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| | | Author: | Shintaku  | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 05:20 | | Subject: | People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 421 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Hello,
AGAIN I received the customs for an order from EU to extra-EU for which I already
paid taxes in advance.
AGAIN I will have to start a fight with the seller who will try any way to avoid
refunding me, as it happened before.
AGAIN the seller attached the BL invoice that seems to be USELESS right now.
Now, let's face it, it was easier back then. You don't pay taxes in advance,
you pay them when you receive your goods and it's all.
What will happen? Either of:
1) People from outside EU will stop selling to EU sellers, losing a lot of money.
2) If the order is small, people will contact the seller, ask if they can buy
those 3 4 items and do it OUTSIDE bricklink. So they don't pay taxes, they
don't pay 3% of BL fees, and everyone is happy.
Has BL to collect taxes due to some laws? That is fine. I can cope with that.
But this doesn't mean any way that a buyer must pay two times taxes. This
is a theft. I'm not
exaggerating. It's purely a theft. I am asked to pay something that I already
paid for!
And... btw if BL is forced to do this, why isn't that happening with eBay
purchases? With eBay, everything is going well as usual. Shouldn't eBay be
forced to follow the same rules?
Sorry... but something is wrong here.
I see no solutions, and this is going to be very very bad for Bricklink.
It's somewhat downfall... and I was really afraid to witness it sooner or
later.
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| | | | | Author: | Dino | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 06:07 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 132 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Shintaku writes:
| | Hello,
AGAIN I received the customs for an order from EU to extra-EU for which I already
paid taxes in advance.
AGAIN I will have to start a fight with the seller who will try any way to avoid
refunding me, as it happened before.
AGAIN the seller attached the BL invoice that seems to be USELESS right now.
Now, let's face it, it was easier back then. You don't pay taxes in advance,
you pay them when you receive your goods and it's all.
What will happen? Either of:
1) People from outside EU will stop selling to EU sellers, losing a lot of money.
2) If the order is small, people will contact the seller, ask if they can buy
those 3 4 items and do it OUTSIDE bricklink. So they don't pay taxes, they
don't pay 3% of BL fees, and everyone is happy.
Has BL to collect taxes due to some laws? That is fine. I can cope with that.
But this doesn't mean any way that a buyer must pay two times taxes. This
is a theft. I'm not
exaggerating. It's purely a theft. I am asked to pay something that I already
paid for!
And... btw if BL is forced to do this, why isn't that happening with eBay
purchases? With eBay, everything is going well as usual. Shouldn't eBay be
forced to follow the same rules?
Sorry... but something is wrong here.
I see no solutions, and this is going to be very very bad for Bricklink.
It's somewhat downfall... and I was really afraid to witness it sooner or
later.
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This rarely happens on Ebay because Ebay handles everything through their own
shipping service.
If it does happen, all you have to do is send in the payment receipt to Ebay.
The tax that Ebay has collected will then be refunded. This is a little less
than you pay directly to customs (customs charges tax on the tax again), but
it works smoothly. The only thing that is not refunded is the handling fee.
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| | | | | Author: | bricksinbins | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 08:30 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 114 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Shintaku writes:
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AGAIN I will have to start a fight with the seller who will try any way to avoid
refunding me, as it happened before.
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I'd say it is BrickLink that should refund you. They collect the tax, the
seller doesn't keep it or even receive it. Maybe if Bricklink have to start
giving refunds, they might try to get this sorted out. ha ha yeah right...
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| | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 16:47 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, bricksinbins writes:
| | In Help, Shintaku writes:
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AGAIN I will have to start a fight with the seller who will try any way to avoid
refunding me, as it happened before.
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I'd say it is BrickLink that should refund you. They collect the tax, the
seller doesn't keep it or even receive it. Maybe if Bricklink have to start
giving refunds, they might try to get this sorted out. ha ha yeah right...
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Good luck for that one. In the 20 or so years here, never once I have never
seen BL accepting responsibility or paying for any mistakes that involve money.
I am sure with the complication of bricklink being responsible for payments,
there must have been mistakes made. I ship many many orders out of country.
I have never had a problem with that. Shipping, as far as I understand, is
handled by a another company contracted through ebay. I had a $650 shipment
to Australia that totally damaged. With pictures of the damaged items and the
packing they paid the $650 back to me and I sent it to the buyer. While ebay
does not say this, they guarantee that the item will get to the buyer without
damage if packed correctly.
John P
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| | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 10:42 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Shintaku writes:
| | I see no solutions, and this is going to be very very bad for Bricklink.
It's somewhat downfall... and I was really afraid to witness it sooner or
later.
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Does this involve purchases made from USA sellers ? If so, I may have a (theoretical)
solution.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 11:18 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| That's why I stopped selling and buying outside the EU. Fed up with the doubling
of tax costs and even more done with explaining postal workers.....
Shame
Shame
Shame
Trade policies, hidden behind tax legislations.....
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| | | | | Author: | PaulOfBricks | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 12:26 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Ive had this happen 2 or 3 times out of the 5 or 6 packages I have sent.
