Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | normann1974  | | Posted: | May 14, 2018 07:11 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7573-1 | | Viewed: | 7 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 4495 Metallic Gold Flag 4 x 1 Wave (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 4 Part Pearl Gold 4495 Flag 4 x 1 Wave {match ID 1 to 0}
Comments from Submitter:
Discussion here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090305
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 14, 2018 07:09 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7041-1 | | Viewed: | 13 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part {Metallic Gold to Pearl Gold} 4495 Flag 4 x 1 Wave
Comments from Submitter:
Discussion here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090305
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 14, 2018 07:07 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7009-1 | | Viewed: | 8 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 4495 Pearl Gold Flag 4 x 1 Wave (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part {Metallic Gold to Pearl Gold} 4495 Flag 4 x 1 Wave {match ID 1 to 0}
Comments from Submitter:
Discussion here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090305
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 14, 2018 07:06 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 9385-1 | | Viewed: | 12 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part {Metallic Gold to Pearl Gold} 4495 Flag 4 x 1 Wave
Comments from Submitter:
Discussion here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090305
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 14, 2018 07:05 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7094-1 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 4495 Pearl Gold Flag 4 x 1 Wave (Alternate) (match ID 5)
* Change 4 Part {Metallic Gold to Pearl Gold} 4495 Flag 4 x 1 Wave {match ID 5 to 0}
Comments from Submitter:
Discussion here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090305
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 14, 2018 07:04 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 852271-1 | | Viewed: | 9 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part {Metallic Gold to Pearl Gold} 4495 Flag 4 x 1 Wave
Comments from Submitter:
Discussion here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090305
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 14, 2018 07:03 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7979-3 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 4495 Pearl Gold Flag 4 x 1 Wave (Alternate) (match ID 2)
* Change 1 Part {Metallic Gold to Pearl Gold} 4495 Flag 4 x 1 Wave {match ID 2 to 0}
Comments from Submitter:
Discussion here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090305
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| Author: | brickadoon | | Posted: | May 14, 2018 03:21 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 4430-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 3009pb208 Red Brick 1 x 6 with Yellow Fire Logo Badge and 'FIRE 4430' Pattern (Sticker) - Set 4430 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 6111pb031 Red Brick 1 x 10 with Yellow Fire Logo Badge and 'FIRE 4430' Pattern (Sticker) - Set 4430 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Parts not currently in inventory for this set.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 13, 2018 14:48 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set bag6-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part {Dark Bluish Gray to Dark Gray} 6007 Human Tool, Brick Separator
Comments from Submitter:
There are no photos of this set or information about this set that I could find. There are also no photos of 6007 in DBG and it only appears in that color in this set. The inventory was done by Admin with no source given - source was likely the existing catalog set render.
It is possible that the year of release for this set is incorrect. It is also possible that older dark gray stock of brick separators was disposed of in a 2006 set. Or it is possible that the current inventory is correct.
Regardless, there is no proof that 6007 ever came in DBG and until proof surfaces I am changing its appearance in this set to dark gray.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 12, 2018 16:20 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 75199-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, Match4980 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Minifig sw515 General Grievous - Bent Legs, White Armor
Comments from Submitter:
General Grievous SW515 has a new torso (87566pb02). The new version has a prominent black "Y" inset in the white torso. The coloring of the "Dark Bluish Gray #85" also has changed. Looks more like #10 Dark Gray?
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Request rejected from formal point of view this minifig is already in inventory
of this set.
Marek
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 12, 2018 15:48 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 70606-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, TinyLittleBrick writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 24504 White Minifig, Ninja Face Scarf with Notch in Back (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 24504 Black Minifig, Ninja Face Scarf with Notch in Back (Extra)
Comments from Submitter:
Each set I've parted out contains 2 extra face scarf one in black and one in white
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Can you check other extras in this set? According to this video review there
is more parts extras in this set not only these scarfs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ELI9vG69i0
(min 10:51)
Of course request aproved BTW.
Marek
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| Author: | elias3 | | Posted: | May 12, 2018 13:23 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6374-2 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 3855a Trans-Clear Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 3 - old style with circle (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Trans-Clear 3855 Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 3 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 1}
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| Author: | elias3 | | Posted: | May 12, 2018 13:23 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6374-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 3855a Trans-Clear Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 3 - old style with circle (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Trans-Clear 3855 Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 3 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 1}
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| Author: | TinyLittleBrick | | Posted: | May 12, 2018 12:04 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 70606-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 24504 White Minifig, Ninja Face Scarf with Notch in Back (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 24504 Black Minifig, Ninja Face Scarf with Notch in Back (Extra)
Comments from Submitter:
Each set I've parted out contains 2 extra face scarf one in black and one in white
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| Author: | elias3 | | Posted: | May 12, 2018 10:22 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6374-2 | | Viewed: | 15 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Yellow {3001 Brick 2 x 4 to 3001old Brick 2 x 4 without Cross Supports}
* Change 1 Part Blue {3001 Brick 2 x 4 to 3001old Brick 2 x 4 without Cross Supports}
Comments from Submitter:
have 2x 6371-1 and 1x 6371-2 all came with the 3001old type, reference is the stickered BA23pb01 part
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| Author: | elias3 | | Posted: | May 12, 2018 10:22 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6374-1 | | Viewed: | 17 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Blue {3001 Brick 2 x 4 to 3001old Brick 2 x 4 without Cross Supports}
* Change 2 Part Yellow {3001 Brick 2 x 4 to 3001old Brick 2 x 4 without Cross Supports}
Comments from Submitter:
have 2x 6371-1 and 1x 6371-2 all came with the 3001old type, reference is the stickered BA23pb01 part
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 17:54 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 5974-1 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part White {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
I thought I took the pedestal apart years ago, but I found it still intact. No grooves.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 17:33 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7134-1 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Dark Gray {30359 Bar 1 x 8 with Brick 1 x 2 Curved Top End (Undetermined Type) to 30359a Bar 1 x 8 with Brick 1 x 2 Curved Top End (Original, No Axle Holder)}
Comments from Submitter:
No axle holder in mine.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 17:27 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6243-1 | | Viewed: | 15 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Light Bluish Gray {4599 Tap 1 x 1 - Undetermined End to 4599a Tap 1 x 1 with Hole in End}
Comments from Submitter:
I had to go back to the instructions to find where this piece is in the ship. Way down in the hold beneath the cabin. But it came apart and went back together alright. Mine has a hole in the end.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 17:21 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 10210-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part Black {2453 Brick 1 x 1 x 5 - Undetermined Stud Type to 2453a Brick 1 x 1 x 5 - Blocked Open Stud / Hollow Stud}
* Change 12 Part Dark Tan {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
My ship contains the blocked open and no groove versions.
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| Author: | bje | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 17:10 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 41614-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 2 Part 4085d Sand Green Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical - Type 4 (thick open O clip)
* Add 2 Part 61252 Sand Green Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Horizontal (thick open O clip)
Comments from Submitter:
From instructions as well as LEGO replacement parts orders
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 16:33 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| By the way, what is now missing are parts variants. Otherwise, the regular section
of all these sets should be correct (as far as I remember).
I also don't care much about extra parts as they vary from one production
run to the other one.
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I don't know about your scientific background but I do mathematics and Probability
is a science.
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I am not a scientist, though I am by no means scientifically illiterate.
My coworker Marek is a scientist, though, so perhaps he will comment on your
position. I've not discussed this with him yet and he may very well have
a different take on the level of evidence which is desirable when adding part
variants to an inventory.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 16:25 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I don't know about your scientific background but I do mathematics and Probability
is a science.
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I am not a scientist, though I am by no means scientifically illiterate.
My coworker Marek is a scientist, though, so perhaps he will comment on your
position. I've not discussed this with him yet and he may very well have
a different take on the level of evidence which is desirable when adding part
variants to an inventory.
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 16:08 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| | | I agree with your efforts to get the inventories as perfect as possible, but
I'm expecting the highest standard of proof for tweaking inventories into
perfection. I think the collectors who care about these sets expect and deserve
only the best sources. That highest standard of proof is difficult to locate
for these old or rare sets and I understand and sympathize with your difficulties
in locating quality sources.
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It is exactly here that we can weigh "Traditions". You repeated the same thing
that you are saying using different words, without accepting any change in it,
that my way is as good and as reliable as your "best source".
Why mine is as good as yours?
- Because I examined it. Because I submitted about 150 inv. change requests based
on that. but I had to wait to find photos of a sealed set, otherwise I knew exactly
what to expect before seeing the photos.
Of course, there were few things I didn't know before seeing the photos,
but I knew what I didn't know so I would not had submitted any change request
based on what I was not sure any way.
I don't know about your scientific background but I do mathematics and Probability
is a science.
