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 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 10:57
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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

Yes, true. UK hasn't got it on the track. EU does however. On the short term
EU draws the longest straw, more and more companies are moving away from UK in
favor of EU or elsewhere. That is a loss for the UK regrettably, but needles
to say UK wanted the Brexit no the EU. On the long run it is inconclusive if
this development is a good thing. Cooperation is imo the better road how complicated
it might be.

So maybe it is the best of worst to exclude UK for now. Until they got their
things together. But I give you this, it is very complicated.

Things are together, at least at other websites. I've ordered non-lego parts
from aliexpress since the change from different sellers. VAT was charged and
all were clear on the declaration that VAT was paid. Similarly I've ordered
lego parts from Germany, via another online marketplace website, VAT paid there
too.
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 09:02
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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

Yes, true. UK hasn't got it on the track. EU does however. On the short term
EU draws the longest straw, more and more companies are moving away from UK in
favor of EU or elsewhere. That is a loss for the UK regrettably, but needles
to say UK wanted the Brexit no the EU. On the long run it is inconclusive if
this development is a good thing. Cooperation is imo the better road how complicated
it might be.

So maybe it is the best of worst to exclude UK for now. Until they got their
things together. But I give you this, it is very complicated.

We will bide our time before we make up our mind on the way forward - a lot depends
o how BL deal with it and that, according to them, is still pretty much unknown.

We have turned away a few orders since Jan 1 from different areas in the EU -
ione we processed and a simple cn22 - posted it and the buyer got it in good
time and here were no snags (Switzerland - which isn't really part of the
EU but all went okay).
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 08:24
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In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

Yes, true. UK hasn't got it on the track. EU does however. On the short term
EU draws the longest straw, more and more companies are moving away from UK in
favor of EU or elsewhere. That is a loss for the UK regrettably, but needles
to say UK wanted the Brexit no the EU. On the long run it is inconclusive if
this development is a good thing. Cooperation is imo the better road how complicated
it might be.

So maybe it is the best of worst to exclude UK for now. Until they got their
things together. But I give you this, it is very complicated.
 Author: Stacey_Love View Messages Posted By Stacey_Love
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 07:10
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In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  […]
  https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses

That is because many other sites link to the gov.uk pages. So rather than just
have dead links, they tell you it is now out of date, so you know to look up
the correct information on the site.

Considering the URL, that page should never be a dead link.  That page should
always contain the up-to-date info, not obsolete info with a tiny warning.

If a site links to that page as a reference to something the site says while
that something is not true anymore, it’s the site’s problem.

Exactly, england webpages are not correct, chamber du commerce dite CN 23, c’est
obligatoire pour le anglaise
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 07:02
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In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  […]
  https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses

That is because many other sites link to the gov.uk pages. So rather than just
have dead links, they tell you it is now out of date, so you know to look up
the correct information on the site.

Considering the URL, that page should never be a dead link.  That page should
always contain the up-to-date info, not obsolete info with a tiny warning.

If a site links to that page as a reference to something the site says while
that something is not true anymore, it’s the site’s problem.
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 06:33
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
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  No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.

With all due respect, as one of those who have closed down sales to the UK and
losing some busienss because of it, you went and registered as an Online Marketplace
all by yourselves when even the worst advisor would have told you, BrickLink
is not an OMP for UK VAT purposes. If you had to register as a vendor for VAT
purposes that would have allowed you to collect VAT on your fees and pay VAT
on your sales originating in the UK when you have AFOL program again which is
part of your UK turnover.

But by registering as an online marketplace vendor you are factually liable to
collect the VAT on every export sale to the UK made on this platform. You are
also factually liable to give buyers invoices as sellers are not the vendors.
You do not have to share the VAT number with me, all you have you to do is, when
a buyer place an order, invoice the buyer VAT inclusive, collect the money and
disburse it - VAT to the government, sale and shipping to me, exactly as an online
marketplace for UK VAT purposes is supposed to do.

