Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | StormChaser  | | Posted: | May 22, 2020 13:20 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
We haven't forgotten those. They're the main reason why that project
in progress is still in progress. We're just focusing more on the other
two in-progress projects at the moment. They'll all three be finished before
the end of this year (and hopefully, for the project you mention, within the
next three months or so).
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| Author: | the.reminder | | Posted: | May 22, 2020 13:11 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 10159-2 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, mihau writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 3001 White Brick 2 x 4
Comments from Submitter:
I have this set, and I was counting pieces in order to verify completeness. However I have not found a place to use 2x4 white brick in the building instructions. Maybe it appears as extra part.
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I thought i was going crazy I was at the same point as you like ehhhhhhhhhh
mystery solved
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| Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | May 22, 2020 13:00 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | This should had been addressed when these parts started to appear first back
in 2014. Problem with many images is that it's hard to tell if they are MCM
or SCM, especially with the digital images replacing actual images. That being
said, this needs to happen sooner than later. It's an important classification
that affects those that need to know or care.
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I've added this to the roadmap because there is more involved here than just
identifying and retitling MCM parts. It's the most recent project added
(end of the list):
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
Our goal is to get through one project every month. This is not an overly complicated
project, so hopefully it will happen relatively soon. I would suggest this to
anyone reading: begin working on compiling a list of MCM parts so that when we
begin the project we can breeze through it quickly.
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Don't forget about the choice of which of the colors is variable and which
is fixed. See https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=267557 that I brought
up two weeks ago. There is more to it than just the item descriptions.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 22, 2020 12:11 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | This should had been addressed when these parts started to appear first back
in 2014. Problem with many images is that it's hard to tell if they are MCM
or SCM, especially with the digital images replacing actual images. That being
said, this needs to happen sooner than later. It's an important classification
that affects those that need to know or care.
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I've added this to the roadmap because there is more involved here than just
identifying and retitling MCM parts. It's the most recent project added
(end of the list):
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
Our goal is to get through one project every month. This is not an overly complicated
project, so hopefully it will happen relatively soon. I would suggest this to
anyone reading: begin working on compiling a list of MCM parts so that when we
begin the project we can breeze through it quickly.
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | May 22, 2020 11:42 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?
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I would say it needs to be something in the titles, not in the part number.
We would need something very short because torso assemblies where some parts
occur already have crammed titles. So a code, of sorts, like BAM. It will need
to be something not used in any other part titles or numbers.
Having all that in mind, what do you think about adding the letters DMO
(standing for Dual MOlded) to the titles of dual-molded parts?
This would include those parts that come in similar printed/molded patterns
that are not currently distinguished with separate catalog entries.
This will allow two things: finding all dual molded parts in the catalog by search
and excluding dual molded parts from searches.
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Anything to distinguish the Dual MOlded (DMO) from Non-Dual Molded would help.
Although I am not sure people would know what DMO stands for outside of this
thread. I understand the need for a unique acronym.
DCM could be another acronym for Dual Color Mold if you want a 3 letter acronym,
since the O in DMO is not that fitting. This way if they ever do a Triple Color
Mold (TCM) you could distinguish it easily.
Miro
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or MCM for Multi Color Mould to cover any future eventuality.
I changed them when I changed the legs and torsos around based on the theory
Robert mentioned up the thread but I'm glad it was brought up and is being
discussed 
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I like the MCM (Multi Color Mould) acronym. It future proofs things and certainly
distinguishes from SCM (Single Color Mould) parts. Thanks for the suggestion.
This should had been addressed when these parts started to appear first back
in 2014. Problem with many images is that it's hard to tell if they are MCM
or SCM, especially with the digital images replacing actual images. That being
said, this needs to happen sooner than later. It's an important classification
that affects those that need to know or care.
Miro
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| Author: | Mirko8710 | | Posted: | May 22, 2020 09:37 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 70402-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part 2335pb109 Blue Flag 2 x 2 Square with Gold Crown on Blue and White Background Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70806 (Counterpart)
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 22, 2020 05:36 | | Subject: | Re: Is there a difference between 34987 and 24789 | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, gvbricks writes:
| | What is the difference between
[p=34987]
and
[p=24789]
?
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Thanks for catching this
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Maybe add that ID to the alternate?
