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| | | Author: | Admin_Russell  | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 02:48 | | Subject: | BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 682 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Dear BrickLink members,
Starting Tuesday May 11, BrickLink will enable VAT collection for goods imported
into the UK and Northern Ireland to comply with the new Brexit marketplace rules.
Below is an overview of what this will entail.
Changes at a glance:
* The UK will be excluded from the EU country list and will have its own VAT
regime (like Norway). UK buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from EU sellers
and EU buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from UK sellers. UK buyers will see
VAT inclusive prices from UK sellers only.
* BrickLink will collect and remit VAT on orders up to a value of £135 imported
into the UK and sold to consumers. There will no longer be a VAT exemption for
small consignments up to £15. In this case, the payment method will be restricted
to onsite methods only.
* UK VAT will be added during the checkout process or at the receipt of the final
invoice and will not be included in the item price.
* Where BrickLink is responsible for collecting VAT on orders sent to a UK delivery
address, this amount will be shown separately at checkout.
What this means for you:
* For each qualified transaction, BrickLink will provide a separate VAT invoice
that can be used as proof to customs that VAT has been sufficiently collected.
* In case of refunds, we encourage sellers to use the BrickLink refund feature
to ensure the correct amount of VAT gets refunded. The refund page can be accessed
from the Issue Refund link on the order detail page.
* If you are a non-UK seller and you want to sell goods to UK buyers, you should
opt in to at least one of BrickLink’s onsite payment methods.
An email with this same communication will be sent out later today. For additional
information, please refer to our new Brexit Marketplace Changes Help Page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2514
Thank you,
The BrickLink Team
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| | | | | Author: | jbricks | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 04:20 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Hello Russell,
This looks rather good 
Thank you,
Good to see we can ship to the UK again without having to explain importcharges
Just 1 question, can we see the printversion of the invoice?
We normally never print out invoices only use the customforms from our carrier,
and i hope these do not take to much unneeded ink and paper,
Again, it looks great,
Janet
In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Dear BrickLink members,
Starting Tuesday May 11, BrickLink will enable VAT collection for goods imported
into the UK and Northern Ireland to comply with the new Brexit marketplace rules.
Below is an overview of what this will entail.
Changes at a glance:
* The UK will be excluded from the EU country list and will have its own VAT
regime (like Norway). UK buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from EU sellers
and EU buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from UK sellers. UK buyers will see
VAT inclusive prices from UK sellers only.
* BrickLink will collect and remit VAT on orders up to a value of £135 imported
into the UK and sold to consumers. There will no longer be a VAT exemption for
small consignments up to £15. In this case, the payment method will be restricted
to onsite methods only.
* UK VAT will be added during the checkout process or at the receipt of the final
invoice and will not be included in the item price.
* Where BrickLink is responsible for collecting VAT on orders sent to a UK delivery
address, this amount will be shown separately at checkout.
What this means for you:
* For each qualified transaction, BrickLink will provide a separate VAT invoice
that can be used as proof to customs that VAT has been sufficiently collected.
* In case of refunds, we encourage sellers to use the BrickLink refund feature
to ensure the correct amount of VAT gets refunded. The refund page can be accessed
from the Issue Refund link on the order detail page.
* If you are a non-UK seller and you want to sell goods to UK buyers, you should
opt in to at least one of BrickLink’s onsite payment methods.
An email with this same communication will be sent out later today. For additional
information, please refer to our new Brexit Marketplace Changes Help Page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2514
Thank you,
The BrickLink Team
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| | | | | Author: | Andrsv | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 04:27 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| 1) do you know if sellers have to provide any extra Documentation when sending
to UK?
2) Norway also have "new" rules for import. Bricklink should add VAT for orders
imported to Norway. The rules was applied in 2020, but they've made temporary
exceptions which have been extended due to Corona(Bricklink are within the exception,
but it may suddenly change). Does bricklink have plans for complying to new Norwegian
vat rules as well?
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| | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 05:24 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Dear BrickLink members,
Starting Tuesday May 11, BrickLink will enable VAT collection for goods imported
into the UK and Northern Ireland to comply with the new Brexit marketplace rules.
Below is an overview of what this will entail.
Changes at a glance:
* The UK will be excluded from the EU country list and will have its own VAT
regime (like Norway). UK buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from EU sellers
and EU buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from UK sellers. UK buyers will see
VAT inclusive prices from UK sellers only.
* BrickLink will collect and remit VAT on orders up to a value of £135 imported
into the UK and sold to consumers. There will no longer be a VAT exemption for
small consignments up to £15. In this case, the payment method will be restricted
to onsite methods only.
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What about orders sold to business not to consumers? The VAT shouldn't be
charged for those.
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* UK VAT will be added during the checkout process or at the receipt of the final
invoice and will not be included in the item price.
* Where BrickLink is responsible for collecting VAT on orders sent to a UK delivery
address, this amount will be shown separately at checkout.
What this means for you:
* For each qualified transaction, BrickLink will provide a separate VAT invoice
that can be used as proof to customs that VAT has been sufficiently collected.
* In case of refunds, we encourage sellers to use the BrickLink refund feature
to ensure the correct amount of VAT gets refunded. The refund page can be accessed
from the Issue Refund link on the order detail page.
* If you are a non-UK seller and you want to sell goods to UK buyers, you should
opt in to at least one of BrickLink’s onsite payment methods.
An email with this same communication will be sent out later today. For additional
information, please refer to our new Brexit Marketplace Changes Help Page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2514
Thank you,
The BrickLink Team
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| | | | | | | Author: | Bad_Girl | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 05:52 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Stellar writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Dear BrickLink members,
Starting Tuesday May 11, BrickLink will enable VAT collection for goods imported
into the UK and Northern Ireland to comply with the new Brexit marketplace rules.
Below is an overview of what this will entail.
Changes at a glance:
* The UK will be excluded from the EU country list and will have its own VAT
regime (like Norway). UK buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from EU sellers
and EU buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from UK sellers. UK buyers will see
VAT inclusive prices from UK sellers only.