NOTES for seller Bricklink wont refund your VAT,
I think if the buyer provides their tax office with proof VAT is paid they should
get a refund. but dont know if anyone has had success with this.
For UK Sellers I have found:
Bricklink is not in the list of supported business recognised in the scheme,
if you go into the post office it wont work. and your buyer will be charged again.
Only eBay, etsy and Amazon I think you can do over the counter. I don't know
why the process is hardly any different.
you have to use Click and drop online and do the label manually yourself. to
enter all the correct information. for bricklink under other.
Im getting bloody pissed off myself with this and nearly closed to EU buyers
it is frustrating me so much, its tax fraud by the tax authorities themselves
they are loving it!
its not a conspiracy and its true you can look it up, but its 'their'
plan, and its want 'they' want. Im sure this is all part of Agenda 2030
or 2050, look it up. The powers at be want to reduce shipping, air travel and
freight etc to 0 by 2050. making travel more restrictive by implementing vax
passports, and making buying and selling goods more expensive and difficult is
one way to achieve that
In Help, Shintaku writes:
| | Hello,
AGAIN I received the customs for an order from EU to extra-EU for which I already
paid taxes in advance.
AGAIN I will have to start a fight with the seller who will try any way to avoid
refunding me, as it happened before.
AGAIN the seller attached the BL invoice that seems to be USELESS right now.
Now, let's face it, it was easier back then. You don't pay taxes in advance,
you pay them when you receive your goods and it's all.
What will happen? Either of:
1) People from outside EU will stop selling to EU sellers, losing a lot of money.
2) If the order is small, people will contact the seller, ask if they can buy
those 3 4 items and do it OUTSIDE bricklink. So they don't pay taxes, they
don't pay 3% of BL fees, and everyone is happy.
Has BL to collect taxes due to some laws? That is fine. I can cope with that.
But this doesn't mean any way that a buyer must pay two times taxes. This
is a theft. I'm not
exaggerating. It's purely a theft. I am asked to pay something that I already
paid for!
And... btw if BL is forced to do this, why isn't that happening with eBay
purchases? With eBay, everything is going well as usual. Shouldn't eBay be
forced to follow the same rules?
Sorry... but something is wrong here.
I see no solutions, and this is going to be very very bad for Bricklink.
It's somewhat downfall... and I was really afraid to witness it sooner or
later.
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| | | | | Author: | leggodtshop | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 12:42 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Shintaku writes:
| | Hello,
AGAIN I received the customs for an order from EU to extra-EU for which I already
paid taxes in advance.
AGAIN I will have to start a fight with the seller who will try any way to avoid
refunding me, as it happened before.
AGAIN the seller attached the BL invoice that seems to be USELESS right now.
Now, let's face it, it was easier back then. You don't pay taxes in advance,
you pay them when you receive your goods and it's all.
What will happen? Either of:
1) People from outside EU will stop selling to EU sellers, losing a lot of money.
2) If the order is small, people will contact the seller, ask if they can buy
those 3 4 items and do it OUTSIDE bricklink. So they don't pay taxes, they
don't pay 3% of BL fees, and everyone is happy.
Has BL to collect taxes due to some laws? That is fine. I can cope with that.
But this doesn't mean any way that a buyer must pay two times taxes. This
is a theft. I'm not
exaggerating. It's purely a theft. I am asked to pay something that I already
paid for!
And... btw if BL is forced to do this, why isn't that happening with eBay
purchases? With eBay, everything is going well as usual. Shouldn't eBay be
forced to follow the same rules?
Sorry... but something is wrong here.
I see no solutions, and this is going to be very very bad for Bricklink.
It's somewhat downfall... and I was really afraid to witness it sooner or
later.
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This happens because BL is not implementing it full service. They just do what
the must do only nothing more. However if BL is doing things as ebay they will
become the seller and you are no longer the seller, just a provider of goods.
Do you want that?
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| | | | | | | Author: | Shintaku | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 12:50 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | This happens because BL is not implementing it full service. They just do what
the must do only nothing more. However if BL is doing things as ebay they will
become the seller and you are no longer the seller, just a provider of goods.
Do you want that?
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I want it like before this.
Plain and simple.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 12:57 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Shintaku writes:
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I want it like before this.
Plain and simple.
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It’s the law now, voted and applied by all the EU countries.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Shintaku | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 14:33 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Help, Shintaku writes:
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I want it like before this.
Plain and simple.
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It’s the law now, voted and applied by all the EU countries.
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Actually, the law says that BL has to collect taxes, not that we have to pay
taxes in advance each time. Because if that was, then the customs should not
exist.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 14:38 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | Actually, the law says that BL has to collect taxes, not that we have to pay
taxes in advance each time.
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Uh? And how would they be sure you'd pay the taxes that they'll HAVE
to pay.
If you're so unlucky right now, simply order only in Europe for a couple
of months?
Keep it simple easy!
Sylvain
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 14:51 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Shintaku writes:
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| | It’s the law now, voted and applied by all the EU countries.
