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| | | Author: | enig  | | Posted: | Jan 5, 2022 11:39 | | Subject: | Please add catalog description to gear 500599 | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | | For: | Catalog Associate | | Status: | Completed | |
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First Edition Print - Illustration in Water Color for LEGO® Wooden Toy Elephant,
Circa 1937
Printed on premium paper with embossing.
25.5cm x 31.6cm (10.03" x 12.44")
Available exclusively as a VIP Reward for 650 points beginning in August 2019.
Between November 27 and November 30, 2020, the "cost" of this reward was reduced
to 325 points as part of a Black Friday / Cyber Monday promotion before returning
to the original 650 points. Beginning February 1, 2021, the "cost" of this reward
was reduced to 150 points in celebration of LEGO Patent Day.
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ADDITIONALLY
Currently it makes it look as if you're buying an actual watercolour item
from 1937
I propose a name change to:
First Edition Print - Illustration in Water Color for LEGO Wooden Toy Elephant,
Circa 1937 (2019)
Side-question. How does one post a gear-item inside the message? I am relatively
sure that it was possible to do previously. Did this feature got broken with
the addition of color attribute?
[g=500599]
[g=500599-1]
[gear=500599]
[gear=500599-1]
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| | | | | Author: | enig | | Posted: | Jan 5, 2022 11:52 | | Subject: | Re: Please add catalog description to gear 5005997 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, enig writes:
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First Edition Print - Illustration in Water Color for LEGO® Wooden Toy Elephant,
Circa 1937
Printed on premium paper with embossing.
25.5cm x 31.6cm (10.03" x 12.44")
Available exclusively as a VIP Reward for 650 points beginning in August 2019.
Between November 27 and November 30, 2020, the "cost" of this reward was reduced
to 325 points as part of a Black Friday / Cyber Monday promotion before returning
to the original 650 points. Beginning February 1, 2021, the "cost" of this reward
was reduced to 150 points in celebration of LEGO Patent Day.
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ADDITIONALLY
Currently it makes it look as if you're buying an actual watercolour item
from 1937
I propose a name change to:
First Edition Print - Illustration in Water Color for LEGO Wooden Toy Elephant,
Circa 1937 (2019)
Side-question. How does one post a gear-item inside the message? I am relatively
sure that it was possible to do previously. Did this feature got broken with
the addition of color attribute?
[g=500599]
[g=500599-1]
[gear=500599]
[gear=500599-1]
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Oh. The correct gear ID is 5005997 
/facepalm
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 5, 2022 12:46 | | Subject: | Re: Please add catalog description to gear 500599 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, enig writes:
| | Please add extended description:
*******************************
First Edition Print - Illustration in Water Color for LEGO® Wooden Toy Elephant,
Circa 1937
Printed on premium paper with embossing.
25.5cm x 31.6cm (10.03" x 12.44")
Available exclusively as a VIP Reward for 650 points beginning in August 2019.
Between November 27 and November 30, 2020, the "cost" of this reward was reduced
to 325 points as part of a Black Friday / Cyber Monday promotion before returning
to the original 650 points. Beginning February 1, 2021, the "cost" of this reward
was reduced to 150 points in celebration of LEGO Patent Day.
*******************************
ADDITIONALLY
Currently it makes it look as if you're buying an actual watercolour item
from 1937
I propose a name change to:
First Edition Print - Illustration in Water Color for LEGO Wooden Toy Elephant,
Circa 1937 (2019)
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It is in the gear / poster section, so should be fairly obvious you are getting
a poster and not a real toy of an elephant from 1937.
I'm fairly sure the naming of it here is exactly what LEGO called it. It
is no longer in my rewards centre, but "1st Edition of Wooden Duck Print, 1958"
is. It also has the same name in the brickset database, suggesting it is LEGO's
name for it.
If this one gets changed to a different name then so should others like
to make it clear you are getting a print and not a brochure in this case or an
original patent in some other cases. Although it is obvious (to me) that these
are prints based on their category.
And does it really need the full history of the VIP point costs for redemption?
No other VIP rewards have this information and someone would need to keep track
of the redemption costs (and the history of the redemption costs) of all VIP
gifts such as:
* | | 5005205 VIP Chrome Red Minifigure Key Chain with LEGO Logo Tile, Modified 3 x 2 Curved with Hole - Yellow Label
Gear: Key Chain |
They don't even get a note that they were VIP gifts, just like sets don't
get a note about which stores they were sold in or whether they were given away
with newspapers or magazines. Add to that that the costs (and the history of
the costs) of regular sets is not stored either, so why do it for VIP redemptions?
