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 Author: NoGravitasHere View Messages Posted By NoGravitasHere
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Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS
 




 Author: WOLKsite View Messages Posted By WOLKsite
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In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS

Yes, 117 and other Glitter colors have the glitter imbeded in the plastic.
In LEGO's database, the Avohkii is 40 Transparent, with the glitter being
a decoration/printing. The "glitter ink" does not have an ID since LEGO's
colors did not cover decoration colors at the time. The color-shifting effect
is really nice though

This part is one reason as to why I feel the assignment of 40 Transparent and
20 Nature is arbitrary.
 Author: NoGravitasHere View Messages Posted By NoGravitasHere
 Posted: Feb 8, 2024 02:54
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In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS

Yes, 117 and other Glitter colors have the glitter imbeded in the plastic.
In LEGO's database, the Avohkii is 40 Transparent, with the glitter being
a decoration/printing. The "glitter ink" does not have an ID since LEGO's
colors did not cover decoration colors at the time. The color-shifting effect
is really nice though

This part is one reason as to why I feel the assignment of 40 Transparent and
20 Nature is arbitrary.

Sweet, good to know it's a confirmed weirdo. Any idea what Lego used as the
medium for that glitter layer? It's pretty resilient to damage/scratching,
I couldn't budge it without chemical assistance.
 Author: WOLKsite View Messages Posted By WOLKsite
 Posted: Feb 8, 2024 03:09
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In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS

Yes, 117 and other Glitter colors have the glitter imbeded in the plastic.
In LEGO's database, the Avohkii is 40 Transparent, with the glitter being
a decoration/printing. The "glitter ink" does not have an ID since LEGO's
colors did not cover decoration colors at the time. The color-shifting effect
is really nice though

This part is one reason as to why I feel the assignment of 40 Transparent and
20 Nature is arbitrary.

Sweet, good to know it's a confirmed weirdo. Any idea what Lego used as the
medium for that glitter layer? It's pretty resilient to damage/scratching,
I couldn't budge it without chemical assistance.

No clue.
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 Posted: Feb 8, 2024 04:49
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In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS

Seems similar to the Iridescent decoration on these parts:

 
Part No: 34697pb01  Name: Mini Doll, Hair Short Bangs and 2 Short Pigtails with Iridescent Coating Pattern
* 
34697pb01 Mini Doll, Hair Short Bangs and 2 Short Pigtails with Iridescent Coating Pattern
Parts: Mini Doll, Hair

 
Gear No: 854084  Name: 2 x 4 Brick - White with Iridescent Coating Key Chain
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854084 2 x 4 Brick - White with Iridescent Coating Key Chain
Gear: Key Chain
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In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS

Looking forward to reading about the effect of the nail polish remover - I tried
that once to remove stains from a minifig, and it dissolved the plastic altogether,
so I stopped using that...
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In Catalog, Akir writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS

Looking forward to reading about the effect of the nail polish remover - I tried
that once to remove stains from a minifig, and it dissolved the plastic altogether,
so I stopped using that...

Acetone eats ABS, which I assume is what minifigs are made of? I'd suggest
IPA as an alternative, but I think it'd melt the prints... Regular ass Lego
isn't really my area tbh, I specialised in this dumb niche area of the hobby
for some godforsaken reason.

Polypropylene, the main softer plastic used for Bionicle crap, is non-reactive
with acetone. The mask has been sitting in there at least a couple of hours now,
and it's not a pile of sludge. I just popped in to check the mask, the glitter
coating is definitely weaker, and scratching off nicely. I might run it through
the ultrasonic cleaner tomorrow when I have time to spare. Can't run a flammable
solution through it without some pretty strict safety measures, including constant
observation.
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In Catalog, Akir writes:
  Looking forward to reading about the effect of the nail polish remover - I tried
that once to remove stains from a minifig, and it dissolved the plastic altogether,
so I stopped using that...

I guess it depends on the concentration of acetone in the nail polish remover
but acetone is a solvent and will dissolve ABS - that is why it can be used as
an adhesive for Lego, in small amounts it will dissolve just enough to fuse the
parts together.
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In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS


I would like to get this mask separated out in the catalog from the plain-color
versions since it is actually patterned and officially a trans-clear part. How
would you describe the pattern? Looks like shiny gold speckles or something?

Thanks,
Randy
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS


I would like to get this mask separated out in the catalog from the plain-color
versions since it is actually patterned and officially a trans-clear part. How
would you describe the pattern? Looks like shiny gold speckles or something?