Certainly, if your advisors are spinning their wheels, you should get other advisors.
BrickLink is not only responsible to BrickLink. If you view BrickLink as a marketplace,
then BrickLink is responsible to buyers and sellers as well. And that is where
you are missing the pot and messing on the floor and we all have to wade in the
mess caused by it. If your registration is not as an OMP fior UK VAT purposes,
but as a normal UK vendor, then say so so that sellers can register for VAT and
be done with it. But please do not tell me that you are an online OMP for UK
VAT purposes then still require of me to invoice a buyer - that birdie don't
fly.

And as has been mentioned - the UK is not in the EU any longer - it does not
require input from the government or a tax advisor to fix a search function which
has been wrong for almost two months.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 06:29
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In Suggestions, Stacey_Love writes:
  In Suggestions, Stellar writes:
  In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.

We have already pointed you links from the UK Gov website (authorities) explaining
things.

BL is still charging EU VAT in sales to UK, and that is without doubt illegal...
At least we sellers can disable it. But for sales under 135GBP B2C it is illegal
not to charge UK 20% VAT and remit it to UK HMRC.

Those are factually correct...

If the problem is if you are legally not sure if BL is an OMP or not, this maybe
needs a decision of just accepting it is a OMP even thought legally could be
defended is not (hypothetically).

Then decide to gather the UK VAT the same as US TAX, that would make BL a stronger
platform, because the other option means BL sellers will have to register by
themselves and most would not do it. This will mostly close the international
UK buying options.

And this would happen again and again as each country creates new laws to collect
VAT on buyers behalf. US and Norway since last year, UK since two months ago,
EU in four months from now...

Here is what other website puts on the invoices to UK if this helps:

20% UK Import VAT has been paid on this order via the online marketplace XXXXXXXXX
Ltd with VAT ID GBXXXXXXXXX. For more information see https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-in-the-uk-using-online-marketplaces

You already have the development to take a % fee from a PayPal or Stripe payment,
this would work the same for now, even simpler because it would be a fixed VAT
rate depending of the buyer country.
But best would be if offsite payments would be accepted too, and in those cases
the % VAT owed to BL from the seller paid by IBAN transfer that has no fees for
most, we understand this can come at a later date.

Russell, sincerely, what I mean is just one question...

What are your tax professionals expecting to hear from the authorities that it
is not already explained in the UK GOV website?

Thanks

I particularly like the uk.gov website regarding distance selling, this is there
advice."

The Brexit transition period has ended and new rules on distance selling now
apply. This page is currently out of date.



https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses

That is because many other sites link to the gov.uk pages. So rather than just
have dead links, they tell you it is now out of date, so you know to look up
the correct information on the site.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 06:26
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In Suggestions, Stacey_Love writes:
  In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.


And what are we supposed to do in the meantime ?. ......... Is the only option
to register for england vat, or exclude selling to england ?.

And can you fix the selling zones as england is defiantly not in the EU. Thanks.

There is no such thing as England VAT. Similarly you cannot exclude just England.
There is UK VAT, and you can exclude UK.
 Author: Stacey_Love View Messages Posted By Stacey_Love
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In Suggestions, Stellar writes:
  In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.

We have already pointed you links from the UK Gov website (authorities) explaining
things.

BL is still charging EU VAT in sales to UK, and that is without doubt illegal...
At least we sellers can disable it. But for sales under 135GBP B2C it is illegal
not to charge UK 20% VAT and remit it to UK HMRC.

Those are factually correct...

If the problem is if you are legally not sure if BL is an OMP or not, this maybe
needs a decision of just accepting it is a OMP even thought legally could be
defended is not (hypothetically).

Then decide to gather the UK VAT the same as US TAX, that would make BL a stronger
platform, because the other option means BL sellers will have to register by
themselves and most would not do it. This will mostly close the international
UK buying options.

And this would happen again and again as each country creates new laws to collect
VAT on buyers behalf. US and Norway since last year, UK since two months ago,
EU in four months from now...

Here is what other website puts on the invoices to UK if this helps:

20% UK Import VAT has been paid on this order via the online marketplace XXXXXXXXX
Ltd with VAT ID GBXXXXXXXXX. For more information see https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-in-the-uk-using-online-marketplaces

You already have the development to take a % fee from a PayPal or Stripe payment,
this would work the same for now, even simpler because it would be a fixed VAT
rate depending of the buyer country.
But best would be if offsite payments would be accepted too, and in those cases
the % VAT owed to BL from the seller paid by IBAN transfer that has no fees for
most, we understand this can come at a later date.

