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| | | | | Author: | tonnic | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 11:23 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Hello Catalog-Admins,
I have searched very long time for a printed 1x2x5 brick (2454) in black with
a silver printed picture of a Minifigure.
After a while I just tried to enter the search topic "Han Solo" because I thought
the image looks like him.
And wow - I found the brick. But it's listed under a Star Wars Minifigure:
[minifigure=sw0984]
Would it be maybe possible to move this item to the brick section instead of
leaving it in the Minifigure section? This is really confussion our Team here.
Regards,
Oliver.
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Let’s not change it since it changed before from (yes, your original thought
wasn’t too bad) brick decorated to minifig.
There have been quite some changes like these because a lot of BL users thought
it was easier to find it in the minifig section and, to be honest, I agree with
them.
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| | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 11:27 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Hello Catalog-Admins,
I have searched very long time for a printed 1x2x5 brick (2454) in black with
a silver printed picture of a Minifigure.
After a while I just tried to enter the search topic "Han Solo" because I thought
the image looks like him.
And wow - I found the brick. But it's listed under a Star Wars Minifigure:
[minifigure=sw0984]
Would it be maybe possible to move this item to the brick section instead of
leaving it in the Minifigure section? This is really confussion our Team here.
Regards,
Oliver.
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Not saying I necessarily agree with the categorisation but it is consistent:
Brick-built things that represent animate characters are considered "minifigures".
This one is also "brick built", although it's just a build of 1 brick 
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 11:41 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Hello Catalog-Admins,
I have searched very long time for a printed 1x2x5 brick (2454) in black with
a silver printed picture of a Minifigure.
After a while I just tried to enter the search topic "Han Solo" because I thought
the image looks like him.
And wow - I found the brick. But it's listed under a Star Wars Minifigure:
[minifigure=sw0984]
Would it be maybe possible to move this item to the brick section instead of
leaving it in the Minifigure section? This is really confussion our Team here.
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I felt as you do, until these discussions...
Read through these threads with input from some very smart members, including
two (former) cat-admins on the topic.
It may not change your view, but you'll get a better understanding of the
decision to keep the printed brick within the minifigure category.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1195172
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1195283
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1195284
-popsicle
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 16:01 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, popsicle writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Hello Catalog-Admins,
I have searched very long time for a printed 1x2x5 brick (2454) in black with
a silver printed picture of a Minifigure.
After a while I just tried to enter the search topic "Han Solo" because I thought
the image looks like him.
And wow - I found the brick. But it's listed under a Star Wars Minifigure:
[minifigure=sw0984]
Would it be maybe possible to move this item to the brick section instead of
leaving it in the Minifigure section? This is really confussion our Team here.
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I felt as you do, until these discussions...
Read through these threads with input from some very smart members, including
two (former) cat-admins on the topic.
It may not change your view, but you'll get a better understanding of the
decision to keep the printed brick within the minifigure category.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1195172
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1195283
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1195284
-popsicle
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Huh? So this one is still in Brick Decorated?
[P=46212pb001]
I thought it was fairly consistent but in that case it clearly is not...
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 16:11 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
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Huh? So this one is still in Brick Decorated?
[P=46212pb001]
I thought it was fairly consistent but in that case it clearly is not...
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This one is an image of a minifigure in a communication device, a “TV screen,”
not the minifigure itself. Therefore it’s a brick, not a minifigure.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 16:25 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | […]
Huh? So this one is still in Brick Decorated?
[P=46212pb001]
I thought it was fairly consistent but in that case it clearly is not...
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This one is an image of a minifigure in a communication device, a “TV screen,”
not the minifigure itself. Therefore it’s a brick, not a minifigure.
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+1 Thanks
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 16:35 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | […]
Huh? So this one is still in Brick Decorated?
[P=46212pb001]
I thought it was fairly consistent but in that case it clearly is not...
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This one is an image of a minifigure in a communication device, a “TV screen,”
not the minifigure itself. Therefore it’s a brick, not a minifigure.
