts: Tap

Letter C and "assy" Used to Describe Two Assemblies
 
Part No: 122c01assy3  Name: Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Red Wheels with Black Tires 21mm D. x 9mm Offset Tread Medium (122c01/ 4084)
* 
122c01assy3 (Inv) Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Red Wheels with Black Tires 21mm D. x 9mm Offset Tread Medium (122c01/ 4084)
Parts: Wheel & Tire Assembly

Letter C Used as Part of Abbreviation for Classic
 
Part No: 823cl  Name: Garage Door Solid with Fixed Counterweights - Classic
* 
823cl Garage Door Solid with Fixed Counterweights - Classic
Parts: Classic

Letter C Used to Describe a Hose
 
Part No: 78c32  Name: Hose, Ribbed 7mm D. 32L / 25.6cm
* 
78c32 Hose, Ribbed 7mm D. 32L / 25.6cm
Parts: Hose, Ribbed 7mm D.

Letter C Used to Describe a Multipack Part
 
Part No: 93080c  Name: Friends Accessories Hair Dryer
* 
93080c Friends Accessories Hair Dryer
Parts: Friends

Letter C Used to Describe a Variant
 
Part No: 2609c  Name: Magnet Holder Tile 2 x 2 - Tall Arms with Shallow Notch
* 
2609c Magnet Holder Tile 2 x 2 - Tall Arms with Shallow Notch
Parts: Magnet

But it all seems to make perfect sense to the site itself, of course.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Oct 16, 2020 22:10
 Subject: Re: Identification number 1
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Location:  USA, Oklahoma
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In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  Now maybe we should question if those are really Design IDs or just mold numbers...

I don't know this for certain, but I strongly suspect someone pre-BrickLink
(LDraw? Peeron?) just went through and started numbering things without regard
to actual part numbers. BrickLink simply copied those item numbers from whomever
did the original numbering.

Search for all parts and order them by item number, up. It should become evident
that these are numbers somewhat randomly assigned to parts by fans prior to BrickLink's
use of bb* numbers.

On item numbers, BTW, we got shut down pretty quickly when we suggested introducing
order to the chaos of BL's literally hundreds of discrete systems of item
numbering. For example, here's something I posted privately regarding the
numbering of figures:

  I count 68 distinct numbering systems as follows:

1-Digit Letter + Number + 2-Digit Letter + 2-Digit Number
x4cx01

1-Digit Letter + 2-Digit Number
x30

1-Digit Torso Letter + 3-Digit Number
s003

2-Digit Generic Identifier + 4-Digit Number
bb0001

2-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number
sc072

2-Digit Theme, Capitalized + 3-Digit Number
CL001

2-Digit Theme, Capitalized + 3-Digit Number + Letter
WC016s

2-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number + Letter
dp029s

2-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number + 2-Digit Letter
sp085sb

2-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number + 3-Digit Letter
pi013new

2-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number + 3-Digit Letter + Number
sp001new2

2-Digit Theme + 4-Digit Number
sw0522

2-Digit Theme + 4-Digit Number + Letter
sw0001d

2-Digit Theme + 4-Digit Set Number
cc4066

2-Digit Theme, One Number, One Letter + 3-Digit Number
4j001

2-Digit Theme, One Number, One Letter + 3-Digit Number + Letter
4j003a

3-Digit Time Period + 3-Digit Number
old021

3-Digit Time Period + 3-Digit Number + Letter
old046s

3-Digit Theme + Number + Letter
fab1a

3-Digit Theme, Capitalized + Number + Letter
Fab3e

3-Digit Theme + 2-Digit Number + Letter
fab10a

3-Digit Theme + 2-Digit Theme + 2-Digit Number
colsh13

3-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Descriptor + Letter Descriptor + 2-Digit Number
scaFemA02

3-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Item Type + 3-Digit Number
dupfig001

3-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Item Type + 3-Digit Number + Letter
dupfig001r

3-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number
tlm139

3-Digit Theme, All Caps + 3-Digit Number
LLP002

3-Digit Theme, All Caps + 3-Digit Number + Letter
LLP003a

3-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number + Letter
agt020a

3-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number + Letter + Number
rac036s2

3-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number + Letter + 2-Digit Number
pln102s01

3-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number + 2-Digit Letter
cas046cm

3-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number + 3-Digit Letter
cas050new

3-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number + 3-Digit Letter Capitalized
fab001BHP

3-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number + Letter + 2-Digit Number
bat011c01

3-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Theme + 2-Digit Number
coluni01

3-Digit Theme + 4-Digit Theme + 2-Digit Number
coltlbm01

3-Digit Theme + 7-Digit Descriptor + 2-Digit Number
dupmermaid01

3-Digit Torso Identifier + 3-Digit Number
hor019

4-Digit Name
pooh

4-Digit Part Number
5473

4-Digit Part Number + 2-Digit Letter + 3-Digit Number
4555pb135

4-Digit Part Number + 2-Digit Letter + 3-Digit Number + Letter
4555pb142a

4-Digit Theme + 2-Digit Number
clik01

4-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number
uagt004

4-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number + Letter
fire005s

4-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Number + 3-Digit Letter
post001new

4-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Descriptor + Number
belvFem2

4-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Descriptor + Number + Letter
belvFem4a

4-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Descriptor + 2-Digit Number
belvFem10

4-Digit Theme + 3-Digit Descriptor + 2-Digit Number + Letter
belvfem10a

4-Digit Theme + 4-Digit Descriptor + Number
belvBaby1

4-Digit Theme, Capitalization Reversed + 4-Digit Descriptor + Number + Letter
Belvbaby2a