Russell, sincerely, what I mean is just one question...

What are your tax professionals expecting to hear from the authorities that it
is not already explained in the UK GOV website?

Thanks

I particularly like the uk.gov website regarding distance selling, this is there
advice."

The Brexit transition period has ended and new rules on distance selling now
apply. This page is currently out of date.



https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 06:05
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.

We have already pointed you links from the UK Gov website (authorities) explaining
things.

BL is still charging EU VAT in sales to UK, and that is without doubt illegal...
At least we sellers can disable it. But for sales under 135GBP B2C it is illegal
not to charge UK 20% VAT and remit it to UK HMRC.

Those are factually correct...

If the problem is if you are legally not sure if BL is an OMP or not, this maybe
needs a decision of just accepting it is a OMP even thought legally could be
defended is not (hypothetically).

Then decide to gather the UK VAT the same as US TAX, that would make BL a stronger
platform, because the other option means BL sellers will have to register by
themselves and most would not do it. This will mostly close the international
UK buying options.

And this would happen again and again as each country creates new laws to collect
VAT on buyers behalf. US and Norway since last year, UK since two months ago,
EU in four months from now...

Here is what other website puts on the invoices to UK if this helps:

20% UK Import VAT has been paid on this order via the online marketplace XXXXXXXXX
Ltd with VAT ID GBXXXXXXXXX. For more information see https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-in-the-uk-using-online-marketplaces

You already have the development to take a % fee from a PayPal or Stripe payment,
this would work the same for now, even simpler because it would be a fixed VAT
rate depending of the buyer country.
But best would be if offsite payments would be accepted too, and in those cases
the % VAT owed to BL from the seller paid by IBAN transfer that has no fees for
most, we understand this can come at a later date.

Russell, sincerely, what I mean is just one question...

What are your tax professionals expecting to hear from the authorities that it
is not already explained in the UK GOV website?

Thanks
 Author: LegoLDK View Messages Posted By LegoLDK
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 06:04
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LegoLDK (32)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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Isn’t a lot of the problem the very poor communication though? If Bricklink said
“ VAT is now payable for imports, if sellers are registered charge VAT and ship
with proof, if not warn your buyers that VAT is payable on receipt and may incur
additional charges” then sellers could decide how to proceed for themselves.
But instead Bricklink said “we are registered and it’s our liability” with no
explanation how this will work and saying they can’t/won’t share VAT number.
No one knows where they stand.

VAT isn’t really a Brexit issue. As everyone will find out when EU VAT comes
in in July. Will the world stop selling to the EU then too???

And the UK still coming up in EU searches isn’t a tax advisor issue. It’s just
couldn’t be bothered to prepare for an event that had years’ of forewarning.
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 05:18
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calsbricks (8501)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.

I think most of us who are following this issue are well aware of the issues
you are facing. Personally I would much rather wait till more is known and all
aspects of the vat introduction are dealt with e..g non-registered vat stores.
I believe I worked out that there are possibly less than 1% of UK stores who
are registered and , in the main, their registration is not based on Bricklink
turnover alone.

So maybe with the delay we can sort out other things that are not working as
intended, or simply broken.

Using the development method that you guys do requires almost a constant stream
of patching and whilst that method has its followers and believers not everyone
agrees and the crux of using your chosen method is the need to patch and patch
and patch - and that does not look like it is happening.

Anyway good luck with the vat - in the meantime, like many others we have stopped
selling to non-domestic buyers - which has to be hitting BL's bottom line
as more and more stores choose that route.
 Author: Stacey_Love View Messages Posted By Stacey_Love
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 04:48
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Stacey_Love (8293)

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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.


And what are we supposed to do in the meantime ?. ......... Is the only option
to register for england vat, or exclude selling to england ?.

