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| | | Author: | Nubs_Select  | | Posted: | Apr 6, 2024 18:02 | | Subject: | Question about Undetermined as alternates | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| While I was working on cleaning up part
I came across multiple sets such as where they have the undetermined
as a normal entry and then have a solid/hollow version as an alternate in the
set.
for example set
has
as a regular part with match ID 10
then has
as an alternate with match ID 10
but when watching a new build of the set it has
then there are sets like
where
with match ID 3 in the main section and
with match ID 3 is listed as an alternate.
so I'm a little confused as to how to handle these ones. when alternates
are the main part in the inventory and the a or b is in the alternates or when
a or b is in the main inventory and the undetermined version is listed as an
alternate is this something that happened when the part was separated? I dont
really know what to do with these
Thanks!
-Jason
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| | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2024 07:56 | | Subject: | Re: Question about Undetermined as alternates | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | While I was working on cleaning up part
I came across multiple sets such as where they have the undetermined
as a normal entry and then have a solid/hollow version as an alternate in the
set.
for example set
has
as a regular part with match ID 10
then has
as an alternate with match ID 10
but when watching a new build of the set it has
then there are sets like
where
with match ID 3 in the main section and
with match ID 3 is listed as an alternate.
so I'm a little confused as to how to handle these ones. when alternates
are the main part in the inventory and the a or b is in the alternates or when
a or b is in the main inventory and the undetermined version is listed as an
alternate is this something that happened when the part was separated? I dont
really know what to do with these
Thanks!
-Jason
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Before the determined entry 4532b was added to the catalog, there were only the
determined entry 4532a (called "with solid studs" ) and the entry 4532
which did not specify the version in the name, but was also not called undermined.
Since the images under 4532 showed hollow studs and the only other 4532* entry
in the catalog was 4532a with solid studs, 4532 was often considered the hollow
studs version. So if you have an inventory with 4532a and 4532, it usually means
that both versions were found in the set. However, this should still be checked
before 4532 can be replaced with 4532b.
As a start, always check the change log.
For 3179 you can see that 4532 was added as an alternate.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=3179-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
So the set was originally inventoried with 4532a (solid studs) in 2009, and then
someone found the variant with hollow studs in the set in 2012. In such a case
we can be sure that 4532 stands for 4532b (because 4532a was already in the inventory)
and no further proof is needed to replace 4532 with 4532b.
For 71006, someone found 4532a while the set was inventoried with 4532.
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=189449
(You can see in the forum message that 4532 was just called "Container, Cupboard
2 x 3 x 2" at the time.)
It is likely that the inventory submitter had the version with hollow studs in
the set, because otherwise they probably would have used the 4532a entry, but
since 4532 was not called "with hollow studs", this must now be checked
again with an original set (Youtube, Brickshelf, ...) before 4532 can be replaced
with 4532b.
Hope that makes sense?
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Apr 8, 2024 00:31 | | Subject: | Re: Question about Undetermined as alternates | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Turez writes:
| | In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | While I was working on cleaning up part
I came across multiple sets such as where they have the undetermined
as a normal entry and then have a solid/hollow version as an alternate in the
set.
for example set
has
as a regular part with match ID 10
then has
as an alternate with match ID 10
but when watching a new build of the set it has
then there are sets like
where
with match ID 3 in the main section and
with match ID 3 is listed as an alternate.
so I'm a little confused as to how to handle these ones. when alternates
are the main part in the inventory and the a or b is in the alternates or when
a or b is in the main inventory and the undetermined version is listed as an
alternate is this something that happened when the part was separated? I dont
really know what to do with these
Thanks!
-Jason
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Before the determined entry 4532b was added to the catalog, there were only the
determined entry 4532a (called "with solid studs" ) and the entry 4532
which did not specify the version in the name, but was also not called undermined.
Since the images under 4532 showed hollow studs and the only other 4532* entry
in the catalog was 4532a with solid studs, 4532 was often considered the hollow
studs version. So if you have an inventory with 4532a and 4532, it usually means
that both versions were found in the set. However, this should still be checked
before 4532 can be replaced with 4532b.
As a start, always check the change log.
For 3179 you can see that 4532 was added as an alternate.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=3179-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
So the set was originally inventoried with 4532a (solid studs) in 2009, and then
someone found the variant with hollow studs in the set in 2012. In such a case
we can be sure that 4532 stands for 4532b (because 4532a was already in the inventory)
and no further proof is needed to replace 4532 with 4532b.
For 71006, someone found 4532a while the set was inventoried with 4532.
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=189449
(You can see in the forum message that 4532 was just called "Container, Cupboard
2 x 3 x 2" at the time.)
It is likely that the inventory submitter had the version with hollow studs in
the set, because otherwise they probably would have used the 4532a entry, but
since 4532 was not called "with hollow studs", this must now be checked
again with an original set (Youtube, Brickshelf, ...) before 4532 can be replaced
with 4532b.
Hope that makes sense?
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I’m going to see the number “4532” in my dreams 
But I think I get the gist of it, but I’ll read it a few more times in the morning
when I get back to work
Thankyou for clarifying!
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2024 07:57 | | Subject: | Re: Question about Undetermined as alternates | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| It happens when a part isn't split properly. The new variant enters the
catalog and the old one is not marked undetermined and the partner specific piece
isn't created. Often you can figure out what happened specifically to a
set by looking at when it was inventoried and when the variant was added to the
catalog and when the other got named undetermined.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Apr 8, 2024 00:32 | | Subject: | Re: Question about Undetermined as alternates | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | It happens when a part isn't split properly. The new variant enters the
catalog and the old one is not marked undetermined and the partner specific piece
isn't created. Often you can figure out what happened specifically to a
set by looking at when it was inventoried and when the variant was added to the
catalog and when the other got named undetermined.
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Good to know! Thanks!
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