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 Author: Macaronis View Messages Posted By Macaronis
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, Macaronis writes:
  
  We could transfer the data from the factory packing list into the form and upload
it, but we're not going to do that for several reasons, the main one being
that the inventory would then not be tagged "sealed set contents" which is against
our inventories policy.


Say What? Maybe I am missing something but, how is Importing(or manually adding)
a Known Set inventory List(via Administration) going to differ from Johnny Red
Blocks Inventory once he opens the set and comes here to upload it?

Part variants, for one. Extras, for two. Conflicts between the parts list and
the instructions, for three.


  
  The "Sealed
Contents" comment to me is Irrelevant.

But to me as the one ultimately responsible for the catalog's reputation,
it is highly relevant. We have paid a fair price over the years to get that tag
on as many inventories as possible.


Thank you for Responding. I could go on more but I guess I see things differently.
Nothing has a "Sky is Falling" scenario but, just found it odd that there could
have been something worked out to do the inventory due to the situation.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Jul 5, 2019 16:42
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In Administrative, Macaronis writes:
  
  We could transfer the data from the factory packing list into the form and upload
it, but we're not going to do that for several reasons, the main one being
that the inventory would then not be tagged "sealed set contents" which is against
our inventories policy.


Say What? Maybe I am missing something but, how is Importing(or manually adding)
a Known Set inventory List(via Administration) going to differ from Johnny Red
Blocks Inventory once he opens the set and comes here to upload it?

Part variants, for one. Extras, for two. Conflicts between the parts list and
the instructions, for three.

  The "Sealed
Contents" comment to me is Irrelevant.

But to me as the one ultimately responsible for the catalog's reputation,
it is highly relevant. We have paid a fair price over the years to get that tag
on as many inventories as possible.
 Author: Macaronis View Messages Posted By Macaronis
 Posted: Jul 5, 2019 14:47
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  We could transfer the data from the factory packing list into the form and upload
it, but we're not going to do that for several reasons, the main one being
that the inventory would then not be tagged "sealed set contents" which is against
our inventories policy.


Say What? Maybe I am missing something but, how is Importing(or manually adding)
a Known Set inventory List(via Administration) going to differ from Johnny Red
Blocks Inventory once he opens the set and comes here to upload it? The "Sealed
Contents" comment to me is Irrelevant. As someone who would have DB Admin Permissions
could do a SQL update to the variables that need to address whatever flag you
NEED it to be. Not to mention I would rather have a Inventory from the Horses
mouth then a Third Party.

Policy? Considering everything being Equal I see this as a Controlled Inventory
done by BL which means nothing more then a Modified Policy Claus. its not like
another third party would have to do something out of your control or trying
to cheat a system in place.


  
Is there any particular reason we need to populate these inventories quickly?

Efficiency? BL has an Opportunity to take advantage of speeding up an inventory
Process which they would not normally have access to up front. Seems like it
would have been a WIN WIN. If this wasn't a consideration that crossed someone's
desk at BL, I'm not really sure what I am suppose to think. Regardless of
Poor follow up SOMEONE is Eventually going to have to do it. Why wait when someone
has something sitting right in front of them.

I'm not going to say I understand this Convoluted Stuff people keep talking
about Privacy between BL and LEGO. While I didn't sign a NDA or know whats
going on I still do not see any difference between an Official LEGO set or an
AFOL done by or Hatched up by Company B. In the END its LEGO parts and SET.
Its a LEGO trademark which is No different they what is already known. If this
is about Ownership of it, Who owns it BL or LEGO? Which in the end still doesn't
make sense to me.

So I will Leave it at this. If I open up a Set from the AFOL who's replacing
the missing parts someone forgot to place in the Set? If its LEGO's responsibility
its a LEGO SET, if its Bricklink's problem its a Bricklink Set? I still don't
see anything that Hurts or Hinders Either Party other then being HELPFUL when
it comes to Knowledge Base,Customer Service, or Information of Set X.
 Author: WhiteVanMan View Messages Posted By WhiteVanMan
 Posted: Jul 5, 2019 12:09
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In Administrative, JusTiCe8 writes:
  Really ?
Lego seen and used as investment is just ridiculous and kill the whole fun
Sets won't be designed anymore for fun, just for greedy people to get more
$$$ to get more sets to invest into to get more $$$ ...
Quite like Forma sets for instance.
The sets themselves become irrelevant, quality, number of parts, features...
who cares, just the nth set with the boring same features seen thousands of times,
with "exclusive", "collector" and other words on the box, $$$$ for Lego,
for true Lego fans.