And can you fix the selling zones as england is defiantly not in the EU. Thanks.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 04:31
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In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 03:41
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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to
 
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 02:43
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Store: Leggodt.nl
In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Feb 20, 2021 17:45
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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).
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 Posted: Feb 20, 2021 17:35
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Location:  Netherlands, Overijssel
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Store: Leggodt.nl
In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..
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 Posted: Feb 20, 2021 16:56
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Location:  Netherlands, Utrecht
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Store: BLOKJESKONING
In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Feb 20, 2021 16:27
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In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.
 Author: Brickwilbo View Messages Posted By Brickwilbo
 Posted: Feb 20, 2021 14:43
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In Suggestions, Thebrickaholicu writes:
  Afternoon everyone!

I was wondering if there is any movement / thoughts towards a better website
experience on mobile /
Tablet.

https://www.bricklink.com/r3/main.page

  
I find it almost unusable and hard to believe in this day and age.
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Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten
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Afternoon everyone!

I was wondering if there is any movement / thoughts towards a better website
experience on mobile /
Tablet.

I find it almost unusable and hard to believe in this day and age.
 Author: suzanator View Messages Posted By suzanator
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I have a bunch of wanted lists, and I like to prioritize my lists in order to
keep track of the ones for which I am actively purchasing parts. Can you please
make it so that the organization selection of choice (in my case by "Name") stays?
Currently, when I leave wanted list and come back, the organization reverts
back to the default to arrange by "Newest". TIA!
 Author: 0to60 View Messages Posted By 0to60
 Posted: Feb 19, 2021 11:45
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Location:  USA, Missouri
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In Suggestions, BasKrie writes:
  In Suggestions, Stellar writes:
  In Suggestions, mike1burns writes:
  When you are in a store and filter by items on your wanted list the auto-fill
[min | max] option appears. However, it seems as both of these options are useless
in their current state and a different option would be useful.

auto-fill max automatically adds all pieces a seller has available to your cart.
If you want 1 and the seller has 14,000 you get 14,000 added. I'm not sure
how that is useful. You have to manually adjust every lot to the correct qty.

The max is good when you have a wanted list of items you want to get in high
qtys, so whenever you find a store with good prices, you can open that WL and
click max.

  
auto-fill min automatically selects the number you have set in your wanted list
but ignores price, so if a seller has a $.01 piece listed for $400 you get that
in your cart. You again have to manually adjust every lot.

Yeah, it would be great if the max price would do something when auto-filling
min
  
A much more useful feature would be an autofill like the autofill min that fills
in the correct qty, but one that also accounts for the max price that you have
set in your wanted list and does not add pieces to your cart that are more than
you want to pay.

Maybe an extra filter option would do the trick
"Hide Items if Price is ≥ Max price"
That way you you could see only the items you want from the store and use the
min/max options as they are.

I love this suggestion as an extra filter option.
 Author: Brickwilbo View Messages Posted By Brickwilbo
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In Suggestions, SezaR writes:
  In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, BrickEmAll writes:
  Hi,

I was wondering if it’s possible to let people see which country they’re from
(little flags). For instance: at the feedback page of a store. So new buyers
can see directly (flag) the feedback posts of fellow countrymen. It would be
more convincing for them to buy from other countries. And with this COVID it
will help to convince them that shipping is ok from other countries.


There are already national flags on feedback pages.

https://www.bricklink.com/feedbackSettings.asp?viewFrom=P

hey Wilbo,
While I see many of your comments repeatedly, I had not seen this one before
in the past few year, and I already checked the box. It's so cool

👍
 Author: BrickEmAll View Messages Posted By BrickEmAll
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In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, BrickEmAll writes:
  Hi,

I was wondering if it’s possible to let people see which country they’re from
(little flags). For instance: at the feedback page of a store. So new buyers
can see directly (flag) the feedback posts of fellow countrymen. It would be
more convincing for them to buy from other countries. And with this COVID it
will help to convince them that shipping is ok from other countries.


There are already national flags on feedback pages.

https://www.bricklink.com/feedbackSettings.asp?viewFrom=P

Hi again,

If you visit a store and go to feedback people can’t instantly see the flag.
 
 Author: Hurt View Messages Posted By Hurt
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While I knew about the setting to show flags on the regular feedback page, I'd
love to see them in a store's feedback page (when you click on "Orders" or
feedback rating in the top right corner) as well!