* BrickLink will collect and remit VAT on orders up to a value of £135 imported
into the UK and sold to consumers. There will no longer be a VAT exemption for
small consignments up to £15. In this case, the payment method will be restricted
to onsite methods only.
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What about orders sold to business not to consumers? The VAT shouldn't be
charged for those.
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Why should there be a difference between BTB and BTC? If you are importing something
from outside of the EU, you pay surely also VAT (at customs or at the post office).
I think you still have intra-community deliveries in mind. UK is not part of
the EU.
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* UK VAT will be added during the checkout process or at the receipt of the final
invoice and will not be included in the item price.
* Where BrickLink is responsible for collecting VAT on orders sent to a UK delivery
address, this amount will be shown separately at checkout.
What this means for you:
* For each qualified transaction, BrickLink will provide a separate VAT invoice
that can be used as proof to customs that VAT has been sufficiently collected.
* In case of refunds, we encourage sellers to use the BrickLink refund feature
to ensure the correct amount of VAT gets refunded. The refund page can be accessed
from the Issue Refund link on the order detail page.
* If you are a non-UK seller and you want to sell goods to UK buyers, you should
opt in to at least one of BrickLink’s onsite payment methods.
An email with this same communication will be sent out later today. For additional
information, please refer to our new Brexit Marketplace Changes Help Page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2514
Thank you,
The BrickLink Team
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 06:07 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Bad_Girl writes:
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| | What about orders sold to business not to consumers? The VAT shouldn't be
charged for those.
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Why should there be a difference between BTB and BTC? If you are importing something
from outside of the EU, you pay surely also VAT (at customs or at the post office).
I think you still have intra-community deliveries in mind. UK is not part of
the EU.
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And the rare UK buyers that are also UK VAT-registered businesses can deduct
the import VAT from their collected VAT.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 11:11 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, Bad_Girl writes:
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| | What about orders sold to business not to consumers? The VAT shouldn't be
charged for those.
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Why should there be a difference between BTB and BTC? If you are importing something
from outside of the EU, you pay surely also VAT (at customs or at the post office).
I think you still have intra-community deliveries in mind. UK is not part of
the EU.
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And the rare UK buyers that are also UK VAT-registered businesses can deduct
the import VAT from their collected VAT.
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How can they do that, if BL is collecting/remitting all their VAT ?
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 11:47 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, cosmicray writes:
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| | And the rare UK buyers that are also UK VAT-registered businesses can deduct
the import VAT from their collected VAT.
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How can they do that, if BL is collecting/remitting all their VAT ?
Nita Rae
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The buyer doesn’t care whether it’s the seller who directly collected the VAT
or if it’s the marketplace, all they need to know and prove is that they did
pay VAT (and to whom), and that will be on the invoice.
At the end of the month (or trimester), they declare the deductible VAT (what
they paid) and the collected VAT (from their sales) and the difference. At the
end of the month (or year), if the difference collected minus deductible
is positive, they pay, if not, they can reclaim it or keep it for next month
(or year).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 16:35 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, cosmicray writes:
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| | And the rare UK buyers that are also UK VAT-registered businesses can deduct
the import VAT from their collected VAT.
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How can they do that, if BL is collecting/remitting all their VAT ?
Nita Rae
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The buyer doesn’t care whether it’s the seller who directly collected the VAT
or if it’s the marketplace, all they need to know and prove is that they did
pay VAT (and to whom), and that will be on the invoice.
At the end of the month (or trimester), they declare the deductible VAT (what
they paid) and the collected VAT (from their sales) and the difference. At the
end of the month (or year), if the difference collected minus deductible
is positive, they pay, if not, they can reclaim it or keep it for next month
(or year).
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Please slow down on your rate of posting, and read carefully what I wrote.
The buyer (in this transaction) will have a tough time offsetting the VAT, if
they (the buyer, but when they become the reseller) collect no VAT, because their
sales on BL has the VAT being managed by BL (and not by the reseller). This of
course doesn't apply if they are buying on BL to sell elsewhere, unless the
marketplace they are selling on also does manages the VAT for them.
Yes, I understand about them claiming the VAT they paid, but the issue here is
where does the VAT they (theoretically) collect in order to offset it ?
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 18:28 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jbricks | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 18:30 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, cosmicray writes:
| | In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, cosmicray writes:
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| | And the rare UK buyers that are also UK VAT-registered businesses can deduct
the import VAT from their collected VAT.
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How can they do that, if BL is collecting/remitting all their VAT ?
Nita Rae
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The buyer doesn’t care whether it’s the seller who directly collected the VAT
or if it’s the marketplace, all they need to know and prove is that they did
pay VAT (and to whom), and that will be on the invoice.
At the end of the month (or trimester), they declare the deductible VAT (what
they paid) and the collected VAT (from their sales) and the difference. At the
end of the month (or year), if the difference collected minus deductible
is positive, they pay, if not, they can reclaim it or keep it for next month
(or year).
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Please slow down on your rate of posting, and read carefully what I wrote.
The buyer (in this transaction) will have a tough time offsetting the VAT, if
they (the buyer, but when they become the reseller) collect no VAT, because their
sales on BL has the VAT being managed by BL (and not by the reseller). This of
course doesn't apply if they are buying on BL to sell elsewhere, unless the
marketplace they are selling on also does manages the VAT for them.
Yes, I understand about them claiming the VAT they paid, but the issue here is
where does the VAT they (theoretically) collect in order to offset it ?
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I don't now how this works in the US, but in most (if not all) European countries
you also get back the VAT if its negative, you don't need to collect vat
to claim vat.
If i would stop selling within the EU, then i would only get VAT back and not
pay any.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 8, 2021 01:16 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, cosmicray writes:
| | In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, cosmicray writes:
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| | And the rare UK buyers that are also UK VAT-registered businesses can deduct
the import VAT from their collected VAT.
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How can they do that, if BL is collecting/remitting all their VAT ?
Nita Rae
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The buyer doesn’t care whether it’s the seller who directly collected the VAT
or if it’s the marketplace, all they need to know and prove is that they did
pay VAT (and to whom), and that will be on the invoice.