When I expect something to be true (based on another set of the same year having
that variant,...) then checking many items on the market (those that appear to
be taken off the loft) is reliable.
Actually, by checking the items on Ebay,... I realized many and many things.
I mean: I got to know certain things that I would have not realized by seeing
photos of a sealed copy.
And I do not use this method for common parts like bricks 3001, 3002 and 3003
or various types of conducting rails,...(unless the special one 2731a, 2731b,...)
At the end of the day, assume I submit 100 inventory change requests and one
is wrong: since the messages of all inventory change requests are saved, people
can later check that in case they think it is wrong.
If you pick up one example (variation of a part from a set in 80s), I can examine
this method and tell you what I get. This might give you a good impression of
what I am talking about.
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| Author: | MFelgate | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 16:06 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 2230-1 | | Viewed: | 17 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 4592c02 Red Lever Small Base with Black Lever (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 54200 Trans-Red Slope 30 1 x 1 x 2/3 (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 54200 Trans-Green Slope 30 1 x 1 x 2/3 (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 2447 Trans-Black Minifig, Visor Standard (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 4073 Trans-Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1 Straight Side (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 4073 Trans-Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1 Straight Side
* Delete 1 Part 4073 Trans-Neon Green Plate, Round 1 x 1 Straight Side
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 12:54 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7751-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| | | I was just going to upload a new photo but it looks like it isn't necessary
any more?
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No it isn't, other member submited one.
Thanks for finding this issue in this inventory.
Marek
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| Author: | Brick.Door | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 12:53 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7751-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | 2) remove both parts from inventory, marked both them for deletion, then new
part and new photo has to be submited and then added to the inventory.
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I'd recommend this approach since at least one of the current entries has
been monkeyed with.
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So there was third solution  parts were merged
[p=3068bpb0811]
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Oh that is much easier! No need to mark the parts for deletion or create a new
entry.
Is that a new photo too? It looks correct and I think both of the old photos
had one triangle bigger than the other.
I was just going to upload a new photo but it looks like it isn't necessary
any more?
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| Author: | therobo | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 10:57 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 42007-1 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 11946pb022 Orange Technic, Panel Fairing #21 Very Small Smooth, Side B with 'AJR DESIGN' and Black, Orange and White Splatter Pattern (Sticker) - Set 42007 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 87080pb037 Orange Technic, Panel Fairing # 1 Small Smooth Short, Side A with 'RACING LUBE' and 'GRF-X DSIGN' and Black, Orange and White Pattern (Sticker) - Set 42007 (Counterpart)
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| Author: | therobo | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 10:55 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 70164-1 | | Viewed: | 13 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 11289pb005 Trans-Black Windscreen 4 x 4 x 4 2/3 with Handle with '140.15' and White Heads Up Display (HUD) Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70164 (Counterpart)
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| Author: | therobo | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 10:53 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 60022-1 | | Viewed: | 15 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 93606pb070 White Slope, Curved 4 x 2 No Studs with Airplane Control Panel With Buttons, Levers and Hatch Pattern (Sticker) - Set 60022 (Counterpart)
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| Author: | therobo | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 10:50 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7646-1 | | Viewed: | 13 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 32316pb018R White Technic, Liftarm 1 x 5 Thick with Vents, Controls and Orange Curved Stripe Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 7646 (Counterpart)
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 09:28 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifig sh417 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Dark Blue {973pb3122c01 Torso Police Uniform, Gold Buttons and Badge, Radio Over Shoulder and 'GCPD' on Back Pattern / Dark Blue Arms / Reddish Brown Hands to 973pb2655c01 Torso Police Uniform, Gold Buttons and Badge, Radio Over Shoulder and 'GCPD' on Back Pattern / Dark Blue Arms with Gold Badge Right / Black Hands}
Comments from Submitter:
Minifig pic clearly shows black hands and badge on arm. I think this other torso actually doesn't exist.
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Requests were rejected only because parts were merged, so correct part shows
automaticly in inventory.
Marek
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 07:42 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Minifig sh417 | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Dark Blue {973pb3122c01 Torso Police Uniform, Gold Buttons and Badge, Radio Over Shoulder and 'GCPD' on Back Pattern / Dark Blue Arms / Reddish Brown Hands to 973pb2655c01 Torso Police Uniform, Gold Buttons and Badge, Radio Over Shoulder and 'GCPD' on Back Pattern / Dark Blue Arms with Gold Badge Right / Black Hands}
Comments from Submitter:
Minifig pic clearly shows black hands and badge on arm. I think this other torso actually doesn't exist.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 07:40 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Minifig sh416 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Dark Blue {973pb3122c01 Torso Police Uniform, Gold Buttons and Badge, Radio Over Shoulder and 'GCPD' on Back Pattern / Dark Blue Arms / Reddish Brown Hands to 973pb2655c01 Torso Police Uniform, Gold Buttons and Badge, Radio Over Shoulder and 'GCPD' on Back Pattern / Dark Blue Arms with Gold Badge Right / Black Hands}
Comments from Submitter:
Sure looks like black hands in the pic. I'm not sure there IS a brown hands one. It looks like a bad picture.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 04:43 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| | | If I may add my brick: an inventory isn’t gospel truth, it’s a crowd-sourced
work-in-progress.
We might never know an inventory is “complete” / won’t ever change anymore: fifty
years from now, someone might dig up and open a sealed set with another variant
or extra.
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yeah, it is philosophy of science you can never confirm, prove something that
it is completly true. Hypothesis and theories can be only verified and then falsified
if you find case that there is something not matching. To have something prove
you should check every possible case. So with inventories I see something similar,
we can never prove that inventory is correct because then all possible ever produced
boxes of particular set should be opended and checked which I think it isn't
possible 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
I was learning during my studies about Karl Popper philosophy and metodology,
it is fundamental to modern science
Marek
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 11, 2018 04:32 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SylvainLS writes:
| | If I may add my brick: an inventory isn’t gospel truth, it’s a crowd-sourced
work-in-progress.
We might never know an inventory is “complete” / won’t ever change anymore: fifty
years from now, someone might dig up and open a sealed set with another variant
or extra.
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Of course you're right. Your observation relates to all matters, though,
and touches on the very nature of truth itself. I am of the opinion that absolute
assurance is foolhardy and the wiser position to take regarding any fact is varying
degrees of certainty.
There is a celestial body we have named the Sun which casts light onto the Earth,
for example, but I am only 99% sure of that. I do not say it is a certainty
because it could be shown wrong one day.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 18:16 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SylvainLS writes:
| | If I may add my brick: an inventory isn’t gospel truth, it’s a crowd-sourced
work-in-progress.
We might never know an inventory is “complete” / won’t ever change anymore: fifty
years from now, someone might dig up and open a sealed set with another variant
or extra.
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Of course you're right. Your observation relates to all matters, though,
and touches on the very nature of truth itself. I am of the opinion that absolute
assurance is foolhardy and the wiser position to take regarding any fact is varying
degrees of certainty.
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You absolutely sure about that?
| | There is a celestial body we have named the Sun which casts light onto the Earth,
for example, but I am only 99% sure of that. I do not say it is a certainty
because it could be shown wrong one day.
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Yes, but there are some things we can hold for true without much consequences
in many occasions in our day-to-day lifes, and some others for which it might
be harmful more often.
It’s one thing to assume (but for one day every (about) four years when you need
to catch up) that a day is exactly 24h, it’s another to jump and buy expensive
parts because you believe an inventory is perfect and your just-bought set has
the wrong variants.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 17:53 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, maggiec writes:
| | Yep, we could all be looking at shadows on the wall of a cave.
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I don't think Play-Doh can be listed on BrickLink yet, but since the addition
of BrickArms who knows what toys will be added next?
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| Author: | maggiec | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 17:49 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SylvainLS writes:
| | If I may add my brick: an inventory isn’t gospel truth, it’s a crowd-sourced
work-in-progress.
We might never know an inventory is “complete” / won’t ever change anymore: fifty
years from now, someone might dig up and open a sealed set with another variant
or extra.
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Of course you're right. Your observation relates to all matters, though,
and touches on the very nature of truth itself. I am of the opinion that absolute
assurance is foolhardy and the wiser position to take regarding any fact is varying
degrees of certainty.
There is a celestial body we have named the Sun which casts light onto the Earth,
for example, but I am only 99% sure of that. I do not say it is a certainty
because it could be shown wrong one day.
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Yep, we could all be looking at shadows on the wall of a cave.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 17:36 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, SylvainLS writes:
| | If I may add my brick: an inventory isn’t gospel truth, it’s a crowd-sourced
work-in-progress.
We might never know an inventory is “complete” / won’t ever change anymore: fifty
years from now, someone might dig up and open a sealed set with another variant
or extra.
