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 Author: ProneToDrift View Messages Posted By ProneToDrift
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Bringing this back, since the issue is coming up frequently for me again.

Dear BrickLink admin folks,

It would be greatly appreciated if a different system for listing Kraata (and/or
other dual color molded parts) could be implemented. BIOSector has detailed descriptions
of each Kraata color pairing, which in theory should make it easy to create a
drop down menu based on the head and tail colors.

As an example:
Say I have a stage 1 Kraata that has a metallic green head. I select “Stage 1”,
then “Head Color: Metallic Green/Lemon Metallic.” (Listing the most common name
for the color and then the official LEGO name for that color). Then I click “Tail
Color:” and am presented with a short drop-down list of possible tail colors,
which in this instance are “Lime/Bright Yellowish-Green”, “Dark Green”, “Metallic
Blue/Sand Blue Metallic”, “Red/Bright Red”, and “Dark Grey Metallic”. (These
are the only 5 tail colors that are paired with a metallic green head.)
The final listing title would look like this:
“Stage 1 Kraata: Lemon Metallic Head, Bright Yellowish Green Tail”

Implementing a system like this would ensure that sellers clearly disclose both
colors of the item before posting, rather than being able to list only the stage
and head color and ignore the instruction to “describe the rest.” Many Kraata
listings do not describe the rest of the item; in fact, many of them leave the
description blank, making their listing functionally worthless. Unless I contact
each and every one of those sellers to ask about their one specific item, there
is no way for me to know if it is an item I am interested in.

As a result, a great many items that people have listed in hopes of selling get
passed over and ignored, due primarily to seller error, but it would be really
helpful to us collectors and customers to be able to get a clear and standardized
system in place to help us make informed purchases.

Thank you for reading!
- ProneToDrift
 
 Author: WOLKsite View Messages Posted By WOLKsite
 Posted: May 9, 2021 03:27
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In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  It would be greatly appreciated if a different system for listing Kraata (and/or
other dual color molded parts) could be implemented. BIOSector has detailed descriptions
of each Kraata color pairing, which in theory should make it easy to create a
drop down menu based on the head and tail colors.

https://biosector01.com/wiki/Kraata_Powers The list, for your convenience.

To further clarify each individual color there:
Bright Red: Red
Bright Blue: Blue
Bright Yellow: Yellow
White: White
Dark Green: Green
Black: Black

Bright Orange: Orange
Medium Blue: Medium Blue
Brick Yellow: Tan
Grey: Light Gray
Bright Yellowish Green: Lime
Dark Grey: Dark Gray

Reddish Gold: Copper (Like in Knight's Kingdom II, not Exo-Force
or the 2017-2020 one)

Sand Blue Metallic: Metal Blue
Sand Yellow Metallic: Flat Dark Gold
Light Grey Metallic: Pearl Very Light Gray
Lemon Metallic: (Pearl) Metallic Green
Dark Grey Metallic: (Old) Pearl Dark Grey
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: May 9, 2021 07:56
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In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Bringing this back, since the issue is coming up frequently for me again.

Dear BrickLink admin folks,

It would be greatly appreciated if a different system for listing Kraata (and/or
other dual color molded parts) could be implemented. BIOSector has detailed descriptions
of each Kraata color pairing, which in theory should make it easy to create a
drop down menu based on the head and tail colors.

As an example:
Say I have a stage 1 Kraata that has a metallic green head. I select “Stage 1”,
then “Head Color: Metallic Green/Lemon Metallic.” (Listing the most common name
for the color and then the official LEGO name for that color). Then I click “Tail
Color:” and am presented with a short drop-down list of possible tail colors,
which in this instance are “Lime/Bright Yellowish-Green”, “Dark Green”, “Metallic
Blue/Sand Blue Metallic”, “Red/Bright Red”, and “Dark Grey Metallic”. (These
are the only 5 tail colors that are paired with a metallic green head.)
The final listing title would look like this:
“Stage 1 Kraata: Lemon Metallic Head, Bright Yellowish Green Tail”

Implementing a system like this would ensure that sellers clearly disclose both
colors of the item before posting, rather than being able to list only the stage
and head color and ignore the instruction to “describe the rest.” Many Kraata
listings do not describe the rest of the item; in fact, many of them leave the
description blank, making their listing functionally worthless. Unless I contact
each and every one of those sellers to ask about their one specific item, there
is no way for me to know if it is an item I am interested in.

As a result, a great many items that people have listed in hopes of selling get
passed over and ignored, due primarily to seller error, but it would be really
helpful to us collectors and customers to be able to get a clear and standardized
system in place to help us make informed purchases.

So you think that bricklink needs a complete rewrite to allow parts to have multiple
colours per part rather than just adding these in the description? It seems unlikely
somehow.

I don't really see the issue either. To me, it looks like the vast majority
of these have the correct colour selected then either a description of the tail
colour, or a photograph of the pieces. If they don't then ask or just ignore
them.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: May 9, 2021 12:42
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I don't believe the site is going to do a code rewrite for one group of parts
in a catalog that has over 125,000 items and growing. Just saying.


In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Bringing this back, since the issue is coming up frequently for me again.

Dear BrickLink admin folks,

It would be greatly appreciated if a different system for listing Kraata (and/or
other dual color molded parts) could be implemented. BIOSector has detailed descriptions
of each Kraata color pairing, which in theory should make it easy to create a
drop down menu based on the head and tail colors.