4-Digit Theme + 4-Digit Descriptor + 2-Digit Number
belvFair02

4-Digit Theme + 4-Digit Descriptor + 2-Digit Number + Letter
belvFair01a

4-Digit Torso Identifier + 3-Digit Number
jred010

4-Digit Torso Identifier + 3-Digit Number + Letter
jred024s

5-Digit Part Number
23048

5-Digit Part Number + 1-Digit Letter
23047b

5-Digit Part Number + 1-Digit Letter + 1-Digit Number
51991e1

5-Digit Part Number + 1-Digit Letter + 2-Digit Number
45219c01

5-Digit Part Number + 2-Digit Letter + 3-Digit Number
47205pb001

5-Digit Part Number + 2-Digit Letter + 3-Digit Number + Letter
47394pb018b

5-Digit Torso Identifier + 3-Digit Number
ncklc008

5-Digit Unknown Letters + 3-Digit Number
airdg001

6-Digit Name
Eeyore

6-Digit Name + 3-Digit Descriptor
Eeyorenew

6-Digit Torso Identifier
redsox
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: Oct 16, 2020 09:43
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Location:  Spain, Comunidad Valenciana
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In Catalog, Mr_Rofl writes:
  In Catalog, Iliketurtles1 writes:
  Is there a piece with the identification number one if not what is the lowest
identification number?

Nice to play with the numbers and learning myself something in the process.

On top of my head I knew

 
Part No: 8  Name: Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Wheel Holder Bottom
* 
8 Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Wheel Holder Bottom
Parts: Plate, Modified
existed, but playing with it. Number 1 also does exist.

 
Part No: 1  Name: Homemaker Bookcase 2 x 4 x 4
* 
1 Homemaker Bookcase 2 x 4 x 4
Parts: Homemaker
 
Part No: 2  Name: Homemaker Cupboard 4 x 4 x 4
* 
2 Homemaker Cupboard 4 x 4 x 4
Parts: Homemaker
 
Part No: 3  Name: Homemaker Cupboard 4 x 4 x 4 Drawer
* 
3 Homemaker Cupboard 4 x 4 x 4 Drawer
Parts: Homemaker
[p=4]
 
Part No: 5  Name: Ladder Holder for Ladder 16 x 4 with Semi-Circular Pivot
* 
5 Ladder Holder for Ladder 16 x 4 with Semi-Circular Pivot
Parts: Ladder
[p=6]
[p=7]
 
Part No: 8  Name: Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Wheel Holder Bottom
* 
8 Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Wheel Holder Bottom
Parts: Plate, Modified
[p=9]
[p=10]

Now maybe we should question if those are really Design IDs or just mold numbers...
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 Posted: Oct 16, 2020 09:21
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In Catalog, Iliketurtles1 writes:
  Is there a piece with the identification number one if not what is the lowest
identification number?

Nice to play with the numbers and learning myself something in the process.

On top of my head I knew

 
Part No: 8  Name: Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Wheel Holder Bottom
* 
8 Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Wheel Holder Bottom
Parts: Plate, Modified
existed, but playing with it. Number 1 also does exist.

 
Part No: 1  Name: Homemaker Bookcase 2 x 4 x 4
* 
1 Homemaker Bookcase 2 x 4 x 4
Parts: Homemaker
 
Part No: 2  Name: Homemaker Cupboard 4 x 4 x 4
* 
2 Homemaker Cupboard 4 x 4 x 4
Parts: Homemaker
 
Part No: 3  Name: Homemaker Cupboard 4 x 4 x 4 Drawer
* 
3 Homemaker Cupboard 4 x 4 x 4 Drawer
Parts: Homemaker
[p=4]
 
Part No: 5  Name: Ladder Holder for Ladder 16 x 4 with Semi-Circular Pivot
* 
5 Ladder Holder for Ladder 16 x 4 with Semi-Circular Pivot
Parts: Ladder
[p=6]
[p=7]
 
Part No: 8  Name: Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Wheel Holder Bottom
* 
8 Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Wheel Holder Bottom
Parts: Plate, Modified
[p=9]
[p=10]
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Is there a piece with the identification number one if not what is the lowest
identification number?
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: Oct 15, 2020 04:26
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In Catalog, enig writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  It is finished.

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487

We'd be interested in hearing feedback on the project if anyone would like
to share it.

May I suggest moving the following to 'Bar' category
 
Part No: 30031  Name: Minifigure, Utensil Handlebars
* 
30031 Minifigure, Utensil Handlebars
Parts: Minifigure, Utensil

+1
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  It is finished.

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487

We'd be interested in hearing feedback on the project if anyone would like
to share it.

May I suggest moving the following to 'Bar' category
 
Part No: 30031  Name: Minifigure, Utensil Handlebars
* 
30031 Minifigure, Utensil Handlebars
Parts: Minifigure, Utensil
 Author: mockingbird View Messages Posted By mockingbird
 Posted: Oct 14, 2020 05:27
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Location:  Netherlands, Noord-Brabant
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

Parts: should be treated as regular parts. Similar to parts in colours-not-used-in-sets
that get no special entry.

Figures: Maybe add the figure as designed by Lego to the catalog as a minifig.
But not all the different variations one can make. (these parts should be added
as parts). Parts description just as regular parts.

Sets: Add the set as designed by Lego to the catalog. Variations should not be
added as set. Parts should be added as regular parts.
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In Catalog, leopard37 writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, leopard37 writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

I'd prefer to see BAM parts only in the catalogue. I know that stores are
assembling figures, and then also putting these into the packaging for now, but
as soon as this stops and stores go back to customers picking the parts it will
seem bizarre to have these listed as sets.