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 22, 2020 05:36 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | I think we should decide a term that fits more than Dual moulded too, so MCM
is a good option. But we never know if in the future Lego might do hundreds of
dual and triple and future selfs would like to distinguish them 
But as things are, this is not likely the case haha
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Yes, multi-color molded is probably a good idea rather than dual. If for example
there is a piece with A-B-A colouring (like Bart Simpson legs) is that dual or
triple molding? It might be triple molded but dual colored.
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 22, 2020 05:30 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?
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I would say it needs to be something in the titles, not in the part number.
We would need something very short because torso assemblies where some parts
occur already have crammed titles. So a code, of sorts, like BAM. It will need
to be something not used in any other part titles or numbers.
Having all that in mind, what do you think about adding the letters DMO
(standing for Dual MOlded) to the titles of dual-molded parts?
This would include those parts that come in similar printed/molded patterns
that are not currently distinguished with separate catalog entries.
This will allow two things: finding all dual molded parts in the catalog by search
and excluding dual molded parts from searches.
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Anything to distinguish the Dual MOlded (DMO) from Non-Dual Molded would help.
Although I am not sure people would know what DMO stands for outside of this
thread. I understand the need for a unique acronym.
DCM could be another acronym for Dual Color Mold if you want a 3 letter acronym,
since the O in DMO is not that fitting. This way if they ever do a Triple Color
Mold (TCM) you could distinguish it easily.
Miro
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or MCM for Multi Color Mould to cover any future eventuality.
I changed them when I changed the legs and torsos around based on the theory
Robert mentioned up the thread but I'm glad it was brought up and is being
discussed
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I think we should decide a term that fits more than Dual moulded too, so MCM
is a good option. But we never know if in the future Lego might do hundreds of
dual and triple and future selfs would like to distinguish them
But as things are, this is not likely the case haha
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 22, 2020 04:11 | | Subject: | Re: Is there a difference between 34987 and 24789 | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, gvbricks writes:
| | What is the difference between
[p=34987]
and
[p=24789]
?
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Thanks for catching this
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| Author: | gvbricks | | Posted: | May 22, 2020 04:06 | | Subject: | Is there a difference between 34987 and 24789 | | Viewed: | 97 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| What is the difference between
[p=34987]
and
[p=24789]
?
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 21:11 | | Subject: | Re: Have Quantity in Wanted List | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
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| In Inventories, clohr writes:
| | Hi!
I have uploaded a parts inventory to "Wanted List" using the "Have Quantity"
field, I want to export this information, but it is not possible because downloading
does not rescue the information in that field.
How can I export this information??
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It’s in the “QTYFILLED” element in the XML.
(“Want” is in “MINQTY”.)
It works both for download and upload.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 21:07 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 4562-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| This is the only useful pic I could find among my reference pics. You can't
count them, but you can definitely tell that there are more than 6 each of the
blue and red 3003.
In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 8 Part 3003 Blue Brick 2 x 2 (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Add 8 Part 3003 Red Brick 2 x 2 (Alternate) (match ID 2)
* Add 2 Part 41855 Blue Brick, Modified 2 x 2 x 2/3 Two Studs, Lip End (Alternate) (match ID 3)
* Change 8 Part Trans-Dark Blue 3003 Brick 2 x 2 {match ID 0 to 1}
* Change 8 Part Trans-Red 3003 Brick 2 x 2 {match ID 0 to 2}
* Change 2 Part Trans-Red 3039 Slope 45 2 x 2 {match ID 0 to 3}
Comments from Submitter:
I have deleted my previous requests on this set and am doing it a different way.
- On the blue and red bricks, this variance is what I have found when I parted out two sets before and again when I parted out 1 yesterday.
- I was missing the trans-red slopes before and again and last time I didn't know what to balance them with, but this time the blue 41855 (and maybe/probably last time as well, I don't know) were in the bag with the regular parts, not the floor sweepings, so I think they alternate each other.
-I will also record here that when I parted out two sets before, I only got 2 yellow 3005pe1, not 4 and this time when I parted out one set I didn't get any of them. I suspect that this piece belongs in the extras, but I have no handy proof. I am making these requests from work and it now occurs to me that I may have pictures of the unopened bags last time that would shed some light on this. I will check later.