Thanks,
Randy

Iridescent gold glitter, maybe?
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In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS


I would like to get this mask separated out in the catalog from the plain-color
versions since it is actually patterned and officially a trans-clear part. How
would you describe the pattern? Looks like shiny gold speckles or something?

Thanks,
Randy

Iridescent gold glitter, maybe?

Actually, it's not as color-shifting as I remember it, but it's really
shiny when the light hits it right, where as from other angles it's barely
visible. The glitter is much, much smaller than the typical glitter.
 
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In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS


I would like to get this mask separated out in the catalog from the plain-color
versions since it is actually patterned and officially a trans-clear part. How
would you describe the pattern? Looks like shiny gold speckles or something?

Thanks,
Randy

Iridescent gold glitter, maybe?

Actually, it's not as color-shifting as I remember it, but it's really
shiny when the light hits it right, where as from other angles it's barely
visible. The glitter is much, much smaller than the typical glitter.


Meet the catalog's newest resident:
 
Part No: 44814pb01  Name: Bionicle Mask Avohkii  with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
* 
44814pb01 Bionicle Mask Avohkii with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask

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Part No: 44814pb01  Name: Bionicle Mask Avohkii  with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
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Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask



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Part No: 44814pb01  Name: Bionicle Mask Avohkii  with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
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Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask



Thanks, this is better!
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS


I would like to get this mask separated out in the catalog from the plain-color
versions since it is actually patterned and officially a trans-clear part. How
would you describe the pattern? Looks like shiny gold speckles or something?

Thanks,
Randy

Iridescent gold glitter, maybe?

Actually, it's not as color-shifting as I remember it, but it's really
shiny when the light hits it right, where as from other angles it's barely
visible. The glitter is much, much smaller than the typical glitter.


Meet the catalog's newest resident:
 
Part No: 44814pb01  Name: Bionicle Mask Avohkii  with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
* 
44814pb01 Bionicle Mask Avohkii with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask



How are we looking at getting the 2 different 4-Hole Kraahkan recognised?
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In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS


I would like to get this mask separated out in the catalog from the plain-color
versions since it is actually patterned and officially a trans-clear part. How
would you describe the pattern? Looks like shiny gold speckles or something?

Thanks,
Randy

Iridescent gold glitter, maybe?

Actually, it's not as color-shifting as I remember it, but it's really
shiny when the light hits it right, where as from other angles it's barely
visible. The glitter is much, much smaller than the typical glitter.


Meet the catalog's newest resident:
 
Part No: 44814pb01  Name: Bionicle Mask Avohkii  with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
* 
44814pb01 Bionicle Mask Avohkii with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask



How are we looking at getting the 2 different 4-Hole Kraahkan recognised?


Point me directly to the information, and I will look into it.
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 Posted: Feb 8, 2024 23:03
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS


I would like to get this mask separated out in the catalog from the plain-color
versions since it is actually patterned and officially a trans-clear part. How
would you describe the pattern? Looks like shiny gold speckles or something?

Thanks,
Randy

Iridescent gold glitter, maybe?

Actually, it's not as color-shifting as I remember it, but it's really
shiny when the light hits it right, where as from other angles it's barely
visible. The glitter is much, much smaller than the typical glitter.


Meet the catalog's newest resident:
 
Part No: 44814pb01  Name: Bionicle Mask Avohkii  with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
* 
44814pb01 Bionicle Mask Avohkii with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask



How are we looking at getting the 2 different 4-Hole Kraahkan recognised?


Point me directly to the information, and I will look into it.

Sure, I'll dump it here. Image here shows the 8 production Kraahkan, with
their BrickLink labels. Top to bottom (and left to right):

- 6-Hole (Pearl Black)
- 5-Hole (Pearl Black)
- 4-Hole (Pearl Gold, Flat Dark Gold, Pearl Black, Black)
- Movie Edition (Black)
- Dume Mask of Power (Black)

See how the Black Kraahkan sticks out like a sore thumb? It's much darker
than the Pearl Black version in the centre of the cross. It's the same situation
as the Rahaga/Rahkshi heads existing in 2 different blacks/whites. The catalogue
does currently distinguish between Pearl Black and Black, which is good! That
was the hard bit lol.

I was confused at the high number of 38593 Makuta (Teridax) I had seen with 4-Holes,
in person or online. Many of these appeared to be owned from NIB, or at least
not built from spare parts/BrickLink orders. I spoke with a number of collectors,
and was able to confirm that some copies of Teridax (solo and combiner versions).