At the end of the month (or trimester), they declare the deductible VAT (what
they paid) and the collected VAT (from their sales) and the difference. At the
end of the month (or year), if the difference collected minus deductible
is positive, they pay, if not, they can reclaim it or keep it for next month
(or year).
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Please slow down on your rate of posting, and read carefully what I wrote.
The buyer (in this transaction) will have a tough time offsetting the VAT, if
they (the buyer, but when they become the reseller) collect no VAT, because their
sales on BL has the VAT being managed by BL (and not by the reseller). This of
course doesn't apply if they are buying on BL to sell elsewhere, unless the
marketplace they are selling on also does manages the VAT for them.
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No. BL (or any other marketplace) will only manage the import VAT, not all the
seller’s VAT.
The (current) simple VAT mechanism on BL is only there to follow the “prices
should include local VAT for local buyers and should exclude it for foreigners”
rule and pre-calculate the VAT field, it doesn’t “manage VAT” in the sense that
the seller is the one who’s responsible to collect and remit the local VAT.
| | Yes, I understand about them claiming the VAT they paid, but the issue here is
where does the VAT they (theoretically) collect in order to offset it ?
Nita Rae
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We are talking about a business VAT registered in UK, so:
There’s three cases when they buy, however they buy:
1. From a VAT registered UK seller: they pay UK VAT.
2. From a non-VAT registered UK seller: VAT does not apply.
3. From a non-UK seller: they pay UK import VAT.
Only in case 3, and under £135, does BL/the marketplace collect the UK VAT.
In both cases where they pay VAT (1 and 3), they have an invoice that shows they
paid some VAT and can then write it down in their “deductible VAT” account.
Then, when they sell, there’s two cases:
1. They sell to a UK buyer: they charge, collect, and remit VAT.
2. They sell to a non-UK buyer: they export at 0% VAT.
In case 1., they write the collected VAT in their “collected VAT” account.
Then, when it’s time to declare & pay, all that is deductible is deducted from
what was collected and the difference is remitted or claimable.
Also, if, in case 2., they export to a country with marketplace laws, like the
US or, soon, the EU, then BL, or any other marketplace, will collect US Sales
tax or some EU VAT… but that has nothing to do with their VAT registration in
the UK: they just export at 0% VAT and don’t care about what happens to the buyer
and the buyer’s local taxes. What the new mechanism is is a simplification of
their exports: they don’t have to register for VAT or Sales tax collection in
these countries (and states and counties and towns…).
I hope that’s clearer.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 06:28 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Bad_Girl writes:
| | In Administrative, Stellar writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Dear BrickLink members,
Starting Tuesday May 11, BrickLink will enable VAT collection for goods imported
into the UK and Northern Ireland to comply with the new Brexit marketplace rules.
Below is an overview of what this will entail.
Changes at a glance:
* The UK will be excluded from the EU country list and will have its own VAT
regime (like Norway). UK buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from EU sellers
and EU buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from UK sellers. UK buyers will see
VAT inclusive prices from UK sellers only.
* BrickLink will collect and remit VAT on orders up to a value of £135 imported
into the UK and sold to consumers. There will no longer be a VAT exemption for
small consignments up to £15. In this case, the payment method will be restricted
to onsite methods only.
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What about orders sold to business not to consumers? The VAT shouldn't be
charged for those.
|
Why should there be a difference between BTB and BTC? If you are importing something
from outside of the EU, you pay surely also VAT (at customs or at the post office).
I think you still have intra-community deliveries in mind. UK is not part of
the EU.
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Take a look here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-in-the-uk-using-online-marketplaces#business
The online marketplace must charge and account for VAT at the point of sale,
unless the consignment is a business to business sale and the customer has given
their UK VAT registration number.
Business to business sales to UK VAT-registered customers
The online marketplace will not need to charge and account for VAT if the customer
gives them their VAT registration number. The online marketplace can confirm
it’s correct using the online service.
The online marketplace can add a note to the invoice (for example, by writing
‘reverse charge: customer to account for VAT to HMRC’) then send it to the UK
business customer.
The business customer will then be responsible for accounting for any VAT due
on their VAT Return if the goods are supplied in:
Great Britain, using a ‘reverse charge’ procedure
Northern Ireland, using Postponed VAT Accounting
In both cases, the seller will be able to recover the VAT as input tax on the
same VAT Return under normal VAT recovery rules.
As Sylvain stated, they might be able to request that VAT back, but that is also
more paperwork.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 06:49 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Stellar writes:
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The online marketplace must charge and account for VAT at the point of sale,
unless the consignment is a business to business sale and the customer has given
their UK VAT registration number.
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“must … unless”
| | Business to business sales to UK VAT-registered customers
The online marketplace will not need to charge and account for VAT if the customer
gives them their VAT registration number. The online marketplace can confirm
it’s correct using the online service.
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“will not need”
BL can simplify their job and collect the VAT.
A lot of businesses that have more B2C than B2B transactions often do that, especially
for small amounts.
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As Sylvain stated, they might be able to request that VAT back, but that is also
more paperwork.
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Without paperwork, the civil servant withers 
But there’s not actually much more paperwork to fill when you buy 0% or full
VAT. Invoices are always the main proof, so, it’s just a couple entries more
in your accounts and an entry in a list of your deductible transactions.
The Sales taxes exemption issue seems to be a much more important problem as
the buyers don’t seem to be able to reclaim credits if there’s no debit.
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| | | | | | | Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 08:43 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Stellar writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | * BrickLink will collect and remit VAT on orders up to a value of £135 imported
into the UK and sold to consumers. There will no longer be a VAT exemption for
small consignments up to £15. In this case, the payment method will be restricted
to onsite methods only.
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What about orders sold to business not to consumers? The VAT shouldn't be
charged for those.
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That's explained at the additional information link above: "If the buyer
is a UK VAT-registered business and provides their valid UK VAT registration
number, the responsibility to account for VAT will switch to the UK VAT-registered
business customer."