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Of course you're right. Your observation relates to all matters, though,
and touches on the very nature of truth itself. I am of the opinion that absolute
assurance is foolhardy and the wiser position to take regarding any fact is varying
degrees of certainty.
There is a celestial body we have named the Sun which casts light onto the Earth,
for example, but I am only 99% sure of that. I do not say it is a certainty
because it could be shown wrong one day.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 17:12 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | | | Can we agree on the following sentence?
A set inventory is not incorrect or incomplete just because it doesn't include
every possible variant and alternate variant which ever appeared in the set during
the years it was released.
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I am sorry but I would consider it incomplete.
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Good lord, don't be sorry for having an opinion! We just disagree on that
particular point and we were finally able to pinpoint the exact cause of the
disagreement. That's a good thing.
My viewpoint is that if the inventory includes all the parts required*, then
it is complete. The inventory is imperfect (for collectors) if the variants
are not period-specific, but it is not incorrect or incomplete.
I agree with your efforts to get the inventories as perfect as possible, but
I'm expecting the highest standard of proof for tweaking inventories into
perfection. I think the collectors who care about these sets expect and deserve
only the best sources. That highest standard of proof is difficult to locate
for these old or rare sets and I understand and sympathize with your difficulties
in locating quality sources.
*All parts required to build the main model plus any other items on the official
parts list. In the absence of a parts list, the instructions, box images, and
official part count may be used to determine as closely as possible the constitution
of the Regular section.
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If I may add my brick: an inventory isn’t gospel truth, it’s a crowd-sourced
work-in-progress.
We might never know an inventory is “complete” / won’t ever change anymore: fifty
years from now, someone might dig up and open a sealed set with another variant
or extra.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 17:04 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | | | Can we agree on the following sentence?
A set inventory is not incorrect or incomplete just because it doesn't include
every possible variant and alternate variant which ever appeared in the set during
the years it was released.
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I am sorry but I would consider it incomplete.
|
Good lord, don't be sorry for having an opinion! We just disagree on that
particular point and we were finally able to pinpoint the exact cause of the
disagreement. That's a good thing.
My viewpoint is that if the inventory includes all the parts required*, then
it is complete. The inventory is imperfect (for collectors) if the variants
are not period-specific, but it is not incorrect or incomplete.
I agree with your efforts to get the inventories as perfect as possible, but
I'm expecting the highest standard of proof for tweaking inventories into
perfection. I think the collectors who care about these sets expect and deserve
only the best sources. That highest standard of proof is difficult to locate
for these old or rare sets and I understand and sympathize with your difficulties
in locating quality sources.
*All parts required to build the main model plus any other items on the official
parts list. In the absence of a parts list, the instructions, box images, and
official part count may be used to determine as closely as possible the constitution
of the Regular section.
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 16:49 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| | | Can we agree on the following sentence?
A set inventory is not incorrect or incomplete just because it doesn't include
every possible variant and alternate variant which ever appeared in the set during
the years it was released.
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I am sorry but I would consider it incomplete. If I buy a set coming with other
variant, I would try to replace them with the correct variant listed on bricklink.
9 months ago I bought two copies of 7730, one with yellow cones with axle hole.
I was thinking to buy yellow cones without axle hole to replace them but later
I realized that 7730 came with both cones.
I cannot talk in place of others but I am sure many collectors would think like
me as I know few of them being picky to have the correct variant and even, I
know one who examine each part to make sure it is period correct.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 14:37 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 75199-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, Match4980 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Minifig sw515 General Grievous - Bent Legs, White Armor
Comments from Submitter:
General Grievous SW515 has a new torso (87566pb02). The new version has a prominent black "Y" inset in the white torso. The coloring of the "Dark Bluish Gray #85" also has changed. Looks more like #10 Dark Gray?
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I don't understand clearly yours request.
There is
[m=sw515] in this set inventory already and you want to add two more?
It also has
in inventory, it is not new part it was also in
in 2014.
If you see some differences between current one sw515 from 75040 and Grievous
from 75199 please provide photo.
I don't see any differences, on left is my own Grievous from 75040 which
photo I provide to the catalog for sw515, center is Grievous from set 75199 from
this review https://brickset.com/article/32950/review-75199-general-grievous-combat-speeder
and right is official LEGO photo of Grievous from also 75199.
In this database it is also the same Grievous in 75040 and 75199 listed http://minifigs.nl/swminifigs/mfnl-grievous-wh.html
and person who runs the page is very good in catching small differences in SW
minifigs. He has listed there few variants of SW minifigs which aren't in
Bricklink catalog.
Marek
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| Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 13:54 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 41188-1 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* | | 41188-1 (Inv) Breakout from the Goblin King's Fortress
681 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2017
Sets: Elves |
* Add 4 Part 4865 Dark Bluish Gray Panel 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 4 Part Dark Bluish Gray 4865b Panel 1 x 2 x 1 with Rounded Corners {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
Both of my sets had 2 of each kind
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| Author: | Match4980 | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 13:46 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 75199-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Minifig sw515 General Grievous - Bent Legs, White Armor
Comments from Submitter:
General Grievous SW515 has a new torso (87566pb02). The new version has a prominent black "Y" inset in the white torso. The coloring of the "Dark Bluish Gray #85" also has changed. Looks more like #10 Dark Gray?
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 06:04 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 529-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, RobErNat writes:
| | in a case like this, without actual content or at least a good
view on the content, I do not think it is/was wise to confirm accuracy of the
set based on just the images of the box.
|
You're right, sort of. It is true that my confirmation of the accuracy of
this set doesn't mean much since it was based on Set Box/Picture (not like
the relative certainty of confirming based on Sealed Set Contents, for example).
However, Set Box/Picture is a valid method of confirming accuracy, just as it
is a valid method of inventorying a set.
I've been intermittently checking through old Duplo inventories and my confirmation
of accuracy allows me to verify at a glance which sets I've checked and which
ones I haven't. The front of this set box presumably shows all the contents
and the only thing truly blocked from view is the tree trunk on the right-hand
side of the picture which appears to be constructed of 4 yellow 2 x 2 Duplo blocks.
Therefore, I'm fairly confident that the set inventory is now accurate with
the changes I made, which is why I confirmed the accuracy of the set.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 05:54 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | These things are set to have the correct inventories, so this is the goal. Now
it seems to me that your goal is to follow these rules and not to correct inventories.
|
I have no problem correcting inventories where they are wrong and will accept
any reasonable source for that purpose. The problem lies in adding part variants
and alternate part variants.
Can we agree on the following sentence?
A set inventory is not incorrect or incomplete just because it doesn't include
every possible variant and alternate variant which ever appeared in the set during
the years it was released.
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| Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 05:54 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 529-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | * Change {4 to 6} Part Blue 3437 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2
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This one is incorrect. The part count should remain at 4.
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Still wrong. It should go up to five. Clearly I should've studied this
box more carefully before making change requests.
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It is good to be carefull and doublecheck things and try to be as accurate as
possible, yet, in a case like this, without actual content or at least a good
view on the content, I do not think it is/was wise to confirm accuracy of the
set based on just the images of the box.
Cheers, Eric
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 05:03 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 529-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| B. False
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 3664 Blue Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 x 2 Curved Top
* Change {6 to 5} Part Yellow 3437 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2
* Change {4 to 3} Part Green 3011 Duplo, Brick 2 x 4
* Change {1 to 3} Part Green 3437 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2
* Change {4 to 6} Part Blue 3437 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2
Comments from Submitter:
My great-aunt bought me this set for my 8th birthday.
A. True
B. False
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 05:01 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| There are few things that I have to write about, but it may get long so let me
write with a couple of comments.
| | Sorry, but your tradition argument doesn't hold much weight, especially considering
the large amount of significant changes to policies and inventories in the last
six months.
|
What I am talking about is the way you (admins) want to accept inventories. This
has not changed at all, even if we have complained. We want to correct and improve
inventories so why you set some ways to what should be accepted and what not.
These things are set to have the correct inventories, so this is the goal. Now
it seems to me that your goal is to follow these rules and not to correct inventories.
All I hear is
| | The best way, and I know you'll agree with me on this, is finding the correct
variants in sealed sets or sealed set bags and/or finding sets which have been
built once by known, reliable sources and then remained undisturbed
|
We have tried to follow and obey the rules as far as we could. Six months ago
I thought that you might not be sure about me and what I know about these sets.
So I tried to get along with your ways. These are really good and correct ways
but these train sets were released 30 years ago. What if we were living in 2050?
Were you still trying to find images of sealed sets? Maybe we need to find other
ways too.