As an example:
Say I have a stage 1 Kraata that has a metallic green head. I select “Stage 1”,
then “Head Color: Metallic Green/Lemon Metallic.” (Listing the most common name
for the color and then the official LEGO name for that color). Then I click “Tail
Color:” and am presented with a short drop-down list of possible tail colors,
which in this instance are “Lime/Bright Yellowish-Green”, “Dark Green”, “Metallic
Blue/Sand Blue Metallic”, “Red/Bright Red”, and “Dark Grey Metallic”. (These
are the only 5 tail colors that are paired with a metallic green head.)
The final listing title would look like this:
“Stage 1 Kraata: Lemon Metallic Head, Bright Yellowish Green Tail”

Implementing a system like this would ensure that sellers clearly disclose both
colors of the item before posting, rather than being able to list only the stage
and head color and ignore the instruction to “describe the rest.” Many Kraata
listings do not describe the rest of the item; in fact, many of them leave the
description blank, making their listing functionally worthless. Unless I contact
each and every one of those sellers to ask about their one specific item, there
is no way for me to know if it is an item I am interested in.

As a result, a great many items that people have listed in hopes of selling get
passed over and ignored, due primarily to seller error, but it would be really
helpful to us collectors and customers to be able to get a clear and standardized
system in place to help us make informed purchases.

Thank you for reading!
- ProneToDrift
 Author: macebobo View Messages Posted By macebobo
 Posted: May 10, 2021 00:23
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In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Bringing this back, since the issue is coming up frequently for me again.

Dear BrickLink admin folks,

It would be greatly appreciated if a different system for listing Kraata (and/or
other dual color molded parts) could be implemented. BIOSector has detailed descriptions
of each Kraata color pairing, which in theory should make it easy to create a
drop down menu based on the head and tail colors.

As an example:
Say I have a stage 1 Kraata that has a metallic green head. I select “Stage 1”,
then “Head Color: Metallic Green/Lemon Metallic.” (Listing the most common name
for the color and then the official LEGO name for that color). Then I click “Tail
Color:” and am presented with a short drop-down list of possible tail colors,
which in this instance are “Lime/Bright Yellowish-Green”, “Dark Green”, “Metallic
Blue/Sand Blue Metallic”, “Red/Bright Red”, and “Dark Grey Metallic”. (These
are the only 5 tail colors that are paired with a metallic green head.)
The final listing title would look like this:
“Stage 1 Kraata: Lemon Metallic Head, Bright Yellowish Green Tail”

Implementing a system like this would ensure that sellers clearly disclose both
colors of the item before posting, rather than being able to list only the stage
and head color and ignore the instruction to “describe the rest.” Many Kraata
listings do not describe the rest of the item; in fact, many of them leave the
description blank, making their listing functionally worthless. Unless I contact
each and every one of those sellers to ask about their one specific item, there
is no way for me to know if it is an item I am interested in.

As a result, a great many items that people have listed in hopes of selling get
passed over and ignored, due primarily to seller error, but it would be really
helpful to us collectors and customers to be able to get a clear and standardized
system in place to help us make informed purchases.

Thank you for reading!
- ProneToDrift

You've made it to the funny pages.

http://v4ei.com/comics/index.php?id=dual&check=2105s
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Lovely.

As a point of reference, I have no experience with coding. I wasn't advocating
for a complete site overhaul; in theory my idea is simple. If it isn't viable
in practice, a practical "that's too much work for too little gain" would
be sufficient.

In Suggestions, macebobo writes:
  In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Bringing this back, since the issue is coming up frequently for me again.

Dear BrickLink admin folks,

It would be greatly appreciated if a different system for listing Kraata (and/or
other dual color molded parts) could be implemented. BIOSector has detailed descriptions
of each Kraata color pairing, which in theory should make it easy to create a
drop down menu based on the head and tail colors.

As an example:
Say I have a stage 1 Kraata that has a metallic green head. I select “Stage 1”,
then “Head Color: Metallic Green/Lemon Metallic.” (Listing the most common name
for the color and then the official LEGO name for that color). Then I click “Tail
Color:” and am presented with a short drop-down list of possible tail colors,
which in this instance are “Lime/Bright Yellowish-Green”, “Dark Green”, “Metallic
Blue/Sand Blue Metallic”, “Red/Bright Red”, and “Dark Grey Metallic”. (These
are the only 5 tail colors that are paired with a metallic green head.)
The final listing title would look like this:
“Stage 1 Kraata: Lemon Metallic Head, Bright Yellowish Green Tail”

Implementing a system like this would ensure that sellers clearly disclose both
colors of the item before posting, rather than being able to list only the stage
and head color and ignore the instruction to “describe the rest.” Many Kraata
listings do not describe the rest of the item; in fact, many of them leave the
description blank, making their listing functionally worthless. Unless I contact
each and every one of those sellers to ask about their one specific item, there
is no way for me to know if it is an item I am interested in.

As a result, a great many items that people have listed in hopes of selling get
passed over and ignored, due primarily to seller error, but it would be really
helpful to us collectors and customers to be able to get a clear and standardized
system in place to help us make informed purchases.

Thank you for reading!
- ProneToDrift

You've made it to the funny pages.

http://v4ei.com/comics/index.php?id=dual&check=2105s
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
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I have no idea what a kraata is, but are they random packed in sets? Sounds
like there aren't a lot of variations. So why don't we just add all
the variations to the catalog and make them alternates in sets?

In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Bringing this back, since the issue is coming up frequently for me again.

Dear BrickLink admin folks,

It would be greatly appreciated if a different system for listing Kraata (and/or
other dual color molded parts) could be implemented. BIOSector has detailed descriptions
of each Kraata color pairing, which in theory should make it easy to create a
drop down menu based on the head and tail colors.