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Ok, I posted that because I was assuming this one is a minifig:
But turns out it's a utensil - so OK, in that case it's consistent; neither
are minifigs. However, it does mean that if ever a real "minifigure-minifigure"
is released that represents a hologram (they do appear in SW movies so it could
be a matter of time), it should be in "Utensil" and not in "Minifigure". Will
be interesting to see if that will happen... a Utensil that is built with minifig
parts 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 16:57 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | […]
However, it does mean that if ever a real "minifigure-minifigure"
is released that represents a hologram (they do appear in SW movies so it could
be a matter of time), it should be in "Utensil" and not in "Minifigure". Will
be interesting to see if that will happen... a Utensil that is built with minifig
parts
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Don’t worry, if it happens, and if such a non-minifigure-made-of-minifigure-parts
is placed with the minifigures, I’ll find a rationalisation 
(For instance, we already have statues that are objects but made of minifig parts
and in the minifigure category: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?q=statue&catType=M&catID=
So it could be argued that those holograms are some sort of statues.
Or simply that they are minifigures because they are made of minifigure parts.)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 17:01 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | […]
However, it does mean that if ever a real "minifigure-minifigure"
is released that represents a hologram (they do appear in SW movies so it could
be a matter of time), it should be in "Utensil" and not in "Minifigure". Will
be interesting to see if that will happen... a Utensil that is built with minifig
parts
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Don’t worry, if it happens, and if such a non-minifigure-made-of-minifigure-parts
is placed with the minifigures, I’ll find a rationalisation
(For instance, we already have statues that are objects but made of minifig parts
and in the minifigure category: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?q=statue&catType=M&catID=
So it could be argued that those holograms are some sort of statues.
Or simply that they are minifigures because they are made of minifigure parts.)
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Aah yep statues, didn't think of them, good point! Was thinking about to
what extend droids are computers but decided not to be that fussy about it, but
statues are really pushing it... hmmm
IMO minifigures are things (animate or not) that are built from minifig parts,
since that's how TLG seems to define the minifigure, but very well. I'm
sure this happened for some reason and I'm sure we don't need a new debate
about it
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 17:09 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | […]
However, it does mean that if ever a real "minifigure-minifigure"
is released that represents a hologram (they do appear in SW movies so it could
be a matter of time), it should be in "Utensil" and not in "Minifigure". Will
be interesting to see if that will happen... a Utensil that is built with minifig
parts
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Don’t worry, if it happens, and if such a non-minifigure-made-of-minifigure-parts
is placed with the minifigures, I’ll find a rationalisation
(For instance, we already have statues that are objects but made of minifig parts
and in the minifigure category: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?q=statue&catType=M&catID=
So it could be argued that those holograms are some sort of statues.
Or simply that they are minifigures because they are made of minifigure parts.)
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Aah yep statues, didn't think of them, good point! Was thinking about to
what extend droids are computers but decided not to be that fussy about it, but
statues are really pushing it... hmmm
IMO minifigures are things (animate or not) that are built from minifig parts,
since that's how TLG seems to define the minifigure, but very well.
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Oh yes, the simple and straitghtforward reason “because LEGO says so.” I forgot
about it!
And I think it’s actually the one used for the catalogue, no need to search further
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sure this happened for some reason and I'm sure we don't need a new debate
about it
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Hmm, I wonder how many holograms of minifigures can stand on a pin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 17:49 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | […]
However, it does mean that if ever a real "minifigure-minifigure"
is released that represents a hologram (they do appear in SW movies so it could
be a matter of time), it should be in "Utensil" and not in "Minifigure". Will
be interesting to see if that will happen... a Utensil that is built with minifig
parts
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Don’t worry, if it happens, and if such a non-minifigure-made-of-minifigure-parts
is placed with the minifigures, I’ll find a rationalisation
(For instance, we already have statues that are objects but made of minifig parts
and in the minifigure category: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?q=statue&catType=M&catID=
So it could be argued that those holograms are some sort of statues.
Or simply that they are minifigures because they are made of minifigure parts.)
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Aah yep statues, didn't think of them, good point! Was thinking about to
what extend droids are computers but decided not to be that fussy about it, but
statues are really pushing it... hmmm
IMO minifigures are things (animate or not) that are built from minifig parts,
since that's how TLG seems to define the minifigure, but very well.
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Oh yes, the simple and straitghtforward reason “because LEGO says so.” I forgot
about it!