It has been few months that I believe the hollowed hinges were released since
1985 and the sets 7735, 7745,... and 7817. Would you accept if I submitted the
inventory change request along with something like "I checked many listing of
these sets. Few of these trains that were for sale came with motor produced in
1985 or late 1984 so those were the earliest release of these sets and therefore
these data shows that the hollowed hinges came in earliest releases of these
sets".
I bet you wouldn't. We were lucky that I found a sealed set with motor dated
45 4 (45th week in 1984) and submitted a massive change of inventory for 7745
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1086776
Believe me. I knew what parts were in that copy of 7745 before receiving the
photos. The only things I didn't know were the type of conducting rails (with
or without reinforcements?) and the type of bricks 3001, 3002 and 3003.
I also knew all other inventory change requests many weeks and months before
I submitted them because I didn't have photos.
So, maybe you can trust the way we discovered these facts.
| | Going the best way route will mean incontrovertible evidence which it will never
again be necessary to change. It will also mean less bickering (26 messages
in this thread so far).
|
26 messages is worth it, even 200 message. You are in your position for six months.
I am sure you expect to correct the inventory of many vintage sets. Now Please
check the log of completed changes for the big 12v trains 7710, 7715,...,7760:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=7710-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=7715-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=7720-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=7722-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
.......
Until 2015 there were no signifacant improvement in their inventory(only adding
stickerred doors, correcting the quantity of few parts,...). Then Morris (lego.12vtrains)
started to correct them in 2015 and made some significant/important changes.
Now, during your 6 months of work in your position, the inventory of these 13
big train sets are almost correct. Here is the summary:
7710: done
7715: done
7720: battery wagon should be split as the contact holes changed
7722: done (the issue of solid hinges needs more investigation)
7725: done (motor bb12va should be added?)
7727: done
7730: cones and white small windows
7735: done
7740: done
7745: almost
7750: almost
7755: done
7760: done (the issue of motor type 3 needs more investigation)
12v trains and other supplemental sets for them are about one third of all sets
in 1980 and among the most collectible ones. So I think this is kind of a accomplishment
and 26 messages or even more is a small price to pay for this accomplishment.
That's where we disagree somewhat. Your "better way" involves two methods:
(a) checking large numbers of used sets for sale and drawing conclusions based
on statistical likelihood, and (b) basing part appearances on years of release.
Actually no! I don't consider part (b) as an evidence otherwise I would have
added many parts as alternative to 7750 (like motor bb12vb, white light bricks
with 3 contact holes,...) Part appearance and other things only gave me an idea
of what to expect. Once I got an idea on what is needed for investigation and
what to be expected, then I checked large number of items for sale of that particular
set in order to check the issues that I had already listed in an excel file.
So far, I found reliable photos (of sealed or MISB sets) for some of those issues
and I did not get a result different than what I (and Morris and Chris) expected.
Things get blocked for sets such as 7730, 7817,... or older sets before 1980.
I also wrote another message in which I suggested that BL spend some money for
correcting the vintage sets, once for ever.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1089547
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 04:28 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 529-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | * Change {4 to 6} Part Blue 3437 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2
|
This one is incorrect. The part count should remain at 4.
|
Still wrong. It should go up to five. Clearly I should've studied this
box more carefully before making change requests.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 04:25 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 529-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | * Change {4 to 6} Part Blue 3437 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2
|
This one is incorrect. The part count should remain at 4. It looks like the
red 2 x 2 brick count should e 7, though, instead of 6. The total part count
should be 40 based on all the parts seen on the front of the box.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 04:10 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 529-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | The correct answer is B. False
|
Unfortunately, I could not find a parts list or part count for this set. However,
the front and back of the box show evidence for the changes I'm requesting.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 10, 2018 04:07 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 529-1 | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 3664 Blue Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 x 2 Curved Top
* Change {6 to 5} Part Yellow 3437 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2
* Change {4 to 3} Part Green 3011 Duplo, Brick 2 x 4
* Change {1 to 3} Part Green 3437 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2
* Change {4 to 6} Part Blue 3437 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2
Comments from Submitter:
My great-aunt bought me this set for my 8th birthday.
A. True
B. False
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 21:55 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 5974-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 4 Part Blue {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
I found the blue jumpers and they are grooveless. The red and white ones are in the bad guy vehicle and the statue pedestal and I took those apart long ago.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 21:49 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8039-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 25 Part Dark Red {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
The jumpers on my ship are A
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 21:49 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 9062-1 | | Viewed: | 17 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 4883c02 Blue Duplo Car Base 2 x 6 with Red Wheels and Old Style Closed Hitch End
* Add 1 Part 2312c02 Blue Duplo Car Base 2 x 6 with Red Wheels and Open Hitch End
* Delete 1 Part 4199 Blue Duplo, Brick 2 x 8
* Add 1 Part 2291 Blue Duplo, Brick 2 x 10
* Add 1 Part 6394 Blue Duplo, Brick 2 x 4 x 2 with 2 x 2 Cutout on Bottom
* Add 1 Part 3664 Yellow Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 x 2 Curved Top
* Change {9 to 7} Part Blue 3437 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2
* Change {8 to 7} Part Green 3437 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2
* Change {6 to 7} Part Green 3011 Duplo, Brick 2 x 4
* Change {6 to 7} Part Red 3437 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2
* Change {6 to 7} Part Red 3011 Duplo, Brick 2 x 4
Comments from Submitter:
This set has significant similarities to set 2368-1, so much so that I am changing the inventories to match and adding a relationship match between the sets. I have verified the inventory of 2368-1 to be accurate using the parts list printed on the label on one side of the bucket.
This is almost certainly one of a handful of times that TLG has repackaged a regular set for educational use. Sometimes, as in the case of 9278-1, they don't appear to have even changed out the labels on the set.
I suspect 9062-1 was done this way, which is why there are no photos to be found of a set bucket with 9062 on the label. The set was likely sold to the education market in the 2368 bucket and was, therefore, the same set. The only difference was probably the fact that when educators ordered set 2368 they did so by ordering set number 9062.
I could not find 9062 in any education catalogs I have.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 21:13 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6243-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 10 Part Pearl Gold {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
The jumpers on my ship are grooveless.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 17:55 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8310-1 | | Viewed: | 14 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, BigBBricks writes:
| | I'm a Galidor collector with sealed sets, these parts are sand blue.
|
Would you mind posting a photo of the parts beside a sand blue part or parts?
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| Author: | BigBBricks | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 17:46 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8310-1 | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part gal19 Sand Blue Galidor Limb Leg Nick, Bottom Section with Dark Gray Shoe
* Add 2 Part x283c02 Sand Blue Galidor Limb Leg with Patch Pocket, Pin Socket and Light Gray Pin
Comments from Submitter:
I'm a Galidor collector with sealed sets, these parts are sand blue.
It will not allow me to request a change so I am submitting as add, sorry.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 13:11 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 9471-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 6 Part Dark Bluish Gray {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
I spoke with Russell before sending this request. I will be doing the actual sorting this evening, but I went ahead and opened two sets and I see some 3794a in both sets. It is definitely found in the sets, though I don't think anyone could say which variant is in the majority of sets.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 13:08 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 2688-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, hobbyist69 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 2324 White Duplo Building Wall with 2 Upper Shelves and 5 Studs On Top
* Add 1 Part 6461 White Duplo Building Wall 2 x 6 x 6 with 3 Cupboards
Comments from Submitter:
As shown in the picture used on your inventory for this set. Cupboard doors and windows do not fit in the deleted item but will fit in the added item.
|
And it is nicely visible on these attached photos, which are larger than current
one in database
Marek
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| Author: | hobbyist69 | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 10:53 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 2688-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 2324 White Duplo Building Wall with 2 Upper Shelves and 5 Studs On Top
* Add 1 Part 6461 White Duplo Building Wall 2 x 6 x 6 with 3 Cupboards
Comments from Submitter:
As shown in the picture used on your inventory for this set. Cupboard doors and windows do not fit in the deleted item but will fit in the added item.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 09:33 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7751-1 | | Viewed: | 15 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, Brick.Door writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 3068bpb0811L Dark Blue Tile 2 x 2 with Two White Triangles on Dark Blue Background Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 7751 (Counterpart)
* Change {1 to 2} Part Dark Blue 3068bpb0811R Tile 2 x 2 with Two White Triangles on Dark Blue Background Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 7751 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Confirmed with instructions and photo of sticker sheet - both tiles are the same for this set. Delete part 3068bpb0811L from the set it does not exist - the photo for the catalog was digitally altered.
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Change request now aproved.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 09:31 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7751-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | 2) remove both parts from inventory, marked both them for deletion, then new
part and new photo has to be submited and then added to the inventory.
|
I'd recommend this approach since at least one of the current entries has
been monkeyed with.