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| | | | | | | Author: | enig | | Posted: | Jan 5, 2022 14:27 | | Subject: | Re: Please add catalog description to gear 500599 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, enig writes:
| | Please add extended description:
*******************************
First Edition Print - Illustration in Water Color for LEGO® Wooden Toy Elephant,
Circa 1937
Printed on premium paper with embossing.
25.5cm x 31.6cm (10.03" x 12.44")
Available exclusively as a VIP Reward for 650 points beginning in August 2019.
Between November 27 and November 30, 2020, the "cost" of this reward was reduced
to 325 points as part of a Black Friday / Cyber Monday promotion before returning
to the original 650 points. Beginning February 1, 2021, the "cost" of this reward
was reduced to 150 points in celebration of LEGO Patent Day.
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ADDITIONALLY
Currently it makes it look as if you're buying an actual watercolour item
from 1937
I propose a name change to:
First Edition Print - Illustration in Water Color for LEGO Wooden Toy Elephant,
Circa 1937 (2019)
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It is in the gear / poster section, so should be fairly obvious you are getting
a poster and not a real toy of an elephant from 1937.
I'm fairly sure the naming of it here is exactly what LEGO called it. It
is no longer in my rewards centre, but "1st Edition of Wooden Duck Print, 1958"
is. It also has the same name in the brickset database, suggesting it is LEGO's
name for it.
If this one gets changed to a different name then so should others like
to make it clear you are getting a print and not a brochure in this case or an
original patent in some other cases. Although it is obvious (to me) that these
are prints based on their category.
And does it really need the full history of the VIP point costs for redemption?
No other VIP rewards have this information and someone would need to keep track
of the redemption costs (and the history of the redemption costs) of all VIP
gifts such as:
* | | 5005205 VIP Chrome Red Minifigure Key Chain with LEGO Logo Tile, Modified 3 x 2 Curved with Hole - Yellow Label
Gear: Key Chain |
They don't even get a note that they were VIP gifts, just like sets don't
get a note about which stores they were sold in or whether they were given away
with newspapers or magazines. Add to that that the costs (and the history of
the costs) of regular sets is not stored either, so why do it for VIP redemptions?
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I see the name of the item has already been changed and the note added. Catmins
- thanks for the quick turnaround!
@yorbrick
1) You have misunderstood me. I don't think anyone looking at the listing
would think that they'll be getting an actual wooden Elephant? My issue was
in the description not being clear enough and leading to think that it is an
actual watercolour artwork from circa 1937. I still do not think
the naming as it is right now is clear enough:
LegoFirst Edition Print - Illustration in Water Color for LEGO Wooden Toy Elephant,
Circa 1937
Whenever such info is available - artwork is always displayed/listed with the
year or at least a general timeline for when it was/is thought to be conceived.
That kind of info is also most often listed at the very end. That's *exactly*
what we have right now and it is just not right. No matter how you look at it
in it's current form - the answer to the question 'Can this be misleading'
is 'yes'. This is not an opinion and it is not something debatable. What
is debatable is whether BL wants to have it this way or not. Hence my suggestion
to add an actual year of production of the print. If there was no year mentioned
in the description - we probably would not be talking about this.
2) Extended description - argument that other items do not have such info is
not an argument to not add it. Origins of the item are always interesting to
know, especially when it has something to do with art. As far as the MSRP/retail
price goes - the amount of points needed to redeem the item... also tells a story.
If the proposed description was an essay instead of a paragraph then yes, perhaps
it would be a good idea to see if it can be shortened but in this case I do not
really see a problem. Besides, the value of any random LEGO set sold at lego.com
can at least be ball-parked. While saying that 'this was available to redeem
for points' leaves you guessing about the amount of points required/relative
value at the time.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jan 5, 2022 15:52 | | Subject: | Re: Please add catalog description to gear 500599 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, enig writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, enig writes:
| | Please add extended description:
*******************************
First Edition Print - Illustration in Water Color for LEGO® Wooden Toy Elephant,
Circa 1937
Printed on premium paper with embossing.