That page also has some other additional information, for example about the special
status of Northern Ireland.
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 07:58 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | * For each qualified transaction, BrickLink will provide a separate VAT invoice
that can be used as proof to customs that VAT has been sufficiently collected.
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This is good news. Presumably this means that the VAT invoice should be printed
and included in the package, so there is proof of VAT payment if opened and inspected.
Is there any guidance for sellers to indicate on the package that VAT has been
paid? I've received a couple of envelopes from China where there was a UK
VAT paid sticker on the envelope, although this did not look official.
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| | | | | Author: | jenwick | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 10:08 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Will VAT be added to US seller's invoices as too? It is my understanding
that we need to charge this as well.
Thanks
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 10:26 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, jenwick writes:
| | Will VAT be added to US seller's invoices as too? It is my understanding
that we need to charge this as well.
Thanks
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Yes, it’s an obligation for any importation into UK, so for every transaction
where the seller is not in UK.
You can look at the table on https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2514 ,
the last row “All other country.”
The other rows are where “it’s complicated” because of North Ireland (There Shan’t
Be A Border Between Eire and North Ireland).
There’s also nice diagrams below.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 10:42 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, jenwick writes:
| | Will VAT be added to US seller's invoices as too? It is my understanding
that we need to charge this as well.
Thanks
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Yes, it’s an obligation for any importation into UK, so for every transaction
where the seller is not in UK.
You can look at the table on https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2514 ,
the last row “All other country.”
The other rows are where “it’s complicated” because of North Ireland (There Shan’t
Be A Border Between Eire and North Ireland).
There’s also nice diagrams below.
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Of course it is confused further by seller status too.
EU VAT registered sellers' stores will show prices ex-VAT, so their regular
national / EU prices minus VAT.
EU VAT unregistered sellers' stores will show their regular prices, as they
don't charge VAT nationally.
US stores will also show their regular national prices, as they don't charge
VAT.
And our VAT gets added to all three.
So EU VAT registered sellers will be the best deal for UK buyers, if they have
roughly average prices after their VAT is added on. Luckily we will be shown
ex-VAT prices where appropriate, so we know to add on 20% to any foreign store.
It is a shame we cannot tick a box and add our VAT on as appropriate in searches,
so we can compare / sort UK and non-UK prices together.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 11:52 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
| | […]
Of course it is confused further by seller status too.
EU VAT registered sellers' stores will show prices ex-VAT, so their regular
national / EU prices minus VAT.
EU VAT unregistered sellers' stores will show their regular prices, as they
don't charge VAT nationally.
US stores will also show their regular national prices, as they don't charge
VAT.
And our VAT gets added to all three.
So EU VAT registered sellers will be the best deal for UK buyers, if they have
roughly average prices after their VAT is added on. Luckily we will be shown
ex-VAT prices where appropriate, so we know to add on 20% to any foreign store.
It is a shame we cannot tick a box and add our VAT on as appropriate in searches,
so we can compare / sort UK and non-UK prices together.
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That’s the same situation for US buyers: Sales tax will be added at checkout
to all three and it’s not shown when they shop and (UK or EU or Norway¹) VAT
registered sellers will be the best deal.
(¹ As it appears there’s a VAT system on BL for Norway.)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 13:54 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
| | […]
Of course it is confused further by seller status too.
EU VAT registered sellers' stores will show prices ex-VAT, so their regular
national / EU prices minus VAT.
EU VAT unregistered sellers' stores will show their regular prices, as they
don't charge VAT nationally.
US stores will also show their regular national prices, as they don't charge
VAT.
And our VAT gets added to all three.
So EU VAT registered sellers will be the best deal for UK buyers, if they have
roughly average prices after their VAT is added on. Luckily we will be shown
ex-VAT prices where appropriate, so we know to add on 20% to any foreign store.
It is a shame we cannot tick a box and add our VAT on as appropriate in searches,
so we can compare / sort UK and non-UK prices together.
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That’s the same situation for US buyers: Sales tax will be added at checkout
to all three and it’s not shown when they shop and (UK or EU or Norway¹) VAT
registered sellers will be the best deal.
(¹ As it appears there’s a VAT system on BL for Norway.)
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It is slightly different as if a UK buyer buys from a UK seller, there is no
extra VAT to pay but there is VAT on purchases from abroad. So when sorting by
price, any foreign stores need the VAT to be added whereas UK stores already
have it added (or it is not chargeable).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 14:34 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
| | […]
| | That’s the same situation for US buyers: Sales tax will be added at checkout
to all three and it’s not shown when they shop and (UK or EU or Norway¹) VAT
registered sellers will be the best deal.
(¹ As it appears there’s a VAT system on BL for Norway.)
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It is slightly different as if a UK buyer buys from a UK seller, there is no
extra VAT to pay but there is VAT on purchases from abroad. So when sorting by
price, any foreign stores need the VAT to be added whereas UK stores already
have it added (or it is not chargeable).
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Indeed. I was looking at it as “which foreigner is better?”
But also, EU (and Norway and New Zeand and…) will be the same soon… or are already
worse as import VAT is not shown at checkout and is a nice surprise, kindly wrapped
with a gentle fee by the postal services
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 15:16 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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Indeed. I was looking at it as “which foreigner is better?”
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There is no answer to that!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 15:43 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
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Indeed. I was looking at it as “which foreigner is better?”
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There is no answer to that!
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Oops, just add “ sell” after “gn”
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| | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | May 7, 2021 14:49 | | Subject: | Re: Changes Due to Brexit - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 155 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Dear BrickLink members,
Starting Tuesday May 11, BrickLink will enable VAT collection for goods imported
into the UK and Northern Ireland to comply with the new Brexit marketplace rules.
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UPDATE May 7, 14:49 EDT (BrickLink Time)
Due to some precautions we have decided to take, implementation of the Brexit
system changes will be delayed by one week. Our new deployment target is Tuesday,
May 18.
To make this change, we will move the regularly scheduled monthly maintenance
back 12 hours. The site will be down from 1:00 PM to 2:30 PM EDT. We will run
a warning notice several days before, and post a reminder or two in the Forum.