As an example:
Say I have a stage 1 Kraata that has a metallic green head. I select “Stage 1”,
then “Head Color: Metallic Green/Lemon Metallic.” (Listing the most common name
for the color and then the official LEGO name for that color). Then I click “Tail
Color:” and am presented with a short drop-down list of possible tail colors,
which in this instance are “Lime/Bright Yellowish-Green”, “Dark Green”, “Metallic
Blue/Sand Blue Metallic”, “Red/Bright Red”, and “Dark Grey Metallic”. (These
are the only 5 tail colors that are paired with a metallic green head.)
The final listing title would look like this:
“Stage 1 Kraata: Lemon Metallic Head, Bright Yellowish Green Tail”

Implementing a system like this would ensure that sellers clearly disclose both
colors of the item before posting, rather than being able to list only the stage
and head color and ignore the instruction to “describe the rest.” Many Kraata
listings do not describe the rest of the item; in fact, many of them leave the
description blank, making their listing functionally worthless. Unless I contact
each and every one of those sellers to ask about their one specific item, there
is no way for me to know if it is an item I am interested in.

As a result, a great many items that people have listed in hopes of selling get
passed over and ignored, due primarily to seller error, but it would be really
helpful to us collectors and customers to be able to get a clear and standardized
system in place to help us make informed purchases.

Thank you for reading!
- ProneToDrift
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In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  I have no idea what a kraata is, but are they random packed in sets? Sounds
like there aren't a lot of variations. So why don't we just add all
the variations to the catalog and make them alternates in sets?


As I understand it there are 42 color variations for each of the 6 different
kraata stages, which would mean adding 252 items to the catalog.



  In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Bringing this back, since the issue is coming up frequently for me again.

Dear BrickLink admin folks,

It would be greatly appreciated if a different system for listing Kraata (and/or
other dual color molded parts) could be implemented. BIOSector has detailed descriptions
of each Kraata color pairing, which in theory should make it easy to create a
drop down menu based on the head and tail colors.

As an example:
Say I have a stage 1 Kraata that has a metallic green head. I select “Stage 1”,
then “Head Color: Metallic Green/Lemon Metallic.” (Listing the most common name
for the color and then the official LEGO name for that color). Then I click “Tail
Color:” and am presented with a short drop-down list of possible tail colors,
which in this instance are “Lime/Bright Yellowish-Green”, “Dark Green”, “Metallic
Blue/Sand Blue Metallic”, “Red/Bright Red”, and “Dark Grey Metallic”. (These
are the only 5 tail colors that are paired with a metallic green head.)
The final listing title would look like this:
“Stage 1 Kraata: Lemon Metallic Head, Bright Yellowish Green Tail”

Implementing a system like this would ensure that sellers clearly disclose both
colors of the item before posting, rather than being able to list only the stage
and head color and ignore the instruction to “describe the rest.” Many Kraata
listings do not describe the rest of the item; in fact, many of them leave the
description blank, making their listing functionally worthless. Unless I contact
each and every one of those sellers to ask about their one specific item, there
is no way for me to know if it is an item I am interested in.

As a result, a great many items that people have listed in hopes of selling get
passed over and ignored, due primarily to seller error, but it would be really
helpful to us collectors and customers to be able to get a clear and standardized
system in place to help us make informed purchases.

Thank you for reading!
- ProneToDrift
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In Suggestions, joesecc writes:
  As I understand it there are 42 color variations for each of the 6 different
kraata stages, which would mean adding 252 items to the catalog.


That does sound like lot.
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In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  In Suggestions, joesecc writes:
  As I understand it there are 42 color variations for each of the 6 different
kraata stages, which would mean adding 252 items to the catalog.


That does sound like lot.

Sounds like a great new project for you.

At least there is some excellent reference.
https://biosector01.com/wiki/Kraata_Powers
https://www.reddit.com/r/bioniclelego/comments/eux4oy/i_am_now_just_one_kraata_short_of_a_full/
https://bionicle.fandom.com/wiki/Kraata
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In Suggestions, Turez writes:
  https://biosector01.com/wiki/Kraata_Powers

Can you tell me what reddish gold and light gray metallic are?
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In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  In Suggestions, Turez writes:
  https://biosector01.com/wiki/Kraata_Powers

Can you tell me what reddish gold and light gray metallic are?

Light gray metallic:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/15095368701/

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=P&colorPart=119


Reddish gold:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14948075737/

Listed under copper on BrickLink.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=P&colorPart=84
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In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  In Suggestions, joesecc writes:
  As I understand it there are 42 color variations for each of the 6 different
kraata stages, which would mean adding 252 items to the catalog.


That does sound like lot.

But there is no need for 252 catalog items, probably as there are different base
colors a lot can be under the same entry in different color...?
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In Suggestions, Stellar writes:
  In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  In Suggestions, joesecc writes:
  As I understand it there are 42 color variations for each of the 6 different
kraata stages, which would mean adding 252 items to the catalog.


That does sound like lot.

But there is no need for 252 catalog items, probably as there are different base
colors a lot can be under the same entry in different color...?

Oh indeed. Looks like only 12 colors of tails. 72 listings.

It is a lot. But it is definitely the way we do things for new listings now.
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In Suggestions, joesecc writes:
  In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  I have no idea what a kraata is, but are they random packed in sets? Sounds
like there aren't a lot of variations. So why don't we just add all
the variations to the catalog and make them alternates in sets?


As I understand it there are 42 color variations for each of the 6 different
kraata stages, which would mean adding 252 items to the catalog.

Rebrickable has a bunch of PCCs for kraata and most of their names include the
form (X/Y) where X and Y are Lego color IDs. It appears things got assigned
to sets based on these, but the tricky thing is that there are 43 PCC, corresponding
to the 42 color variations + the solid purple one, but the STAGE of the Kraata
is the variable thing.