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| Author: | clohr | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 20:20 | | Subject: | Have Quantity in Wanted List | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories | | Status: | Open | |
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| Hi!
I have uploaded a parts inventory to "Wanted List" using the "Have Quantity"
field, I want to export this information, but it is not possible because downloading
does not rescue the information in that field.
How can I export this information??
thanks!!!
Cristóbal
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| Author: | Bricksonbricks7 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 18:45 | | Subject: | Re: Stickers: Space Shuttle Discovery (7470) | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| | In Catalog, Bricksonbricks7 writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| |
In Suggestions, Bricksonbricks7 writes:
| | I was wondering, how can I go about finding the parts with the stickers? it looks
like some of the stickers are placed over multiple parts
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They are in the inventory in the Counterparts section, no?
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Only 4 of them are! For example, the one that says United States is not there!
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That could be added to the sticker over assembly category of the catalog:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?catType=P&catString=582
But it would involve someone carefully removing the bricks together with the
sticker attached and taking a picture to get it approved.
Until someone does that you may not find it for sale unless someone lists it
as a custom item in their store.
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Woah that's super wild! I have one at hand but I'm missing most of the
stickers for it! I was trying to piece it back together but I see that I might
be better to just not do it haha
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| Author: | BricksThatStick | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 18:36 | | Subject: | Re: Stickers: Space Shuttle Discovery (7470) | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Bricksonbricks7 writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| |
In Suggestions, Bricksonbricks7 writes:
| | I was wondering, how can I go about finding the parts with the stickers? it looks
like some of the stickers are placed over multiple parts
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They are in the inventory in the Counterparts section, no?
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Only 4 of them are! For example, the one that says United States is not there!
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That could be added to the sticker over assembly category of the catalog:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?catType=P&catString=582
But it would involve someone carefully removing the bricks together with the
sticker attached and taking a picture to get it approved.
Until someone does that you may not find it for sale unless someone lists it
as a custom item in their store.
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| Author: | Bricksonbricks7 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 18:12 | | Subject: | Re: Stickers: Space Shuttle Discovery (7470) | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| |
In Suggestions, Bricksonbricks7 writes:
| | I was wondering, how can I go about finding the parts with the stickers? it looks
like some of the stickers are placed over multiple parts
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They are in the inventory in the Counterparts section, no?
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Only 4 of them are! For example, the one that says United States is not there!
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 18:08 | | Subject: | Re: Stickers: Space Shuttle Discovery (7470) | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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In Suggestions, Bricksonbricks7 writes:
| | I was wondering, how can I go about finding the parts with the stickers? it looks
like some of the stickers are placed over multiple parts
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They are in the inventory in the Counterparts section, no?
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| Author: | Bricksonbricks7 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 17:56 | | Subject: | Stickers: Space Shuttle Discovery (7470) | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| I was wondering, how can I go about finding the parts with the stickers? it looks
like some of the stickers are placed over multiple parts
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| Author: | BricksThatStick | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 17:47 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?
|
I would say it needs to be something in the titles, not in the part number.
We would need something very short because torso assemblies where some parts
occur already have crammed titles. So a code, of sorts, like BAM. It will need
to be something not used in any other part titles or numbers.
Having all that in mind, what do you think about adding the letters DMO
(standing for Dual MOlded) to the titles of dual-molded parts?
This would include those parts that come in similar printed/molded patterns
that are not currently distinguished with separate catalog entries.
This will allow two things: finding all dual molded parts in the catalog by search
and excluding dual molded parts from searches.
|
Anything to distinguish the Dual MOlded (DMO) from Non-Dual Molded would help.
Although I am not sure people would know what DMO stands for outside of this
thread. I understand the need for a unique acronym.
DCM could be another acronym for Dual Color Mold if you want a 3 letter acronym,
since the O in DMO is not that fitting. This way if they ever do a Triple Color
Mold (TCM) you could distinguish it easily.
Miro
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or MCM for Multi Color Mould to cover any future eventuality.
I changed them when I changed the legs and torsos around based on the theory
Robert mentioned up the thread but I'm glad it was brought up and is being
discussed
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 17:37 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?
|
I would say it needs to be something in the titles, not in the part number.
We would need something very short because torso assemblies where some parts
occur already have crammed titles. So a code, of sorts, like BAM. It will need
to be something not used in any other part titles or numbers.