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Actually, the law says that BL has to collect taxes, not that we have to pay
taxes in advance each time. Because if that was, then the customs should not
exist.
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The law says that BL has to collect the taxes at the moment the order is paid,
not at reception.
And if BL were to collect at reception, I’d be very interested to know how that
could work….
Also, Customs exist because:
0. they were here before,
1. the purpose of Customs is not only to collect taxes, they also check compliance
to other laws,
2. even if Custioms only existed to collect taxes, Customs collects VAT and
duties, BL only collects VAT,
3. BL has to collect VAT for orders below €150, not all of them, there’s still
orders on BL that BL doesn’t collect VAT,
4. BL is not the only non-EU seller out ther, even marketplaces are not the only
non-EU sellers, there’s non-EU sellers that are not markeplaces and whose packages
go through Customs for VAT, even when they are below €150.
You can try stopping breathing until things change….
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 14:53 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | You can try stopping breathing until things change….
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Soupalognon y crouton, haaaa !
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 15:32 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Shintaku writes:
| | In Help, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Help, Shintaku writes:
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I want it like before this.
Plain and simple.
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It’s the law now, voted and applied by all the EU countries.
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Actually, the law says that BL has to collect taxes, not that we have to pay
taxes in advance each time. Because if that was, then the customs should not
exist.
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The law says that BL has to collect taxes, based on the destination of the shipment.
It has already been noted, that some freight forwarders in Florida are getting
tagged with zero-percent sales tax (because of the new state policies). Shipments
thru them (or any Delaware or Oregon forwarder) would only encounter a single
VAT, the one when the package arrives.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 13:28 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 103 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Buongiorno,
Allora!
Cerco di trovare una soluzione pratica.
What I don't know is if this is an issue of the Italian post office who do
not recognize the IOSS number that is electronically provided, or if this is
because seller did not (or could not) insert electronically IOSS number (so not
the fault of Poste Italiano)
For now I have stopped shipping to Europe for orders below 150 Euro. Depending
on the country, I have two shipping options for shipping to Europe: CanadaPost
and ChitChats(a private courier)
Could you please clarify from what country have you ordered and if you know,
what
From what country did you buy from? If you know, what courier did the seller(s)
use to ship your order?
In Help, Shintaku writes:
| | Hello,
AGAIN I received the customs for an order from EU to extra-EU for which I already
paid taxes in advance.
AGAIN I will have to start a fight with the seller who will try any way to avoid
refunding me, as it happened before.
AGAIN the seller attached the BL invoice that seems to be USELESS right now.
Now, let's face it, it was easier back then. You don't pay taxes in advance,
you pay them when you receive your goods and it's all.
What will happen? Either of:
1) People from outside EU will stop selling to EU sellers, losing a lot of money.
2) If the order is small, people will contact the seller, ask if they can buy
those 3 4 items and do it OUTSIDE bricklink. So they don't pay taxes, they
don't pay 3% of BL fees, and everyone is happy.
Has BL to collect taxes due to some laws? That is fine. I can cope with that.
But this doesn't mean any way that a buyer must pay two times taxes. This
is a theft. I'm not
exaggerating. It's purely a theft. I am asked to pay something that I already
paid for!
And... btw if BL is forced to do this, why isn't that happening with eBay
purchases? With eBay, everything is going well as usual. Shouldn't eBay be
forced to follow the same rules?
Sorry... but something is wrong here.
I see no solutions, and this is going to be very very bad for Bricklink.
It's somewhat downfall... and I was really afraid to witness it sooner or
later.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Shintaku | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 14:35 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Hello, my friend.
No IOSS was electronically inserted here.
I had this problem buying from Russia, England and now Thaialnd too.
In Help, SezaR writes:
| | Buongiorno,
Allora!
Cerco di trovare una soluzione pratica.
What I don't know is if this is an issue of the Italian post office who do
not recognize the IOSS number that is electronically provided, or if this is
because seller did not (or could not) insert electronically IOSS number (so not
the fault of Poste Italiano)
For now I have stopped shipping to Europe for orders below 150 Euro. Depending
on the country, I have two shipping options for shipping to Europe: CanadaPost
and ChitChats(a private courier)
Could you please clarify from what country have you ordered and if you know,
what
From what country did you buy from? If you know, what courier did the seller(s)
use to ship your order?
In Help, Shintaku writes:
| | Hello,
AGAIN I received the customs for an order from EU to extra-EU for which I already
paid taxes in advance.
AGAIN I will have to start a fight with the seller who will try any way to avoid
refunding me, as it happened before.
AGAIN the seller attached the BL invoice that seems to be USELESS right now.
Now, let's face it, it was easier back then. You don't pay taxes in advance,
you pay them when you receive your goods and it's all.
What will happen? Either of:
1) People from outside EU will stop selling to EU sellers, losing a lot of money.
2) If the order is small, people will contact the seller, ask if they can buy
those 3 4 items and do it OUTSIDE bricklink. So they don't pay taxes, they
don't pay 3% of BL fees, and everyone is happy.
