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| | | Author: | minifigmountain  | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 14:32 | | Subject: | Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 289 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| I am running into counterfeit Super Battle Droid (sw0092) parts with a number
of different stores. I'm wondering how aggressive I need to be about pushing
for refunds when I get fake parts or is that a jerk move?
The arms are very easy to tell because LEGO prints their logo and part number
on the inside. The torsos and legs I haven't found any markings, but you
can tell that the pearl dark gray color is slightly off. It's slightly lighter
and looks less homogeneous/more streaky.
I don't really fault sellers and don't want to get them in trouble for
selling counterfeit pieces because I honestly don't think it's intentional,
but at the same time I don't want to be eating the cost for all these fake
parts that I can't use to list minifigures in my own store.
Any community thoughts on this? Just a cost of doing business or should I be
weeding these out of the system and getting refunds?
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| | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 14:35 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, steveschow writes:
| | I am running into counterfeit Super Battle Droid (sw0092) parts with a number
of different stores. I'm wondering how aggressive I need to be about pushing
for refunds when I get fake parts or is that a jerk move?
The arms are very easy to tell because LEGO prints their logo and part number
on the inside. The torsos and legs I haven't found any markings, but you
can tell that the pearl dark gray color is slightly off. It's slightly lighter
and looks less homogeneous/more streaky.
I don't really fault sellers and don't want to get them in trouble for
selling counterfeit pieces because I honestly don't think it's intentional,
but at the same time I don't want to be eating the cost for all these fake
parts that I can't use to list minifigures in my own store.
Any community thoughts on this? Just a cost of doing business or should I be
weeding these out of the system and getting refunds?
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Are you 100% sure they are fakes? I'm pretty sure Lego doesn't always
pring their logo on the arms and there are two different shades of pearl dark
gray.
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| | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 14:56 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, steveschow writes:
| | I am running into counterfeit Super Battle Droid (sw0092) parts with a number
of different stores. I'm wondering how aggressive I need to be about pushing
for refunds when I get fake parts or is that a jerk move?
The arms are very easy to tell because LEGO prints their logo and part number
on the inside.
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If that was true then the arms of my Super Battle Droid that I got nine years
ago from a brand new and sealed
would be fake parts because they don't have any logo or part number.
| | The torsos and legs I haven't found any markings, but you
can tell that the pearl dark gray color is slightly off. It's slightly lighter
and looks less homogeneous/more streaky.
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Like this? 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14908560599/
(See also the image description.)
| | I don't really fault sellers and don't want to get them in trouble for
selling counterfeit pieces because I honestly don't think it's intentional,
but at the same time I don't want to be eating the cost for all these fake
parts that I can't use to list minifigures in my own store.
Any community thoughts on this? Just a cost of doing business or should I be
weeding these out of the system and getting refunds?
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| | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 15:14 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Turez writes:
| | In General, steveschow writes:
| | I am running into counterfeit Super Battle Droid (sw0092) parts with a number
of different stores. I'm wondering how aggressive I need to be about pushing
for refunds when I get fake parts or is that a jerk move?
The arms are very easy to tell because LEGO prints their logo and part number
on the inside.
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If that was true then the arms of my Super Battle Droid that I got nine years
ago from a brand new and sealed
would be fake parts because they don't have any logo or part number.
| | The torsos and legs I haven't found any markings, but you
can tell that the pearl dark gray color is slightly off. It's slightly lighter
and looks less homogeneous/more streaky.
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Like this?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14908560599/
(See also the image description.)
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+1
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 15:02 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, steveschow writes:
| | I am running into counterfeit Super Battle Droid (sw0092) parts with a number
of different stores. I'm wondering how aggressive I need to be about pushing
for refunds when I get fake parts or is that a jerk move?
The arms are very easy to tell because LEGO prints their logo and part number
on the inside. The torsos and legs I haven't found any markings, but you
can tell that the pearl dark gray color is slightly off. It's slightly lighter
and looks less homogeneous/more streaky.
I don't really fault sellers and don't want to get them in trouble for
selling counterfeit pieces because I honestly don't think it's intentional,
but at the same time I don't want to be eating the cost for all these fake
parts that I can't use to list minifigures in my own store.
Any community thoughts on this? Just a cost of doing business or should I be
weeding these out of the system and getting refunds?
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They spanned about a decade in production. Even in the same year of production
there is often a slight different in shades for pearl colours, so I am not surprised
you see examples where the colour is slightly off. Plus not all parts have the
number on the mould.