It is hard to reconcile that with the current treatment in our catalog. If we
added those 43 listings, there would be no color selection on them, so the listing
would not show a picture with the correct stage, but we'd only need 6 "additional"
pics on each listing and the comments could tell what stage it was. Inventories
could then be corrected to much nearer show what you would find in a set.
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Suggestions, joesecc writes:
  In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  I have no idea what a kraata is, but are they random packed in sets? Sounds
like there aren't a lot of variations. So why don't we just add all
the variations to the catalog and make them alternates in sets?


As I understand it there are 42 color variations for each of the 6 different
kraata stages, which would mean adding 252 items to the catalog.

Rebrickable has a bunch of PCCs for kraata and most of their names include the
form (X/Y) where X and Y are Lego color IDs. It appears things got assigned
to sets based on these, but the tricky thing is that there are 43 PCC, corresponding
to the 42 color variations + the solid purple one, but the STAGE of the Kraata
is the variable thing.

It is hard to reconcile that with the current treatment in our catalog. If we
added those 43 listings, there would be no color selection on them, so the listing
would not show a picture with the correct stage, but we'd only need 6 "additional"
pics on each listing and the comments could tell what stage it was. Inventories
could then be corrected to much nearer show what you would find in a set.

I am willing to do the legwork for this project, if I have an admin sponsor.
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Suggestions, joesecc writes:
  In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  I have no idea what a kraata is, but are they random packed in sets? Sounds
like there aren't a lot of variations. So why don't we just add all
the variations to the catalog and make them alternates in sets?


As I understand it there are 42 color variations for each of the 6 different
kraata stages, which would mean adding 252 items to the catalog.

Rebrickable has a bunch of PCCs for kraata and most of their names include the
form (X/Y) where X and Y are Lego color IDs. It appears things got assigned
to sets based on these, but the tricky thing is that there are 43 PCC, corresponding
to the 42 color variations + the solid purple one, but the STAGE of the Kraata
is the variable thing.

It is hard to reconcile that with the current treatment in our catalog. If we
added those 43 listings, there would be no color selection on them, so the listing
would not show a picture with the correct stage, but we'd only need 6 "additional"
pics on each listing and the comments could tell what stage it was. Inventories
could then be corrected to much nearer show what you would find in a set.

I have been confused and seeing more random because the inventory of 8715 contains
1 of each stage of kraata in unspecified color. But the Lego data says 8715
should come with 1 PDG/LG, 3 Met Green/Lime, 3 FDG/tan, 1 Reddish Gold/Red, 4
Tan/white, and 1 solid purple kraata, all of unspecified STAGE. My new set I
opened yesterday matches that exactly with an extra PDG/LG that was loose in
the bottle, not in a sealed bag. It also exactly matches with a loose set that
I sorted out last week. And when I compare the remaining inventory and the pieces
I took catalog pics of from the one I opened in January, it matches exactly when
the following assumptions (I must have had doubles of a MetGreen/Lime a FlatDkGray/Tan,
and a Tan/White and the extra was a PDG/LG just like on my newest one).
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Suggestions, joesecc writes:
  In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  I have no idea what a kraata is, but are they random packed in sets? Sounds
like there aren't a lot of variations. So why don't we just add all
the variations to the catalog and make them alternates in sets?


As I understand it there are 42 color variations for each of the 6 different
kraata stages, which would mean adding 252 items to the catalog.

Rebrickable has a bunch of PCCs for kraata and most of their names include the
form (X/Y) where X and Y are Lego color IDs. It appears things got assigned
to sets based on these, but the tricky thing is that there are 43 PCC, corresponding
to the 42 color variations + the solid purple one, but the STAGE of the Kraata
is the variable thing.

It is hard to reconcile that with the current treatment in our catalog. If we
added those 43 listings, there would be no color selection on them, so the listing
would not show a picture with the correct stage, but we'd only need 6 "additional"
pics on each listing and the comments could tell what stage it was. Inventories
could then be corrected to much nearer show what you would find in a set.

I have been confused and seeing more random because the inventory of 8715 contains
1 of each stage of kraata in unspecified color. But the Lego data says 8715
should come with 1 PDG/LG, 3 Met Green/Lime, 3 FDG/tan, 1 Reddish Gold/Red, 4
Tan/white, and 1 solid purple kraata, all of unspecified STAGE. My new set I
opened yesterday matches that exactly with an extra PDG/LG that was loose in
the bottle, not in a sealed bag. It also exactly matches with a loose set that
I sorted out last week. And when I compare the remaining inventory and the pieces
I took catalog pics of from the one I opened in January, it matches exactly when
the following assumptions (I must have had doubles of a MetGreen/Lime a FlatDkGray/Tan,
and a Tan/White and the extra was a PDG/LG just like on my newest one).

Yeah... what's been especially bothering me with the Kraata is the dataloss
when it comes to these parts pack. You're losing one color, but the color
seem to be a consistent factor between those I've looked at.

As for the stage, same as the Krana, each shape is a mold spot (The whole "1-XX"
thing). There's 8 Krana because there were eight slots, 6 Kraata because
there was space for 6. Made for easy randomization.

Also some data (not including the solid color neon orange which is only stage
1 (different mold) or purple one:

The head comes in 14 colors:
- Red
- Orange
- Blue
- Yellow
- Tan
- Green
- Lime
- Black
- Flat Dark Gold
- Pearl Very Light Gray
- Pearl Sand Blue
- Reddish Gold
- Pearl Dark Gray
- "Metallic Green"

The tail comes in 17 colors:
- Red
- Orange
- Blue
- Medium Blue
- Yellow
- Tan
- White
- Light Gray
- Green
- Lime
- Black
- Flat Dark Gold
- Pearl Very Light Gray
- Pearl Sand Blue
- Reddish Gold
- Pearl Dark Gray
- "Metallic Green"

It would probably be most optimal to list the head colors to minimize the amount
of entries.
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It is only 43 listings to do all the combinations, ignoring stages. The 43 all
or most actually have names. Could even be considered minifigs. Then we could
enter PCCs and most of the sets would just have the 1 item of unspecified stage
in their inventory. Partouts wouldn't have alternates to sort. You'd
just have to name the stage in the comments. It is the least work and the best
organized.

