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| | | Author: | bje  | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2020 02:29 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 41411-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 64454 Medium Azure Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Back
* Delete 1 Part 64462 Satin Trans-Light Blue Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Front
* Delete 1 Part 64454c02 Medium Azure Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Back with Satin Trans-Light Blue Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Front (64454 / 64462) (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 64454c02 Medium Azure Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Back with Satin Trans-Light Blue Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Front (64454 / 64462)
Comments from Submitter:
This container is pre-assembled, so the pre-assembled part should be the regular inventory only. It does require some force to split the assembled parts, so I doubt the split parts can be listed as new. Should have picked this up when I did the inventories, apologies.
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| | | | | Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2020 03:42 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 41411-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, bje writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 64454 Medium Azure Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Back
* Delete 1 Part 64462 Satin Trans-Light Blue Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Front
* Delete 1 Part 64454c02 Medium Azure Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Back with Satin Trans-Light Blue Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Front (64454 / 64462) (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 64454c02 Medium Azure Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Back with Satin Trans-Light Blue Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Front (64454 / 64462)
Comments from Submitter:
This container is pre-assembled, so the pre-assembled part should be the regular inventory only. It does require some force to split the assembled parts, so I doubt the split parts can be listed as new. Should have picked this up when I did the inventories, apologies.
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This was discussed in the admin forum when the first of these sets came out and
this was decided:
"These should be listed separately in the Regular section and together in the
Counterpart section. The fact that they are assembled is for display purposes
in a new set, just like the large wheels in set 8860.
Part Assemblies - Complete part assemblies are included in this section when
they come preassembled as a norm in a new set and not just for display purposes.
The other clue is that official data treats these box halves as separate units,
complete with PCCs."
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| | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2020 04:19 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 41411-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, paulvdb writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, bje writes:
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| | | | Comments from Submitter:
This container is pre-assembled, so the pre-assembled part should be the regular inventory only. It does require some force to split the assembled parts, so I doubt the split parts can be listed as new. Should have picked this up when I did the inventories, apologies.
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This was discussed in the admin forum when the first of these sets came out and
this was decided:
"These should be listed separately in the Regular section and together in the
Counterpart section. The fact that they are assembled is for display purposes
in a new set, just like the large wheels in set 8860.
Part Assemblies - Complete part assemblies are included in this section when
they come preassembled as a norm in a new set and not just for display purposes.
The other clue is that official data treats these box halves as separate units,
complete with PCCs."
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Respectfully, 90% of the stickers are to complete the part and there are additional
parts added to it to complete the build as per the instructions - some of these
sets require an additional 5 parts to be added. Given that, I do not think that
by itself it serves any particular display purpose, unless it forms part of a
further assembly. I do not know about the other cubes because I do not have those
sets in hand, but quite possibly if they are not complete within themselves but
require additional parts to be added to complete the build of the part, then
they should change as well.
The container is not just used for display purposes. As a matter of fact, on
a quick perusal of the TLG official marketing for these sets in the summer series,
nowhere does it say that the container is by itself a display container. It ranges
from being a box, a carry case, a cube, play inside the box, desk companion.
Actually anything except a display container or display box by itself.
One of the marketing blurbs state that these CAN be split, but nowhere is an
image of how they are split or used in a split manner. I do not have a child
of 6 handy at the minute, but I would dearly love to see a child of 6 try to
split that box without some effort or the assistance of an adult. The split is
at least 15 degrees of centre and requires some force. That would probably be
the idea behind two separate PCC's, aside from the fact that the top colour
is used 5 times more than the bottom.
Also, the only time display is mentioned, is when TLG advises that the cubes
can be connected to display them in creative ways - meaning in my view that the
single case is not meant to be displayed by itself.
I did look at that rule as published prior to making these requests, and researched
TLG's marketing as well. I still cannot see how the part is used for display
purposes in a new set only.
Please reconsider as sellers splitting these parts and using force to do so,
would make these parts used if split and then only the counterpart can be listed
as new. This is a bit counter-intuitive as the catalogue does not inform users
that the parts should only be sold as new as a counterpart, not a regular part.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2020 05:17 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 41411-1 | | Viewed: | 17 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, bje writes:
| | Please reconsider as sellers splitting these parts and using force to do so,
would make these parts used if split and then only the counterpart can be listed
as new. This is a bit counter-intuitive as the catalogue does not inform users
that the parts should only be sold as new as a counterpart, not a regular part.
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I wanted the inventories the way you describe, but I lost the battle.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2020 07:19 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 41411-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, bje writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, paulvdb writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, bje writes:
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This was discussed in the admin forum when the first of these sets came out and
this was decided:
"These should be listed separately in the Regular section and together in the
Counterpart section. The fact that they are assembled is for display purposes
in a new set, just like the large wheels in set 8860.
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Sorry, sometimes I am a bit slow, but if these are display items only, why are
they not gear items? These are not naturally parts (since they must forcibly
split), by being for display only, they are not used for "building models or
play scenes" and most certainly, if for display only, then they are accessories
to the set, and not part of the set.
Regardless of whether these are viewed as gear or parts, I say again, you cannot
split this and consider it new.
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Sep 17, 2020 01:38 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 41411-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, bje writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 64454 Medium Azure Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Back
* Delete 1 Part 64462 Satin Trans-Light Blue Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Front
* Delete 1 Part 64454c02 Medium Azure Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Back with Satin Trans-Light Blue Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Front (64454 / 64462) (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 64454c02 Medium Azure Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Back with Satin Trans-Light Blue Container, Box 3 x 8 x 6 2/3 Half Front (64454 / 64462)
Comments from Submitter:
This container is pre-assembled, so the pre-assembled part should be the regular inventory only. It does require some force to split the assembled parts, so I doubt the split parts can be listed as new. Should have picked this up when I did the inventories, apologies.
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Unfortunately these requests will not be accepted.
The site wants to keep these listed separately in the inventories to keep the
one-to-one relationships in tact with the official LEGO inventories and replacement
parts website, since LEGO treats them as two parts in the official part count.
Cheers,
Randy
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