If it was just one or two stores, then maybe you are right. But if you are
finding these in a larger number of stores, then likely you are wrong.
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 16:00 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, steveschow writes:
| | I am running into counterfeit Super Battle Droid (sw0092) parts with a number
of different stores. I'm wondering how aggressive I need to be about pushing
for refunds when I get fake parts or is that a jerk move?
The arms are very easy to tell because LEGO prints their logo and part number
on the inside. The torsos and legs I haven't found any markings, but you
can tell that the pearl dark gray color is slightly off. It's slightly lighter
and looks less homogeneous/more streaky.
I don't really fault sellers and don't want to get them in trouble for
selling counterfeit pieces because I honestly don't think it's intentional,
but at the same time I don't want to be eating the cost for all these fake
parts that I can't use to list minifigures in my own store.
Any community thoughts on this? Just a cost of doing business or should I be
weeding these out of the system and getting refunds?
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The Super Battle Droid parts did NOT always have the LEGO logo or mold number.
It isn't quite fair to jump to the conclusion that sellers are distributing
fakes before ascertaining the facts. I guess it is good that you asked here before
pursuing anything more aggressive...
Jen
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1315945
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| | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 16:15 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Here's a good image of some genuine battle droid arms from the 2008-2013
era.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 16:41 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 124 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, jennnifer writes:
| | Here's a good image of some genuine battle droid arms from the 2008-2013
era.
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And here is another slightly less good picture. I need some sunlight to get a
really good one. 
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | minifigmountain | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 17:50 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Thanks for the pictures. I guess I really should have started with "are these
fakes". I understand lots of LEGO helmets and hair and other pieces don't
have the LEGO logo on them. These other parts just look and even feel so different
I convinced myself they were off. The legs in particular just feel like they
have less sharp edges but it must be in my head. As I was assembling a bunch
to list for sale it just looked so obvious the difference.
Anyway, sorry to ruffle everyone's feathers, I'll go dig some battle
droid arms out of my junk bucket now...
In General, jennnifer writes:
| | In General, jennnifer writes:
| | Here's a good image of some genuine battle droid arms from the 2008-2013
era.
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And here is another slightly less good picture. I need some sunlight to get a
really good one.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 12:00 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, steveschow writes:
| | Thanks for the pictures. I guess I really should have started with "are these
fakes". I understand lots of LEGO helmets and hair and other pieces don't
have the LEGO logo on them. These other parts just look and even feel so different
I convinced myself they were off. The legs in particular just feel like they
have less sharp edges but it must be in my head. As I was assembling a bunch
to list for sale it just looked so obvious the difference.
Anyway, sorry to ruffle everyone's feathers, I'll go dig some battle
droid arms out of my junk bucket now...
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I do understand your concern with these parts. I have had buyers contact me to
see if the ones I had listed had mold numbers or not. If you do list them, I
would add a note letting potential buyers know that these are the 'vintage
version with no mold numbers' so they don't fall into the same misconception
that you did.
Good luck!
Jen
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In General, jennnifer writes:
| | In General, jennnifer writes:
| | Here's a good image of some genuine battle droid arms from the 2008-2013
era.
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And here is another slightly less good picture. I need some sunlight to get a
really good one.
Jen
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| | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 16:08 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, steveschow writes:
| | I don't really fault sellers and don't want to get them in trouble for
selling counterfeit pieces because I honestly don't think it's intentional,
but at the same time I don't want to be eating the cost for all these fake
parts that I can't use to list minifigures in my own store.
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It all goes back to provenance. If these are established sellers, ask them how
the minifigs came to their inventory. If they took them directly from sets, then
they have to be genuine. If they are buying bulk from some upstream supplier,
then it may be worth chasing the chain.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | Author: | minifigmountain | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 17:54 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Thanks. I did buy them all used, but I think the rest of the forum has soundly
shot down my argument that they are not real, so I'm going to just lick my
wounds and leave it alone.
I just feel bad if somebody orders multiple from me because I think the ones
I believed were fake kinda look like junk. But sounds like nobody cares.
In General, cosmicray writes:
| | In General, steveschow writes:
| | I don't really fault sellers and don't want to get them in trouble for
selling counterfeit pieces because I honestly don't think it's intentional,
but at the same time I don't want to be eating the cost for all these fake
parts that I can't use to list minifigures in my own store.