In Catalog Requests, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Suggestions, joesecc writes:
  In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  I have no idea what a kraata is, but are they random packed in sets? Sounds
like there aren't a lot of variations. So why don't we just add all
the variations to the catalog and make them alternates in sets?


As I understand it there are 42 color variations for each of the 6 different
kraata stages, which would mean adding 252 items to the catalog.

Rebrickable has a bunch of PCCs for kraata and most of their names include the
form (X/Y) where X and Y are Lego color IDs. It appears things got assigned
to sets based on these, but the tricky thing is that there are 43 PCC, corresponding
to the 42 color variations + the solid purple one, but the STAGE of the Kraata
is the variable thing.

It is hard to reconcile that with the current treatment in our catalog. If we
added those 43 listings, there would be no color selection on them, so the listing
would not show a picture with the correct stage, but we'd only need 6 "additional"
pics on each listing and the comments could tell what stage it was. Inventories
could then be corrected to much nearer show what you would find in a set.

I have been confused and seeing more random because the inventory of 8715 contains
1 of each stage of kraata in unspecified color. But the Lego data says 8715
should come with 1 PDG/LG, 3 Met Green/Lime, 3 FDG/tan, 1 Reddish Gold/Red, 4
Tan/white, and 1 solid purple kraata, all of unspecified STAGE. My new set I
opened yesterday matches that exactly with an extra PDG/LG that was loose in
the bottle, not in a sealed bag. It also exactly matches with a loose set that
I sorted out last week. And when I compare the remaining inventory and the pieces
I took catalog pics of from the one I opened in January, it matches exactly when
the following assumptions (I must have had doubles of a MetGreen/Lime a FlatDkGray/Tan,
and a Tan/White and the extra was a PDG/LG just like on my newest one).

Yeah... what's been especially bothering me with the Kraata is the dataloss
when it comes to these parts pack. You're losing one color, but the color
seem to be a consistent factor between those I've looked at.

As for the stage, same as the Krana, each shape is a mold spot (The whole "1-XX"
thing). There's 8 Krana because there were eight slots, 6 Kraata because
there was space for 6. Made for easy randomization.

Also some data (not including the solid color neon orange which is only stage
1 (different mold) or purple one:

The head comes in 14 colors:
- Red
- Orange
- Blue
- Yellow
- Tan
- Green
- Lime
- Black
- Flat Dark Gold
- Pearl Very Light Gray
- Pearl Sand Blue
- Reddish Gold
- Pearl Dark Gray
- "Metallic Green"

The tail comes in 17 colors:
- Red
- Orange
- Blue
- Medium Blue
- Yellow
- Tan
- White
- Light Gray
- Green
- Lime
- Black
- Flat Dark Gold
- Pearl Very Light Gray
- Pearl Sand Blue
- Reddish Gold
- Pearl Dark Gray
- "Metallic Green"

It would probably be most optimal to list the head colors to minimize the amount
of entries.
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  It is only 43 listings to do all the combinations, ignoring stages.

Whatever we might do, ignoring stages is not an option.
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In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  It is only 43 listings to do all the combinations, ignoring stages.

Whatever we might do, ignoring stages is not an option.


Agree.
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In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  It is only 43 listings to do all the combinations, ignoring stages.

Whatever we might do, ignoring stages is not an option.

Are we game for 250 listings?
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  It is only 43 listings to do all the combinations, ignoring stages.

Whatever we might do, ignoring stages is not an option.

Are we game for 250 listings?

You should only need 84? (One per head head color, list the tail color in the
set inventories).
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In Catalog Requests, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  It is only 43 listings to do all the combinations, ignoring stages.

Whatever we might do, ignoring stages is not an option.

Are we game for 250 listings?

You should only need 84? (One per head head color, list the tail color in the
set inventories).

It would be more in keeping with precedent to make listings for the marbled tail
colors and then do the head colors in inventories.

But I think we lose something either of those ways. The combinations actually
have names. The Kraata of Heat and so on. The task isn't tiny, but really
making 250 listings could be done in a day. I have seen basic renders of every
combination. I have most of the variants from 8715 now.
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  It is only 43 listings to do all the combinations, ignoring stages.

Whatever we might do, ignoring stages is not an option.

Are we game for 250 listings?

You should only need 84? (One per head head color, list the tail color in the
set inventories).

It would be more in keeping with precedent to make listings for the marbled tail
colors and then do the head colors in inventories.

But I think we lose something either of those ways. The combinations actually
have names. The Kraata of Heat and so on. The task isn't tiny, but really
making 250 listings could be done in a day. I have seen basic renders of every
combination. I have most of the variants from 8715 now.

While I get what you're saying, I personally wouldn't think it's
within Bricklink's domain to distinguish them based on what they represent.
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  It is only 43 listings to do all the combinations, ignoring stages. The 43 all
or most actually have names. Could even be considered minifigs. Then we could
enter PCCs and most of the sets would just have the 1 item of unspecified stage
in their inventory. Partouts wouldn't have alternates to sort. You'd
just have to name the stage in the comments. It is the least work and the best
organized.

In Catalog Requests, WOLKsite writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Suggestions, joesecc writes:
  In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  I have no idea what a kraata is, but are they random packed in sets? Sounds
like there aren't a lot of variations. So why don't we just add all
the variations to the catalog and make them alternates in sets?


As I understand it there are 42 color variations for each of the 6 different
kraata stages, which would mean adding 252 items to the catalog.