In 2003, the 6-Hole mould (#44815a) was introduced with #8593 Makuta (Teridax).
The 6-Hole was produced exclusively in Pearl Black. Partway through production,
mould cavity(?) 4-01 broke/damaged/whatever, and produced the 5-Hole mismould.
This also exists only in Pearl Black. These 2 masks give us a baseline/control
group to work with.

4-01's damage was noticed during Teridax's production, and to correct
the issue all Kraahkan moulds were modified to no longer clear the top 2 holes,
giving us the 4-Hole a full 2 years earlier than is currently recognised. A large
number of these 'Teridax' 4-Holes were produced, which explains why so
many Teridax pop up with 4-Holes. This 4-Hole was produced in Pearl Black.

In 2005, the 4-Hole mould was used again for the gold Kraahkan in #8758 Tower
of Toa. This is currently believed to be the first usage of the mould.

in 2008, the mould was resurrected for #8593 Makuta Icarax. This mask was produced
in Black, which is recognised by the catalogue currently. Icarax's version
lacks the subtle metallic sheen of the original releases, and appears as a darker,
more saturated black on comparison.

How's that? Need more pics?
 
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In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS


I would like to get this mask separated out in the catalog from the plain-color
versions since it is actually patterned and officially a trans-clear part. How
would you describe the pattern? Looks like shiny gold speckles or something?

Thanks,
Randy

Iridescent gold glitter, maybe?

Actually, it's not as color-shifting as I remember it, but it's really
shiny when the light hits it right, where as from other angles it's barely
visible. The glitter is much, much smaller than the typical glitter.


Meet the catalog's newest resident:
 
Part No: 44814pb01  Name: Bionicle Mask Avohkii  with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
* 
44814pb01 Bionicle Mask Avohkii with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask



How are we looking at getting the 2 different 4-Hole Kraahkan recognised?


Point me directly to the information, and I will look into it.

Sure, I'll dump it here. Image here shows the 8 production Kraahkan, with
their BrickLink labels. Top to bottom (and left to right):

- 6-Hole (Pearl Black)
- 5-Hole (Pearl Black)
- 4-Hole (Pearl Gold, Flat Dark Gold, Pearl Black, Black)
- Movie Edition (Black)
- Dume Mask of Power (Black)

See how the Black Kraahkan sticks out like a sore thumb? It's much darker
than the Pearl Black version in the centre of the cross. It's the same situation
as the Rahaga/Rahkshi heads existing in 2 different blacks/whites. The catalogue
does currently distinguish between Pearl Black and Black, which is good! That
was the hard bit lol.

I was confused at the high number of 38593 Makuta (Teridax) I had seen with 4-Holes,
in person or online. Many of these appeared to be owned from NIB, or at least
not built from spare parts/BrickLink orders. I spoke with a number of collectors,
and was able to confirm that some copies of Teridax (solo and combiner versions).


In 2003, the 6-Hole mould (#44815a) was introduced with #8593 Makuta (Teridax).
The 6-Hole was produced exclusively in Pearl Black. Partway through production,
mould cavity(?) 4-01 broke/damaged/whatever, and produced the 5-Hole mismould.
This also exists only in Pearl Black. These 2 masks give us a baseline/control
group to work with.

4-01's damage was noticed during Teridax's production, and to correct
the issue all Kraahkan moulds were modified to no longer clear the top 2 holes,
giving us the 4-Hole a full 2 years earlier than is currently recognised. A large
number of these 'Teridax' 4-Holes were produced, which explains why so
many Teridax pop up with 4-Holes. This 4-Hole was produced in Pearl Black.

In 2005, the 4-Hole mould was used again for the gold Kraahkan in #8758 Tower
of Toa. This is currently believed to be the first usage of the mould.

in 2008, the mould was resurrected for #8593 Makuta Icarax. This mask was produced
in Black, which is recognised by the catalogue currently. Icarax's version
lacks the subtle metallic sheen of the original releases, and appears as a darker,
more saturated black on comparison.

How's that? Need more pics?

There is a change request: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1450887

It would be nice to have the 5-hole Kraahkan as well in the catalogue, do we
have any pictures of it on its own?

The inventory of 8593 used to contain the 4-hole version as an alternate, but
during the move to Pearl Black, it wasn't changed. I tried to have it updated
to Pearl Black but instead it was removed:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1353620
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In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS


I would like to get this mask separated out in the catalog from the plain-color
versions since it is actually patterned and officially a trans-clear part. How
would you describe the pattern? Looks like shiny gold speckles or something?

Thanks,
Randy

Iridescent gold glitter, maybe?