I found out about the Forma sets, literally at the last minute , and I was lucky
enough to be able to buy the basic Koi carp one, and I'm really proud of
it as I do like it.

Everyone who's seen it has mentioned that it's a nice set. ( "It's
different", is the common utterance)

I didn't buy this to 'flip', but the thought DID go through my mind
once I saw how much they are now going for, and frankly, I don't care whether
I've lost approx £50 by building the thing.

The Forma set isn't irrelevant, as it did introduce the new pin part that
holds the skin in place.

Anyway, your opinion is yours, and you are welcome to believe that.

I'll enjoy looking at my fish, and I'll secretly hope that LEGO will
make new ones

Paul
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Jul 5, 2019 07:38
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  […]
Wait, what? LEGO has influence on Bricklink?
I always thought we just bought LEGO sets and then uploaded their inventories
on Bricklink. Where does LEGO come in and how is their "permission" relevant?

The ADP is a collaboration with LEGO and LEGO is very protective of their trademarks,
so it’s not surprising that LEGO would have put limits on how the ADP sets should
be treated no BL.
I think that they simply didn’t want there to be a confusion that these sets
were official LEGO sets. Putting them in the catalogue alongside the official
sets could foster this confusion.

Well, on the other hand, there’s BrickArms….

But Brickarms parts are listed as Brickarms brand, so there should be no confusion.

Whereas Bricklink sets are listed as LEGO branded sets. So Bricklink is treating
them as official LEGO sets, as they have the LEGO brand tag.

Yes. It makes no sense.
They don’t make sense.
I’m not making any sense!
You must acquit!
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Jul 5, 2019 07:36
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In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  […]
Wait, what? LEGO has influence on Bricklink?
I always thought we just bought LEGO sets and then uploaded their inventories
on Bricklink. Where does LEGO come in and how is their "permission" relevant?

The ADP is a collaboration with LEGO and LEGO is very protective of their trademarks,
so it’s not surprising that LEGO would have put limits on how the ADP sets should
be treated no BL.
I think that they simply didn’t want there to be a confusion that these sets
were official LEGO sets. Putting them in the catalogue alongside the official
sets could foster this confusion.

Well, on the other hand, there’s BrickArms….

But does that mean that everything that IS in the catalog, is with explicit permission
of LEGO? Aren't you just allowed to buy a product and post online what it
contains?
 Author: McflyProducts View Messages Posted By McflyProducts
 Posted: Jul 5, 2019 07:28
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  […]
Wait, what? LEGO has influence on Bricklink?
I always thought we just bought LEGO sets and then uploaded their inventories
on Bricklink. Where does LEGO come in and how is their "permission" relevant?

The ADP is a collaboration with LEGO and LEGO is very protective of their trademarks,
so it’s not surprising that LEGO would have put limits on how the ADP sets should
be treated no BL.
I think that they simply didn’t want there to be a confusion that these sets
were official LEGO sets. Putting them in the catalogue alongside the official
sets could foster this confusion.

Well, on the other hand, there’s BrickArms….

But Brickarms parts are listed as Brickarms brand, so there should be no confusion.

Whereas Bricklink sets are listed as LEGO branded sets. So Bricklink is treating
them as official LEGO sets, as they have the LEGO brand tag.

Good point, but difficult to determine exactly i guess.

I mean, these sets are made with help from LEGO, only not packed by LEGO, i would
not mind to see them listed as LEGO sets for that reason.

On the other hand, all LEGO listed items should have a by LEGO given name, number
and seal, perhaps that is the way to messure if something is truly LEGO or a
sub brand?
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Jul 5, 2019 07:15
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In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  […]
Wait, what? LEGO has influence on Bricklink?
I always thought we just bought LEGO sets and then uploaded their inventories
on Bricklink. Where does LEGO come in and how is their "permission" relevant?

The ADP is a collaboration with LEGO and LEGO is very protective of their trademarks,
so it’s not surprising that LEGO would have put limits on how the ADP sets should
be treated no BL.
I think that they simply didn’t want there to be a confusion that these sets
were official LEGO sets. Putting them in the catalogue alongside the official
sets could foster this confusion.

Well, on the other hand, there’s BrickArms….

But Brickarms parts are listed as Brickarms brand, so there should be no confusion.

Whereas Bricklink sets are listed as LEGO branded sets. So Bricklink is treating
them as official LEGO sets, as they have the LEGO brand tag.
 