Rebrickable has a bunch of PCCs for kraata and most of their names include the
form (X/Y) where X and Y are Lego color IDs. It appears things got assigned
to sets based on these, but the tricky thing is that there are 43 PCC, corresponding
to the 42 color variations + the solid purple one, but the STAGE of the Kraata
is the variable thing.

It is hard to reconcile that with the current treatment in our catalog. If we
added those 43 listings, there would be no color selection on them, so the listing
would not show a picture with the correct stage, but we'd only need 6 "additional"
pics on each listing and the comments could tell what stage it was. Inventories
could then be corrected to much nearer show what you would find in a set.

I have been confused and seeing more random because the inventory of 8715 contains
1 of each stage of kraata in unspecified color. But the Lego data says 8715
should come with 1 PDG/LG, 3 Met Green/Lime, 3 FDG/tan, 1 Reddish Gold/Red, 4
Tan/white, and 1 solid purple kraata, all of unspecified STAGE. My new set I
opened yesterday matches that exactly with an extra PDG/LG that was loose in
the bottle, not in a sealed bag. It also exactly matches with a loose set that
I sorted out last week. And when I compare the remaining inventory and the pieces
I took catalog pics of from the one I opened in January, it matches exactly when
the following assumptions (I must have had doubles of a MetGreen/Lime a FlatDkGray/Tan,
and a Tan/White and the extra was a PDG/LG just like on my newest one).

Yeah... what's been especially bothering me with the Kraata is the dataloss
when it comes to these parts pack. You're losing one color, but the color
seem to be a consistent factor between those I've looked at.

As for the stage, same as the Krana, each shape is a mold spot (The whole "1-XX"
thing). There's 8 Krana because there were eight slots, 6 Kraata because
there was space for 6. Made for easy randomization.

Also some data (not including the solid color neon orange which is only stage
1 (different mold) or purple one:

The head comes in 14 colors:
- Red
- Orange
- Blue
- Yellow
- Tan
- Green
- Lime
- Black
- Flat Dark Gold
- Pearl Very Light Gray
- Pearl Sand Blue
- Reddish Gold
- Pearl Dark Gray
- "Metallic Green"

The tail comes in 17 colors:
- Red
- Orange
- Blue
- Medium Blue
- Yellow
- Tan
- White
- Light Gray
- Green
- Lime
- Black
- Flat Dark Gold
- Pearl Very Light Gray
- Pearl Sand Blue
- Reddish Gold
- Pearl Dark Gray
- "Metallic Green"

It would probably be most optimal to list the head colors to minimize the amount
of entries.

Or move them to Parts Animal instead of Minifigs or Bionicle so the entries can
still have colors.
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Suggestions, joesecc writes:
  In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  I have no idea what a kraata is, but are they random packed in sets? Sounds
like there aren't a lot of variations. So why don't we just add all
the variations to the catalog and make them alternates in sets?


As I understand it there are 42 color variations for each of the 6 different
kraata stages, which would mean adding 252 items to the catalog.

Rebrickable has a bunch of PCCs for kraata and most of their names include the
form (X/Y) where X and Y are Lego color IDs. It appears things got assigned
to sets based on these, but the tricky thing is that there are 43 PCC, corresponding
to the 42 color variations + the solid purple one, but the STAGE of the Kraata
is the variable thing.

It is hard to reconcile that with the current treatment in our catalog. If we
added those 43 listings, there would be no color selection on them, so the listing
would not show a picture with the correct stage, but we'd only need 6 "additional"
pics on each listing and the comments could tell what stage it was. Inventories
could then be corrected to much nearer show what you would find in a set.

I have now looked at quite a few inventories now and the variation that they
show is almost always just different stages of the same color scheme.
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In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Bringing this back, since the issue is coming up frequently for me again.

Dear BrickLink admin folks,

It would be greatly appreciated if a different system for listing Kraata (and/or
other dual color molded parts) could be implemented. BIOSector has detailed descriptions
of each Kraata color pairing, which in theory should make it easy to create a
drop down menu based on the head and tail colors.

As an example:
Say I have a stage 1 Kraata that has a metallic green head. I select “Stage 1”,
then “Head Color: Metallic Green/Lemon Metallic.” (Listing the most common name
for the color and then the official LEGO name for that color). Then I click “Tail
Color:” and am presented with a short drop-down list of possible tail colors,
which in this instance are “Lime/Bright Yellowish-Green”, “Dark Green”, “Metallic
Blue/Sand Blue Metallic”, “Red/Bright Red”, and “Dark Grey Metallic”. (These
are the only 5 tail colors that are paired with a metallic green head.)
The final listing title would look like this:
“Stage 1 Kraata: Lemon Metallic Head, Bright Yellowish Green Tail”

Implementing a system like this would ensure that sellers clearly disclose both
colors of the item before posting, rather than being able to list only the stage
and head color and ignore the instruction to “describe the rest.” Many Kraata
listings do not describe the rest of the item; in fact, many of them leave the
description blank, making their listing functionally worthless. Unless I contact
each and every one of those sellers to ask about their one specific item, there
is no way for me to know if it is an item I am interested in.

As a result, a great many items that people have listed in hopes of selling get
passed over and ignored, due primarily to seller error, but it would be really
helpful to us collectors and customers to be able to get a clear and standardized
system in place to help us make informed purchases.

Thank you for reading!
- ProneToDrift

I have 18 stage 1 Kraata with different tail colors pending. If the admins accept
them I will do the other stages.
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I was able to mine 3 pics for the Stage 1 Kraata from the current listing, but
for each tail color variant to be approved to the catalog they will need a pic.
Can you provide pics of at least one stage 1 kraata with each tail color?

In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Bringing this back, since the issue is coming up frequently for me again.