Has BL to collect taxes due to some laws? That is fine. I can cope with that.
But this doesn't mean any way that a buyer must pay two times taxes. This
is a theft. I'm not
exaggerating. It's purely a theft. I am asked to pay something that I already
paid for!
And... btw if BL is forced to do this, why isn't that happening with eBay
purchases? With eBay, everything is going well as usual. Shouldn't eBay be
forced to follow the same rules?
Sorry... but something is wrong here.
I see no solutions, and this is going to be very very bad for Bricklink.
It's somewhat downfall... and I was really afraid to witness it sooner or
later.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 14:39 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| With CanadaPost, parcel option, I can insert IOSS number.
With ChitChats, I can insert IOSS number but that shipping option is few dollars
more expensive.
Have you ordered from outside Europe for which IOSS number was electronically
added and you did not pay import fees?
In Help, Shintaku writes:
| | Hello, my friend.
No IOSS was electronically inserted here.
I had this problem buying from Russia, England and now Thaialnd too.
In Help, SezaR writes:
| | Buongiorno,
Allora!
Cerco di trovare una soluzione pratica.
What I don't know is if this is an issue of the Italian post office who do
not recognize the IOSS number that is electronically provided, or if this is
because seller did not (or could not) insert electronically IOSS number (so not
the fault of Poste Italiano)
For now I have stopped shipping to Europe for orders below 150 Euro. Depending
on the country, I have two shipping options for shipping to Europe: CanadaPost
and ChitChats(a private courier)
Could you please clarify from what country have you ordered and if you know,
what
From what country did you buy from? If you know, what courier did the seller(s)
use to ship your order?
In Help, Shintaku writes:
| | Hello,
AGAIN I received the customs for an order from EU to extra-EU for which I already
paid taxes in advance.
AGAIN I will have to start a fight with the seller who will try any way to avoid
refunding me, as it happened before.
AGAIN the seller attached the BL invoice that seems to be USELESS right now.
Now, let's face it, it was easier back then. You don't pay taxes in advance,
you pay them when you receive your goods and it's all.
What will happen? Either of:
1) People from outside EU will stop selling to EU sellers, losing a lot of money.
2) If the order is small, people will contact the seller, ask if they can buy
those 3 4 items and do it OUTSIDE bricklink. So they don't pay taxes, they
don't pay 3% of BL fees, and everyone is happy.
Has BL to collect taxes due to some laws? That is fine. I can cope with that.
But this doesn't mean any way that a buyer must pay two times taxes. This
is a theft. I'm not
exaggerating. It's purely a theft. I am asked to pay something that I already
paid for!
And... btw if BL is forced to do this, why isn't that happening with eBay
purchases? With eBay, everything is going well as usual. Shouldn't eBay be
forced to follow the same rules?
Sorry... but something is wrong here.
I see no solutions, and this is going to be very very bad for Bricklink.
It's somewhat downfall... and I was really afraid to witness it sooner or
later.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 15:02 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| This is exactly what the EU wanted. The EU passes protectionist laws, and you
the people in the EU get the "benefits". I think you need to take up the issue
with your governments instead of here in the BrickLink forums.
In Help, Shintaku writes:
| | Hello, my friend.
No IOSS was electronically inserted here.
I had this problem buying from Russia, England and now Thaialnd too.
In Help, SezaR writes:
| | Buongiorno,
Allora!
Cerco di trovare una soluzione pratica.
What I don't know is if this is an issue of the Italian post office who do
not recognize the IOSS number that is electronically provided, or if this is
because seller did not (or could not) insert electronically IOSS number (so not
the fault of Poste Italiano)
For now I have stopped shipping to Europe for orders below 150 Euro. Depending
on the country, I have two shipping options for shipping to Europe: CanadaPost
and ChitChats(a private courier)
Could you please clarify from what country have you ordered and if you know,
what
From what country did you buy from? If you know, what courier did the seller(s)
use to ship your order?
In Help, Shintaku writes:
| | Hello,
AGAIN I received the customs for an order from EU to extra-EU for which I already
paid taxes in advance.
AGAIN I will have to start a fight with the seller who will try any way to avoid
refunding me, as it happened before.
AGAIN the seller attached the BL invoice that seems to be USELESS right now.
Now, let's face it, it was easier back then. You don't pay taxes in advance,
you pay them when you receive your goods and it's all.
What will happen? Either of:
1) People from outside EU will stop selling to EU sellers, losing a lot of money.
2) If the order is small, people will contact the seller, ask if they can buy
those 3 4 items and do it OUTSIDE bricklink. So they don't pay taxes, they
don't pay 3% of BL fees, and everyone is happy.
Has BL to collect taxes due to some laws? That is fine. I can cope with that.
But this doesn't mean any way that a buyer must pay two times taxes. This
is a theft. I'm not
exaggerating. It's purely a theft. I am asked to pay something that I already
paid for!
And... btw if BL is forced to do this, why isn't that happening with eBay
purchases? With eBay, everything is going well as usual. Shouldn't eBay be
forced to follow the same rules?