Actually, it's not as color-shifting as I remember it, but it's really
shiny when the light hits it right, where as from other angles it's barely
visible. The glitter is much, much smaller than the typical glitter.


Meet the catalog's newest resident:
 
Part No: 44814pb01  Name: Bionicle Mask Avohkii  with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
* 
44814pb01 Bionicle Mask Avohkii with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask



How are we looking at getting the 2 different 4-Hole Kraahkan recognised?


Point me directly to the information, and I will look into it.

Sure, I'll dump it here. Image here shows the 8 production Kraahkan, with
their BrickLink labels. Top to bottom (and left to right):

- 6-Hole (Pearl Black)
- 5-Hole (Pearl Black)
- 4-Hole (Pearl Gold, Flat Dark Gold, Pearl Black, Black)
- Movie Edition (Black)
- Dume Mask of Power (Black)

See how the Black Kraahkan sticks out like a sore thumb? It's much darker
than the Pearl Black version in the centre of the cross. It's the same situation
as the Rahaga/Rahkshi heads existing in 2 different blacks/whites. The catalogue
does currently distinguish between Pearl Black and Black, which is good! That
was the hard bit lol.

I was confused at the high number of 38593 Makuta (Teridax) I had seen with 4-Holes,
in person or online. Many of these appeared to be owned from NIB, or at least
not built from spare parts/BrickLink orders. I spoke with a number of collectors,
and was able to confirm that some copies of Teridax (solo and combiner versions).


In 2003, the 6-Hole mould (#44815a) was introduced with #8593 Makuta (Teridax).
The 6-Hole was produced exclusively in Pearl Black. Partway through production,
mould cavity(?) 4-01 broke/damaged/whatever, and produced the 5-Hole mismould.
This also exists only in Pearl Black. These 2 masks give us a baseline/control
group to work with.

4-01's damage was noticed during Teridax's production, and to correct
the issue all Kraahkan moulds were modified to no longer clear the top 2 holes,
giving us the 4-Hole a full 2 years earlier than is currently recognised. A large
number of these 'Teridax' 4-Holes were produced, which explains why so
many Teridax pop up with 4-Holes. This 4-Hole was produced in Pearl Black.

In 2005, the 4-Hole mould was used again for the gold Kraahkan in #8758 Tower
of Toa. This is currently believed to be the first usage of the mould.

in 2008, the mould was resurrected for #8593 Makuta Icarax. This mask was produced
in Black, which is recognised by the catalogue currently. Icarax's version
lacks the subtle metallic sheen of the original releases, and appears as a darker,
more saturated black on comparison.

How's that? Need more pics?


Perfect!

After reviewing all of the information and the change log for set 8593, it is
clear that the information was known for a very long time. However, Pearl Black
was not a recognized color back then which caused things to get messed up over
the following years.

Therefore, I have accepted this pending Inventory Change Request:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1450887

The inventory for 8593 should now look like how it is supposed to.

What the site really needs now is an image of the Pearl Black 4-Hole. Care to
fill that gap?

Cheers,
Randy
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS


I would like to get this mask separated out in the catalog from the plain-color
versions since it is actually patterned and officially a trans-clear part. How
would you describe the pattern? Looks like shiny gold speckles or something?

Thanks,
Randy

Iridescent gold glitter, maybe?

Actually, it's not as color-shifting as I remember it, but it's really
shiny when the light hits it right, where as from other angles it's barely
visible. The glitter is much, much smaller than the typical glitter.


Meet the catalog's newest resident:
 
Part No: 44814pb01  Name: Bionicle Mask Avohkii  with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
* 
44814pb01 Bionicle Mask Avohkii with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask



How are we looking at getting the 2 different 4-Hole Kraahkan recognised?


Point me directly to the information, and I will look into it.

Sure, I'll dump it here. Image here shows the 8 production Kraahkan, with
their BrickLink labels. Top to bottom (and left to right):

- 6-Hole (Pearl Black)
- 5-Hole (Pearl Black)
- 4-Hole (Pearl Gold, Flat Dark Gold, Pearl Black, Black)
- Movie Edition (Black)
- Dume Mask of Power (Black)

See how the Black Kraahkan sticks out like a sore thumb? It's much darker
than the Pearl Black version in the centre of the cross. It's the same situation
as the Rahaga/Rahkshi heads existing in 2 different blacks/whites. The catalogue
does currently distinguish between Pearl Black and Black, which is good! That
was the hard bit lol.