Thanks for your patience.
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| | | | | Author: | chris38911 | | Posted: | May 8, 2021 12:31 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| UK Bricklink sellers who turn over less than £85,000 per annum do not have to
register for VAT, nor do they have any obligation to charge VAT on their goods.
So why is Bricklink now going to add VAT to these sellers prices?
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 8, 2021 14:07 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, chris38911 writes:
| | UK Bricklink sellers who turn over less than £85,000 per annum do not have to
register for VAT, nor do they have any obligation to charge VAT on their goods.
So why is Bricklink now going to add VAT to these sellers prices?
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It isn't charging VAT for UK-UK sales when the seller isn't VAT registered.
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| | | | | Author: | ghyde | | Posted: | May 8, 2021 16:13 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| I have questions regarding how this would affect an Australian seller selling
to a UK buyer:
How does the VAT system apply to Australia?
Is it required for Australian sellers to opt-in to this system?
Does the UK still apply VAT for goods received which do not have a VAT paid declaration?
Is this sent to the seller or the receiver?
Is this VAT added on top of Australia's 10% GST? Does BrickLink also charge
for and collect my GST on my behalf to buyers I'm selling to? Do buyers also
get VAT charged for GST charges?
Does this charging of VAT and or GST apply to orders sent out of Australia to
foreign buyers?
I forget some of these requirements, it's been a while since I sold anything
so I would like enlightenment on that which applies to my situation. This whole
taxation system is more confusing the more I look at it!
Cheers ...
Geoffrey Hyde
In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Dear BrickLink members,
Starting Tuesday May 11, BrickLink will enable VAT collection for goods imported
into the UK and Northern Ireland to comply with the new Brexit marketplace rules.
Below is an overview of what this will entail.
Changes at a glance:
* The UK will be excluded from the EU country list and will have its own VAT
regime (like Norway). UK buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from EU sellers
and EU buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from UK sellers. UK buyers will see
VAT inclusive prices from UK sellers only.
* BrickLink will collect and remit VAT on orders up to a value of £135 imported
into the UK and sold to consumers. There will no longer be a VAT exemption for
small consignments up to £15. In this case, the payment method will be restricted
to onsite methods only.
* UK VAT will be added during the checkout process or at the receipt of the final
invoice and will not be included in the item price.
* Where BrickLink is responsible for collecting VAT on orders sent to a UK delivery
address, this amount will be shown separately at checkout.
What this means for you:
* For each qualified transaction, BrickLink will provide a separate VAT invoice
that can be used as proof to customs that VAT has been sufficiently collected.
* In case of refunds, we encourage sellers to use the BrickLink refund feature
to ensure the correct amount of VAT gets refunded. The refund page can be accessed
from the Issue Refund link on the order detail page.
* If you are a non-UK seller and you want to sell goods to UK buyers, you should
opt in to at least one of BrickLink’s onsite payment methods.
An email with this same communication will be sent out later today. For additional
information, please refer to our new Brexit Marketplace Changes Help Page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2514
Thank you,
The BrickLink Team
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 8, 2021 17:40 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, ghyde writes:
| | I have questions regarding how this would affect an Australian seller selling
to a UK buyer:
How does the VAT system apply to Australia?
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Strictly speaking, it does not apply “to Australia,” it applies to UK buyers
who buy from non-UK sellers (so including Australian sellers).
The sellers don’t have anything to do but join to the CN23 the invoice BL will
provide as proof that the UK VAT was paid.
| | Is it required for Australian sellers to opt-in to this system?
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You need an Onsite payment method, otherwise BL can’t “intercept” the payment
to charge and collect the VAT from the buyer.
If you don’t have PayPal Onsite or Stripe, and if it works like the US Sales
tax, the buyer will be told that you “don’t ship to them.”
Note that, since last year, you already need an Onsite payment method to sell
to most US buyers for BL to collect Sales tax.
| | Does the UK still apply VAT for goods received which do not have a VAT paid declaration?
|
Every goods imported in UK incur VAT. What these new marketplace laws do is
make the marketplace responsible for collecting it at the sale point for values
under £135.
Above £135, the import VAT will be charged as it was before 2021: the postal
services will charge it to the buyer, with a fee.
| | Is this sent to the seller or the receiver?
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The buyer pays the VAT, the seller does nothing but attach the invoice.
BL adds the VAT at checkout, and collects it, and will remit it the UK authorities.
The seller doesn’t see the money (if it works like US Sales tax, it will appear
in the PayPal/Stripe transaction as a fee). The buyer will receive an invoice
with the VAT. And as the package needs to have the information that the VAT
was already paid, the seller will be given a copy of that invoice to join it
to the export papers (CN23).
| | Is this VAT added on top of Australia's 10% GST?
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As GST is a VAT-like system, you should not charge Australian GST to your non-Australian
buyers. You should export GST-free. So there should not be double-taxation.
| | Does BrickLink also charge
for and collect my GST on my behalf to buyers I'm selling to? Do buyers also
get VAT charged for GST charges?
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BL doesn’t collect Australian GST. (Maybe BL will if/when Australia have a marketplace
law that forces BL to.)
| | Does this charging of VAT and or GST apply to orders sent out of Australia to
foreign buyers?
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The Sales tax collection only applies to US buyers.
The UK-VAT collection only applies to UK buyers who buy from non-UK sellers.
Soon, BL will also collect EU-VAT for EU buyers who buy from non-EU sellers.
And Norway-VAT for Norvegian buyers who buy from non-Norvegian sellers. And
New Zealand…. And all the countries who will jump on the marketplace bandwagon.
| | I forget some of these requirements, it's been a while since I sold anything
so I would like enlightenment on that which applies to my situation. This whole
taxation system is more confusing the more I look at it!