Sorry... but something is wrong here.
I see no solutions, and this is going to be very very bad for Bricklink.
It's somewhat downfall... and I was really afraid to witness it sooner or
later.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 15:06 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, randyf writes:
| | This is exactly what the EU wanted. The EU passes protectionist laws, and you
the people in the EU get the "benefits". I think you need to take up the issue
with your governments instead of here in the BrickLink forums.
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Mmmmh correct me if I'm wrong, but the first taxes BL implemented were Sales
Tax in USA.
And there's complaints about this every day in Forum 
I think you need to take up the issue with your governments instead of here in
the BrickLink forums.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 17:42 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Help, randyf writes:
| | This is exactly what the EU wanted. The EU passes protectionist laws, and you
the people in the EU get the "benefits". I think you need to take up the issue
with your governments instead of here in the BrickLink forums.
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Mmmmh correct me if I'm wrong, but the first taxes BL implemented were Sales
Tax in USA.
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And? What does that have to do with the EU? I don't care about paying my
Sales Tax that BrickLink collects, and I have never complained about it.
| | And there's complaints about this every day in Forum
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Really? Show me a complaint from every day. Or is this hyperbole?
| | I think you need to take up the issue with your governments instead of here in
the BrickLink forums.
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Again, I don't complain about having to pay my taxes. I pay them when I buy,
and I don't care. I also order from abroad, and my country does not slap
import taxes on the goods when I do. If they did, I would petition my government
for changes.
But none of this has anything to do with what the EU has done. This is a trend
in the world right now for countries and territories to become ever more protectionist
as a backlash to the globalization of the planet over the last several decades,
and I am not ashamed to say that I think it sucks. I wish I could help you guys
over there, but I don't have a say in any of it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 18:53 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, randyf writes:
| | In Help, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Help, randyf writes:
| | This is exactly what the EU wanted. The EU passes protectionist laws, and you
the people in the EU get the "benefits". I think you need to take up the issue
with your governments instead of here in the BrickLink forums.
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Mmmmh correct me if I'm wrong, but the first taxes BL implemented were Sales
Tax in USA.
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And? What does that have to do with the EU? I don't care about paying my
Sales Tax that BrickLink collects, and I have never complained about it.
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But you're not paying it twice. If you would, I think you would complain
too.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 19:13 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, randyf writes:
| | In Help, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Help, randyf writes:
| | This is exactly what the EU wanted. The EU passes protectionist laws, and you
the people in the EU get the "benefits". I think you need to take up the issue
with your governments instead of here in the BrickLink forums.
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Mmmmh correct me if I'm wrong, but the first taxes BL implemented were Sales
Tax in USA.
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And? What does that have to do with the EU? I don't care about paying my
Sales Tax that BrickLink collects, and I have never complained about it.
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But you're not paying it twice. If you would, I think you would complain
too.
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But not to BrickLink. That's the point.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2022 04:18 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, randyf writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, randyf writes:
| | In Help, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Help, randyf writes:
| | This is exactly what the EU wanted. The EU passes protectionist laws, and you
the people in the EU get the "benefits". I think you need to take up the issue
with your governments instead of here in the BrickLink forums.
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Mmmmh correct me if I'm wrong, but the first taxes BL implemented were Sales
Tax in USA.
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And? What does that have to do with the EU? I don't care about paying my
Sales Tax that BrickLink collects, and I have never complained about it.
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But you're not paying it twice. If you would, I think you would complain
too.
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But not to BrickLink. That's the point.
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True... I don't know why it happens. But if it's because of sellers not
producing the right paperwork on the package, it kind of is Bricklink that's
doing it wrong, too. Because it needs to instruct its sellers properly or think
of some way to make sure they don't forget/skip that step. Or it could be
even Bricklink that's making incorrect paperwork (or at least in the opinion
of the officials that receive it). But maybe the paperwork was there and something
else caused it, no idea. And I wonder how often these problems happen. On the
forum, I see topics about it often, but they could also be the only cases and
the problem wildly exaggerated.. all in all, it would be good if Bricklink at
least investigated to make sure there are no problems on their side.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 20:41 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, randyf writes:
| | In Help, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Help, randyf writes:
| | This is exactly what the EU wanted. The EU passes protectionist laws, and you
the people in the EU get the "benefits". I think you need to take up the issue
with your governments instead of here in the BrickLink forums.
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Mmmmh correct me if I'm wrong, but the first taxes BL implemented were Sales
Tax in USA.
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And? What does that have to do with the EU? I don't care about paying my
Sales Tax that BrickLink collects, and I have never complained about it.
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Me neither.
I love to pay taxes, I'd even like to pay more, which would mean I earn more,
but it's not the case unfortunately 
But you said people shouldn't complain on BL but with their government.
Which is true, of course!
But it's as easy as for example have education and health care with no cost
in all countries - it's normal, isn't it?
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Really? Show me a complaint from every day. Or is this hyperbole?
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A bit exagerated maybe.