I was confused at the high number of 38593 Makuta (Teridax) I had seen with 4-Holes,
in person or online. Many of these appeared to be owned from NIB, or at least
not built from spare parts/BrickLink orders. I spoke with a number of collectors,
and was able to confirm that some copies of Teridax (solo and combiner versions).


In 2003, the 6-Hole mould (#44815a) was introduced with #8593 Makuta (Teridax).
The 6-Hole was produced exclusively in Pearl Black. Partway through production,
mould cavity(?) 4-01 broke/damaged/whatever, and produced the 5-Hole mismould.
This also exists only in Pearl Black. These 2 masks give us a baseline/control
group to work with.

4-01's damage was noticed during Teridax's production, and to correct
the issue all Kraahkan moulds were modified to no longer clear the top 2 holes,
giving us the 4-Hole a full 2 years earlier than is currently recognised. A large
number of these 'Teridax' 4-Holes were produced, which explains why so
many Teridax pop up with 4-Holes. This 4-Hole was produced in Pearl Black.

In 2005, the 4-Hole mould was used again for the gold Kraahkan in #8758 Tower
of Toa. This is currently believed to be the first usage of the mould.

in 2008, the mould was resurrected for #8593 Makuta Icarax. This mask was produced
in Black, which is recognised by the catalogue currently. Icarax's version
lacks the subtle metallic sheen of the original releases, and appears as a darker,
more saturated black on comparison.

How's that? Need more pics?


Perfect!

After reviewing all of the information and the change log for set 8593, it is
clear that the information was known for a very long time. However, Pearl Black
was not a recognized color back then which caused things to get messed up over
the following years.

Therefore, I have accepted this pending Inventory Change Request:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1450887

The inventory for 8593 should now look like how it is supposed to.

What the site really needs now is an image of the Pearl Black 4-Hole. Care to
fill that gap?

Cheers,
Randy

Oh duh, of course the wiped masks wouldn't get listings, they're modified.
Silly me.

Here's a pic of our PB 4-Hole. Let me know if you need a higher quality version,
I can email it through.

Totally unrelated, would it be worth mentioning in the Colour Guide additional
silver notes that 131 was reformulated? That's where I got tripped up as
far as classifications go. I know we won't get 131 v1 and v2 as separate
colours, but a line mentioning the change would make things a bit less muddy.
Every person I asked while I was trying to suss this interpreted the 2006 paragraph
the same as I did. Other colour notes have mentions of reformulation/variants,
so I don't think it'd be out of place.

I've been trying to clear this Kraahkan up for so long, this is huge. Thank
you so much, Randy. You're the man(dy)
 
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  Here's a pic of our PB 4-Hole. Let me know if you need a higher quality version,
I can email it through.


The image has been added. Thank you!


  Totally unrelated, would it be worth mentioning in the Colour Guide additional
silver notes that 131 was reformulated? That's where I got tripped up as
far as classifications go. I know we won't get 131 v1 and v2 as separate
colours, but a line mentioning the change would make things a bit less muddy.
Every person I asked while I was trying to suss this interpreted the 2006 paragraph
the same as I did. Other colour notes have mentions of reformulation/variants,
so I don't think it'd be out of place.


I have updated the 2006 section with a simple edit.


  I've been trying to clear this Kraahkan up for so long, this is huge. Thank
you so much, Randy. You're the man(dy)


Happy to help.
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:

  Here's a pic of our PB 4-Hole. Let me know if you need a higher quality version,
I can email it through.


The image has been added. Thank you!


  Totally unrelated, would it be worth mentioning in the Colour Guide additional
silver notes that 131 was reformulated? That's where I got tripped up as
far as classifications go. I know we won't get 131 v1 and v2 as separate
colours, but a line mentioning the change would make things a bit less muddy.
Every person I asked while I was trying to suss this interpreted the 2006 paragraph
the same as I did. Other colour notes have mentions of reformulation/variants,
so I don't think it'd be out of place.


I have updated the 2006 section with a simple edit.


  I've been trying to clear this Kraahkan up for so long, this is huge. Thank
you so much, Randy. You're the man(dy)


Happy to help.

Might be worth noting that the reformulation AND the original were both in play
during 2006. As written, it reads as 'there were no 131 v1 parts used in
2006.'

Proposed edit:

2006: The LEGO Group brings back 131 Silver, and a lighter reformulated version,
for use simultaneously with 296 Cool Silver. 296 Cool Silver is phased out, and
not used past 2006. The reformulated 131 Silver is the main silver used after
2006. Flat Silver and Pearl Light Gray are still assigned to parts arbitrarily
based on appearance. There are still two LEGO silver colors mapped to Pearl Light
Gray (131 Silver and 296 Cool Silver) and one mapped to Flat Silver (131 Silver).
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In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:

  Here's a pic of our PB 4-Hole. Let me know if you need a higher quality version,
I can email it through.