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Read the FAQs:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2514
You might also want to read the one about US Sales tax:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501
The only apparent difference for a (non-UK) seller between UK-VAT and US Sales
tax is that UK-VAT is checked by Customs, hence the need for a real invoice to
join to the package.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | ghyde | | Posted: | May 9, 2021 15:04 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, ghyde writes:
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| | | | Does the UK still apply VAT for goods received which do not have a VAT paid declaration?
|
Every goods imported in UK incur VAT. What these new marketplace laws do is
make the marketplace responsible for collecting it at the sale point for values
under £135.
Above £135, the import VAT will be charged as it was before 2021: the postal
services will charge it to the buyer, with a fee.
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So if the invoice is somehow missing, even though it's supposed to be there,
does the package still get delivered, or would I expect it to be sent back with
"no CN23 form" or some such text?
Regarding charging it to the buyer above £135, with a fee, does that still happen
if the CN23 form is missing for any reason?
Example of definition for 'missing': Parcel damaged on CN23 section during
shipment through the postal system, resulting in torn or illegible CN23 form.
I know what the US postal system does to some packages. I'm curious to how
shipping incidents will alter the processing of the package.
Thank you for your comments and insights.
Cheers ...
Geoffrey Hyde
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 9, 2021 15:21 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, ghyde writes:
| | In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, ghyde writes:
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| | | | Does the UK still apply VAT for goods received which do not have a VAT paid declaration?
|
Every goods imported in UK incur VAT. What these new marketplace laws do is
make the marketplace responsible for collecting it at the sale point for values
under £135.
Above £135, the import VAT will be charged as it was before 2021: the postal
services will charge it to the buyer, with a fee.
|
So if the invoice is somehow missing, even though it's supposed to be there,
does the package still get delivered, or would I expect it to be sent back with
"no CN23 form" or some such text?
Regarding charging it to the buyer above £135, with a fee, does that still happen
if the CN23 form is missing for any reason?
Example of definition for 'missing': Parcel damaged on CN23 section during
shipment through the postal system, resulting in torn or illegible CN23 form.
I know what the US postal system does to some packages. I'm curious to how
shipping incidents will alter the processing of the package.
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It all depends on the Customs agents.
If the VAT should have been paid but there’s no proof, in the best case, they
can let it be delivered… but with VAT added again and with Royal Mail (or other)
charging their £8 fee. The buyer may then dispute the charge as they’ll have
a copy of the invoice. But that certainly won’t make your buyer happy.
And in any case, if some paperwork is missing, they can reject… or simply destroy
the package.
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| | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 9, 2021 06:36 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Dear BrickLink members,
Starting Tuesday May 11, BrickLink will enable VAT collection for goods imported
into the UK and Northern Ireland to comply with the new Brexit marketplace rules.
Below is an overview of what this will entail.
Changes at a glance:
* The UK will be excluded from the EU country list and will have its own VAT
regime (like Norway). UK buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from EU sellers
and EU buyers will see VAT exclusive prices from UK sellers. UK buyers will see
VAT inclusive prices from UK sellers only.
* BrickLink will collect and remit VAT on orders up to a value of £135 imported
into the UK and sold to consumers. There will no longer be a VAT exemption for
small consignments up to £15. In this case, the payment method will be restricted
to onsite methods only.
* UK VAT will be added during the checkout process or at the receipt of the final
invoice and will not be included in the item price.
* Where BrickLink is responsible for collecting VAT on orders sent to a UK delivery
address, this amount will be shown separately at checkout.
What this means for you:
* For each qualified transaction, BrickLink will provide a separate VAT invoice
that can be used as proof to customs that VAT has been sufficiently collected.
* In case of refunds, we encourage sellers to use the BrickLink refund feature
to ensure the correct amount of VAT gets refunded. The refund page can be accessed
from the Issue Refund link on the order detail page.
* If you are a non-UK seller and you want to sell goods to UK buyers, you should
opt in to at least one of BrickLink’s onsite payment methods.
An email with this same communication will be sent out later today. For additional
information, please refer to our new Brexit Marketplace Changes Help Page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2514
Thank you,
The BrickLink Team
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A couple of things,
"UK buyers will see this notification when buyer is in a store where BrickLink
needs to collect VAT if order is under £135, and seller does not offer on-site
payment."
That means that a cart of +135GBP can be processed with an off-site payment method,
right?
Also the refund calculator text needs to be updated to just say "tax" instead
of "sales tax", just to be in accordance with the rest of the website.
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| | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | May 12, 2021 01:42 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Hi Russell,
A few questions
- can you please provide an example of the VAT Invoice?
Should be as short as possible to save Ink, paper (weight);
Standard size for all orders, without a list of order details.
- is 20% Sales Tax calculated over order amount only, or also over shippingcosts
and other fees?
- will other countries (like Norway..) follow in the near future, do you have
some kind of a plan that lets us see which countries will follow for Sales Tax
charged by Bricklink to the Buyer?
Kind regards,
Diana
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| | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | May 13, 2021 08:21 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, TakeAbricK writes:
| | Hi Russell,
A few questions
- can you please provide an example of the VAT Invoice?
Should be as short as possible to save Ink, paper (weight);
Standard size for all orders, without a list of order details.
- is 20% Sales Tax calculated over order amount only, or also over shippingcosts
and other fees?
- will other countries (like Norway..) follow in the near future, do you have
some kind of a plan that lets us see which countries will follow for Sales Tax
charged by Bricklink to the Buyer?
Kind regards,
Diana
|
Just wanted to share these messages I received from a UK member:
Question:
Hi, you have a brick I really need. But I see you don't ship to the UK
Is there any way you could make an exception? I would really appreciate it, thank
you.
My Answer:
Sorry, but I can't ship to the UK untill Bricklink fixed the VAT issue and
answered my questions (with a link to this thread).
His Reply:
Horrible excuse. You can just drop the one stupid brick in a parcel and send
it, it's not hard. It's probably the easiest way to make money anybody
has ever seen.
Easiest way to make money? Buy packing 1 brick in a Parcel?
Anyway, this is why I would like to know if a UK buyer has to pay 20% over shippingcosts
also. PayPal already charges Fee over Shippingcosts and also over Sales Tax.
Hope to get some answers soon, so I can start selling to the UK again as soon
as Bricklink makes it possible (in 5 days?).