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So there was third solution parts were merged
[p=3068bpb0811]
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 04:12 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7751-1 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | 2) remove both parts from inventory, marked both them for deletion, then new
part and new photo has to be submited and then added to the inventory.
|
I'd recommend this approach since at least one of the current entries has
been monkeyed with.
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I thought so, I agree with you.
Brick.Door as a finder of this mess can you please add new stickered part
for this set with photo.
I want to make these adjustments just when we heave correct part in catalog.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 04:09 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 2426-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | Which of the following short stories was not written by Harlan Ellison?
1. "Repent, Harlequin!" Said the Ticktockman
2. The Deathbird
3. I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
4. -And He Built a Crooked House-
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The correct answer was 4. That story was written by Robert A. Heinlein and published
in February, 1941.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 04:04 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7751-1 | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | 2) remove both parts from inventory, marked both them for deletion, then new
part and new photo has to be submited and then added to the inventory.
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I'd recommend this approach since at least one of the current entries has
been monkeyed with.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 03:58 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7751-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, Brick.Door writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 3068bpb0811L Dark Blue Tile 2 x 2 with Two White Triangles on Dark Blue Background Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 7751 (Counterpart)
* Change {1 to 2} Part Dark Blue 3068bpb0811R Tile 2 x 2 with Two White Triangles on Dark Blue Background Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 7751 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Confirmed with instructions and photo of sticker sheet - both tiles are the same for this set. Delete part 3068bpb0811L from the set it does not exist - the photo for the catalog was digitally altered.
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As like Poirot I propose two solutions 
1) aprove these changes, but then name should be changed for this part by delete
"Pattern Model Right Side" and change "Dark Blue Background" to "Clear Background"
and also number changed by remove of "R" (catalog change requests) but first
new image for this part should be submited because it is completly wrong
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1089720
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1089728
Can you take new photo of it and submit to the catalog?
Of course part "L" should be marked for deletion and removed from the catalog.
2) remove both parts from inventory, marked both them for deletion, then new
part and new photo has to be submited and then added to the inventory.
Marek
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 03:56 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 2392-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 4883c02 Yellow Duplo Car Base 2 x 6 with Red Wheels and Old Style Closed Hitch End
* Add 1 Part 2312c02 Yellow Duplo Car Base 2 x 6 with Red Wheels and Open Hitch End
Comments from Submitter:
See photo of parts list added to original box entry.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 9, 2018 03:15 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7751-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, Brick.Door writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 3068bpb0811L Dark Blue Tile 2 x 2 with Two White Triangles on Dark Blue Background Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 7751 (Counterpart)
* Change {1 to 2} Part Dark Blue 3068bpb0811R Tile 2 x 2 with Two White Triangles on Dark Blue Background Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 7751 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Confirmed with instructions and photo of sticker sheet - both tiles are the same for this set. Delete part 3068bpb0811L from the set it does not exist - the photo for the catalog was digitally altered.
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New result of this investigation
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1089720
I think both should be remove from inventory and catalog.
Marek
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| Author: | Brick.Door | | Posted: | May 8, 2018 20:27 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7751-1 | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 3068bpb0811L Dark Blue Tile 2 x 2 with Two White Triangles on Dark Blue Background Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 7751 (Counterpart)
* Change {1 to 2} Part Dark Blue 3068bpb0811R Tile 2 x 2 with Two White Triangles on Dark Blue Background Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 7751 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Confirmed with instructions and photo of sticker sheet - both tiles are the same for this set. Delete part 3068bpb0811L from the set it does not exist - the photo for the catalog was digitally altered.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 8, 2018 15:02 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I assume few years ago, some mistakes happen so you came up with these rules
to make sure no mistake happen.
So, these rules were made to make sure the inventories are accurate.
Now, these rules are sometimes making the inventories inaccurate. But this is
not for you important, what is important is to follow the rules. This would remind
me one word:
TRADITION!
And again
TRAIDIONS, TRADITIONS, TRADITIONS
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I've been in my position for just over 6 months. Marek has been in his position
for less than 2 months. I think it's fair to say that neither of us have
had time yet to become hidebound. Even Russell has been in his position for
less than a year.
Sorry, but your tradition argument doesn't hold much weight, especially considering
the large amount of significant changes to policies and inventories in the last
six months.
| | Why we don't make it in a better way?
- Because of traditions.
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That's where we disagree somewhat. Your "better way" involves two methods:
(a) checking large numbers of used sets for sale and drawing conclusions based
on statistical likelihood, and (b) basing part appearances on years of release.
You're absolutely right, those are better ways than the ways used
in the past (which appear to have been instructions or used sets). Nevertheless,
I'd like to skip the better ways and go straight to the best way - why settle
for better when the best is possible?
The best way, and I know you'll agree with me on this, is finding the correct
variants in sealed sets or sealed set bags and/or finding sets which have been
built once by known, reliable sources and then remained undisturbed. Going the
better way route will mean more work for everyone involved - more looking, more
changing, more arguments and arbitrary decisions.
Going the best way route will mean incontrovertible evidence which it will never
again be necessary to change. It will also mean less bickering (26 messages
in this thread so far).
Tradition doesn't enter into it for me, but wanting the absolute best for
BrickLink inventories does. All I'm asking from you is that we skip the
intermediate steps and go straight to the best sources. Finding the best sources
may involve more difficulty, but the end result will be worth the trouble involved.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 8, 2018 14:23 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7879-1 | | Viewed: | 14 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, razorflan writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part 30258pb054 Dark Bluish Gray Road Sign Clip-on 2 x 2 Square with Alien Characters Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7879+
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One thing you should choose counterpart not regular. But I corrected it, so now
you can check it is in inventory
Congratulation you went through whole process of adding stickered part to catalog
and to inventory
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 8, 2018 14:18 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7879-1 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, razorflan writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part 30258pb054 Dark Bluish Gray Road Sign Clip-on 2 x 2 Square with Alien Characters Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7879
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Perfect
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| Author: | razorflan | | Posted: | May 8, 2018 14:17 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7879-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part 30258pb054 Dark Bluish Gray Road Sign Clip-on 2 x 2 Square with Alien Characters Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7879
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 8, 2018 03:18 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 4430-1 | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, brickadoon writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 3009 Red Brick 1 x 6 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 6111 Red Brick 1 x 10 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Hope I've done this right In this set there are 2 x "FIRE 4430" stickers, which aren't in the current inventory. I have the set with the stickers on the relevant parts (according to the instructions) - do I need to supply photos too?
Thanks, Rich - Brickadoon
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You can't add plain part as a replacment for stickered part which is missing
in counterpart section. This request will be rejected. Please first add this
part with sticker applied to the catalog with photos https://www.bricklink.com/wantedCatalog.asp?catType=P,
then fill Inventory Change Request and add them after they are aproved.
Adding parts https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=71
Adding photos https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=87
This thread also can help you
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1085264
Marek
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| Author: | brickadoon | | Posted: | May 8, 2018 03:16 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 4430-1 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 3009 Red Brick 1 x 6 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 6111 Red Brick 1 x 10 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Hope I've done this right In this set there are 2 x "FIRE 4430" stickers, which aren't in the current inventory. I have the set with the stickers on the relevant parts (according to the instructions) - do I need to supply photos too?
Thanks, Rich - Brickadoon
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | May 7, 2018 18:19 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| Here are photos of three copies of 7817 that were for sale last week.
All coming with thin ring clips.
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | | | As for 2731b, it obviously exists and had been in the catalog since 2012 without
being included in any set's inventory. You said it came in those sets and
I believed you (although you're right - I should have asked to see some proof).
Are you now saying that you're not sure it appeared in 7735 and 7745?
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I am sure but not in the way you would like
However, I think crazychris opened a sealed 7745 during the last Christmas in
which 2731b was included. But no more info from his copy as he has stored it.
I have some data and will write other messages soon.
| | In fact, I'm quite surprised that you wouldn't support the removal
of the thin ring clip since its inclusion in the inventory was based on secondhand
used sets from someone's childhood.
|
I am so surprised that you are surprised about my support to keep he thin ring
clip. Seriously. By now, you know that I have checked many and many sets before
having an idea and submitting an inventory change. Only last week, there were
about 15 copies of this set for sale and 3 or 4 of them came with thin ring clip
which are the rare one. By my experience, 10-20% of 7817 came with thin ring
clip.
Maybe this is the first time you checked the inventory of this set but I have
been checking thin rings clips as they were used for 7727 and 7755 (from 1983-4)
and 7817 and 7745 from 1985-90.
My conclusion is that they started to appear about 1986 maybe few months earlier
or later but that is not 1985.
The copy of Jetflap came with thick one because his set was abought in 1989 or
1990 as the version and copy right year (1989) of the box shows this. This is
not at all supporting the removal of thin clip rings. This set was released for
six years. Come on!