Having all that in mind, what do you think about adding the letters DMO
(standing for Dual MOlded) to the titles of dual-molded parts?
This would include those parts that come in similar printed/molded patterns
that are not currently distinguished with separate catalog entries.
This will allow two things: finding all dual molded parts in the catalog by search
and excluding dual molded parts from searches.
|
Anything to distinguish the Dual MOlded (DMO) from Non-Dual Molded would help.
Although I am not sure people would know what DMO stands for outside of this
thread. I understand the need for a unique acronym.
DCM could be another acronym for Dual Color Mold if you want a 3 letter acronym,
since the O in DMO is not that fitting. This way if they ever do a Triple Color
Mold (TCM) you could distinguish it easily.
Miro
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 16:54 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?
|
I would say it needs to be something in the titles, not in the part number.
We would need something very short because torso assemblies where some parts
occur already have crammed titles. So a code, of sorts, like BAM. It will need
to be something not used in any other part titles or numbers.
Having all that in mind, what do you think about adding the letters DMO
(standing for Dual MOlded) to the titles of dual-molded parts?
This would include those parts that come in similar printed/molded patterns
that are not currently distinguished with separate catalog entries.
This will allow two things: finding all dual molded parts in the catalog by search
and excluding dual molded parts from searches.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 16:48 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | Should dual molded legs or arms in their respective assemblies really be considered
as decorated?
To me BL considered the decorated as by means of printing or applying decoration
using stickers.
example
the reasoning is, how is that any different from legs assembly with single color
legs but different color hips or mismatched leg colors?
I feel the same way about dual molded arms
There are reasons for not separating them, mainly for new buyers not knowing
or caring about the difference or just the general way of looking at it, but
I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
Any thoughts?
Miro
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I support the change. Also the pics you posted are lovely.
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LOL 
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 16:39 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 3723-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, dromeracer writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, dromeracer writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, dromeracer writes:
| | my own item of this type.
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By the way, does that mean you have an original copy of this set (i.e. you got
the set new and never mixed it with other parts)? If yes, could you check if
the parts
are the "c" type?
[p=32064c,3]
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Yes, I have this item in original condition and never mixed with other items.
I will look regarding this Question and give you a Feedback today in the evening.
I forgot that there are two ways to attach the arms. I think the parts are still
in my original box for the set.
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Hey I would Like to confirm: Ist ist the C-Type!
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Could you please submit an inventory change request for this? That way, you get
credit for the change. If you would rather that I do it, just let me know.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 16:36 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | Should dual molded legs or arms in their respective assemblies really be considered
as decorated?
To me BL considered the decorated as by means of printing or applying decoration
using stickers.
example
the reasoning is, how is that any different from legs assembly with single color
legs but different color hips or mismatched leg colors?
I feel the same way about dual molded arms
There are reasons for not separating them, mainly for new buyers not knowing
or caring about the difference or just the general way of looking at it, but
I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
Any thoughts?
Miro
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I support the change. Also the pics you posted are lovely.
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 16:20 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
|
There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.
As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:
But sometimes we do:
Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"
Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479
The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
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I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.
For example these legs
come in dual molded and printed version of the shoes, but BL did not implement
the differentiation even though I brought it up in the past. The quality is vastly
different and hence why Lego decided to start doing dual molding of minifig/minidoll
parts
Miro
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Hey look at that. I found my post about this from 70 months ago.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=851619
Miro
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 16:04 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
|
There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.
As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:
But sometimes we do:
Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"
Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479
The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
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I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.
For example these legs
come in dual molded and printed version of the shoes, but BL did not implement
the differentiation even though I brought it up in the past. The quality is vastly
different and hence why Lego decided to start doing dual molding of minifig/minidoll
parts
Miro
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I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 15:50 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6582-1 | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 6 Part 4864b Black Panel 1 x 2 x 2 - Hollow Studs (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 6 Part Black 4864a Panel 1 x 2 x 2 - Solid Studs {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
From sealed set contents. All six had hollow studs.
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 15:35 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
|
| | The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
|
I don't care either way, but it would be very useful to know which legs are
dual molded (and so have the correct colours on the back of the legs) vs those
that are printed (and so have a single colour on the backs).
|
I agree. Not to mention those that want to remove the decoration for their customization
or whatever purpose will not be able to do so with the dual-molded version.