So far (since Brexit) I received 2 orders from buyers outside the EU, with the
request to ship it to the UK and a lot of requests like the one above. I only
ship to the address on PayPal though and I can't wait for the day that I
can give a different answer to requests like above.
Diana
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | May 13, 2021 13:24 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Administrative, TakeAbricK writes:
| | Hi Russell,
A few questions
- can you please provide an example of the VAT Invoice?
Should be as short as possible to save Ink, paper (weight);
Standard size for all orders, without a list of order details.
- is 20% Sales Tax calculated over order amount only, or also over shippingcosts
and other fees?
- will other countries (like Norway..) follow in the near future, do you have
some kind of a plan that lets us see which countries will follow for Sales Tax
charged by Bricklink to the Buyer?
Kind regards,
Diana
|
Just wanted to share these messages I received from a UK member:
Question:
Hi, you have a brick I really need. But I see you don't ship to the UK
Is there any way you could make an exception? I would really appreciate it, thank
you.
My Answer:
Sorry, but I can't ship to the UK untill Bricklink fixed the VAT issue and
answered my questions (with a link to this thread).
His Reply:
Horrible excuse. You can just drop the one stupid brick in a parcel and send
it, it's not hard. It's probably the easiest way to make money anybody
has ever seen.
Easiest way to make money? Buy packing 1 brick in a Parcel?
Anyway, this is why I would like to know if a UK buyer has to pay 20% over shippingcosts
also. PayPal already charges Fee over Shippingcosts and also over Sales Tax.
Hope to get some answers soon, so I can start selling to the UK again as soon
as Bricklink makes it possible (in 5 days?).
So far (since Brexit) I received 2 orders from buyers outside the EU, with the
request to ship it to the UK and a lot of requests like the one above. I only
ship to the address on PayPal though and I can't wait for the day that I
can give a different answer to requests like above.
Diana
|
I still don't fully understand the whole Brexit/VAT situation, but from what
I can gather, it sounds like as long as the buyer pays onsite and you include
the invoice with the package, you should be good. If the buyer is willing to
pay the VAT, then I see no reason not to ship. Worst case scenario, the buyer
gets screwed over and has to pay VAT twice (once to BrickLink and once to Royal
Mail), but with a proper invoice, that shouldn't happen. Someone please correct
me if I am wrong.
BrickLink is definitely not the easiest way to make money anybody has ever seen.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | May 15, 2021 07:14 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Administrative, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Administrative, TakeAbricK writes:
| | Hi Russell,
A few questions
- can you please provide an example of the VAT Invoice?
Should be as short as possible to save Ink, paper (weight);
Standard size for all orders, without a list of order details.
- is 20% Sales Tax calculated over order amount only, or also over shippingcosts
and other fees?
- will other countries (like Norway..) follow in the near future, do you have
some kind of a plan that lets us see which countries will follow for Sales Tax
charged by Bricklink to the Buyer?
Kind regards,
Diana
|
Just wanted to share these messages I received from a UK member:
Question:
Hi, you have a brick I really need. But I see you don't ship to the UK
Is there any way you could make an exception? I would really appreciate it, thank
you.
My Answer:
Sorry, but I can't ship to the UK untill Bricklink fixed the VAT issue and
answered my questions (with a link to this thread).
His Reply:
Horrible excuse. You can just drop the one stupid brick in a parcel and send
it, it's not hard. It's probably the easiest way to make money anybody
has ever seen.
Easiest way to make money? Buy packing 1 brick in a Parcel?
Anyway, this is why I would like to know if a UK buyer has to pay 20% over shippingcosts
also. PayPal already charges Fee over Shippingcosts and also over Sales Tax.
Hope to get some answers soon, so I can start selling to the UK again as soon
as Bricklink makes it possible (in 5 days?).
So far (since Brexit) I received 2 orders from buyers outside the EU, with the
request to ship it to the UK and a lot of requests like the one above. I only
ship to the address on PayPal though and I can't wait for the day that I
can give a different answer to requests like above.
Diana
|
I still don't fully understand the whole Brexit/VAT situation, but from what
I can gather, it sounds like as long as the buyer pays onsite and you include
the invoice with the package, you should be good. If the buyer is willing to
pay the VAT, then I see no reason not to ship. Worst case scenario, the buyer
gets screwed over and has to pay VAT twice (once to BrickLink and once to Royal
Mail), but with a proper invoice, that shouldn't happen. Someone please correct
me if I am wrong.
BrickLink is definitely not the easiest way to make money anybody has ever seen.
|
I don't understand why, but I DO understand what a seller is supposed to
do.
A seller has to register as business in the UK and pay VAT to the UK for every
single order. Selling without minimum order amount - like I do - this will take
too much time for every single small order of a few cents. So for that reason
I removed the UK from my 'Countries I ship to'-list.
If Bricklink collects this VAT and pays the UK, sellers won't have to register
and pay this VAT themselves. So I am very happy with this option. I already ordered
small plastic pouches for the Invoice.
I'm sure more sellers are happy with this option. But as long as there are
no answers to our questions, they probably won't ship to the UK.
Diana
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Questions:
- can you please provide an example of the VAT Invoice?
Should be as short as possible to save Ink, paper (weight);
Standard size for all orders, without a list of order details.
- is 20% Sales Tax calculated over order amount only, or also over shippingcosts
and other fees?
- will other countries (like Norway..) follow in the near future, do you have
some kind of a plan that lets us see which countries will follow for Sales Tax
charged by Bricklink to the Buyer?
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| In Administrative, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Administrative, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Administrative, TakeAbricK writes:
| | Hi Russell,
A few questions
- can you please provide an example of the VAT Invoice?
Should be as short as possible to save Ink, paper (weight);
Standard size for all orders, without a list of order details.
- is 20% Sales Tax calculated over order amount only, or also over shippingcosts
and other fees?
- will other countries (like Norway..) follow in the near future, do you have
some kind of a plan that lets us see which countries will follow for Sales Tax
charged by Bricklink to the Buyer?