Dear BrickLink admin folks,

It would be greatly appreciated if a different system for listing Kraata (and/or
other dual color molded parts) could be implemented. BIOSector has detailed descriptions
of each Kraata color pairing, which in theory should make it easy to create a
drop down menu based on the head and tail colors.

As an example:
Say I have a stage 1 Kraata that has a metallic green head. I select “Stage 1”,
then “Head Color: Metallic Green/Lemon Metallic.” (Listing the most common name
for the color and then the official LEGO name for that color). Then I click “Tail
Color:” and am presented with a short drop-down list of possible tail colors,
which in this instance are “Lime/Bright Yellowish-Green”, “Dark Green”, “Metallic
Blue/Sand Blue Metallic”, “Red/Bright Red”, and “Dark Grey Metallic”. (These
are the only 5 tail colors that are paired with a metallic green head.)
The final listing title would look like this:
“Stage 1 Kraata: Lemon Metallic Head, Bright Yellowish Green Tail”

Implementing a system like this would ensure that sellers clearly disclose both
colors of the item before posting, rather than being able to list only the stage
and head color and ignore the instruction to “describe the rest.” Many Kraata
listings do not describe the rest of the item; in fact, many of them leave the
description blank, making their listing functionally worthless. Unless I contact
each and every one of those sellers to ask about their one specific item, there
is no way for me to know if it is an item I am interested in.

As a result, a great many items that people have listed in hopes of selling get
passed over and ignored, due primarily to seller error, but it would be really
helpful to us collectors and customers to be able to get a clear and standardized
system in place to help us make informed purchases.

Thank you for reading!
- ProneToDrift
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Is this request directed at me, Axaday?

In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  I was able to mine 3 pics for the Stage 1 Kraata from the current listing, but
for each tail color variant to be approved to the catalog they will need a pic.
Can you provide pics of at least one stage 1 kraata with each tail color?

In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Bringing this back, since the issue is coming up frequently for me again.

Dear BrickLink admin folks,

It would be greatly appreciated if a different system for listing Kraata (and/or
other dual color molded parts) could be implemented. BIOSector has detailed descriptions
of each Kraata color pairing, which in theory should make it easy to create a
drop down menu based on the head and tail colors.

As an example:
Say I have a stage 1 Kraata that has a metallic green head. I select “Stage 1”,
then “Head Color: Metallic Green/Lemon Metallic.” (Listing the most common name
for the color and then the official LEGO name for that color). Then I click “Tail
Color:” and am presented with a short drop-down list of possible tail colors,
which in this instance are “Lime/Bright Yellowish-Green”, “Dark Green”, “Metallic
Blue/Sand Blue Metallic”, “Red/Bright Red”, and “Dark Grey Metallic”. (These
are the only 5 tail colors that are paired with a metallic green head.)
The final listing title would look like this:
“Stage 1 Kraata: Lemon Metallic Head, Bright Yellowish Green Tail”

Implementing a system like this would ensure that sellers clearly disclose both
colors of the item before posting, rather than being able to list only the stage
and head color and ignore the instruction to “describe the rest.” Many Kraata
listings do not describe the rest of the item; in fact, many of them leave the
description blank, making their listing functionally worthless. Unless I contact
each and every one of those sellers to ask about their one specific item, there
is no way for me to know if it is an item I am interested in.

As a result, a great many items that people have listed in hopes of selling get
passed over and ignored, due primarily to seller error, but it would be really
helpful to us collectors and customers to be able to get a clear and standardized
system in place to help us make informed purchases.

Thank you for reading!
- ProneToDrift
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: May 14, 2021 05:21
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In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Is this request directed at me, Axaday?

I think that yes

  
In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  I was able to mine 3 pics for the Stage 1 Kraata from the current listing, but
for each tail color variant to be approved to the catalog they will need a pic.
Can you provide pics of at least one stage 1 kraata with each tail color?

In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Bringing this back, since the issue is coming up frequently for me again.

Dear BrickLink admin folks,

It would be greatly appreciated if a different system for listing Kraata (and/or
other dual color molded parts) could be implemented. BIOSector has detailed descriptions
of each Kraata color pairing, which in theory should make it easy to create a
drop down menu based on the head and tail colors.

As an example:
Say I have a stage 1 Kraata that has a metallic green head. I select “Stage 1”,
then “Head Color: Metallic Green/Lemon Metallic.” (Listing the most common name
for the color and then the official LEGO name for that color). Then I click “Tail
Color:” and am presented with a short drop-down list of possible tail colors,
which in this instance are “Lime/Bright Yellowish-Green”, “Dark Green”, “Metallic
Blue/Sand Blue Metallic”, “Red/Bright Red”, and “Dark Grey Metallic”. (These
are the only 5 tail colors that are paired with a metallic green head.)
The final listing title would look like this:
“Stage 1 Kraata: Lemon Metallic Head, Bright Yellowish Green Tail”

Implementing a system like this would ensure that sellers clearly disclose both
colors of the item before posting, rather than being able to list only the stage
and head color and ignore the instruction to “describe the rest.” Many Kraata
listings do not describe the rest of the item; in fact, many of them leave the
description blank, making their listing functionally worthless. Unless I contact
each and every one of those sellers to ask about their one specific item, there
is no way for me to know if it is an item I am interested in.

As a result, a great many items that people have listed in hopes of selling get
passed over and ignored, due primarily to seller error, but it would be really
helpful to us collectors and customers to be able to get a clear and standardized
system in place to help us make informed purchases.

Thank you for reading!
- ProneToDrift
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In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Is this request directed at me, Axaday?

I was hoping that since you are collecting them that you have a whole lot of
them already.
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I have a decent number of them.
I do not have the full collection though; I can mainly provide images that show
the colorations, but not each of the 6 stages of those colorations. Does that
still help?