I agree that the whole concept is to build the figure how you want. However there
are lots of unique complete figures that TLG has meant to be assembled together.
I think the suggestions from TLG should be able to be found and sold as a complete
fig. There are a few I want to get my own hands on.

In normal times, we assume that LEGO intend them to be put together in a certain
way. That goes against the BL way of definitely go together rather than presumed
to go together. Plus what happens if for example a torso / head / headgear combo
comes out that could be used with any legs and none are obvious? Do all permutations
get added or none? Especially with human figures, the heads could be controversial.

The cases I'm talking about have the full minifigure assembled exactly like
a normal instruction book. eg. Pink valentine's elephant

Tyson.

I know. In normal times, those parts will not be sold combined. The point of
the BAM is that the customer chooses the parts. There are no instructions.
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, leopard37 writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

I'd prefer to see BAM parts only in the catalogue. I know that stores are
assembling figures, and then also putting these into the packaging for now, but
as soon as this stops and stores go back to customers picking the parts it will
seem bizarre to have these listed as sets.

I agree that the whole concept is to build the figure how you want. However there
are lots of unique complete figures that TLG has meant to be assembled together.
I think the suggestions from TLG should be able to be found and sold as a complete
fig. There are a few I want to get my own hands on.

In normal times, we assume that LEGO intend them to be put together in a certain
way. That goes against the BL way of definitely go together rather than presumed
to go together. Plus what happens if for example a torso / head / headgear combo
comes out that could be used with any legs and none are obvious? Do all permutations
get added or none? Especially with human figures, the heads could be controversial.

The cases I'm talking about have the full minifigure assembled exactly like
a normal instruction book. eg. Pink valentine's elephant

Tyson.
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Oct 13, 2020 12:44
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  I do understand the wish to browse the parts together, so I would suggest prefixing
all parts with "Build-A-Minifigure" or something like this, so you can still
search for that term. And then if a part would start becoming regular in sets,
the description can simply be altered (or not).

There already is such a term:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?q=bam

Problem is that some exclusiv BAM parts are just recolors of existing elements.
Examples:
 
Part No: 12890  Name: Minifigure, Hair Female Long Straight
* 
12890 Minifigure, Hair Female Long Straight
Parts: Minifigure, Hair {Orange}
 
Part No: 970c00pb0495  Name: Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Brown Lower Legs / Boots  Pattern
* 
970c00pb0495 Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Brown Lower Legs / Boots Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated {Dark Blue}

So sometimes only one of several colors is "BAM exclusiv" and it would be wrong
or misleading to add a prefix to the part entry.

Ah, good point. I guess in that case the option of making BAM a "set" and adding
all unique part/colour combinations in its inventory remains.

Why only unique parts? After all, parts can be found in multiple sets so if there
is one giant BAM set for all parts found in BAM, then it could contain all parts
that have been in BAM not just unique ones.

True.. from an inventory perspective that would make the most sense. I just thought
it would be a way to serve those who were looking for unique parts, but I guess
they could see that easily enough by navigating to the part entry and looking
at the number of set appearances. And that way they can just stay there without
having to be removed if they are no longer unique because of a new set.

I thought we are only talking about the unique BAM parts here because people
are especially interested in them and because they are currently "orphaned" parts,
i.e. it is not visible where they come from.
BAM stations have been there for more than ten years, so we would likely end
up with hundreds of different parts in a gigant "BAM set". This might be interesting
for some archiving purposes, but it would not be helpful for anyone who just
wants to find the latest unique parts. After all, the whole discussion about
BAM parts only started when those unique parts first appeared (about two years
ago). Before that time, BAM stations were just another way of single parts distribution,
similar to Pick a Brick walls or Pick a Brick online.
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  I do understand the wish to browse the parts together, so I would suggest prefixing
all parts with "Build-A-Minifigure" or something like this, so you can still
search for that term. And then if a part would start becoming regular in sets,
the description can simply be altered (or not).

There already is such a term:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?q=bam

Problem is that some exclusiv BAM parts are just recolors of existing elements.
Examples:
 
Part No: 12890  Name: Minifigure, Hair Female Long Straight
* 
12890 Minifigure, Hair Female Long Straight
Parts: Minifigure, Hair {Orange}
 
Part No: 970c00pb0495  Name: Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Brown Lower Legs / Boots  Pattern
* 
970c00pb0495 Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Brown Lower Legs / Boots Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated {Dark Blue}

So sometimes only one of several colors is "BAM exclusiv" and it would be wrong
or misleading to add a prefix to the part entry.

Ah, good point. I guess in that case the option of making BAM a "set" and adding
all unique part/colour combinations in its inventory remains.

Why only unique parts? After all, parts can be found in multiple sets so if there
is one giant BAM set for all parts found in BAM, then it could contain all parts
that have been in BAM not just unique ones.

True.. from an inventory perspective that would make the most sense. I just thought
it would be a way to serve those who were looking for unique parts, but I guess
they could see that easily enough by navigating to the part entry and looking
at the number of set appearances. And that way they can just stay there without
having to be removed if they are no longer unique because of a new set.
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  I do understand the wish to browse the parts together, so I would suggest prefixing
all parts with "Build-A-Minifigure" or something like this, so you can still
search for that term. And then if a part would start becoming regular in sets,
the description can simply be altered (or not).