Miro
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 15:33 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
|
There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.
As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:
But sometimes we do:
Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"
Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479
The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
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I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.
For example these legs
come in dual molded and printed version of the shoes, but BL did not implement
the differentiation even though I brought it up in the past. The quality is vastly
different and hence why Lego decided to start doing dual molding of minifig/minidoll
parts
Miro
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 15:18 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7937-1 | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | | | That sounds about right compared with what I have, also. The brown eyebrows would
have probably been before the color change in 2004 to reddish brown. With your
information and my information, it is clear that any minifigure and set with
this head needs to be looked into before we make any more changes or add any
more minifigures. This sounds like an issue for the catalog roadmap.
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I add this picture to the discussion in case anyone can use it in a future project
correcting the red/brown eyebrows issue. These are the 6 heads that I have in
sets that were never mixed with other bricks. I put them in my scanner to ensure
consistent lighting.
/Jan
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It seems BL downsizes the image so it's not useful at all. Here are six smaller
images, hopefully they'll be more useful.
/Jan
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 15:12 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7937-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| | | That sounds about right compared with what I have, also. The brown eyebrows would
have probably been before the color change in 2004 to reddish brown. With your
information and my information, it is clear that any minifigure and set with
this head needs to be looked into before we make any more changes or add any
more minifigures. This sounds like an issue for the catalog roadmap.
|
I add this picture to the discussion in case anyone can use it in a future project
correcting the red/brown eyebrows issue. These are the 6 heads that I have in
sets that were never mixed with other bricks. I put them in my scanner to ensure
consistent lighting.
/Jan
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 15:11 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
|
| | The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
|
I don't care either way, but it would be very useful to know which legs are
dual molded (and so have the correct colours on the back of the legs) vs those
that are printed (and so have a single colour on the backs).
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 14:16 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | […]
I’ll try to make a comparison picture….
|
Dang. I can’t: I only have the surface paint in black.
I have both versions of the chrome ones but there already is a comparison picture.
I note exists in both versions: there’s a comparison picture but
only one part in the catalogue….
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| Author: | ZwarteMagica | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 14:13 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8353-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 32534pb06 Pearl Dark Gray Technic, Panel Fairing # 7 Small Long, Large Hole, Side A with '9' and Black and Red Pattern (Sticker) - Set 8353 (Counterpart)
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 14:03 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | […]
Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"
|
If you actually are wondering about this part, the pattern is both embossed and
painted, while on
it’s only painted.
I’ll try to make a comparison picture….
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| Author: | dromeracer | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 13:45 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 3723-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, dromeracer writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, dromeracer writes:
| | my own item of this type.
|
By the way, does that mean you have an original copy of this set (i.e. you got
the set new and never mixed it with other parts)? If yes, could you check if
the parts
are the "c" type?
[p=32064c,3]
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Yes, I have this item in original condition and never mixed with other items.
I will look regarding this Question and give you a Feedback today in the evening.
I forgot that there are two ways to attach the arms. I think the parts are still
in my original box for the set.
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Hey I would Like to confirm: Ist ist the C-Type!
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 13:28 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
|
There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.
As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:
But sometimes we do:
Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"
Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479
The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
|
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 13:12 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory of stickered assemblies | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
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| In Inventories, normann1974 writes:
| | Any reason why "sticker over assembly" parts don't have inventories like
other (counterpart) assemblies have?
|
This was answered here:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1174941
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 13:06 | | Subject: | Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 132 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Should dual molded legs or arms in their respective assemblies really be considered
as decorated?
To me BL considered the decorated as by means of printing or applying decoration
using stickers.
example
the reasoning is, how is that any different from legs assembly with single color
legs but different color hips or mismatched leg colors?
I feel the same way about dual molded arms
There are reasons for not separating them, mainly for new buyers not knowing
or caring about the difference or just the general way of looking at it, but
I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
Any thoughts?
Miro
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 13:02 | | Subject: | Inventory of stickered assemblies | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Inventories | | Status: | Open | |
|
| Any reason why "sticker over assembly" parts don't have inventories like
other (counterpart) assemblies have?