And I think it’s actually the one used for the catalogue, no need to search further
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Well, Lego created maxifigures (although I guess they didn't call them that)
and minifigures. AFAIK the term "minifigure" refers to the fact they're smaller
than the older maxifigures, and they are built with minifigure parts. So in this
case it's actually a pretty precise term and I think it's a fair reason
to honour TLG's meaning of the word, which is otherwise a non-existent word
anyway. Aaand.. we'd call the other stuff... brickyfigures...? ehh, I don't
know
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 18:03 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| And don't mention faceless clocks, stoves or wardrobes ...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 21:26 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | And don't mention faceless clocks, stoves or wardrobes ...
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We have some work to do on those. Believe me, they will not be around forever.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 03:11 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | And don't mention faceless clocks, stoves or wardrobes ...
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We have some work to do on those. Believe me, they will not be around forever.
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That's good if these non-minifigures get removed from the minifigs category.
I don't agree with the versions with faces going there although can just
about understand it, but when they have no faces so are not the characters,
it is ludicrous.
What about all the Cars cars? Will LEGO Bricklink still refer to them as minifigures?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 10:40 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | And don't mention faceless clocks, stoves or wardrobes ...
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We have some work to do on those. Believe me, they will not be around forever.
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That's good if these non-minifigures get removed from the minifigs category.
I don't agree with the versions with faces going there although can just
about understand it, but when they have no faces so are not the characters,
it is ludicrous.
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The versions with stickered faces will most likely remain as figures, but they
will be relegated to the Counterparts section of inventories. Basically, the
versions without the stickers are nothing, and they only become figures when
the stickers are applied. Since using the stickers makes them used, they cannot
be part of the Regular Items section of inventories.
| | What about all the Cars cars? Will LEGO Bricklink still refer to them as minifigures?
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Yes.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 16:26 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, popsicle writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Hello Catalog-Admins,
I have searched very long time for a printed 1x2x5 brick (2454) in black with
a silver printed picture of a Minifigure.
After a while I just tried to enter the search topic "Han Solo" because I thought
the image looks like him.
And wow - I found the brick. But it's listed under a Star Wars Minifigure:
[minifigure=sw0984]
Would it be maybe possible to move this item to the brick section instead of
leaving it in the Minifigure section? This is really confussion our Team here.
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I felt as you do, until these discussions...
Read through these threads with input from some very smart members, including
two (former) cat-admins on the topic.
It may not change your view, but you'll get a better understanding of the
decision to keep the printed brick within the minifigure category.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1195172
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1195283
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1195284
-popsicle
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Huh? So this one is still in Brick Decorated?
[P=46212pb001]
I thought it was fairly consistent but in that case it clearly is not...
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So I thought as well, until shown the rationale.
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| | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 14:02 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 14:03 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Hello Catalog-Admins,
I have searched very long time for a printed 1x2x5 brick (2454) in black with
a silver printed picture of a Minifigure.
After a while I just tried to enter the search topic "Han Solo" because I thought
the image looks like him.
And wow - I found the brick. But it's listed under a Star Wars Minifigure:
[minifigure=sw0984]
Would it be maybe possible to move this item to the brick section instead of
leaving it in the Minifigure section? This is really confussion our Team here.
Regards,
Oliver.
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I agree that it is technically a decorated brick.
Personally, I like it where it is purely because of this item;
[m=sw0978]
Have you team make a mental note to search "carbonite" when they encounter again
and there are only a few options in the results.
Some of these figures that there are 30+ versions of are starting to require
some additional search terms to find quickly.
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| | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 17:23 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 17:26 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, runner.caller writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Hello Catalog-Admins,
I have searched very long time for a printed 1x2x5 brick (2454) in black with
a silver printed picture of a Minifigure.
After a while I just tried to enter the search topic "Han Solo" because I thought
the image looks like him.
And wow - I found the brick. But it's listed under a Star Wars Minifigure:
[minifigure=sw0984]
Would it be maybe possible to move this item to the brick section instead of
leaving it in the Minifigure section? This is really confussion our Team here.
Regards,
Oliver.
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I agree that it is technically a decorated brick.
Personally, I like it where it is purely because of this item;
[m=sw0978]
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An analogy I hadn't considered. Which for me, further strengthens the cat-admin's
rationale in keeping the decorated brick in the minifig category.