There already is such a term:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?q=bam

Problem is that some exclusiv BAM parts are just recolors of existing elements.
Examples:
 
Part No: 12890  Name: Minifigure, Hair Female Long Straight
* 
12890 Minifigure, Hair Female Long Straight
Parts: Minifigure, Hair {Orange}
 
Part No: 970c00pb0495  Name: Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Brown Lower Legs / Boots  Pattern
* 
970c00pb0495 Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Brown Lower Legs / Boots Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated {Dark Blue}

So sometimes only one of several colors is "BAM exclusiv" and it would be wrong
or misleading to add a prefix to the part entry.

Ah, good point. I guess in that case the option of making BAM a "set" and adding
all unique part/colour combinations in its inventory remains.

Why only unique parts? After all, parts can be found in multiple sets so if there
is one giant BAM set for all parts found in BAM, then it could contain all parts
that have been in BAM not just unique ones.
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In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  I do understand the wish to browse the parts together, so I would suggest prefixing
all parts with "Build-A-Minifigure" or something like this, so you can still
search for that term. And then if a part would start becoming regular in sets,
the description can simply be altered (or not).

There already is such a term:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?q=bam

Problem is that some exclusiv BAM parts are just recolors of existing elements.
Examples:
 
Part No: 12890  Name: Minifigure, Hair Female Long Straight
* 
12890 Minifigure, Hair Female Long Straight
Parts: Minifigure, Hair {Orange}
 
Part No: 970c00pb0495  Name: Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Brown Lower Legs / Boots  Pattern
* 
970c00pb0495 Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Brown Lower Legs / Boots Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated {Dark Blue}

So sometimes only one of several colors is "BAM exclusiv" and it would be wrong
or misleading to add a prefix to the part entry.

Ah, good point. I guess in that case the option of making BAM a "set" and adding
all unique part/colour combinations in its inventory remains.
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In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

These elements have release dates, minifig parts and accessories for 3 minifigs
are released each quarter.

Here is good info another member shared:

https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/175722-bam-exclusive-parts-index/

I would suggest adding sets with an ID something like:

BaM2019Q3
BaM2019Q4
BaM2020Q1
BaM2020Q2
BaM2020Q3

And include all this ~15 parts to the inventory plus maybe

 
Gear No: 852766  Name: Blister Pack, Build a Minifigure (BAM) Pack for 3 Minifigures
* 
852766 Blister Pack, Build a Minifigure (BAM) Pack for 3 Minifigures
Gear: Storage: LEGO Brand Store

People also want the minifigs but I can't think of a way of adding them all
without guess work...

Also, if they are Sets the sellers can sell only 1 of the minifigures marking
the incomplete option, and with a custom photo/description like:

 
Part No: 3001special  Name: Brick 2 x 4 special (special bricks, test bricks and/or prototypes)
* 
3001special Brick 2 x 4 special (special bricks, test bricks and/or prototypes)
Parts: Brick
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In Catalog, mockingbird writes:
  
  
That means I have to change some minifig listings to 'custom'.

Removing the itemnumber and checking the 'custom' box does not seem work?!

Oh it does work in the 'older version' but not in 'newer version'
of 'edit more' of the listing.

So yesterday I changed my inomplete minifig listings to cusom items (with custom
picture). And they were deleted anyway?! And of course without any notification.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

Yes!
As an AFOL that no longer has a LEGO store in my area, I would like for BrickLink
stores to be able to list complete BAM minifigures. Thanks!
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As others have already mentioned, I would prefer BAMF parts listed in the catalog,
but not whole minifigs. They don't have instructions or packaging showing
what an "official" complete BAMF would be, so I think parts only would be best.

David
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

Unless the clamshells have individual barcodes or the individual figures have
barcodes I would be more inclined to see them listed as parts only even thou
that will orphan them. Thou I can see exceptions for advertised (by LEGO) for
figures that are preassembled.
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In Catalog, leopard37 writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

I'd prefer to see BAM parts only in the catalogue. I know that stores are
assembling figures, and then also putting these into the packaging for now, but
as soon as this stops and stores go back to customers picking the parts it will
seem bizarre to have these listed as sets.

I agree that the whole concept is to build the figure how you want. However there
are lots of unique complete figures that TLG has meant to be assembled together.
I think the suggestions from TLG should be able to be found and sold as a complete
fig. There are a few I want to get my own hands on.

In normal times, we assume that LEGO intend them to be put together in a certain
way. That goes against the BL way of definitely go together rather than presumed
to go together. Plus what happens if for example a torso / head / headgear combo
comes out that could be used with any legs and none are obvious? Do all permutations
get added or none? Especially with human figures, the heads could be controversial.
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  I do understand the wish to browse the parts together, so I would suggest prefixing
all parts with "Build-A-Minifigure" or something like this, so you can still
search for that term. And then if a part would start becoming regular in sets,
the description can simply be altered (or not).

There already is such a term:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?q=bam

Problem is that some exclusiv BAM parts are just recolors of existing elements.
Examples:
 
Part No: 12890  Name: Minifigure, Hair Female Long Straight
* 
12890 Minifigure, Hair Female Long Straight
Parts: Minifigure, Hair {Orange}
 
Part No: 970c00pb0495  Name: Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Brown Lower Legs / Boots  Pattern
* 
970c00pb0495 Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Brown Lower Legs / Boots Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated {Dark Blue}

So sometimes only one of several colors is "BAM exclusiv" and it would be wrong
or misleading to add a prefix to the part entry.
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

I'd prefer to see BAM parts only in the catalogue. I know that stores are
assembling figures, and then also putting these into the packaging for now, but
as soon as this stops and stores go back to customers picking the parts it will
seem bizarre to have these listed as sets.