/Jan
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| Author: | tron404 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 12:32 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 4767-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | Please do! Every little bit we learn about each set helps the whole LEGO community
learn along with you.
| | By the way: one mistake that I did notice as a kid is that in exo-force 7709
Lego gave me a wrong character head. I was missing the head of "Keiken" and instead
had 2 copies of the head of exf001. Do you think this could be considered as
an alternate part or that is just a factory mistake?
|
Probably just a factory mistake.
Cheers,
Randy
|
Alright then, thanks again!
Cheers
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 11:18 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 623-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part BA139pb01 Red Stickered Assembly 4 x 10 x 1 1/3 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Sticker) - Set 623 - 1 Vehicle, Base 4 x 10 x 2/3 with 2 x 2 Recessed Center with Center Hole (First Version), 2 Plates (Counterpart)
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 09:27 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 4562-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 8 Part 3003 Blue Brick 2 x 2 (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Add 8 Part 3003 Red Brick 2 x 2 (Alternate) (match ID 2)
* Add 2 Part 41855 Blue Brick, Modified 2 x 2 x 2/3 Two Studs, Lip End (Alternate) (match ID 3)
* Change 8 Part Trans-Dark Blue 3003 Brick 2 x 2 {match ID 0 to 1}
* Change 8 Part Trans-Red 3003 Brick 2 x 2 {match ID 0 to 2}
* Change 2 Part Trans-Red 3039 Slope 45 2 x 2 {match ID 0 to 3}
Comments from Submitter:
I have deleted my previous requests on this set and am doing it a different way.
- On the blue and red bricks, this variance is what I have found when I parted out two sets before and again when I parted out 1 yesterday.
- I was missing the trans-red slopes before and again and last time I didn't know what to balance them with, but this time the blue 41855 (and maybe/probably last time as well, I don't know) were in the bag with the regular parts, not the floor sweepings, so I think they alternate each other.
-I will also record here that when I parted out two sets before, I only got 2 yellow 3005pe1, not 4 and this time when I parted out one set I didn't get any of them. I suspect that this piece belongs in the extras, but I have no handy proof. I am making these requests from work and it now occurs to me that I may have pictures of the unopened bags last time that would shed some light on this. I will check later.
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| Author: | primadeluxe | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 06:29 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 269-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 2 Part 3068apb04 White Tile 2 x 2 without Groove with Blue Circle Plate, Fried Egg, 4 Red Spots Pattern (Sticker) - Set 269 (Undetermined Pattern) (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3068apb14 White Tile 2 x 2 without Groove with Blue Circle Plate, Fried Egg, 4 Red Spots Pattern 1 (Sticker) - Set 269 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3068apb15 White Tile 2 x 2 without Groove with Blue Circle Plate, Fried Egg, 4 Red Spots Pattern 2 (Sticker) - Set 269 (Counterpart)
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| Author: | Dixi78 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 04:10 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 41314-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 59349pb176 White Panel 1 x 6 x 5 with Mirror, Towel and Toiletries Pattern on Inside (Sticker) - Set 41314 (Counterpart)
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 18:54 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 4767-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, tron404 writes:
| | | | | | A few years ago someone at 1000steine.de reported that he got this set with reddish
brown stairs from a seller who stated that all parts in that set were original.
At that time I found two used copies on Ebay which also had reddish brown stairs.
And I also found this brickshelf gallery:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=252053
And some boxes show reddish brown stairs:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=5724794
So it seems some copies came indeed with reddish brown stairs. Maybe LEGO did
not have enough dark orange stairs in stock and replaced them with reddish brown
ones. We know at that time (around 2005/2006) there were significant problems
with parts availability. Remember my set 10128 from early 2006 that came with
white parts instead of light gray ones.
Regards,
Jonas
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Thank you, Jonas.
|
Hello, Sorry I didn't see your replies!!!
|
No problem! This forum is awful when it comes to knowing if you have a reply
to one of your messages or not.
| | Thank you for approving my edit: Yes I am 100% sure they are his own.
|
Thank you for the confirmation.
| | I started using bricklink very recently and I greatly appreciate that you approved
my edit! I enjoy contributing and might do it again if I found other interesting
facts.
|
Please do! Every little bit we learn about each set helps the whole LEGO community
learn along with you.
| | By the way: one mistake that I did notice as a kid is that in exo-force 7709
Lego gave me a wrong character head. I was missing the head of "Keiken" and instead
had 2 copies of the head of exf001. Do you think this could be considered as
an alternate part or that is just a factory mistake?
|
Probably just a factory mistake.