Thanks.
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Have you team make a mental note to search "carbonite" when they encounter again
and there are only a few options in the results.
Some of these figures that there are 30+ versions of are starting to require
some additional search terms to find quickly.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2023 23:03 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| | | | | In Catalog Requests, runner.caller writes:
I agree that it is technically a decorated brick.
Personally, I like it where it is purely because of this item;
[m=sw0978]
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In Catalog Requests, popsicle writes:
An analogy I hadn't considered. Which for me, further strengthens the cat-admin's
rationale in keeping the decorated brick in the minifig category.
Thanks.
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I guess it's not a minifigure any more.
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| | | | | Author: | leggodtshop | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 18:24 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Hello Catalog-Admins,
I have searched very long time for a printed 1x2x5 brick (2454) in black with
a silver printed picture of a Minifigure.
After a while I just tried to enter the search topic "Han Solo" because I thought
the image looks like him.
And wow - I found the brick. But it's listed under a Star Wars Minifigure:
[minifigure=sw0984]
Would it be maybe possible to move this item to the brick section instead of
leaving it in the Minifigure section? This is really confussion our Team here.
Regards,
Oliver.
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I would say it could be both, a brick and a minifigure. Technically it is a brick,
functionally it is a minifigure. However BrickLink allows only one catagory for
each item, which is a technical limitation. When searching for items it would
be helpfull if items could be linked to more than one category.
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| | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 18:34 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, patpendlego writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Hello Catalog-Admins,
I have searched very long time for a printed 1x2x5 brick (2454) in black with
a silver printed picture of a Minifigure.
After a while I just tried to enter the search topic "Han Solo" because I thought
the image looks like him.
And wow - I found the brick. But it's listed under a Star Wars Minifigure:
[minifigure=sw0984]
Would it be maybe possible to move this item to the brick section instead of
leaving it in the Minifigure section? This is really confussion our Team here.
Regards,
Oliver.
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I would say it could be both, a brick and a minifigure. Technically it is a brick,
functionally it is a minifigure. However BrickLink allows only one catagory for
each item, which is a technical limitation. When searching for items it would
be helpfull if items could be linked to more than one category.
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I like the out-of-the-box thinking. Why not give the item two equally logical
search categories? As numerous other items would benefit from, too.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 05:53 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, patpendlego writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Hello Catalog-Admins,
I have searched very long time for a printed 1x2x5 brick (2454) in black with
a silver printed picture of a Minifigure.
After a while I just tried to enter the search topic "Han Solo" because I thought
the image looks like him.
And wow - I found the brick. But it's listed under a Star Wars Minifigure:
[minifigure=sw0984]
Would it be maybe possible to move this item to the brick section instead of
leaving it in the Minifigure section? This is really confussion our Team here.
Regards,
Oliver.
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I would say it could be both, a brick and a minifigure. Technically it is a brick,
functionally it is a minifigure. However BrickLink allows only one catagory for
each item, which is a technical limitation. When searching for items it would
be helpfull if items could be linked to more than one category.
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Not really a technical limitation.. I wouldn't want to browse the same stuff
twice when I'm shopping and I don't want to have two places to look for
it when I'm selling. Otherwise it would be like a supermarket with the same
products in multiple places.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 07:12 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, patpendlego writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Hello Catalog-Admins,
I have searched very long time for a printed 1x2x5 brick (2454) in black with
a silver printed picture of a Minifigure.
After a while I just tried to enter the search topic "Han Solo" because I thought
the image looks like him.
And wow - I found the brick. But it's listed under a Star Wars Minifigure:
[minifigure=sw0984]
Would it be maybe possible to move this item to the brick section instead of
leaving it in the Minifigure section? This is really confussion our Team here.
Regards,
Oliver.
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I would say it could be both, a brick and a minifigure. Technically it is a brick,
functionally it is a minifigure. However BrickLink allows only one catagory for
each item, which is a technical limitation. When searching for items it would
be helpfull if items could be linked to more than one category.
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Not really a technical limitation.. I wouldn't want to browse the same stuff
twice when I'm shopping and I don't want to have two places to look for
it when I'm selling. Otherwise it would be like a supermarket with the same
products in multiple places.