Some parts do make up a single coherent minfig, though, that is a little bit
like a collectible minifig. I do think it'd be a nice thing to somehow keep
track of that in one form or another. There probably will be specific demand
for those. But of course there may be unclarity or disagreement about when this
is the case and when it's really just random parts...

I think that is the problem. Sometimes they make a coherent figure but other
times there might be guesses to what makes a figure. Plus in normal times they
are not sold as sets, so should they be catalogued as sets or even complete figs.
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In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

These elements have release dates, minifig parts and accessories for 3 minifigs
are released each quarter.

Here is good info another member shared:

https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/175722-bam-exclusive-parts-index/

I would suggest adding sets with an ID something like:

BaM2019Q3
BaM2019Q4
BaM2020Q1
BaM2020Q2
BaM2020Q3

And include all this ~15 parts to the inventory plus maybe

 
Gear No: 852766  Name: Blister Pack, Build a Minifigure (BAM) Pack for 3 Minifigures
* 
852766 Blister Pack, Build a Minifigure (BAM) Pack for 3 Minifigures
Gear: Storage: LEGO Brand Store

+1
I believe your idea is the most intuitive option, easy to implement and does
not need any site programming.

  People also want the minifigs but I can't think of a way of adding them all
without gess work...

Then let's only add those figures where it is obvious that the parts belong
together.
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

I'd prefer to see BAM parts only in the catalogue. I know that stores are
assembling figures, and then also putting these into the packaging for now, but
as soon as this stops and stores go back to customers picking the parts it will
seem bizarre to have these listed as sets.

I agree that the whole concept is to build the figure how you want. However there
are lots of unique complete figures that TLG has meant to be assembled together.
I think the suggestions from TLG should be able to be found and sold as a complete
fig. There are a few I want to get my own hands on.

Tyson
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

I'd prefer to see BAM parts only in the catalogue. I know that stores are
assembling figures, and then also putting these into the packaging for now, but
as soon as this stops and stores go back to customers picking the parts it will
seem bizarre to have these listed as sets.

Some parts do make up a single coherent minfig, though, that is a little bit
like a collectible minifig. I do think it'd be a nice thing to somehow keep
track of that in one form or another. There probably will be specific demand
for those. But of course there may be unclarity or disagreement about when this
is the case and when it's really just random parts...
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In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  In Catalog, Gmid writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

Alright, I'm taking the privilege to go first.

Would it be worth it to have a separate subcategory / tag for these kind of unique
parts? I have added quite a lot myself, and they are insanely hard to find as
seller, and possibly even harder to find as a buyer. It would be nice to just
browser through a BAM section to see those unique minifigure parts as inspiration.

I haven't participated in any category discussion at all, but are there options
to give parts a specific 'tag' to help the search? Most modern databases/archives
don't work with categories/subcategories anymore, but simply with tags assisted
by filtering.

I don't think the parts should have a category, there are some torsos that
were previously in a minifig elsewhere.

The problem of looking for the catalog entry when you have them is that as they
don't appear in any inventory, when you search starting in the color guide
part, these parts can't be located in any inventory appearing in XXXX color.

Yes, I agree categories are not the best tool to solve this. Then we could also
move all collectible minifig parts out of the minifig categories, but I prefer
all headgears to remain headgears whether they're from sets or BAM. It may
be nice to browse those rare parts, but IMO it would be better to browse the
full range of headgears without it being important what exactly was the source.
I think that's kind of the strength of the Bricklink concept in the first
place.
Moreover, if parts originally in BAM would make an appearance in regular sets,
they would need to be moved out of the category, which is not ideal.

I do understand the wish to browse the parts together, so I would suggest prefixing
all parts with "Build-A-Minifigure" or something like this, so you can still
search for that term. And then if a part would start becoming regular in sets,
the description can simply be altered (or not).

As for set appearance, how is "Build-A-Minifig" for a set, just a single set,
with a picture of a BAM station in a Lego store? And its inventory will be all
the (unique) parts that appeared there. I am just thinking out loud, don't
know if this is a good idea or not, it would require continuous set inventory
editing..
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In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

These elements have release dates, minifig parts and accessories for 3 minifigs
are released each quarter.

Here is good info another member shared:

https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/175722-bam-exclusive-parts-index/

I would suggest adding sets with an ID something like:

BaM2019Q3
BaM2019Q4
BaM2020Q1
BaM2020Q2
BaM2020Q3

And include all this ~15 parts to the inventory plus maybe

 
Gear No: 852766  Name: Blister Pack, Build a Minifigure (BAM) Pack for 3 Minifigures
* 
852766 Blister Pack, Build a Minifigure (BAM) Pack for 3 Minifigures
Gear: Storage: LEGO Brand Store

People also want the minifigs but I can't think of a way of adding them all
without gess work...

+1
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In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  
  Please tell me what a limb is or a holder and how those terms would be helpful
in identifying a LEGO element.

A limb is the part of a tree that comes off a trunk or branch that has leaves
on.

All my life I thought that this was a limb too:

 
Part No: 981  Name: Arm, Left
* 
981 Arm, Left
Parts: Minifigure, Body Part

 
Part No: 972  Name: Leg, Left
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972 Leg, Left
Parts: Minifigure, Body Part

Yes, “too.”

It’s the Ents: they made a mess of the words.
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  
  Please tell me what a limb is or a holder and how those terms would be helpful
in identifying a LEGO element.

A limb is the part of a tree that comes off a trunk or branch that has leaves
on.