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Jul 5, 2019 06:53
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  […]
Wait, what? LEGO has influence on Bricklink?
I always thought we just bought LEGO sets and then uploaded their inventories
on Bricklink. Where does LEGO come in and how is their "permission" relevant?

The ADP is a collaboration with LEGO and LEGO is very protective of their trademarks,
so it’s not surprising that LEGO would have put limits on how the ADP sets should
be treated no BL.
I think that they simply didn’t want there to be a confusion that these sets
were official LEGO sets. Putting them in the catalogue alongside the official
sets could foster this confusion.

Well, on the other hand, there’s BrickArms….
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  
  As far as I know, BrickLink only received permission from LEGO to add the sets
to the BrickLink catalog very recently. In other words, I don't think the
original decision to not add them was dictated by BrickLink, but by LEGO themselves.
After BrickLink received a lot of feedback about not having them in the catalog,
they probably went back to LEGO to discuss things and ended up with a favorable
decision for all of the LEGO fans out there.

Cheers,
Randy

So if LEGO are making such decisions are these genuine LEGO sets?

I ask as ... https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1147674

Wait, what? LEGO has influence on Bricklink?
I always thought we just bought LEGO sets and then uploaded their inventories
on Bricklink. Where does LEGO come in and how is their "permission" relevant?
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Jul 5, 2019 05:40
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In Administrative, randyf writes:
  In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  
  As far as I know, BrickLink only received permission from LEGO to add the sets
to the BrickLink catalog very recently. In other words, I don't think the
original decision to not add them was dictated by BrickLink, but by LEGO themselves.
After BrickLink received a lot of feedback about not having them in the catalog,
they probably went back to LEGO to discuss things and ended up with a favorable
decision for all of the LEGO fans out there.

Cheers,
Randy

So if LEGO are making such decisions are these genuine LEGO sets?

I ask as ... https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1147674

I am not sure, but the set numbers (19001-19013) have not been officially used
by LEGO and follow the current set numbering scheme for LEGO. I think that is
kind of telling. I have a feeling that these sets in partnership with BrickLink
may be a test bed for an official LEGO program, but it is just a feeling.

Cheers,
Randy

Part of the reason for asking is due to Certified Professional Sets. The are
sort of unofficial official sets with permissions from LEGO, much like these
Bricklink sets. So if Bricklink sets are formally listed as a LEGO product -
and not a Bricklink branded product - then why are Certified Professional Sets
not treated in the same way?
The CPS are not even in the catalogue, let alone listed as a LEGO product.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Jul 4, 2019 17:30
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In Administrative, Macaronis writes:
  
  Only one ADP inventory has been completed so far. Eventually it will show up
in 13 sets.

This makes absolutely NO sense to me. I mean someone would have TECHNICALLY already
have had to do the Bloody Inventory for the sets to box them before they shipped.
They couldn't take an hour of their time and do it? So basically BL has
decided to put it on the Volunteers?


I just can not grasp why something so simple couldn't have been applied.
I mean there has to be something you guys used during this whole process. Granted
on paper or another DB form might be an issue but someone has a paper trail already.
Now someone else has to do even more work for something that could have been
done by you guys.

ARGH!

We could transfer the data from the factory packing list into the form and upload
it, but we're not going to do that for several reasons, the main one being
that the inventory would then not be tagged "sealed set contents" which is against
our inventories policy.

Is there any particular reason we need to populate these inventories quickly?
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Jul 4, 2019 17:11
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In Administrative, randyf writes:
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I am not sure, but the set numbers (19001-19013) have not been officially used
by LEGO and follow the current set numbering scheme for LEGO. I think that is
kind of telling. I have a feeling that these sets in partnership with BrickLink
may be a test bed for an official LEGO program, but it is just a feeling.

But 20001-sqq. and 21001-sqq. have been officialy used.

So, if the ADP continues/is launched again next year (or the next), will BL use
19101-sqq. or 19014-sqq.?
 Author: Adjour View Messages Posted By Adjour
 Posted: Jul 4, 2019 16:13
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In Administrative, JusTiCe8 writes:
( for true Lego fans.
  
Intead of buying bricks, these people could buy gold, silver, oil or whatever,



Not sure how much investing experience you have, but the returns on LEGO are
far higher than anything you've mentioned. My stock investments at best make
me around 20% and Lego is often more like 300%. Gold and silver are hedges only,
they barely keep up with inflation.