But I'm in South of France, so here it's legit
I'm tired right now, but here's a sample:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1324379
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1325129
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1325161
| | But none of this has anything to do with what the EU has done. This is a trend
in the world right now for countries and territories to become ever more protectionist
as a backlash to the globalization of the planet over the last several decades,
and I am not ashamed to say that I think it sucks.
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On this: I 10000000000000000% agree with you.
And note that during this conversation, Elon and Jeff must have eearned a couple
of million dollars (and I'm stupidly kind).
The problem is not the taxes:
* if everyone pays it,
* if you get something social in return,
* if it's applied in a fair way.
Right now it's a freaking mess for some people about how VAT is applied,
sometimes twice to the same guy.
We don't know who's fault it is, maybe in reality nobody cares who's
responsible, but the VAT taxes seem not to be applied in a fair way.
Which is why people complain, here on BrickLink - even if probably not BL's
fault.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | antant7 | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 15:32 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, randyf writes:
| | This is exactly what the EU wanted. The EU passes protectionist laws, and you
the people in the EU get the "benefits". I think you need to take up the issue
with your governments instead of here in the BrickLink forums.
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The people in the EU do indeed get the benefits. The more orders placed within
the EU instead of outside, is less money that flows out of the EU.
I'm sure that Brussels didn't have BrickLink or the AFOL community in
mind when they passed the law. They were aiming squarely at Ali. They come up
with a metric ton of crap ideas all the time but this is not one of them.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 16:37 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, antant7 writes:
| | I'm sure that Brussels didn't have BrickLink or the AFOL community in
mind when they passed the law. They were aiming squarely at Ali. They come up
with a metric ton of crap ideas all the time but this is not one of them.
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As an idea it's fine. The implementation is the problem - although in the
OP's case it sounds like the seller(s) aren't sending the IOSS numbers
electronically as they should.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 17:45 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, peregrinator writes:
| | In Help, antant7 writes:
| | I'm sure that Brussels didn't have BrickLink or the AFOL community in
mind when they passed the law. They were aiming squarely at Ali. They come up
with a metric ton of crap ideas all the time but this is not one of them.
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As an idea it's fine. The implementation is the problem
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | antant7 | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 19:04 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, peregrinator writes:
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As an idea it's fine. The implementation is the problem - although in the
OP's case it sounds like the seller(s) aren't sending the IOSS numbers
electronically as they should.
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Agreed. From what I read online, it sounds very much like it's the carriers
that are playing catch up to the new rules. The systems are either not ready
for electronic IOSS numbers or are implemented in a weird way. DPD (NL) for example
allows IOSS numbers to be filled in electronically, but only if sending as a
business user. I can imagine that there are many more such carrier implementations
that are easy to miss by non-business sellers here.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 18:50 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, randyf writes:
| | This is exactly what the EU wanted. The EU passes protectionist laws, and you
the people in the EU get the "benefits".
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They didn't do anything like that. Nothing changed, they simply updated the
system to the modern e-commerce age by removing the threshold and shifting responsibility.
The fact that taxes were often evaded in the past is not because of a change
in ideology, but because it was a loophole that was never nearly exploited as
much as it is now in the e-commerce age.
And it's not really protectionist either, all goods and services - import
or local - are taxed the same. These are not import tariffs. In fact, this actually
cuts the cost of import administration fees for the consumer by shifting the
responsibility from the customs to the platforms.
| | I think you need to take up the issue
with your governments instead of here in the BrickLink forums.
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I think the issue of being double taxed is mostly about either the way Bricklink
implements it, or how the customs are functioning. Either way it's certainly
not government policy to pay tax twice (although maybe government policy can
help avoid the problem)
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In Help, Shintaku writes:
| | Hello, my friend.
No IOSS was electronically inserted here.
I had this problem buying from Russia, England and now Thaialnd too.
In Help, SezaR writes:
| | Buongiorno,
Allora!
Cerco di trovare una soluzione pratica.
What I don't know is if this is an issue of the Italian post office who do
not recognize the IOSS number that is electronically provided, or if this is
because seller did not (or could not) insert electronically IOSS number (so not
the fault of Poste Italiano)
For now I have stopped shipping to Europe for orders below 150 Euro. Depending
on the country, I have two shipping options for shipping to Europe: CanadaPost
and ChitChats(a private courier)
Could you please clarify from what country have you ordered and if you know,
what
From what country did you buy from? If you know, what courier did the seller(s)
use to ship your order?
In Help, Shintaku writes:
| | Hello,
AGAIN I received the customs for an order from EU to extra-EU for which I already
paid taxes in advance.
AGAIN I will have to start a fight with the seller who will try any way to avoid
refunding me, as it happened before.
AGAIN the seller attached the BL invoice that seems to be USELESS right now.
Now, let's face it, it was easier back then. You don't pay taxes in advance,
you pay them when you receive your goods and it's all.
What will happen? Either of:
1) People from outside EU will stop selling to EU sellers, losing a lot of money.