All my life I thought that this was a limb too:

 
Part No: 981  Name: Arm, Left
* 
981 Arm, Left
Parts: Minifigure, Body Part

 
Part No: 972  Name: Leg, Left
* 
972 Leg, Left
Parts: Minifigure, Body Part
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In Catalog, Gmid writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

Alright, I'm taking the privilege to go first.

Would it be worth it to have a separate subcategory / tag for these kind of unique
parts? I have added quite a lot myself, and they are insanely hard to find as
seller, and possibly even harder to find as a buyer. It would be nice to just
browser through a BAM section to see those unique minifigure parts as inspiration.

I haven't participated in any category discussion at all, but are there options
to give parts a specific 'tag' to help the search? Most modern databases/archives
don't work with categories/subcategories anymore, but simply with tags assisted
by filtering.

I don't think the parts should have a category, there are some torsos that
were previously in a minifig elsewhere.

The problem of looking for the catalog entry when you have them is that as they
don't appear in any inventory, when you search starting in the color guide
part, these parts can't be located in any inventory appearing in XXXX color.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Abels_Bricks writes:
  Should the individual parts be added to the catalogue to allow inventories of
the items to be created.

Please submit a couple of these items to the catalog so that we can make a proper
determination.

Also created the smallest box as

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In Catalog, Gmid writes:
  In Catalog, calsbricks writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, calsbricks writes:
  surely this is more appropriate in Bricks, arch
it just seems odd that they are now in slopes

I understand it's frustrating when you get used to something being in one
place and it's somewhere else. Defining categories with written definitions
is something new on BrickLink and did/will require moving some things around.
It's likely to be a work in progress for a while and we may make some missteps
along the way.

In this case, the curved slopes that are now curved slopes are curved slopes
and, even though it will take a little getting used to, I think we got that part
right. By the way, this has been a curved slope since it was added to the catalog
in 2005 and no one seems to mind:

 
Part No: 54095  Name: Slope, Curved 8 x 8 x 2 Double
* 
54095 Slope, Curved 8 x 8 x 2 Double
Parts: Slope, Curved



We mentioned the possibility of moving some parts in June:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1200979

We gave everyone the month of August to provide commentary on the proposed change
in this 150+ message thread:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1213696

We provided multiple reminders of the coming changes during September:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1221489

The parts were moved on October 1st and now it is October 12th.

As for the concern that these parts should be Brick, Arch: they came from the
Brick, Modified category and we weren't inundated with requests to move them
to Brick, Arch prior to them moving to Slope, Curved.

Understand that completely but a couple of things for you to coonsider

1. Not everyone is as into the technicalities of the catalog as you and your
colleagues are - nothing wrong with that but it does mean many of the threads
etc were only casually looked at.

2. We are noticing on orders we receive the changes that you have implemented
and it means we have to re-organise our storage system as our main filing elements
are colour and then category with part no being the final .

So for example the 6091 which I referred to and is referred to by TLG as Brick,
Arch was stored in our bricks modified section. The first order that came in
after 1 oct with that a a slope curved meant we went to the brick modified section
and took all the 6091's (Lots of them) and moved them to the various colour
sections as slopes curved.

We, like others will cope with the catalog changes cause that is what you have
done and we leave that to the cat techies. It simply seemed strange for that
part to be moved to slopes, curved when it clearly is not a slope, even according
to Lego

I know you're much bigger, and have had many more orders than I did, but
I do question your storage here. Genuinely curious, why do you rely on an arbitrary
category assigned by Bricklink in the 90's, over a location system, numbered
shelfs/drawers/whatever, added to the remark?

I would be very nervous leaving my parts somewhere in a black hole, trusting
myself when order picking to head to the right category/subcategory.

Interesting - we do use the remarks for location but our storage system may not
be what you think. We have a section for bulk items (lots of standard parts are
held in bulk) that is all drawers. The rest of the system is organizer trays
from Really Useful Products which in the first instance are broken down into
colour sections and then category withing colour. This has worked fine for us,
although we are always trying to improve it with more drawer units rather than
trays.

Our orders are printed to pdf in the order that suits our system - and that is
what the chaps in the picking department want to keep - personally I would opt
for changing it all to drawers but we would have to close for a while if we did
that and they are against it.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

I'd prefer to see BAM parts only in the catalogue. I know that stores are
assembling figures, and then also putting these into the packaging for now, but
as soon as this stops and stores go back to customers picking the parts it will
seem bizarre to have these listed as sets.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

These elements have release dates, minifig parts and accessories for 3 minifigs
are released each quarter.

Here is good info another member shared:

https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/175722-bam-exclusive-parts-index/

I would suggest adding sets with an ID something like:

BaM2019Q3
BaM2019Q4
BaM2020Q1
BaM2020Q2
BaM2020Q3

And include all this ~15 parts to the inventory plus maybe

 
Gear No: 852766  Name: Blister Pack, Build a Minifigure (BAM) Pack for 3 Minifigures
* 
852766 Blister Pack, Build a Minifigure (BAM) Pack for 3 Minifigures
Gear: Storage: LEGO Brand Store

People also want the minifigs but I can't think of a way of adding them all
without gess work...
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  Please tell me what a limb is or a holder and how those terms would be helpful
in identifying a LEGO element.

A limb is the part of a tree that comes off a trunk or branch that has leaves
on.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.

Alright, I'm taking the privilege to go first.

Would it be worth it to have a separate subcategory / tag for these kind of unique
parts? I have added quite a lot myself, and they are insanely hard to find as
seller, and possibly even harder to find as a buyer. It would be nice to just
browser through a BAM section to see those unique minifigure parts as inspiration.