In Suggestions, BrickEmAll writes:
  Hi,

I was wondering if it’s possible to let people see which country they’re from
(little flags). For instance: at the feedback page of a store. So new buyers
can see directly (flag) the feedback posts of fellow countrymen. It would be
more convincing for them to buy from other countries. And with this COVID it
will help to convince them that shipping is ok from other countries.

Just an idea

Greets

Joeri & Belinda
BrickEmAll / BricksNstuff
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In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, BrickEmAll writes:
  Hi,

I was wondering if it’s possible to let people see which country they’re from
(little flags). For instance: at the feedback page of a store. So new buyers
can see directly (flag) the feedback posts of fellow countrymen. It would be
more convincing for them to buy from other countries. And with this COVID it
will help to convince them that shipping is ok from other countries.


There are already national flags on feedback pages.

https://www.bricklink.com/feedbackSettings.asp?viewFrom=P

hey Wilbo,
While I see many of your comments repeatedly, I had not seen this one before
in the past few year, and I already checked the box. It's so cool
 Author: StephenB76 View Messages Posted By StephenB76
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In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, BrickEmAll writes:
  Hi,

I was wondering if it’s possible to let people see which country they’re from
(little flags). For instance: at the feedback page of a store. So new buyers
can see directly (flag) the feedback posts of fellow countrymen. It would be
more convincing for them to buy from other countries. And with this COVID it
will help to convince them that shipping is ok from other countries.


There are already national flags on feedback pages.

https://www.bricklink.com/feedbackSettings.asp?viewFrom=P

I think you'll find he means when you go to a store's feedback page rather
than a personal feedback page. So that way although they may have shipping to
your country selected as an option you can see if anyone from your country has
bought from them recently and what the transaction was like.
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In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, BrickEmAll writes:
  Hi,

I was wondering if it’s possible to let people see which country they’re from
(little flags). For instance: at the feedback page of a store. So new buyers
can see directly (flag) the feedback posts of fellow countrymen. It would be
more convincing for them to buy from other countries. And with this COVID it
will help to convince them that shipping is ok from other countries.


There are already national flags on feedback pages.

https://www.bricklink.com/feedbackSettings.asp?viewFrom=P
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In Suggestions, BrickEmAll writes:
  Hi,

I was wondering if it’s possible to let people see which country they’re from
(little flags). For instance: at the feedback page of a store. So new buyers
can see directly (flag) the feedback posts of fellow countrymen. It would be
more convincing for them to buy from other countries. And with this COVID it
will help to convince them that shipping is ok from other countries.


There are already national flags on feedback pages.
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Hi,

I was wondering if it’s possible to let people see which country they’re from
(little flags). For instance: at the feedback page of a store. So new buyers
can see directly (flag) the feedback posts of fellow countrymen. It would be
more convincing for them to buy from other countries. And with this COVID it
will help to convince them that shipping is ok from other countries.

Just an idea

Greets

Joeri & Belinda
BrickEmAll / BricksNstuff
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

To satisfy my own curiosity, BL did spell them as 'GREY' up until somewhere
around late Summer or early Fall of 2002, then they flipped to 'GRAY'.
This was, IIRC, just before the new shades of gray came out, and was changed
because some felt that spelling it as GREY was a Euro spelling. Something like
that. This is based on old email archives (which I still have until the HD dies).

Then the bleys arrived, and much hair was pulled out.

Nita Rae
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If jokes allowed, and names stay the same in the end:

I propose we spell 'em backwards, as they have backward-compatibility

Yrag thgil (until 2003)
Yrag krad (ultil 2003)

Bonus points:
-they seems so nordic that vikings will love us form Valhalla
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In Suggestions, brickglen writes:
  In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

  I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?

We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.

On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.

And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.

I think using the color numbers is a good idea, it would remove any ambiguity.
There could be an account option for each user to select which group of color
names is used to appear beside the number. So if someone wants to work with the
official lego names they could choose that option. Or the peeron names, bricklink
names - could even have options for other languages. It wouldn't be a large
table table to maintain.