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I guess here it depends if it is two distinct entries, or one entry with two
or more locations. Two distinct entries is a pain, especially as this leads to
different prices and desirability even though they are the same thing.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 08:22 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | I guess here it depends if it is two distinct entries, or one entry with two
or more locations. Two distinct entries is a pain, especially as this leads to
different prices and desirability even though they are the same thing.
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Definitely not two distinct entries, one entry in two categories. I think it
can be done (I've worked in relational databases for my entire professional
career *checks notes* wow over 25 years now, yikes) but it wouldn't be easy.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 11:10 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | I guess here it depends if it is two distinct entries, or one entry with two
or more locations. Two distinct entries is a pain, especially as this leads to
different prices and desirability even though they are the same thing.
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Definitely not two distinct entries, one entry in two categories. I think it
can be done (I've worked in relational databases for my entire professional
career *checks notes* wow over 25 years now, yikes) but it wouldn't be easy.
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I was assuming one entry, I would not even want to start thinking about how many
problems 2 would give - as a programmer that did not cross my mind as an option
Having it as 1 entry is problematic enough; you'd browse a store and encounter
every part several times. Plus the whole concept of category taxonomy becomes
redundant when things start to overlap, which basically means starting an entirely
new catalog from scratch. Better create a tag system then and retain the category
locations.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 14:17 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | Having it as 1 entry is problematic enough; you'd browse a store and encounter
every part several times. Plus the whole concept of category taxonomy becomes
redundant when things start to overlap, which basically means starting an entirely
new catalog from scratch. Better create a tag system then and retain the category
locations.
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You wouldn't encounter the part several times, just possibly twice. The number
of items this would apply to is very small - it could only be minifigures made
up of a single piece - so you wouldn't allow everything to have a one-to-many
relationship with top-level categories, just a very small number of items with
two top-level categories. Again, tricky but doable, and if done right, not confusing.
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| | | | | Author: | BricksShop | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 22:27 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| You're wonderful - so many input, ideas, links and meaning.
Now I am completely confused. I always thought simple thinking is the best -
brick is brick and minifigure is something else?
Anyhow now we know that we have to search also other things with an image / hologram
(or what else) of a minifigure also in the minifigure section. Really funny for
us, but we won't die because of getting some knots into our brains. 
Have a great LEGO time,
Oliver from Bricks-Shop.
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| | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2021 23:02 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 87 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | You're wonderful - so many input, ideas, links and meaning.
Now I am completely confused.
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Welcome to the rest of us
| | I always thought simple thinking is the best - brick is brick and minifigure is something else?
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"simple thinking" is never "the best" It's a misuse of the single most wondrous
article in the known universe: the human mind. Simple approaches to problems
through complex thought, perhaps.
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Anyhow now we know that we have to search also other things with an image / hologram
(or what else) of a minifigure also in the minifigure section. Really funny for
us, but we won't die because of getting some knots into our brains.
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It's just Lego, I'm sure you'll survive...
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 04:36 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Anyhow now we know that we have to search also other things with an image / hologram
(or what else) of a minifigure also in the minifigure section
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Uhm, no, the point was that those are not in the minifig section. Because
they do not represent the minifigs themselves, they represent lifeless images/holograms
of minifigs and therefore are not minifigs.
However, statues appear to be the exception....
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 07:06 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Anyhow now we know that we have to search also other things with an image / hologram
(or what else) of a minifigure also in the minifigure section
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Uhm, no, the point was that those are not in the minifig section. Because
they do not represent the minifigs themselves, they represent lifeless images/holograms
of minifigs and therefore are not minifigs.
However, statues appear to be the exception....
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Strictly that should be statues made up from minifigure parts. For example this
one is not a minifigure [p=3069bpb0613]
The problem with allowing bricks showing frozen characters but disallowing holograms
is that you have to know the movie / story behind the piece to know what/where
it should be. You cannot look at it, see a decorated brick and expect it to be
a decorated brick.
That is what is good about minifigure based statues being in minifigures. You
see an assembly made from minifigure parts and can assume it is a minifigure
in the catalogue.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 10:43 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | The problem with allowing bricks showing frozen characters but disallowing holograms
is that you have to know the movie / story behind the piece to know what/where
it should be. You cannot look at it, see a decorated brick and expect it to be
a decorated brick.