I haven't participated in any category discussion at all, but are there options
to give parts a specific 'tag' to help the search? Most modern databases/archives
don't work with categories/subcategories anymore, but simply with tags assisted
by filtering.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Abels_Bricks writes:
  Should the individual parts be added to the catalogue to allow inventories of
the items to be created.

Please submit a couple of these items to the catalog so that we can make a proper
determination.

Parts of the small box added (with images) as Gear/Storage if you think they
should be parts let me know.

Part numbers
35014
35015
35016

regards
David
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In Catalog, calsbricks writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, calsbricks writes:
  surely this is more appropriate in Bricks, arch
it just seems odd that they are now in slopes

I understand it's frustrating when you get used to something being in one
place and it's somewhere else. Defining categories with written definitions
is something new on BrickLink and did/will require moving some things around.
It's likely to be a work in progress for a while and we may make some missteps
along the way.

In this case, the curved slopes that are now curved slopes are curved slopes
and, even though it will take a little getting used to, I think we got that part
right. By the way, this has been a curved slope since it was added to the catalog
in 2005 and no one seems to mind:

 
Part No: 54095  Name: Slope, Curved 8 x 8 x 2 Double
* 
54095 Slope, Curved 8 x 8 x 2 Double
Parts: Slope, Curved



We mentioned the possibility of moving some parts in June:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1200979

We gave everyone the month of August to provide commentary on the proposed change
in this 150+ message thread:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1213696

We provided multiple reminders of the coming changes during September:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1221489

The parts were moved on October 1st and now it is October 12th.

As for the concern that these parts should be Brick, Arch: they came from the
Brick, Modified category and we weren't inundated with requests to move them
to Brick, Arch prior to them moving to Slope, Curved.

Understand that completely but a couple of things for you to coonsider

1. Not everyone is as into the technicalities of the catalog as you and your
colleagues are - nothing wrong with that but it does mean many of the threads
etc were only casually looked at.

2. We are noticing on orders we receive the changes that you have implemented
and it means we have to re-organise our storage system as our main filing elements
are colour and then category with part no being the final .

So for example the 6091 which I referred to and is referred to by TLG as Brick,
Arch was stored in our bricks modified section. The first order that came in
after 1 oct with that a a slope curved meant we went to the brick modified section
and took all the 6091's (Lots of them) and moved them to the various colour
sections as slopes curved.

We, like others will cope with the catalog changes cause that is what you have
done and we leave that to the cat techies. It simply seemed strange for that
part to be moved to slopes, curved when it clearly is not a slope, even according
to Lego

I know you're much bigger, and have had many more orders than I did, but
I do question your storage here. Genuinely curious, why do you rely on an arbitrary
category assigned by Bricklink in the 90's, over a location system, numbered
shelfs/drawers/whatever, added to the remark?

I would be very nervous leaving my parts somewhere in a black hole, trusting
myself when order picking to head to the right category/subcategory.
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In Catalog, Leftoverbricks writes:
  In Catalog, calsbricks writes:
  In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  In Catalog, calsbricks writes:
  
 
Part No: 6091  Name: Slope, Curved 2 x 1 x 1 1/3 with Recessed Stud
* 
6091 Slope, Curved 2 x 1 x 1 1/3 with Recessed Stud
Parts: Slope, Curved
being moved to slopes - surely this is more appropriate in Bricks, arch

What if the category was named Slope, round? Would that fit better all slope,
curved plus a couple more items?

Really not sure. TLG call slopes - roof tiles;

6091 is called Brick with Arvh - it just seems odd that they are now in slopes

You are long enough around here to know that TLG names are very vague and not
really helpful for people searching for certain bricks.
That's one of the reasons Bricklink was created.
 
Part No: 2423  Name: Plant Leaves 4 x 3
* 
2423 Plant Leaves 4 x 3
Parts: Plant
is called LIMB ELEMENT SMALL by TLG

 
Part No: 4085d  Name: Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Open O Clip Thick (Vertical Grip)
* 
4085d Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Open O Clip Thick (Vertical Grip)
Parts: Plate, Modified
is called: PLATE 1X1 W. HOLDER by TLG

Please tell me what a limb is or a holder and how those terms would be helpful
in identifying a LEGO element.

Personally I consider your post as not helpful at all. Please read the
posts (with extensive explanations) from catalogue admin Stormchaser.

I see no reason why the post was unhelpful. It simply asked for the reasons why
that was moved. How is that unhelpful
  
(and install a spell check plug-in to your browser or phone --- "arvh")

There is one that just got missed No one, including you , is perfect.
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Per the catalog roadmap, we're now taking suggestions for what we should
do with BAM sets, parts, and figures. Please provide specific suggestions for
how you'd prefer to see these items handled and the rationale for your preferred
method.
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In Catalog, calsbricks writes:
  In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  In Catalog, calsbricks writes:
  
 
Part No: 6091  Name: Slope, Curved 2 x 1 x 1 1/3 with Recessed Stud
* 
6091 Slope, Curved 2 x 1 x 1 1/3 with Recessed Stud
Parts: Slope, Curved
being moved to slopes - surely this is more appropriate in Bricks, arch

What if the category was named Slope, round? Would that fit better all slope,
curved plus a couple more items?

Really not sure. TLG call slopes - roof tiles;

6091 is called Brick with Arvh - it just seems odd that they are now in slopes

You are long enough around here to know that TLG names are very vague and not
really helpful for people searching for certain bricks.
That's one of the reasons Bricklink was created.
 