Thea was not sure if he exchanged the ring clips.
| | the current 4081 have the thick ring,
but there is a 'small possibility' that I replaced those because of breakage.
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She didn't say on what month in 1985 they bought it.
paulvdb didn't say in what year he bought his copy.
* Again, likelihood is different than Statistics. This latter one is science.
It is as true as 2+2=4. Statistics don't lie.
On the other hand, Bl can put some funds to correct the inventories. For each
set with these type of troubles, 10-25 Euro would be enough.
* From now on, I cannot add any variant of a part as this will cause the other
one to be removed from the inventory. So, I can submit such request if I have
only evidence for both of them.
Before, I thought instructions was considered as a fact unless if there is a
100% reliable evidence to disregard it considering one particular part.
For removal of hinges with solid studs from 7745 and 7735, I had a good evidence
but this still doesn't tell if the hinges with hollow studs were never used
for early releases. So if never such an evidence show up, I won't be surprised
as I also suggested to keep them as alternate.
As an exercise, whenever I get time, I find an evidence to add thick clip rings
to the following sets from 1985 or 1986 or 1987 and remove the thin clip rings.
Then the number of sets in which thin clip rings appeared goes done from 66
to about 30.
| | | | Why is it accepted that the inventories were listed based on instructions but
the thin ring cannot be included based on instructions?
|
Because any inventory is better than no inventory and the specific part variant
included does not necessarily detract from the accuracy of a given inventory.
Including specific variants and alternate variants is fine-tuning which should
only be done based on hard evidence.
| | Do you accept instructions or the box as a reliable source in the absence of
a sealed set or a copy kept in original condition?
|
Yes.
| | If yes, then the thin ring should be kept.
|
No, because you forget the evidence of pauldvb (which verifies what Thea and
Jetflap also found, although they were less sure than Paul):
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=236073&nID=1089162
The instructions for 7817 were used to get a basic inventory going and then recently
refined based on what was actually found in sets. To refine the inventory further
by including the thin ring clip as regular or alternate, evidence must be provided.
| | If no, then the current inventories of all the train sets are based on this.
Would you delete them until one finds a sealed copy or something as good as that?
|
In an ideal world every inventory would be created by a reliable contributor
using sealed set contents and nothing in the inventory would ever be changed
without referencing a sealed set. This is likely possible for most sets, but
the problem lies in finding reliable contributors who are willing to sacrifice
a sealed set for the purpose of inventory.
In the absence of living in an ideal world we do the best we can and sometimes
the instructions are the best we can do. That doesn't mean inventories based
on instructions are desirable - they're more of a last resort and they should
be assumed to be possibly incorrect for part variants.
By the way, I've updated this page to address this issue under the sub-section
titled Adding Alternate Part Variants:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | May 7, 2018 18:07 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| | | As for 2731b, it obviously exists and had been in the catalog since 2012 without
being included in any set's inventory. You said it came in those sets and
I believed you (although you're right - I should have asked to see some proof).
Are you now saying that you're not sure it appeared in 7735 and 7745?
|
I am sure but not in the way you would like
However, I think crazychris opened a sealed 7745 during the last Christmas in
which 2731b was included. But no more info from his copy as he has stored it.
I have some data and will write other messages soon.
| | In fact, I'm quite surprised that you wouldn't support the removal
of the thin ring clip since its inclusion in the inventory was based on secondhand
used sets from someone's childhood.
|
I am so surprised that you are surprised about my support to keep he thin ring
clip. Seriously. By now, you know that I have checked many and many sets before
having an idea and submitting an inventory change. Only last week, there were
about 15 copies of this set for sale and 3 or 4 of them came with thin ring clip
which are the rare one. By my experience, 10-20% of 7817 came with thin ring
clip.
Maybe this is the first time you checked the inventory of this set but I have
been checking thin rings clips as they were used for 7727 and 7755 (from 1983-4)
and 7817 and 7745 from 1985-90.
My conclusion is that they started to appear about 1986 maybe few months earlier
or later but that is not 1985.
The copy of Jetflap came with thick one because his set was abought in 1989 or
1990 as the version and copy right year (1989) of the box shows this. This is
not at all supporting the removal of thin clip rings. This set was released for
six years. Come on!
Thea was not sure if he exchanged the ring clips.
| | the current 4081 have the thick ring,
but there is a 'small possibility' that I replaced those because of breakage.
|
She didn't say on what month in 1985 they bought it.
paulvdb didn't say in what year he bought his copy.
* Again, likelihood is different than Statistics. This latter one is science.
It is as true as 2+2=4. Statistics don't lie.
On the other hand, Bl can put some funds to correct the inventories. For each
set with these type of troubles, 10-25 Euro would be enough.
* From now on, I cannot add any variant of a part as this will cause the other
one to be removed from the inventory. So, I can submit such request if I have
only evidence for both of them.
Before, I thought instructions was considered as a fact unless if there is a
100% reliable evidence to disregard it considering one particular part.
For removal of hinges with solid studs from 7745 and 7735, I had a good evidence
but this still doesn't tell if the hinges with hollow studs were never used
for early releases. So if never such an evidence show up, I won't be surprised
as I also suggested to keep them as alternate.
As an exercise, whenever I get time, I find an evidence to add thick clip rings
to the following sets from 1985 or 1986 or 1987 and remove the thin clip rings.
Then the number of sets in which thin clip rings appeared goes done from 66
to about 30.
| | | | Why is it accepted that the inventories were listed based on instructions but
the thin ring cannot be included based on instructions?
|
Because any inventory is better than no inventory and the specific part variant
included does not necessarily detract from the accuracy of a given inventory.
Including specific variants and alternate variants is fine-tuning which should
only be done based on hard evidence.
| | Do you accept instructions or the box as a reliable source in the absence of
a sealed set or a copy kept in original condition?
|
Yes.
| | If yes, then the thin ring should be kept.
|
No, because you forget the evidence of pauldvb (which verifies what Thea and
Jetflap also found, although they were less sure than Paul):
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=236073&nID=1089162
The instructions for 7817 were used to get a basic inventory going and then recently
refined based on what was actually found in sets. To refine the inventory further
by including the thin ring clip as regular or alternate, evidence must be provided.
| | If no, then the current inventories of all the train sets are based on this.
Would you delete them until one finds a sealed copy or something as good as that?
|
In an ideal world every inventory would be created by a reliable contributor
using sealed set contents and nothing in the inventory would ever be changed
without referencing a sealed set. This is likely possible for most sets, but
the problem lies in finding reliable contributors who are willing to sacrifice
a sealed set for the purpose of inventory.
In the absence of living in an ideal world we do the best we can and sometimes
the instructions are the best we can do. That doesn't mean inventories based
on instructions are desirable - they're more of a last resort and they should
be assumed to be possibly incorrect for part variants.
By the way, I've updated this page to address this issue under the sub-section
titled Adding Alternate Part Variants:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | May 7, 2018 17:33 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| | | Inventories should ideally reflect what was actually found in sets.
Not what could have been found.
Not even what was likely to have been found.
Only what was actually found.
When I say that, of course, I'm only repeating what Russell said back In
February:
| | We are not going to approve requests to blanket the inventory system with every
possible variant. If you want to add a variant to an inventory, you need to a
have a reliable source.
|
And also:
| | We're not disagreeing about the likelihood of a variant being found in a
given set. We're disagreeing about how the BrickLink inventories should function.
BrickLink inventories represent, as well as possible, what has actually been
found in reliable sources, not what should be found, or what is commonly found,
or what might eventually be found.
|
|
I assume few years ago, some mistakes happen so you came up with these rules
to make sure no mistake happen.
So, these rules were made to make sure the inventories are accurate.
Now, these rules are sometimes making the inventories inaccurate. But this is
not for you important, what is important is to follow the rules. This would remind
me one word:
TRADITION!
And again
TRAIDIONS, TRADITIONS, TRADITIONS
Why we don't make it in a better way?
- Because of traditions.
The inventories of train sets are 80% accurate but the data few experts have
gathered is 99% accurate. So why don't follow that?
- because of TRADITIONS.
Why admins keep the inventories with some mistakes and don't follow what
few experts know about these vintage sets:
- TRADITIONS!
There is even a nice video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWSoYCetG6A
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| Author: | ElvisandBane | | Posted: | May 6, 2018 20:17 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 75021-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part 4150pb002b White Tile, Round 2 x 2 with SW Republic Pattern on White Background (Sticker) (Counterpart)
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| Author: | ElvisandBane | | Posted: | May 6, 2018 20:00 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 75021-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 87079 White Tile 2 x 4 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
87079pb448L is listed in counterparts; however, there should also be a 87079pb448R for this set. The stickers, on the 2x4 tile, for left and right is a little different
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 6, 2018 13:13 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | The inventories of ALL train sets before 1991 that I have checked are based on
the instructions. Would you not delete now all these inventories?
|
No. An inventory based on instructions is better than no inventory at all.