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It all goes back to provenance. If these are established sellers, ask them how
the minifigs came to their inventory. If they took them directly from sets, then
they have to be genuine. If they are buying bulk from some upstream supplier,
then it may be worth chasing the chain.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Stuart9 | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 18:00 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| If in doubt about anything just post some photo’s here, you’ll soon get some
idea if they are genuine or not.
In General, steveschow writes:
| | Thanks. I did buy them all used, but I think the rest of the forum has soundly
shot down my argument that they are not real, so I'm going to just lick my
wounds and leave it alone.
I just feel bad if somebody orders multiple from me because I think the ones
I believed were fake kinda look like junk. But sounds like nobody cares.
In General, cosmicray writes:
| | In General, steveschow writes:
| | I don't really fault sellers and don't want to get them in trouble for
selling counterfeit pieces because I honestly don't think it's intentional,
but at the same time I don't want to be eating the cost for all these fake
parts that I can't use to list minifigures in my own store.
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It all goes back to provenance. If these are established sellers, ask them how
the minifigs came to their inventory. If they took them directly from sets, then
they have to be genuine. If they are buying bulk from some upstream supplier,
then it may be worth chasing the chain.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | Author: | Brickitty | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 16:08 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, steveschow writes:
| | I am running into counterfeit Super Battle Droid (sw0092) parts with a number
of different stores. I'm wondering how aggressive I need to be about pushing
for refunds when I get fake parts or is that a jerk move?
The arms are very easy to tell because LEGO prints their logo and part number
on the inside. The torsos and legs I haven't found any markings, but you
can tell that the pearl dark gray color is slightly off. It's slightly lighter
and looks less homogeneous/more streaky.
I don't really fault sellers and don't want to get them in trouble for
selling counterfeit pieces because I honestly don't think it's intentional,
but at the same time I don't want to be eating the cost for all these fake
parts that I can't use to list minifigures in my own store.
Any community thoughts on this? Just a cost of doing business or should I be
weeding these out of the system and getting refunds?
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As others have said, but to be even more direct: Those are not fakes. Period.
Yes, they came in different shades and some had those streaks, and yes, they
came with and without the Lego logo. In this situation, you would be the jerk
if you pursued refunds, given that those are genuine Lego parts.
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| | | | | | | Author: | minifigmountain | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 17:56 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Thanks for the reply. I'm still only 11 months into this and come across
something new every day, especially dealing with old/used/vintage LEGO.
In General, Brickitty writes:
| | In General, steveschow writes:
| | I am running into counterfeit Super Battle Droid (sw0092) parts with a number
of different stores. I'm wondering how aggressive I need to be about pushing
for refunds when I get fake parts or is that a jerk move?
The arms are very easy to tell because LEGO prints their logo and part number
on the inside. The torsos and legs I haven't found any markings, but you
can tell that the pearl dark gray color is slightly off. It's slightly lighter
and looks less homogeneous/more streaky.
I don't really fault sellers and don't want to get them in trouble for
selling counterfeit pieces because I honestly don't think it's intentional,
but at the same time I don't want to be eating the cost for all these fake
parts that I can't use to list minifigures in my own store.
Any community thoughts on this? Just a cost of doing business or should I be
weeding these out of the system and getting refunds?
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As others have said, but to be even more direct: Those are not fakes. Period.
Yes, they came in different shades and some had those streaks, and yes, they
came with and without the Lego logo. In this situation, you would be the jerk
if you pursued refunds, given that those are genuine Lego parts.
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| | | | | Author: | tonnic | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 16:35 | | Subject: | Re: Off-brand Super Battle Droids are everywhere | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, steveschow writes:
| | I am running into counterfeit Super Battle Droid (sw0092) parts with a number
of different stores. I'm wondering how aggressive I need to be about pushing
for refunds when I get fake parts or is that a jerk move?
The arms are very easy to tell because LEGO prints their logo and part number
on the inside. The torsos and legs I haven't found any markings, but you
can tell that the pearl dark gray color is slightly off. It's slightly lighter
and looks less homogeneous/more streaky.
I don't really fault sellers and don't want to get them in trouble for
selling counterfeit pieces because I honestly don't think it's intentional,
but at the same time I don't want to be eating the cost for all these fake
parts that I can't use to list minifigures in my own store.
Any community thoughts on this? Just a cost of doing business or should I be
weeding these out of the system and getting refunds?
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Do not read this as unfriendly but sometimes buyers and sellers, you are both,
need to be more educated.
Check some forumposts about counterfeit, marks etc.
It would save you a lot of bad feelings.
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