The image has been added. Thank you!


  Totally unrelated, would it be worth mentioning in the Colour Guide additional
silver notes that 131 was reformulated? That's where I got tripped up as
far as classifications go. I know we won't get 131 v1 and v2 as separate
colours, but a line mentioning the change would make things a bit less muddy.
Every person I asked while I was trying to suss this interpreted the 2006 paragraph
the same as I did. Other colour notes have mentions of reformulation/variants,
so I don't think it'd be out of place.


I have updated the 2006 section with a simple edit.


  I've been trying to clear this Kraahkan up for so long, this is huge. Thank
you so much, Randy. You're the man(dy)


Happy to help.

Might be worth noting that the reformulation AND the original were both in play
during 2006. As written, it reads as 'there were no 131 v1 parts used in
2006.'

Proposed edit:

2006: The LEGO Group brings back 131 Silver, and a lighter reformulated version,
for use simultaneously with 296 Cool Silver. 296 Cool Silver is phased out, and
not used past 2006. The reformulated 131 Silver is the main silver used after
2006. Flat Silver and Pearl Light Gray are still assigned to parts arbitrarily
based on appearance. There are still two LEGO silver colors mapped to Pearl Light
Gray (131 Silver and 296 Cool Silver) and one mapped to Flat Silver (131 Silver).


These color notes are not meant to be an exhaustive lesson in how LEGO handled
the colors. These color notes are meant to describe how the colors were handled
and mapped within the BrickLink database over its history. I don't want to
muddle up the BrickLink history too much with the LEGO history. That information
is better left for other places.
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:

  Here's a pic of our PB 4-Hole. Let me know if you need a higher quality version,
I can email it through.


The image has been added. Thank you!


  Totally unrelated, would it be worth mentioning in the Colour Guide additional
silver notes that 131 was reformulated? That's where I got tripped up as
far as classifications go. I know we won't get 131 v1 and v2 as separate
colours, but a line mentioning the change would make things a bit less muddy.
Every person I asked while I was trying to suss this interpreted the 2006 paragraph
the same as I did. Other colour notes have mentions of reformulation/variants,
so I don't think it'd be out of place.


I have updated the 2006 section with a simple edit.


  I've been trying to clear this Kraahkan up for so long, this is huge. Thank
you so much, Randy. You're the man(dy)


Happy to help.

Might be worth noting that the reformulation AND the original were both in play
during 2006. As written, it reads as 'there were no 131 v1 parts used in
2006.'

Proposed edit:

2006: The LEGO Group brings back 131 Silver, and a lighter reformulated version,
for use simultaneously with 296 Cool Silver. 296 Cool Silver is phased out, and
not used past 2006. The reformulated 131 Silver is the main silver used after
2006. Flat Silver and Pearl Light Gray are still assigned to parts arbitrarily
based on appearance. There are still two LEGO silver colors mapped to Pearl Light
Gray (131 Silver and 296 Cool Silver) and one mapped to Flat Silver (131 Silver).


These color notes are not meant to be an exhaustive lesson in how LEGO handled
the colors. These color notes are meant to describe how the colors were handled
and mapped within the BrickLink database over its history. I don't want to
muddle up the BrickLink history too much with the LEGO history. That information
is better left for other places.

Fair enough! It'd open the door to a lot of whataboutisms.

I still can't get this glitter layer to come off nicely. Even the ultrasonic
with acetone-based nail polish remover is having trouble shifting it. It was
happy melting some of my tools though... I'm stumped.
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  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS


I would like to get this mask separated out in the catalog from the plain-color
versions since it is actually patterned and officially a trans-clear part. How
would you describe the pattern? Looks like shiny gold speckles or something?

Thanks,
Randy

Iridescent gold glitter, maybe?

Actually, it's not as color-shifting as I remember it, but it's really
shiny when the light hits it right, where as from other angles it's barely
visible. The glitter is much, much smaller than the typical glitter.


Meet the catalog's newest resident:
 
Part No: 44814pb01  Name: Bionicle Mask Avohkii  with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
* 
44814pb01 Bionicle Mask Avohkii with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask



Is it worth adding the Light Grey Hau to the catalogue too? Given that it's
also a mask + coating, similar to the Avohkii?
 