Part No: 2423  Name: Plant Leaves 4 x 3
* 
2423 Plant Leaves 4 x 3
Parts: Plant
is called LIMB ELEMENT SMALL by TLG

 
Part No: 4085d  Name: Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Open O Clip Thick (Vertical Grip)
* 
4085d Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Open O Clip Thick (Vertical Grip)
Parts: Plate, Modified
is called: PLATE 1X1 W. HOLDER by TLG

Please tell me what a limb is or a holder and how those terms would be helpful
in identifying a LEGO element.

Personally I consider your post as not helpful at all. Please read the
posts (with extensive explanations) from catalogue admin Stormchaser.

(and install a spell check plug-in to your browser or phone --- "arvh")
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, calsbricks writes:
  surely this is more appropriate in Bricks, arch
it just seems odd that they are now in slopes

I understand it's frustrating when you get used to something being in one
place and it's somewhere else. Defining categories with written definitions
is something new on BrickLink and did/will require moving some things around.
It's likely to be a work in progress for a while and we may make some missteps
along the way.

In this case, the curved slopes that are now curved slopes are curved slopes
and, even though it will take a little getting used to, I think we got that part
right. By the way, this has been a curved slope since it was added to the catalog
in 2005 and no one seems to mind:

 
Part No: 54095  Name: Slope, Curved 8 x 8 x 2 Double
* 
54095 Slope, Curved 8 x 8 x 2 Double
Parts: Slope, Curved



We mentioned the possibility of moving some parts in June:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1200979

We gave everyone the month of August to provide commentary on the proposed change
in this 150+ message thread:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1213696

We provided multiple reminders of the coming changes during September:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1221489

The parts were moved on October 1st and now it is October 12th.

As for the concern that these parts should be Brick, Arch: they came from the
Brick, Modified category and we weren't inundated with requests to move them
to Brick, Arch prior to them moving to Slope, Curved.

Understand that completely but a couple of things for you to coonsider

1. Not everyone is as into the technicalities of the catalog as you and your
colleagues are - nothing wrong with that but it does mean many of the threads
etc were only casually looked at.

2. We are noticing on orders we receive the changes that you have implemented
and it means we have to re-organise our storage system as our main filing elements
are colour and then category with part no being the final .

So for example the 6091 which I referred to and is referred to by TLG as Brick,
Arch was stored in our bricks modified section. The first order that came in
after 1 oct with that a a slope curved meant we went to the brick modified section
and took all the 6091's (Lots of them) and moved them to the various colour
sections as slopes curved.

We, like others will cope with the catalog changes cause that is what you have
done and we leave that to the cat techies. It simply seemed strange for that
part to be moved to slopes, curved when it clearly is not a slope, even according
to Lego
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In Catalog, calsbricks writes:
  surely this is more appropriate in Bricks, arch
it just seems odd that they are now in slopes

I understand it's frustrating when you get used to something being in one
place and it's somewhere else. Defining categories with written definitions
is something new on BrickLink and did/will require moving some things around.
It's likely to be a work in progress for a while and we may make some missteps
along the way.

In this case, the curved slopes that are now curved slopes are curved slopes
and, even though it will take a little getting used to, I think we got that part
right. By the way, this has been a curved slope since it was added to the catalog
in 2005 and no one seems to mind:

 
Part No: 54095  Name: Slope, Curved 8 x 8 x 2 Double
* 
54095 Slope, Curved 8 x 8 x 2 Double
Parts: Slope, Curved



We mentioned the possibility of moving some parts in June:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1200979

We gave everyone the month of August to provide commentary on the proposed change
in this 150+ message thread:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1213696

We provided multiple reminders of the coming changes during September:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1221489

The parts were moved on October 1st and now it is October 12th.

As for the concern that these parts should be Brick, Arch: they came from the
Brick, Modified category and we weren't inundated with requests to move them
to Brick, Arch prior to them moving to Slope, Curved.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  eductaional.

Was this word misspelled on purpose for the irony or merely because the author
didn't proofread? Who can say?

The author could.  But who’d believe them?
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In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  In Catalog, calsbricks writes:
  
 
Part No: 6091  Name: Slope, Curved 2 x 1 x 1 1/3 with Recessed Stud
* 
6091 Slope, Curved 2 x 1 x 1 1/3 with Recessed Stud
Parts: Slope, Curved
being moved to slopes - surely this is more appropriate in Bricks, arch

What if the category was named Slope, round? Would that fit better all slope,
curved plus a couple more items?

Really not sure. TLG call slopes - roof tiles;

6091 is called Brick with Arvh - it just seems odd that they are now in slopes
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  eductaional.

Was this word misspelled on purpose for the irony or merely because the author
didn't proofread? Who can say?
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  Brickset has a good write-up for them, showing what the parts are and also lists
the number IDs.

Thank you for that link. Very eductaional.

If members want the constituent parts of the boxes in the catalog, they'd
probably be approved as the Gear item type rather than the Parts item type.
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In Catalog, calsbricks writes:
  
 
Part No: 6091  Name: Slope, Curved 2 x 1 x 1 1/3 with Recessed Stud
* 
6091 Slope, Curved 2 x 1 x 1 1/3 with Recessed Stud
Parts: Slope, Curved
being moved to slopes - surely this is more appropriate in Bricks, arch

What if the category was named Slope, round? Would that fit better all slope,
curved plus a couple more items?
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yorbrick (1182)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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Apr 11, 2011 Contact Member Seller
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Store: Yorbricks
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Abels_Bricks writes:
  Should the individual parts be added to the catalogue to allow inventories of
the items to be created.

Please submit a couple of these items to the catalog so that we can make a proper
determination.

https://brickset.com/article/53695

Brickset has a good write-up for them, showing what the parts are and also lists
the number IDs.

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