2) If the order is small, people will contact the seller, ask if they can buy
those 3 4 items and do it OUTSIDE bricklink. So they don't pay taxes, they
don't pay 3% of BL fees, and everyone is happy.
Has BL to collect taxes due to some laws? That is fine. I can cope with that.
But this doesn't mean any way that a buyer must pay two times taxes. This
is a theft. I'm not
exaggerating. It's purely a theft. I am asked to pay something that I already
paid for!
And... btw if BL is forced to do this, why isn't that happening with eBay
purchases? With eBay, everything is going well as usual. Shouldn't eBay be
forced to follow the same rules?
Sorry... but something is wrong here.
I see no solutions, and this is going to be very very bad for Bricklink.
It's somewhat downfall... and I was really afraid to witness it sooner or
later.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2022 21:08 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, randyf writes:
| | This is exactly what the EU wanted. The EU passes protectionist laws, and you
the people in the EU get the "benefits".
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They didn't do anything like that. Nothing changed, they simply updated the
system to the modern e-commerce age by removing the threshold and shifting responsibility.
The fact that taxes were often evaded in the past is not because of a change
in ideology, but because it was a loophole that was never nearly exploited as
much as it is now in the e-commerce age.
And it's not really protectionist either, all goods and services - import
or local - are taxed the same. These are not import tariffs. In fact, this actually
cuts the cost of import administration fees for the consumer by shifting the
responsibility from the customs to the platforms.
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Wow - In practice that's just... untrue.
Before, there was a threshold - 20€, 150€, whatever.
And some luck, sometimes, yes.
Zillions of people baught things for less than 10€, and paid no taxes, no duty.
Right now, they pay VAT on the very first cent, even if you order for 2€.
In short, for the majority of those in the lower economic class, it's probably
a 300% tax increase.
"Nothing changed" may be your vision, but it's not the case for a majority.
"The fact that taxes were often evaded in the past" may be your vision. But for
15€ there was NO tax. Now there is 20% or such.
Sylvain
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2022 04:03 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, randyf writes:
| | This is exactly what the EU wanted. The EU passes protectionist laws, and you
the people in the EU get the "benefits".
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They didn't do anything like that. Nothing changed, they simply updated the
system to the modern e-commerce age by removing the threshold and shifting responsibility.
The fact that taxes were often evaded in the past is not because of a change
in ideology, but because it was a loophole that was never nearly exploited as
much as it is now in the e-commerce age.
And it's not really protectionist either, all goods and services - import
or local - are taxed the same. These are not import tariffs. In fact, this actually
cuts the cost of import administration fees for the consumer by shifting the
responsibility from the customs to the platforms.
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Wow - In practice that's just... untrue.
Before, there was a threshold - 20€, 150€, whatever.
And some luck, sometimes, yes.
Zillions of people baught things for less than 10€, and paid no taxes, no duty.
Right now, they pay VAT on the very first cent, even if you order for 2€.
In short, for the majority of those in the lower economic class, it's probably
a 300% tax increase.
"Nothing changed" may be your vision, but it's not the case for a majority.
"The fact that taxes were often evaded in the past" may be your vision. But for
15€ there was NO tax. Now there is 20% or such.
Sylvain
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Well ok, I understand that, but actually I mean nothing changed compared to the
times the policy was made: People paid VAT over everything they bought. Private
consumers had very limited contact with other countries and import was done by
companies rather than consumers.
Would be interesting to see a statistic on much VAT governments were missing
out on then because of that threshold, versus how much they did by the end of
it. It just only makes sense that the Wild West of ecommerce eventually would
become integrated into policy. Next up will be crypto currencies, which still
offers a lot of ways to cheat the system. Governments are also wrestling with
social media. All these things those technologies introduced just can't exist
in some legal vacuum forever, eventually policy catches up, for better or for
worse (and a lot of it is actually better, too). It's not a change in ideology,
it's just updating the rules to fit the new reality.
I think the world wide trend is not protectionism but just (slowly) updating
policies. As I understand it the US government is watching the US sellers more
closely, and for example large EU sellers need to charge the VAT rate of the
country of the buyer - not necessarily making it more expensive, just more precise
and removing unfair advantages. I think the main drive here is to make things
more fair and precise. Whether it actually/always has that effect, you can debate.
But I don't think the drive behind it is anything else than to simply make
old policy more precise and fair. Remember the old rules are from a time when
everyone just got their money from a boss.
When I was a teenager I made a trojan that randomly opened and closed the CD
drive. Wouldn't dare to pull off such pranks now: I'd be afraid to be
arrested  Legal vacuums can be fun while they last
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| | | | | Author: | Leftoverbricks | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2022 11:28 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Today I decided to no longer ship to countries outside the EU. For the very reasons
that have been mentioned in this thread.
It's very time consuming and actually a PITA to fill out all forms needed
to ship a small order (I only receive small orders from outside the EU) and not
worth the effort.
If this happens to be the new reality - each country or continent for their own,
barriers everywhere - then I'm very pessimistic about the future of mankind,
economically spoken.