That is what is good about minifigure based statues being in minifigures. You
see an assembly made from minifigure parts and can assume it is a minifigure
in the catalogue.
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I really like this explanation.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 11:04 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Anyhow now we know that we have to search also other things with an image / hologram
(or what else) of a minifigure also in the minifigure section
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Uhm, no, the point was that those are not in the minifig section. Because
they do not represent the minifigs themselves, they represent lifeless images/holograms
of minifigs and therefore are not minifigs.
However, statues appear to be the exception....
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Strictly that should be statues made up from minifigure parts. For example this
one is not a minifigure [p=3069bpb0613]
The problem with allowing bricks showing frozen characters but disallowing holograms
is that you have to know the movie / story behind the piece to know what/where
it should be. You cannot look at it, see a decorated brick and expect it to be
a decorated brick.
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+1 I wonder how this problem can be solved under the current minifigure definition
philosophy.. (I think it can't, since the whole basis seems to be whether
something is animate)
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That is what is good about minifigure based statues being in minifigures. You
see an assembly made from minifigure parts and can assume it is a minifigure
in the catalogue.
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Hmm I see, so we have two definitions of minifigures mixed together: Assemblies
of minifigure parts, OR more-or-less animated characters regardless of how they
are built.
If it were my catalog minifigs would be just minifig part assemblies, I'd
put anything brick-built in some brick figure category...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 11:13 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Anyhow now we know that we have to search also other things with an image / hologram
(or what else) of a minifigure also in the minifigure section
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Uhm, no, the point was that those are not in the minifig section. Because
they do not represent the minifigs themselves, they represent lifeless images/holograms
of minifigs and therefore are not minifigs.
However, statues appear to be the exception....
|
Strictly that should be statues made up from minifigure parts. For example this
one is not a minifigure [p=3069bpb0613]
The problem with allowing bricks showing frozen characters but disallowing holograms
is that you have to know the movie / story behind the piece to know what/where
it should be. You cannot look at it, see a decorated brick and expect it to be
a decorated brick.
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+1 I wonder how this problem can be solved under the current minifigure definition
philosophy.. (I think it can't, since the whole basis seems to be whether
something is animate)
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A catalog practice that we were discussing a few months ago was to number all
minifigures that are only a single part using the standard part number scheme.
This is already done for all the microfigures and nanofigures. In this way, the
items remain minifigures, but they are able to be searched and discovered using
the standard part number search. I think this is the approach that I am going
to go in for this carbonite brick that is being discussed in this thread.
| | | | That is what is good about minifigure based statues being in minifigures. You
see an assembly made from minifigure parts and can assume it is a minifigure
in the catalogue.
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Hmm I see, so we have two definitions of minifigures mixed together: Assemblies
of minifigure parts, OR more-or-less animated characters regardless of how they
are built.
If it were my catalog minifigs would be just minifig part assemblies, I'd
put anything brick-built in some brick figure category...
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The admin team wanted the term changed to "Figure" throughout the site so that
the wide definition of a figure would be all-encompassing, but the site made
the decision to keep the term as "Minifigure" because LEGO purchased BrickLink
and owns the term. It is what it is.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 11:27 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Anyhow now we know that we have to search also other things with an image / hologram
(or what else) of a minifigure also in the minifigure section
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Uhm, no, the point was that those are not in the minifig section. Because
they do not represent the minifigs themselves, they represent lifeless images/holograms
of minifigs and therefore are not minifigs.
However, statues appear to be the exception....
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Strictly that should be statues made up from minifigure parts. For example this
one is not a minifigure [p=3069bpb0613]
The problem with allowing bricks showing frozen characters but disallowing holograms
is that you have to know the movie / story behind the piece to know what/where
it should be. You cannot look at it, see a decorated brick and expect it to be
a decorated brick.
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+1 I wonder how this problem can be solved under the current minifigure definition
philosophy.. (I think it can't, since the whole basis seems to be whether
something is animate)
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A catalog practice that we were discussing a few months ago was to number all
minifigures that are only a single part using the standard part number scheme.
This is already done for all the microfigures and nanofigures. In this way, the
items remain minifigures, but they are able to be searched and discovered using
the standard part number search. I think this is the approach that I am going
to go in for this carbonite brick that is being discussed in this thread.