Kind regards,
Diana
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Just wanted to share these messages I received from a UK member:
Question:
Hi, you have a brick I really need. But I see you don't ship to the UK
Is there any way you could make an exception? I would really appreciate it, thank
you.
My Answer:
Sorry, but I can't ship to the UK untill Bricklink fixed the VAT issue and
answered my questions (with a link to this thread).
His Reply:
Horrible excuse. You can just drop the one stupid brick in a parcel and send
it, it's not hard. It's probably the easiest way to make money anybody
has ever seen.
Easiest way to make money? Buy packing 1 brick in a Parcel?
Anyway, this is why I would like to know if a UK buyer has to pay 20% over shippingcosts
also. PayPal already charges Fee over Shippingcosts and also over Sales Tax.
Hope to get some answers soon, so I can start selling to the UK again as soon
as Bricklink makes it possible (in 5 days?).
So far (since Brexit) I received 2 orders from buyers outside the EU, with the
request to ship it to the UK and a lot of requests like the one above. I only
ship to the address on PayPal though and I can't wait for the day that I
can give a different answer to requests like above.
Diana
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I still don't fully understand the whole Brexit/VAT situation, but from what
I can gather, it sounds like as long as the buyer pays onsite and you include
the invoice with the package, you should be good. If the buyer is willing to
pay the VAT, then I see no reason not to ship. Worst case scenario, the buyer
gets screwed over and has to pay VAT twice (once to BrickLink and once to Royal
Mail), but with a proper invoice, that shouldn't happen. Someone please correct
me if I am wrong.
BrickLink is definitely not the easiest way to make money anybody has ever seen.
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Since brexit I have only placed a couple of orders outside UK but both times
I have ensured that the goods value has been over £135 because that way I know
I will only pay exactly what I'm supposed to pay when it gets stopped at
customs. At the moment I've been avoiding placing small orders so as to rule
out the potential of being charged twice and any hassle that may come with needing
to rectify that kind of issue!
The ironic thing is with an order over £135 I'm guessing there's always
still potential for those packages to slip through the border unnoticed even
though that type of order should almost certainly be paying VAT whereas the little
guy that places a small order will not only definitely pay VAT but could potentially
pay twice?
Who knows since the changes perhaps every order over £135 is being properly checked
and always made to pay its dues but if the past is anything to go by, border
control has never been very consistent about which packages they apply import
charges to?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 16, 2021 08:15 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, infinibrix writes:
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The ironic thing is with an order over £135 I'm guessing there's always
still potential for those packages to slip through the border unnoticed even
though that type of order should almost certainly be paying VAT whereas the little
guy that places a small order will not only definitely pay VAT but could potentially
pay twice?
Who knows since the changes perhaps every order over £135 is being properly checked
and always made to pay its dues but if the past is anything to go by, border
control has never been very consistent about which packages they apply import
charges to?
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I think most of the imports in UK/EU are below £135/€150, and small packages
/ buble wraps, many even under or around or falsely claimed as below £15/€22,
which were exempted but are not anymore.
IOW, I believe our taxing overlords (pun intended) know how to do maths.
What I don’t get is that it seems very easy to fraud, at least for the seller:
claim it’s, say, Amazon that collected the VAT and let Amazon prove to Customs
/ the fiscal administration that they didn’t.
I mean, at Customs, they just check that someone claims to have collected
the VAT. They don’t check in real time that VAT was actually collected and that
the invoice really exists for Amazon, do they?
Do they even record the amount to be checked against what will be remitted (or
have already been remitted, delivery isn’t instant) by Amazon?
Do they record the total amount or each package?
And if one transaction doesn’t match, will they believe Amazon it was not them?
And if they do, will they turn on the buyer to pay VAT? For less than £27?
Several months too late?
Seems to me that means either lots of tracking or lots of trust.
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| In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | And if they do, will they turn on the buyer to pay VAT? For less than £27?
Several months too late?
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No. The buyer has the proof that he has paid the tax. The invoice and the payment
receipt from Paypal or the bank.
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| In Administrative, Dino1 writes:
| | In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | And if they do, will they turn on the buyer to pay VAT? For less than £27?
Several months too late?
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No. The buyer has the proof that he has paid the tax. The invoice and the payment
receipt from Paypal or the bank.
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Not really: the invoice is a fake as it says, in my example, “Amazon” (or uses
Amazon’t VAT ID) when it’s not Amazon that collected the VAT. The buyer may
be able to prove they paid a certain amount, but they can’t prove a part of it
was VAT.
Then, there’s two types of frauds:
1. The frauding seller says they collect the VAT but doesn’t remit it, so the
buyer paid something that’s called VAT on the invoice but it’s not VAT as it’s
never remitted.
Now, in that case, as it’s the responsibility of the seller to collect and
remit and they faked having done so, the buyer may get off scot-free (literally)
as they were duped too.
2. The frauding seller doesn’t even fake collecting VAT, they just fill the paperwork
on the package to fake it. Then the buyer is complicit and they can’t hide behind
“I didn’t know I should have paid VAT.”
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Llewyn | | Posted: | May 18, 2021 15:04 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink Marketplace Changes Due to Brexit | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | Seems to me that means either lots of tracking or lots of trust.
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A lot of trust. The seller's VAT remittance will be quarterly* and will be
a summary of all VAT due for the relevant period, which will probably not be
the one that's just ended. I assume the sales VAT and import VAT will be
accounted for separately, as my recent order history shows sales from Amazon
EU SarL (direct sale, I think) and Amazon EU (import, I think), but it's
possible even that the two will be aggregated. Obviously there will be invoices
to back this up in the event of HMRC auditing, but they won't be audited
every quarter (or ever, as HMRC are massively underresourced for large audits)
and there will be no link to individual "VAT paid" shipments, and no realistic
means of generating one.
As an aside, the last time I was involved in an audit it was still HM C&E (and
duty, not VAT). It was an interesting experience. They brought in a gunboat.
*I'm assuming that nothing has changed about the mechanics since I last had
to care about this many years ago, but I could be wrong.
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