I don't think saving sets for later resale "kills the fun". These sets are
available to everyone to buy equally. If you don't buy one, I fail to see
how that's the problem of the people who did. Its not like sets sell out
in 24 hours or something. Everyone has ample opportunity to buy all the same
stuff.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  
  As far as I know, BrickLink only received permission from LEGO to add the sets
to the BrickLink catalog very recently. In other words, I don't think the
original decision to not add them was dictated by BrickLink, but by LEGO themselves.
After BrickLink received a lot of feedback about not having them in the catalog,
they probably went back to LEGO to discuss things and ended up with a favorable
decision for all of the LEGO fans out there.

Cheers,
Randy

So if LEGO are making such decisions are these genuine LEGO sets?

I ask as ... https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1147674

I am not sure, but the set numbers (19001-19013) have not been officially used
by LEGO and follow the current set numbering scheme for LEGO. I think that is
kind of telling. I have a feeling that these sets in partnership with BrickLink
may be a test bed for an official LEGO program, but it is just a feeling.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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  As far as I know, BrickLink only received permission from LEGO to add the sets
to the BrickLink catalog very recently. In other words, I don't think the
original decision to not add them was dictated by BrickLink, but by LEGO themselves.
After BrickLink received a lot of feedback about not having them in the catalog,
they probably went back to LEGO to discuss things and ended up with a favorable
decision for all of the LEGO fans out there.

Cheers,
Randy

So if LEGO are making such decisions are these genuine LEGO sets?

I ask as ... https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1147674
 Author: Macaronis View Messages Posted By Macaronis
 Posted: Jul 4, 2019 12:59
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  Only one ADP inventory has been completed so far. Eventually it will show up
in 13 sets.

This makes absolutely NO sense to me. I mean someone would have TECHNICALLY already
have had to do the Bloody Inventory for the sets to box them before they shipped.
They couldn't take an hour of their time and do it? So basically BL has
decided to put it on the Volunteers?


I just can not grasp why something so simple couldn't have been applied.
I mean there has to be something you guys used during this whole process. Granted
on paper or another DB form might be an issue but someone has a paper trail already.
Now someone else has to do even more work for something that could have been
done by you guys.

ARGH!
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Jul 4, 2019 12:29
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In Administrative, brasletty writes:

  
  
  
  for these sets over the next week or so, and the exclusive element will finally
become "known" in the BrickLink system.

It has been known for a while.

 
Part No: 39789pb01  Name: Technic, Brick 2 x 4 with 3 Axle Holes with '60 years' Pattern
* 
39789pb01 Technic, Brick 2 x 4 with 3 Axle Holes with '60 years' Pattern
Parts: Technic, Brick

Or do you mean the title will change to include the promotion name.

It will appear in the "known colors" list.

this brick will be in only one set ?

Only one ADP inventory has been completed so far. Eventually it will show up
in 13 sets.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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In Administrative, JusTiCe8 writes:
  Really ?

If people want to invest their money, they can do it already with many Lego "exclusive"
sets and crap like that. There are plenty of existing investments.

Lego seen and used as investiment is just ridiculous and kill the whole fun
Sets won't be designed anymore for fun, just for greedy people to get more
$$$ to get more sets to invest into to get more $$$ ...

Investment doesn't work unless someone wants to buy the sets from resellers.
And things don't need to be exclusives to be good investments. Regular retail
sets are good investments if enough people in the future want them.

But it is clear that some BL sets were purchased as investments, whether you
or BL like it. Just from the number already listed here or sold on ebay, some
people were buying them to quick flip them.
 Author: JusTiCe8 View Messages Posted By JusTiCe8
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Really ?

If people want to invest their money, they can do it already with many Lego "exclusive"
sets and crap like that. There are plenty of existing investments.

Lego seen and used as investiment is just ridiculous and kill the whole fun
Sets won't be designed anymore for fun, just for greedy people to get more
$$$ to get more sets to invest into to get more $$$ ...
Quite like Forma sets for instance.
The sets themselves become irrelevant, quality, number of parts, features...
who cares, just the nth set with the boring same features seen thousands of times,
with "exclusive", "collector" and other words on the box, $$$$ for Lego,
for true Lego fans.

Intead of buying bricks, these people could buy gold, silver, oil or whatever,
then market will clean itself by no longer pushing people to make pointless rare
minifigs or sets. Unfortunately, there will always be fools willing to be played
with a dumb smile on their faces.

In Administrative, yorbrick writes:

[...]
Having them selling and recorded as selling at multiple
  times the original price will drive sales for future ones as investments.

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