Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | axaday  | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 16:36 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | Should dual molded legs or arms in their respective assemblies really be considered
as decorated?
To me BL considered the decorated as by means of printing or applying decoration
using stickers.
example
the reasoning is, how is that any different from legs assembly with single color
legs but different color hips or mismatched leg colors?
I feel the same way about dual molded arms
There are reasons for not separating them, mainly for new buyers not knowing
or caring about the difference or just the general way of looking at it, but
I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
Any thoughts?
Miro
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I support the change. Also the pics you posted are lovely.
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 16:20 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
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There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.
As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:
But sometimes we do:
Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"
Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479
The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
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I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.
For example these legs
come in dual molded and printed version of the shoes, but BL did not implement
the differentiation even though I brought it up in the past. The quality is vastly
different and hence why Lego decided to start doing dual molding of minifig/minidoll
parts
Miro
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Hey look at that. I found my post about this from 70 months ago.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=851619
Miro
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 16:04 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
|
There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.
As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:
But sometimes we do:
Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"
Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479
The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
|
I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.
For example these legs
come in dual molded and printed version of the shoes, but BL did not implement
the differentiation even though I brought it up in the past. The quality is vastly
different and hence why Lego decided to start doing dual molding of minifig/minidoll
parts
Miro
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I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 15:50 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6582-1 | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 6 Part 4864b Black Panel 1 x 2 x 2 - Hollow Studs (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 6 Part Black 4864a Panel 1 x 2 x 2 - Solid Studs {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
From sealed set contents. All six had hollow studs.
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 15:35 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
|
| | The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
|
I don't care either way, but it would be very useful to know which legs are
dual molded (and so have the correct colours on the back of the legs) vs those
that are printed (and so have a single colour on the backs).
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I agree. Not to mention those that want to remove the decoration for their customization
or whatever purpose will not be able to do so with the dual-molded version.
Miro
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 15:33 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
|
There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.
As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:
But sometimes we do:
Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"
Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479
The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
|
I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.
For example these legs
come in dual molded and printed version of the shoes, but BL did not implement
the differentiation even though I brought it up in the past. The quality is vastly
different and hence why Lego decided to start doing dual molding of minifig/minidoll
parts
Miro
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 15:18 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7937-1 | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | | | That sounds about right compared with what I have, also. The brown eyebrows would
have probably been before the color change in 2004 to reddish brown. With your
information and my information, it is clear that any minifigure and set with
this head needs to be looked into before we make any more changes or add any
more minifigures. This sounds like an issue for the catalog roadmap.
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I add this picture to the discussion in case anyone can use it in a future project
correcting the red/brown eyebrows issue. These are the 6 heads that I have in
sets that were never mixed with other bricks. I put them in my scanner to ensure
consistent lighting.
/Jan
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It seems BL downsizes the image so it's not useful at all. Here are six smaller
images, hopefully they'll be more useful.
/Jan
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 15:12 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7937-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| | | That sounds about right compared with what I have, also. The brown eyebrows would
have probably been before the color change in 2004 to reddish brown. With your
information and my information, it is clear that any minifigure and set with
this head needs to be looked into before we make any more changes or add any
more minifigures. This sounds like an issue for the catalog roadmap.
|
I add this picture to the discussion in case anyone can use it in a future project
correcting the red/brown eyebrows issue. These are the 6 heads that I have in
sets that were never mixed with other bricks. I put them in my scanner to ensure
consistent lighting.
/Jan
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 15:11 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
|
| | The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
|
I don't care either way, but it would be very useful to know which legs are
dual molded (and so have the correct colours on the back of the legs) vs those
that are printed (and so have a single colour on the backs).
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 14:16 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | […]
I’ll try to make a comparison picture….
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Dang. I can’t: I only have the surface paint in black.
I have both versions of the chrome ones but there already is a comparison picture.
I note exists in both versions: there’s a comparison picture but
only one part in the catalogue….