I myself have added a number of inventories based on instructions.
The issue isn't inventories based on instructions. The issue is part variants
being added based on anything other than actually finding those variants in sets.
| | And I recall many instances in which you didn't follow what you say here.
Here I remember:
1) Set 6842
|
| | I just recall these two. I can remember more later.
How would you explain this?
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The explanation is that I was not consistent and I thank you for letting me know
about this instance where I was inconsistent. I have corrected the inventory
of set 6842 to remove the variant which was incorrectly included. If you remember
any more instances later, please let me know.
| | you added 2731b to 7735 and 7745; a part that was not included in any set
at the time. I did not give any evidence of any type. You accepted.
|
As for 2731b, it obviously exists and had been in the catalog since 2012 without
being included in any set's inventory. You said it came in those sets and
I believed you (although you're right - I should have asked to see some proof).
Are you now saying that you're not sure it appeared in 7735 and 7745?
| | Why is it accepted that the inventories were listed based on instructions but
the thin ring cannot be included based on instructions?
|
Because any inventory is better than no inventory and the specific part variant
included does not necessarily detract from the accuracy of a given inventory.
Including specific variants and alternate variants is fine-tuning which should
only be done based on hard evidence.
| | Do you accept instructions or the box as a reliable source in the absence of
a sealed set or a copy kept in original condition?
|
Yes.
| | If yes, then the thin ring should be kept.
|
No, because you forget the evidence of pauldvb (which verifies what Thea and
Jetflap also found, although they were less sure than Paul):
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=236073&nID=1089162
The instructions for 7817 were used to get a basic inventory going and then recently
refined based on what was actually found in sets. To refine the inventory further
by including the thin ring clip as regular or alternate, evidence must be provided.
| | If no, then the current inventories of all the train sets are based on this.
Would you delete them until one finds a sealed copy or something as good as that?
|
In an ideal world every inventory would be created by a reliable contributor
using sealed set contents and nothing in the inventory would ever be changed
without referencing a sealed set. This is likely possible for most sets, but
the problem lies in finding reliable contributors who are willing to sacrifice
a sealed set for the purpose of inventory.
In the absence of living in an ideal world we do the best we can and sometimes
the instructions are the best we can do. That doesn't mean inventories based
on instructions are desirable - they're more of a last resort and they should
be assumed to be possibly incorrect for part variants.
By the way, I've updated this page to address this issue under the sub-section
titled Adding Alternate Part Variants:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
|
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 6, 2018 12:41 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8285-1 | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In other words, should my counts be considered 1) The correct contents, although
they don't match the brick list in the instructions 2) A variant which should
be reflected in the inventory 3) A production error to be ignored
|
That's a tough one. What should happen here is that several people who own
this set need to carefully check the contents and compare notes. Also, it needs
to be determined for sure if alternate instructions exist or not.
There's some detective work to be done. Unfortunately, you didn't get
much help in the forums here. I suggest you post on Brickset and perhaps some
other websites (like a Technic hobbyist page) to see if you can gather further
information about exactly what is going on with this set.
|
Well, the reason for me writing about this is that I'm about to sell my set
and I wanted to ensure that it was complete which I can only say it is when comparing
against Peeron (unless I put an extra liftarm from another set in the bag). After
the sale, I will not be able to verify any details about this set any longer.
Trying to dig up more information about this issue will be time taken from other
important projects of mine, so I'll just leave this thread to be picked up
by anyone else coming across this issue at some point in the future.
/Jan
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | May 6, 2018 08:22 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| | | Inventories should ideally reflect what was actually found in sets.
Not what could have been found.
Not even what was likely to have been found.
Only what was actually found.
When I say that, of course, I'm only repeating what Russell said back In
February:
|
The inventories of ALL train sets before 1991 that I have checked are based on
the instructions. All means I don't recall even one of them that was not
based on a source. I say this because all mistakes I have seen are exactly those
mistakes that one cane find in instructions or those things that we cannot check
through instructions.
Would you not delete now all these inventories?
And I recall many instances in which you didn't follow what you say here.
Here I remember:
1) Set 6842
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=232077
You wrote:
"I have no problem adding the slope without bottom tube, but I'm wondering
why we're keeping the other as alternate. Since you can prove that the set
came with the slope without the bottom tube, what do you think about just replacing
3040 altogether?"
I answered:
"This set appears in the catalog of 1984 (seems not in those catalogs of 1985)"
and finally you:
"Ah, yes. Good catch - I forgot about checking that aspect. Since it was in
'84 catalogs, then it likely did come with the bottom tube variant."
2) you added 2731b to 7735 and 7745; a part that was not included in any set
at the time. I did not give any evidence of any type. You accepted.
I just recall these two. I can remember more later.
How would you explain this?
Why is it accepted that the inventories were listed based on instructions but
the thin ring cannot be included based on instructions?
I think the evidence that the thin ring did not appear in the copy of Thea was
poor as she was not even sure. We don't know if that copy was from the very
first release or the other one. This small set was sold a lot as it was smaller
and cheaper;
Do you accept instructions or the box as a reliable source in the absence of
a sealed set or a copy kept in original condition?
If yes, then the thin ring should be kept.
If no, then the current inventories of all the train sets are based on this.
Would you delete them until one finds a sealed copy or something as good as that?
If no, why likelihood is not better than instructions?
What you call Likelihood I call Statistics. This is science. Our life is based
really on instructions more than what we can imagine. The big companies spend
lots of money to hire mathematicians in order to make their more important decisions.
| | Therefore, you know from experience that adding parts to inventories because
they were likely to have appeared in sets is not the best approach and I really
can't understand why you're making the argument that we should be doing
it for 7817.
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This part was added based on what you call "likelihood". I never followed this
type of arguments and never requested a part to be added based on "likelihood".
But, I think if a part is seen many times with a set in various auction sites
and if that part is somehow rare (not like bricks, tracks,...) then the chance
that the sellers made all a mistake in using those parts with their set is zero.
Basically this means it is impossible to toss a dice 20 times and get "6" all
the twenty times.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 6, 2018 03:41 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | For 7817, the light gray hinges with hollow studs were in production since 1985.
Is this an doubt that they appeared in 7817 which was released until the end
of 1990? Isn't 6 years enough? Would you accept it if it was released until
2000?
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Inventories should ideally reflect what was actually found in sets.
Not what could have been found.
Not even what was likely to have been found.
Only what was actually found.
When I say that, of course, I'm only repeating what Russell said back In
February:
| | We are not going to approve requests to blanket the inventory system with every
possible variant. If you want to add a variant to an inventory, you need to a
have a reliable source.
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And also:
| | We're not disagreeing about the likelihood of a variant being found in a
given set. We're disagreeing about how the BrickLink inventories should function.
BrickLink inventories represent, as well as possible, what has actually been
found in reliable sources, not what should be found, or what is commonly found,
or what might eventually be found.
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You said the following in this recent inventory request:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1088133
| | This part was added on Feb 2, 2007. The submitted added this part as alternative
to all sets from 1980 (7865 and 7730) on the same day. I believe he assumed this
part was used in later releases of this three sets.
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Therefore, you know from experience that adding parts to inventories because
they were likely to have appeared in sets is not the best approach and I really
can't understand why you're making the argument that we should be doing
it for 7817.
| | How wrong is to remove the thin ring and how hard is to be that is came in only
early releases of 7817? Answer: it is really hard. The boxes don't have window
and even if we but , open and check a sealed set, it will be most likely a later
release coming with thick rings.
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Consider this question: is the inventory of set 7817-1 inaccurate if it includes
4 of part 4081b Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Light - Thick Ring in light gray?
My answer is that the inventory is accurate.
Is it exhaustively, completely, precisely accurate? No, possibly not for all
part variants. But if you want that kind of accuracy, then it's worth getting
right and the only way to make sure you're getting it absolutely right is
to find a solid source. The years of release are not solid sources, they are
only educated guesses.
There is no harm in leaving the inventory as it is until a solid source surfaces
of the thin ring appearing in the set. The original source for the inclusion
of the thin ring was a used lot of childhood sets purchased and then used for
inventory. I'm sure you'll agree that this is not exactly the most reliable
way to achieve the precise accuracy you'd like to see in set inventories.
In fact, I'm quite surprised that you wouldn't support the removal
of the thin ring clip since its inclusion in the inventory was based on secondhand
used sets from someone's childhood.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 6, 2018 02:45 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8285-1 | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In other words, should my counts be considered 1) The correct contents, although
they don't match the brick list in the instructions 2) A variant which should
be reflected in the inventory 3) A production error to be ignored
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That's a tough one. What should happen here is that several people who own
this set need to carefully check the contents and compare notes. Also, it needs
to be determined for sure if alternate instructions exist or not.