25.5cm x 31.6cm (10.03" x 12.44")
Available exclusively as a VIP Reward for 650 points beginning in August 2019.
Between November 27 and November 30, 2020, the "cost" of this reward was reduced
to 325 points as part of a Black Friday / Cyber Monday promotion before returning
to the original 650 points. Beginning February 1, 2021, the "cost" of this reward
was reduced to 150 points in celebration of LEGO Patent Day.
*******************************
ADDITIONALLY
Currently it makes it look as if you're buying an actual watercolour item
from 1937
I propose a name change to:
First Edition Print - Illustration in Water Color for LEGO Wooden Toy Elephant,
Circa 1937 (2019)
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It is in the gear / poster section, so should be fairly obvious you are getting
a poster and not a real toy of an elephant from 1937.
I'm fairly sure the naming of it here is exactly what LEGO called it. It
is no longer in my rewards centre, but "1st Edition of Wooden Duck Print, 1958"
is. It also has the same name in the brickset database, suggesting it is LEGO's
name for it.
If this one gets changed to a different name then so should others like
to make it clear you are getting a print and not a brochure in this case or an
original patent in some other cases. Although it is obvious (to me) that these
are prints based on their category.
And does it really need the full history of the VIP point costs for redemption?
No other VIP rewards have this information and someone would need to keep track
of the redemption costs (and the history of the redemption costs) of all VIP
gifts such as:
* | | 5005205 VIP Chrome Red Minifigure Key Chain with LEGO Logo Tile, Modified 3 x 2 Curved with Hole - Yellow Label
Gear: Key Chain |
They don't even get a note that they were VIP gifts, just like sets don't
get a note about which stores they were sold in or whether they were given away
with newspapers or magazines. Add to that that the costs (and the history of
the costs) of regular sets is not stored either, so why do it for VIP redemptions?
|
I see the name of the item has already been changed and the note added. Catmins
- thanks for the quick turnaround!
@yorbrick
1) You have misunderstood me. I don't think anyone looking at the listing
would think that they'll be getting an actual wooden Elephant? My issue was
in the description not being clear enough and leading to think that it is an
actual watercolour artwork from circa 1937. I still do not think
the naming as it is right now is clear enough:
LegoFirst Edition Print - Illustration in Water Color for LEGO Wooden Toy Elephant,
Circa 1937
Whenever such info is available - artwork is always displayed/listed with the
year or at least a general timeline for when it was/is thought to be conceived.
That kind of info is also most often listed at the very end. That's *exactly*
what we have right now and it is just not right. No matter how you look at it
in it's current form - the answer to the question 'Can this be misleading'
is 'yes'. This is not an opinion and it is not something debatable. What
is debatable is whether BL wants to have it this way or not. Hence my suggestion
to add an actual year of production of the print. If there was no year mentioned
in the description - we probably would not be talking about this.
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The items are now named exactly as they are on the prints themselves. The year
of release is superfluous information because the catalog entry already stores
the year of release.
| | 2) Extended description - argument that other items do not have such info is
not an argument to not add it. Origins of the item are always interesting to
know, especially when it has something to do with art. As far as the MSRP/retail
price goes - the amount of points needed to redeem the item... also tells a story.
If the proposed description was an essay instead of a paragraph then yes, perhaps
it would be a good idea to see if it can be shortened but in this case I do not
really see a problem. Besides, the value of any random LEGO set sold at lego.com
can at least be ball-parked. While saying that 'this was available to redeem
for points' leaves you guessing about the amount of points required/relative
value at the time.
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If someone takes the time to add some historical information to a catalog entry,
then I think it should be added. It does not mean that it has to be added to
everything.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 5, 2022 16:48 | | Subject: | Re: Please add catalog description to gear 500599 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| | | Whenever such info is available - artwork is always displayed/listed with the
year or at least a general timeline for when it was/is thought to be conceived.
That kind of info is also most often listed at the very end. That's *exactly*
what we have right now and it is just not right. No matter how you look at it
in it's current form - the answer to the question 'Can this be misleading'
is 'yes'. This is not an opinion and it is not something debatable. What
is debatable is whether BL wants to have it this way or not. Hence my suggestion
to add an actual year of production of the print. If there was no year mentioned
in the description - we probably would not be talking about this.
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It is already clearly stated on the page - released 2019.
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