(And you may add this to my general view of the future where we are currently
heading to: using up all resources, destroying nature, the pandemic, entering
a new global war..., Jeff Bezos ordering a 430 million pleasure yacht at a shipyard
in my country because he don't know what to do better with his extreme wealth...
// OK I was never the most positive kid in my class.)
Buying and selling LEGO should be fun. Making people happy is very rewarding:
oxytin for the brain. That's why BL was founded. I think Daniel Jezek would
turn in his grave if he'd known this.
Anyway: have a nice day and keep making people happy with LEGO bricks for as
long as you can!
Martin (in a philosophical mood) 
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2022 14:11 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Leftoverbricks writes:
| | Today I decided to no longer ship to countries outside the EU. For the very reasons
that have been mentioned in this thread.
It's very time consuming and actually a PITA to fill out all forms needed
to ship a small order (I only receive small orders from outside the EU) and not
worth the effort.
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Wait, do you mean the new tax part or the new international postal system where
you have to register things digitally? Both are a pain (when done manually),
but as for the tax part, as far as I know it's only shipping to the UK that
requires that paperwork? That's why I ship worldwide except UK - I don't
have a printer, transparent sleeves, and don't want the hassle if something
goes wrong.
| | (And you may add this to my general view of the future where we are currently
heading to: using up all resources, destroying nature, the pandemic, entering
a new global war..., Jeff Bezos ordering a 430 million pleasure yacht at a shipyard
in my country because he don't know what to do better with his extreme wealth...
// OK I was never the most positive kid in my class.)
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Yep.. Bezos is like an AFOL, except he doesn't need to buy Lego buildings,
boats and spaceships to create his own world, he can just literally create his
own world..
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Vosblokjes | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2022 14:32 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Teup writes:
| | Wait, do you mean the new tax part or the new international postal system where
you have to register things digitally? Both are a pain (when done manually),
but as for the tax part, as far as I know it's only shipping to the UK that
requires that paperwork? That's why I ship worldwide except UK - I don't
have a printer, transparent sleeves, and don't want the hassle if something
goes wrong.
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Every shipment going outside the EU requires the paperwork.
Filled CN22 or CN23 and there has to be a paper invoice on the outside in a plastic
sleeve (or envelope). And the invoice maybe not the greatest issue and the CN
you can fill out at the postal office, but that is not the easiest way to do
it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2022 05:34 | | Subject: | Re: People will start buying outside bricklink... | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, BasKrie writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | Wait, do you mean the new tax part or the new international postal system where
you have to register things digitally? Both are a pain (when done manually),
but as for the tax part, as far as I know it's only shipping to the UK that
requires that paperwork? That's why I ship worldwide except UK - I don't
have a printer, transparent sleeves, and don't want the hassle if something
goes wrong.
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Every shipment going outside the EU requires the paperwork.
Filled CN22 or CN23 and there has to be a paper invoice on the outside in a plastic
sleeve (or envelope). And the invoice maybe not the greatest issue and the CN
you can fill out at the postal office, but that is not the easiest way to do
it.
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I didn't know that invoices are now required, I haven't done that so
far and at least didn't have problems yet. Hopefully it doesn't lead
to people paying sales tax twice, or I might also stop shipping outside the EU.
The CN22 is part of the online registration, I agree that is a pain if you'd
have to do it manually. But it's not exactly because of the tax topic, that
part was always there.
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| Invoices are not required only to countries where Bricklink collect the VAT.
I have not had any issues shipping to the US for instance.
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| In Help, Ellum writes:
| | Invoices are not required only to countries where Bricklink collect the VAT.
I have not had any issues shipping to the US for instance.
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It has nothing to do with Bricklink and/or VAT.
An invoice is required on every commercial shipment going in or out the EU.
And I'm not saying that it will go wrong if you don't, I only have read
what the official (outside BL) rules are
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| In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, BasKrie writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | Wait, do you mean the new tax part or the new international postal system where
you have to register things digitally? Both are a pain (when done manually),
but as for the tax part, as far as I know it's only shipping to the UK that
requires that paperwork? That's why I ship worldwide except UK - I don't
have a printer, transparent sleeves, and don't want the hassle if something
goes wrong.
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Every shipment going outside the EU requires the paperwork.
Filled CN22 or CN23 and there has to be a paper invoice on the outside in a plastic
sleeve (or envelope). And the invoice maybe not the greatest issue and the CN
you can fill out at the postal office, but that is not the easiest way to do
it.
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I didn't know that invoices are now required, I haven't done that so
far and at least didn't have problems yet. Hopefully it doesn't lead
to people paying sales tax twice, or I might also stop shipping outside the EU.
The CN22 is part of the online registration, I agree that is a pain if you'd
have to do it manually. But it's not exactly because of the tax topic, that
part was always there.
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An invoice has always been required for commercial transactions (B2C and B2B).
That is not new
I haven't done it either (only on very large orders) and aren't planning
to do so.
Heck most orders are shipped in a small bubble mailer, the A6 label from PostNL
just fits on it, so attaching an invoice is a no go.
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