There's some detective work to be done. Unfortunately, you didn't get
much help in the forums here. I suggest you post on Brickset and perhaps some
other websites (like a Technic hobbyist page) to see if you can gather further
information about exactly what is going on with this set.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 6, 2018 02:38 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 21127-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, mizaring writes:
| | Anyhow feel free to check this or not, I just wanted to make the inventory as
accurate as possible Just let me know if I can help in any way.
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I hope you didn't feel like your concerns were being dismissed. We do appreciate
any contributions you make.
If the Regular Items portion of an inventory is accurate, then the inventory
is accurate. The Extra Items section is provided as a courtesy to make partouts
easier and has little bearing on the accuracy of an inventory. If extra were
required to complete a model or included on official parts lists or part counts,
then it would be a different story.
That said, we would like to see the extras as accurate as possible, but their
natural variability makes true accuracy impossible. In other words, there is
no way to know for sure if the extras for one set will appear in exactly the
same way in another set.
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 6, 2018 02:36 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8285-1 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | | | | | This other situation could be a case of multiple instructions. Check yours against
some of the others listed in databases. Brickset is a great resource for this
- there is a link there provided by Swooshable that will give you all the major
sources.
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And also: All available scans of the building instructions have the same (IMHO
wrong) inventory on the last pages. Only one version seems to exist.
/Jan
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It's been almost a month now. What should we do about this? Am I and the
person that did the Peeron inventory the only two people in the world who had
these off count contents in the box? And what could be the reason for the person
adding the extra 32278 liftarm in 2012 other than the instructions saying it
should be there (and in my and Peeron's case it wasn't).
In other words, should my counts be considered 1) The correct contents, although
they don't match the brick list in the instructions 2) A variant which should
be reflected in the inventory 3) A production error to be ignored
/Jan
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | May 6, 2018 01:34 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In this comment, I explain how I got the idea that the hinges with hollow studs
were produced since 1985 (and indeed late 1984 as TLG had run their first production
runs for 7735, 7745, 7817,... in late 1984)
Last summer, I was looking to buy 7735 and 7745 and I realized that the hinges
with solid studs were very expensive but missing in those auctions of 7735, 7745
and 7817 that I was checking. The hinges of All those auctions were with hollow
studs. At some point, I gave up and thought: this is not normal!
Last winter, in a forum, an AFOL told me that the production date of motors are
engraved under them so this gave me an excellent way to check the early releases
of 7735 and 7745. Without that, I could not convince Admins that those hinges
were in production since 1985 considering the fact that all insturctions in 1985
and 1986 shows hinges with solid studs.
I got and saved some evidence (with the help of Morris).
1) 7745: photos 1-3
Production date of motor: 41 5
Hinges: hollowed
2) 7745: photos 4-7
Production date of motor: 24 5
Hinges: all hollowed
Clips: not checked
3) 7735:
Production date of motor: 48 5
Hinges: all hollowed
Owner: the user "go4bob"
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Thea writes:
| | I purchased this set in Europe in 1985 as an adult.
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Thanks for chiming in, Thea.
SezaR, you may not be aware of this, but Thea is an inventory administrator herself
over at Rebrickable. The fact that she purchased the set as an adult and has
kept it isolated is very helpful. I'm also pleased to see confirmation of
Jetlap's information in a European set.
I've approved your change requests with one caveat - I've removed the
thin ring clip (4081a). If you find proof of it in a set, then it can always
be added back in.
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| Author: | mizaring | | Posted: | May 5, 2018 22:29 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 21127-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
Also, the person who originally inventoried the set is a well-respected former
inventories administrator. If Jen said her copy of the set came with 5 extras,
then I have little doubt that it is true.
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Thanks Guys,
I fully understand the logic behind all this, however I own all Lego Minecraft
sets and found no errors in other inventories (extra included) to date, except
this one. I know Jennnifer is a trusted source, but I also completed her inventory
of 41144-1 (Petite's Royal Stable) with missing extras. I just wanted to
ask if anybody else had the set and could double check this, the extras in those
sets don't change in quantity from what I have seen, Lego QA is really reputable
on this. It would also indicate if I am the one missing a piece if there's
really 5 extra instead of 4.
Anyhow feel free to check this or not, I just wanted to make the inventory as
accurate as possible Just let me know if I can help in any way.
Thanks and have a good day!
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | May 5, 2018 16:59 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| | | Isn't that just a bit overdramatic?
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Is it going to affect m daily life? The answer is no, even if one add the following
parts to 7817
So, in this context it is not overdramatic.
How wrong is to remove the thin ring and how hard is to be that is came in only
early releases of 7817? Answer: it is really hard. The boxes don't have window
and even if we but , open and check a sealed set, it will be most likely a later
release coming with thick rings.
So yes, in this context it is overdramatic.
| | All of these requests could indeed be correct, but they are based too much on
speculation and potentially unreliable sources.
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All of these requests are indeed correct. Having checked for about 10 months
all listings of these sets in various websites and compare with I believe with
other 12v fans make them unreliable. When I am not sure, I do not submit. When
something may not be complete or need more investigation, I state it (I should
state it).
My source was reliable. Jetflap had kept his parts in original condition, however
there was slightly chance that few bricks were intermingled. After 30 years,
who can remember all details on how the sets were kept, got moved between boxes,...?
Let's review my initial inventor requests:
* Delete 2 Part 3003 Red Brick 2 x 2
My comment: I was not sure
* Add 2 Part 3003old Red Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
It is now verified by others too.
* Add 4 Part 4081b Light Gray Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Light - Thick Ring
(Alternate) (match ID 1)
It is now verified by others too.
* Delete 4 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs
Very hard to prove a part never appeared in any copy of a set. But this is most
likely correct. I will give my reason later in a new comment.
* Add 4 Part 4275 Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers
It is now verified by others too.
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 4081a Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Light - Thin
Ring {match ID 0 to 1}
This should be kept. I give my reason later in a new comment.
I understand that your work is not straight, but sometimes you accept things
so easily. For example you added
to 7735 and 7745 without any evidence (I had some evidence but not from a sealed
set)
For 7817, the light gray hinges with hollow studs were in production since 1985.
Is this an doubt that they appeared in 7817 which was released until the end
of 1990? Isn't 6 years enough? Would you accept it if it was released until
2000?
This comment is not meant to be a complaint, I wrote it only to explain how I
see things from an inventory-change-requester so that future in. requests will
go smoother
In another longer comment, I will explain my full understand on hinges and clips
(thin/thick).
You provided no evidence for keeping
| | the thin ring clip and you gave no indication of how important it was to you.
You only said the following:
| | We have seen the part 4081a was seen in earliest release of 7745 from 1985 so
I suggest to keep it as regular and add 4081b as alternate.
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The fact that you referenced a different set is not evidence of which part variant
appeared in 7817-1. Since we had evidence from the earliest version ( the first
year of release, in fact) that 7817-1 came with the thick ring clip, I decided
it would be reasonable to remove the thin ring clip until such time as it could
be proven to appear in the set.
Not the end of the world, for sure.
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| Author: | bb53904 | | Posted: | May 5, 2018 16:51 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | I will contact the original submitter of the set and see if he can provide the
reasoning for using the thin ring in the inventory. If he can give me the source
for the original inventory, then I will update the inventory to show that source.
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The source of the inventory was a friend's childhood collection. Therefore,
I have changed BrickLink's source to Instructions (previously there was no
source listed).
The submitter says that as far as can be remembered the set came with a thin
ring clip.
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To answer Sezar's request for a list of my complete train sets - A reminder
that many 4.5v and 12v train sets are stored in one of 4 large boxes that are
supporting a 6ft x 6ft display. Since 7817-1 is available for checking, it is
the only train car I can say with any certainty at the present time is
in its original state. My father visited us in 1985 for my daughter's graduation.
He is the one who built it from a new box, and my son never wanted it taken
apart because "Grandpa built it." I specified train car because he did take
the minifig to play with.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 5, 2018 14:11 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | I will contact the original submitter of the set and see if he can provide the
reasoning for using the thin ring in the inventory. If he can give me the source
for the original inventory, then I will update the inventory to show that source.
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The source of the inventory was a friend's childhood collection. Therefore,
I have changed BrickLink's source to Instructions (previously there was no
source listed).
The submitter says that as far as can be remembered the set came with a thin
ring clip.
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| Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | May 5, 2018 07:01 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7817-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, paulvdb writes:
| | My set has 3003 with cross supports. This set was bought as new sealed and was never mixed with parts from other sets.
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Do your set be having the
or the
in light gray?
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It has the thick ring (4081b).
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