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| Author: | ZwarteMagica | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 14:13 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8353-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 32534pb06 Pearl Dark Gray Technic, Panel Fairing # 7 Small Long, Large Hole, Side A with '9' and Black and Red Pattern (Sticker) - Set 8353 (Counterpart)
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 14:03 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | […]
Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"
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If you actually are wondering about this part, the pattern is both embossed and
painted, while on
it’s only painted.
I’ll try to make a comparison picture….
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| Author: | dromeracer | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 13:45 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 3723-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, dromeracer writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, dromeracer writes:
| | my own item of this type.
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By the way, does that mean you have an original copy of this set (i.e. you got
the set new and never mixed it with other parts)? If yes, could you check if
the parts
are the "c" type?
[p=32064c,3]
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Yes, I have this item in original condition and never mixed with other items.
I will look regarding this Question and give you a Feedback today in the evening.
I forgot that there are two ways to attach the arms. I think the parts are still
in my original box for the set.
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Hey I would Like to confirm: Ist ist the C-Type!
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 13:28 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
|
There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.
As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:
But sometimes we do:
Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"
Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479
The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
|
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 13:12 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory of stickered assemblies | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
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| In Inventories, normann1974 writes:
| | Any reason why "sticker over assembly" parts don't have inventories like
other (counterpart) assemblies have?
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This was answered here:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1174941
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 13:06 | | Subject: | Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 132 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Should dual molded legs or arms in their respective assemblies really be considered
as decorated?
To me BL considered the decorated as by means of printing or applying decoration
using stickers.
example
the reasoning is, how is that any different from legs assembly with single color
legs but different color hips or mismatched leg colors?
I feel the same way about dual molded arms
There are reasons for not separating them, mainly for new buyers not knowing
or caring about the difference or just the general way of looking at it, but
I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
Any thoughts?
Miro
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 13:02 | | Subject: | Inventory of stickered assemblies | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Inventories | | Status: | Open | |
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| Any reason why "sticker over assembly" parts don't have inventories like
other (counterpart) assemblies have?
/Jan
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| Author: | tron404 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 12:32 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 4767-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | Please do! Every little bit we learn about each set helps the whole LEGO community
learn along with you. 
| | By the way: one mistake that I did notice as a kid is that in exo-force 7709
Lego gave me a wrong character head. I was missing the head of "Keiken" and instead
had 2 copies of the head of exf001. Do you think this could be considered as
an alternate part or that is just a factory mistake?
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Probably just a factory mistake.
Cheers,
Randy
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Alright then, thanks again!
Cheers 
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 11:18 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 623-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part BA139pb01 Red Stickered Assembly 4 x 10 x 1 1/3 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Sticker) - Set 623 - 1 Vehicle, Base 4 x 10 x 2/3 with 2 x 2 Recessed Center with Center Hole (First Version), 2 Plates (Counterpart)
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 09:27 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 4562-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 8 Part 3003 Blue Brick 2 x 2 (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Add 8 Part 3003 Red Brick 2 x 2 (Alternate) (match ID 2)
* Add 2 Part 41855 Blue Brick, Modified 2 x 2 x 2/3 Two Studs, Lip End (Alternate) (match ID 3)
* Change 8 Part Trans-Dark Blue 3003 Brick 2 x 2 {match ID 0 to 1}
* Change 8 Part Trans-Red 3003 Brick 2 x 2 {match ID 0 to 2}
* Change 2 Part Trans-Red 3039 Slope 45 2 x 2 {match ID 0 to 3}
Comments from Submitter:
I have deleted my previous requests on this set and am doing it a different way.
- On the blue and red bricks, this variance is what I have found when I parted out two sets before and again when I parted out 1 yesterday.
- I was missing the trans-red slopes before and again and last time I didn't know what to balance them with, but this time the blue 41855 (and maybe/probably last time as well, I don't know) were in the bag with the regular parts, not the floor sweepings, so I think they alternate each other.
-I will also record here that when I parted out two sets before, I only got 2 yellow 3005pe1, not 4 and this time when I parted out one set I didn't get any of them. I suspect that this piece belongs in the extras, but I have no handy proof. I am making these requests from work and it now occurs to me that I may have pictures of the unopened bags last time that would shed some light on this. I will check later.
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