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In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS


I would like to get this mask separated out in the catalog from the plain-color
versions since it is actually patterned and officially a trans-clear part. How
would you describe the pattern? Looks like shiny gold speckles or something?

Thanks,
Randy

Iridescent gold glitter, maybe?

Actually, it's not as color-shifting as I remember it, but it's really
shiny when the light hits it right, where as from other angles it's barely
visible. The glitter is much, much smaller than the typical glitter.


Meet the catalog's newest resident:
 
Part No: 44814pb01  Name: Bionicle Mask Avohkii  with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
* 
44814pb01 Bionicle Mask Avohkii with Gold Glitter Coating Pattern
Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask



Yay!

  Is it worth adding the Light Grey Hau to the catalogue too? Given that it's
also a mask + coating, similar to the Avohkii?

The Chrome Hau is handled consistent with other Chrome parts in the catalogue.
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  Is it worth adding the Light Grey Hau to the catalogue too? Given that it's
also a mask + coating, similar to the Avohkii?


Since it is technically a "wiped" piece, unfortunately no. We know it
exists though because of its element number (4161805).

Cheers,
Randy
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  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:

  Is it worth adding the Light Grey Hau to the catalogue too? Given that it's
also a mask + coating, similar to the Avohkii?


Since it is technically a "wiped" piece, unfortunately no. We know it
exists though because of its element number (4161805).

Cheers,
Randy

Can't the image be accepted and stay just here:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?itemType=P&itemNo=32505&v=2

 
Part No: 32505  Name: Bionicle Mask Hau
* 
32505 Bionicle Mask Hau
Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask {Light Gray}

There are many unprinted parts in the catalog that are not linked to any set,
aka don't appear in known colors, but the photos stay as they exists.
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  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:

  Is it worth adding the Light Grey Hau to the catalogue too? Given that it's
also a mask + coating, similar to the Avohkii?


Since it is technically a "wiped" piece, unfortunately no. We know it
exists though because of its element number (4161805).

Cheers,
Randy

Can't the image be accepted and stay just here:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?itemType=P&itemNo=32505&v=2

 
Part No: 32505  Name: Bionicle Mask Hau
* 
32505 Bionicle Mask Hau
Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask {Light Gray}

There are many unprinted parts in the catalog that are not linked to any set,
aka don't appear in known colors, but the photos stay as they exists.


This part has never shown up as plain light gray and is only known to exist as
the base for the chrome version of the mask. That doesn't mean that a true
unaltered light gray version does not exist out there, but having received no
image of one to BrickLink over 24 years is telling. Also, we know that this one
was "wiped", so I would never accept the image.

Cheers,
Randy
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  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:

  Is it worth adding the Light Grey Hau to the catalogue too? Given that it's
also a mask + coating, similar to the Avohkii?


Since it is technically a "wiped" piece, unfortunately no. We know it
exists though because of its element number (4161805).

Cheers,
Randy

Can't the image be accepted and stay just here:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?itemType=P&itemNo=32505&v=2

 
Part No: 32505  Name: Bionicle Mask Hau
* 
32505 Bionicle Mask Hau
Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask {Light Gray}

There are many unprinted parts in the catalog that are not linked to any set,
aka don't appear in known colors, but the photos stay as they exists.


This part has never shown up as plain light gray and is only known to exist as
the base for the chrome version of the mask. That doesn't mean that a true
unaltered light gray version does not exist out there, but having received no
image of one to BrickLink over 24 years is telling. Also, we know that this one
was "wiped", so I would never accept the image.

Cheers,
Randy

You never know when one could show Some non-production BIONICLE parts such
as the Violet Huna and Sand Green Rau surfaced only a year ago.
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  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:

  Is it worth adding the Light Grey Hau to the catalogue too? Given that it's
also a mask + coating, similar to the Avohkii?


Since it is technically a "wiped" piece, unfortunately no. We know it
exists though because of its element number (4161805).

Cheers,
Randy

Oh, the 'Years Released' on the 4-Hole entry is still showing the old
range. It should be 2003-2008. Thanks again chief
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  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:

  Is it worth adding the Light Grey Hau to the catalogue too? Given that it's
also a mask + coating, similar to the Avohkii?


Since it is technically a "wiped" piece, unfortunately no. We know it
exists though because of its element number (4161805).

Cheers,
Randy

Oh, the 'Years Released' on the 4-Hole entry is still showing the old
range. It should be 2003-2008. Thanks again chief

I think that is automatic? Perhaps it doesn't account for alternates, which
makes sense since they usually wouldn't be occuring within the same year
as the original release... Although the color guide's years don't work
that way.
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In Catalog, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:

  Is it worth adding the Light Grey Hau to the catalogue too? Given that it's
also a mask + coating, similar to the Avohkii?