Cheers,
Randy
|
|
| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 18:54 | | Subject: | Re: Three versions of the 9797 set | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, xoshimin writes:
| | I'm sure LEGO won't release the item (56145) in Light Gray color to put
it only in some 9797 sets and not use it anymore.
|
If we had perfect knowledge, I am sure we would find that other sets had light
gray also. But most of those sets were opened and built and then went to garage
sales and trash cans. The ones that actually get opened and investigated are
a small sample. I have a vintage set on the way that has never been inventoried
before. And plenty of other sets haven't been verified or haven't been
parted out a lot by people who correct inventories.
Manufacturing pieces is one operation and packing sets is another operation and
the people or machines who pack the sets use the parts they have on hand.
It is clear from sets like 9797 and the Star Destroyer that set packers considered
LG and LBG to be the interchangeable until the time came that there were no more
LG parts in the bins. Hygrotus pulled a variant piece from a new set last year
that hadn't been seen in a new set in something like a decade. 32064c should
phase out somewhere around 2005, but Turez found one in a 2008 set. Because
some facility that packs sets still had some.
Frequently when entering PCCs on new pieces, I find something like (I am making
these specific numbers up!) most new PCCs we've been entering for months
are like 6301111 and 6301333 and then a new hair piece comes out with 6271222.
Sets are designed long before they are announced and released and there is no
reason to assume that a piece that didn't get released until 2006 wasn't
produced a few years earlier in some quantities. Some of the Dots elements were
made for Dots and then they decided not to release Dots and some of the pieces
made their way into sets last year. Then they decided to release Dots a year
later. They used those pieces in other sets because they had been manufactured
and were just sitting there. Similarly, LG 56145 may have been produced for
a set that didn't get released and then when they started making the piece
in LBG they used up the LG too. Or maybe when they develop a new part that they
want to start putting in sets, they start manufacturing it in the most obvious
colors, but by the time a designer put it in a set, they had changed over the
LBG, but still had the LG. We really don't know. But I promise you that
I can tell the difference between them and I found what I found. I have not
parted out 20 9797s. But I have parted out 8 of them from 5 different sources.
I have found all 3 heads and both kinds of hats and both kinds of light grays.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 18:51 | | Subject: | Re: Three versions of the 9797 set | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, xoshimin writes:
| | I have disassembled about 20 sets of 9797 (I have 17 Activity Booklet). I have
disassembled about 15 sets DACTA and Educational. Relying on this experience,
I wrote a message to the forum.
I'm sure LEGO won't release the item (56145) in Light Gray color to put
it only in some 9797 sets and not use it anymore.
|
Probably not. They probably made it for model shops and then the leftovers got
put into Dacta sets.
| | I think LEGO could allow a
marriage in the composition of the plastic and the detail has changed color a
little over time.
|
This can happen occasionally to some colors in some conditions, but the difference
between light gray and light bluish gray is still noticeable.
| | In the photo, the cap and legs that I took out of one sealed
package from the DACTA set. These details are blue, but the cap has a yellowish
tinge. And such blue details with a yellow tint I have seen in many sets of DACTA
and Educational. In my opinion, this is not a new blue color, it is a marriage
of plastic (I do not sell such parts).
|
This is a color that collectors refer to as "Brittle Blue". Do a search for it
in the forums and you will learn all about it.
| | I don't think we should continue the argument. This is a question of the
difference between my experience and yours. I think the bricklink database administrator
already has enough information to make the right decision.
|
There never was an argument, was there? The history of LEGO encompasses a lot
more than just the Dacta sets, so you have to have a broader knowledge about
where they fit in the scheme of things. This history includes sets including
mixes of the grays long after the color switch in 2004, the fact that Dacta sets
are sometimes dumping grounds for leftover parts, etc.
| | If necessary, I can send a request to LEGO to see if the 9797 set included parts
with the Light Gray color.
|
Go for it. However, I bet you, I, Jonathan (axaday) and a few others here probably
know a lot more about the set than they do. 
Cheers,
Randy
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