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Hmm, good one, I guess that would help. After all, anything consisting of multiple
parts is either going to be not in the catalog at all or a (mini)figure by definition.
| | | | | | That is what is good about minifigure based statues being in minifigures. You
see an assembly made from minifigure parts and can assume it is a minifigure
in the catalogue.
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Hmm I see, so we have two definitions of minifigures mixed together: Assemblies
of minifigure parts, OR more-or-less animated characters regardless of how they
are built.
If it were my catalog minifigs would be just minifig part assemblies, I'd
put anything brick-built in some brick figure category...
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The admin team wanted the term changed to "Figure" throughout the site so that
the wide definition of a figure would be all-encompassing, but the site made
the decision to keep the term as "Minifigure" because LEGO purchased BrickLink
and owns the term. It is what it is.
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If "minifigure" would be ditched completely then yes, I agree that wouldn't
be desirable, but if it's about a category that contains minifigure-part-assemblies
as well as other kinds of figures, I think it's the only logical name.
If it was up to me, I would do one of these two things:
- Make a figure category and have "minfigure" as a subcategory referring to minifigure-part-assemblies
only, regardless of what they represent (but we can't have subcategories..)
- Make another category and call it something like "Other figure", "Brick figure"
or "Misc figure", and move all non-minifigure figures in there.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 11:34 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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The admin team wanted the term changed to "Figure" throughout the site so that
the wide definition of a figure would be all-encompassing, but the site made
the decision to keep the term as "Minifigure" because LEGO purchased BrickLink
and owns the term. It is what it is.
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This I the weird thing to me. LEGO are protective of the term minifigure and
are careful how it is used. They don't refer to some characters as minifigures,
since they have no minifigure parts. Droids and so on do not get called minifigures.
They wrote character rather than minifigure on the TLM cmfs as one of them was
Unikitty, which is not a minifigure. LEGO seem to be so careful, yet here a single
decorated brick like Rick is a minifigure, a decorated 1x1 brick with a 1x1 round
plate on top is a minifigure, a car with a face is a minifigure, ... all could
be called characters but should not be called minifigures.
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| | | | | Author: | pitz8008 | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 06:23 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Hello Catalog-Admins,
I have searched very long time for a printed 1x2x5 brick (2454) in black with
a silver printed picture of a Minifigure.
After a while I just tried to enter the search topic "Han Solo" because I thought
the image looks like him.
And wow - I found the brick. But it's listed under a Star Wars Minifigure:
[minifigure=sw0984]
Would it be maybe possible to move this item to the brick section instead of
leaving it in the Minifigure section? This is really confussion our Team here.
Regards,
Oliver.
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It's extremely dumb that this part was moved from brick to minifigure. 100
out of 100 people who come across this part in a tub of Legos (and not knowing
it is listed as a figure), would search the brick decorated category to get the
part number to list it.
K.I.S.S.
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| | | | | | | Author: | crazylegoman | | Posted: | Aug 10, 2021 16:28 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog Requests, pitz8008 writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, BricksShop writes:
| | Hello Catalog-Admins,
I have searched very long time for a printed 1x2x5 brick (2454) in black with
a silver printed picture of a Minifigure.
After a while I just tried to enter the search topic "Han Solo" because I thought
the image looks like him.
And wow - I found the brick. But it's listed under a Star Wars Minifigure:
[minifigure=sw0984]
Would it be maybe possible to move this item to the brick section instead of
leaving it in the Minifigure section? This is really confussion our Team here.
Regards,
Oliver.
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It's extremely dumb that this part was moved from brick to minifigure. 100
out of 100 people who come across this part in a tub of Legos (and not knowing
it is listed as a figure), would search the brick decorated category to get the
part number to list it.
K.I.S.S.
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I agree with this 100%.
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| | | | | Author: | wahiggin | | Posted: | Aug 11, 2021 18:04 | | Subject: | Re: Why is a brick with Han Solo a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| I noticed this change yesterday when I went to list this part. I was going to
put the part with my minifigs anyway, so I was glad to see the change. Plus
they also have the alternate part number listed as well. I like the new method
with the minifigure taking priority over the part listing.
[m=sw0978]
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