In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Is this request directed at me, Axaday?

I was hoping that since you are collecting them that you have a whole lot of
them already.
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I also don’t have all of them, but I can provide photos of all the ones that
I do have.

In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  I have a decent number of them.
I do not have the full collection though; I can mainly provide images that show
the colorations, but not each of the 6 stages of those colorations. Does that
still help?

In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Is this request directed at me, Axaday?

I was hoping that since you are collecting them that you have a whole lot of
them already.
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Just jumping in here -- what are the odds that the current submissions (i.e.,
the Stage 1 examples in the pending approval queue) get approved? I loaded a
bunch of kraata over the weekend and the system jumbled up all my tail comments,
so I had to delete them all. This new systems "seems" better, but waiting for
all the items to be approved is proving tedious.

In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  I was able to mine 3 pics for the Stage 1 Kraata from the current listing, but
for each tail color variant to be approved to the catalog they will need a pic.
Can you provide pics of at least one stage 1 kraata with each tail color?

In Suggestions, ProneToDrift writes:
  Bringing this back, since the issue is coming up frequently for me again.

Dear BrickLink admin folks,

It would be greatly appreciated if a different system for listing Kraata (and/or
other dual color molded parts) could be implemented. BIOSector has detailed descriptions
of each Kraata color pairing, which in theory should make it easy to create a
drop down menu based on the head and tail colors.

As an example:
Say I have a stage 1 Kraata that has a metallic green head. I select “Stage 1”,
then “Head Color: Metallic Green/Lemon Metallic.” (Listing the most common name
for the color and then the official LEGO name for that color). Then I click “Tail
Color:” and am presented with a short drop-down list of possible tail colors,
which in this instance are “Lime/Bright Yellowish-Green”, “Dark Green”, “Metallic
Blue/Sand Blue Metallic”, “Red/Bright Red”, and “Dark Grey Metallic”. (These
are the only 5 tail colors that are paired with a metallic green head.)
The final listing title would look like this:
“Stage 1 Kraata: Lemon Metallic Head, Bright Yellowish Green Tail”

Implementing a system like this would ensure that sellers clearly disclose both
colors of the item before posting, rather than being able to list only the stage
and head color and ignore the instruction to “describe the rest.” Many Kraata
listings do not describe the rest of the item; in fact, many of them leave the
description blank, making their listing functionally worthless. Unless I contact
each and every one of those sellers to ask about their one specific item, there
is no way for me to know if it is an item I am interested in.

As a result, a great many items that people have listed in hopes of selling get
passed over and ignored, due primarily to seller error, but it would be really
helpful to us collectors and customers to be able to get a clear and standardized
system in place to help us make informed purchases.

Thank you for reading!
- ProneToDrift
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In Suggestions, LearnedBrick writes:
  Just jumping in here -- what are the odds that the current submissions (i.e.,
the Stage 1 examples in the pending approval queue) get approved? I loaded a
bunch of kraata over the weekend and the system jumbled up all my tail comments,
so I had to delete them all. This new systems "seems" better, but waiting for
all the items to be approved is proving tedious.


We have begun discussions about it within the admin team. We should know soon
if we will be moving ahead with it or not. Stay tuned.
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In Suggestions, randyf writes:
  In Suggestions, LearnedBrick writes:
  Just jumping in here -- what are the odds that the current submissions (i.e.,
the Stage 1 examples in the pending approval queue) get approved? I loaded a
bunch of kraata over the weekend and the system jumbled up all my tail comments,
so I had to delete them all. This new systems "seems" better, but waiting for
all the items to be approved is proving tedious.


We have begun discussions about it within the admin team. We should know soon
if we will be moving ahead with it or not. Stay tuned.

From the Pending Images - Items section, it appears that the decision was to
not move forward with the new system. The three images submitted by Axaday are
no longer awaiting approval, but the new names are not in the catalog.
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In Suggestions, LearnedBrick writes:
  In Suggestions, randyf writes:
  In Suggestions, LearnedBrick writes:
  Just jumping in here -- what are the odds that the current submissions (i.e.,
the Stage 1 examples in the pending approval queue) get approved? I loaded a
bunch of kraata over the weekend and the system jumbled up all my tail comments,
so I had to delete them all. This new systems "seems" better, but waiting for
all the items to be approved is proving tedious.


We have begun discussions about it within the admin team. We should know soon
if we will be moving ahead with it or not. Stay tuned.

From the Pending Images - Items section, it appears that the decision was to
not move forward with the new system. The three images submitted by Axaday are
no longer awaiting approval, but the new names are not in the catalog.

I didn't see Randy's post and grew tired of all of them clogging my pending
items. I deleted the listings, but I could start them again if directed to do
so.
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In Suggestions, axaday writes:
  In Suggestions, LearnedBrick writes:
  In Suggestions, randyf writes:
  In Suggestions, LearnedBrick writes:
  Just jumping in here -- what are the odds that the current submissions (i.e.,
the Stage 1 examples in the pending approval queue) get approved? I loaded a
bunch of kraata over the weekend and the system jumbled up all my tail comments,
so I had to delete them all. This new systems "seems" better, but waiting for
all the items to be approved is proving tedious.


We have begun discussions about it within the admin team. We should know soon
if we will be moving ahead with it or not. Stay tuned.

From the Pending Images - Items section, it appears that the decision was to
not move forward with the new system. The three images submitted by Axaday are
no longer awaiting approval, but the new names are not in the catalog.

I didn't see Randy's post and grew tired of all of them clogging my pending
items. I deleted the listings, but I could start them again if directed to do
so.

Fair - let's see what the admins want. I have a ton of images to upload once
approved.