Since it is technically a "wiped" piece, unfortunately no. We know it
exists though because of its element number (4161805).

Cheers,
Randy

Oh, the 'Years Released' on the 4-Hole entry is still showing the old
range. It should be 2003-2008. Thanks again chief

I think that is automatic? Perhaps it doesn't account for alternates, which
makes sense since they usually wouldn't be occuring within the same year
as the original release... Although the color guide's years don't work
that way.

There's a few Bionicle sets where alternates exist concurrently, aren't
there? The Flat Dark/Pearl Golds in 2005 stick out.
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  I think that is automatic? Perhaps it doesn't account for alternates, which
makes sense since they usually wouldn't be occuring within the same year
as the original release... Although the color guide's years don't work
that way.

It's automatic depending on the set inventories in which the part is found.
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In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:

  Is it worth adding the Light Grey Hau to the catalogue too? Given that it's
also a mask + coating, similar to the Avohkii?


Since it is technically a "wiped" piece, unfortunately no. We know it
exists though because of its element number (4161805).

Cheers,
Randy

Oh, the 'Years Released' on the 4-Hole entry is still showing the old
range. It should be 2003-2008. Thanks again chief


It will be updated automatically after the site maintenance runs tonight.
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I think I have one of those floating around somewhere, I'll have to look
into it.

It sounds like LEGO used a drum lacquered process to coat those. Similar to the
Metallic gold and silver.

Glad I ran across this. Interesting stuff.
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.
It reminded me of a damaged one I had in my sad bin, which had a chunk of its
crest missing its trademark shininess. I had to mess with a bunch of other stripping
chemicals anyway (bonus pic of my shiny new dechromed Light Grey Hau) so I figured
I'd chuck this in some chems and see what happened.

Evapo-Rust was unreactive, unsurprisingly. I only used that because I knew it
could strip galvanisation off screws and I had the ex-chrome Hau to test (also
no reaction). Simple Green concentrate was similarly unreactive, but stripped
the Hau perfectly when used with the ultrasonic cleaner. I did manage to get
a positive reaction with IPA, and was able to get the glitter layer to go tacky.
I scraped off the majority of the central crest with my thumbnail as a proof
of concept sorta thing. I can confirm that it's just a layer over top. There's
a milky white transparent mask underneath. I feel cheated.

I've currently got it sitting overnight in a bath of acetone-based nail polish
remover (hardware store was closed, supermarket was not lmao) and will strip
the glitter 'varnish' off entirely. I'd love to know exactly what
this glitter layer is made of, if anyone has any insight? It might make removing
it a little easier.

The next question here is: what colour actually is this? I was under the impression
117 Glitter Trans-Clear was plastic with embedded glitter, not just a coating.
Would this just be 40 Trans-Clear + shiny varnish?

Cheers
James @ PSPS


I would like to get this mask separated out in the catalog from the plain-color
versions since it is actually patterned and officially a trans-clear part. How
would you describe the pattern? Looks like shiny gold speckles or something?

Thanks,
Randy

G'day boss, I still feel like a dickhead. Sorry again!

It's a clear varnish/lacquer with embedded gold glitter particles. The clear
medium they're suspended in is saturated with glitter, with no gaps or
obvious transparent bits like the more classic 117 etc. I'm not surprised
it snuck by this long, that layer is a bastard to remove, and it really does
look like the glitter is embedded.

Worth noting: The reverse side of the mask is not coated. I need to check the
tips of the crest to see if they are.
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The obvious answer is that it’s fairy dust!

Disappointed no one said it before
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  The obvious answer is that it’s fairy dust!

Disappointed no one said it before

We wanted to save it for you but we new you had to finish your gummies first
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In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  The obvious answer is that it’s fairy dust!

Disappointed no one said it before

We wanted to save it for you but we new you had to finish your gummies first


Was going to say “Mmmh, fairy dust gummies” but that may be misunderstood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2sz_YwwwQ4
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  The obvious answer is that it’s fairy dust!

Disappointed no one said it before

We wanted to save it for you but we new you had to finish your gummies first


Was going to say “Mmmh, fairy dust gummies” but that may be misunderstood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2sz_YwwwQ4

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In Catalog, NoGravitasHere writes:
  Had this first image cross my path today, a supposedly non-glittery Avohkii.

Bionicle? I thought this was a LEGO Forum!