Colour names are used in different ways. They are used as base part colours but
also used in descriptions as text. So any scheme would need to cover both uses.

Reusing names is a very bad idea especially if bricklink only announced it in
the forum, or only announced it once. People come and go over long timescales
and there would need to be constant reminders about changes such as reusing colour
names for different colours. We cannot have long time but infrequent users coming
back one day, buying a load of light gray parts and getting what they think is
LBG.
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.

Uh oh.... If that ever happens, it better be announced weeks in advance and
reminded daily, because otherwise that'd cause a heck of a lot of problems
for everyone who is syncing inventory or downloading inventory for whatever purpose,
plus Brickstock needs to be updated the exact same second as Bricklink rolls
out the new numbers, etc etc... and then still it's gonna cause heaps of
conflicts and mis-listed inventory for many folks who managed to not check the
forum at any point...

Don't really see the benefit, because the numbers only appear in the links,
and people who use links and numbers are not simply browsing, they're using
some type of system. And when using systems, changes are trouble.
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

  I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?

We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.

On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.

And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.

I think using the color numbers is a good idea, it would remove any ambiguity.
There could be an account option for each user to select which group of color
names is used to appear beside the number. So if someone wants to work with the
official lego names they could choose that option. Or the peeron names, bricklink
names - could even have options for other languages. It wouldn't be a large
table table to maintain.
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  I told one joke 3 years ago and it didn't go over very well.

Ace in the hole this time, you nailed it!
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In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
  In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
  In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
  In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
  I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.

I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be

Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

BWAAA HA HA HA!

Russell, I didn’t know you were allowed to tell jokes!?!

I told one joke 3 years ago and it didn't go over very well.
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
  In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
  In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
  I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.

I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be

Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

BWAAA HA HA HA!

Russell, I didn’t know you were allowed to tell jokes!?!
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
  In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
  In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
  I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.

I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be

Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

Can we not include the date it was retired for more clarity?

Light bluish Grey = Light Grey
Light Grey = Light Grey 2003
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In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
  In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  […]
How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

Methinks that suggestion about sarcastic fonts should really be implemented

If I got punked by Russell, I am going to have a good laugh.
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
  In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
  In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
  I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.

I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be

Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

I had a laugh!
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In Suggestions, BricksThatStick writes:
  In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:

  The only Greys on BrickLink are Gandalf and Phoenix.
Jen

And you as well now because I will forever more think of you as Jennifer Grey.

Just do not put her in a corner!
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In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
  In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  
  
Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

That would be hilarious! And terrible.

We could call retired colors 'colours' too. It would be a theme.

For consistency, retired colours would need to be 'colors' if American
spellings are used for the retired greys.

  The only Greys on BrickLink are Gandalf and Phoenix.

Don't forget Fenrir Greyback.

Oh, I missed that one! Should remember to use the * when I search.

Jen
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In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
  In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  
  
Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

That would be hilarious! And terrible.

We could call retired colors 'colours' too. It would be a theme.

For consistency, retired colours would need to be 'colors' if American
spellings are used for the retired greys.

  The only Greys on BrickLink are Gandalf and Phoenix.

Don't forget Fenrir Greyback.
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  […]
How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

Methinks that suggestion about sarcastic fonts should really be implemented
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

  How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

No offense meant, but that is a not a good idea. "Gray" and "Grey" mean the exact
same thing, so "Light Gray" and "Light Grey" mean the exact same thing.

Any names chosen for the different grays are going to be confusing to some people,
no matter what. It is absolutely unavoidable. The names BrickLink uses are ingrained
in the LEGO culture worldwide. They may be confusing to some new to the hobby,
but any color names are going to be confusing to those new to the hobby. The
history of LEGO has a rich color palette that needs to be *learned*, and that
is also unavoidable. Therefore, I see absolutely no reason to change the names
of the grays unless they are changed to the official LEGO names. That would be
the only one worth considering, since LEGO will never reuse the names ever again
even if they changed to other gray colors in the future. Any other change just
for change's sake is truly unnecessary.

Cheers,
Randy
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In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:

  The only Greys on BrickLink are Gandalf and Phoenix.
Jen

And you as well now because I will forever more think of you as Jennifer Grey.

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