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| | | Author: | axaday  | | Posted: | Dec 7, 2018 22:52 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 10230-1 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Black {44302 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End (Undetermined Type) to 44302a Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End with Bottom Groove}
Comments from Submitter:
I got this set when it was new and have looked for it several times to fix the inventory. Today I stumbled upon it by accident.
Concerning taps, what is our endgame? I have LBG nozzle with no hole and that is in the inventory as alternates. (no information on the white ones because I never built that building) But no one has come forward with a no nozzle for many years. I tried to study the change log to figure out a clear timeline and I got lost. But I think the undetermined taps should either be turned to hole in nozzle or taken out of the inventory.
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| | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Dec 8, 2018 06:48 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 10230-1 | | Viewed: | 17 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Black {44302 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End (Undetermined Type) to 44302a Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End with Bottom Groove}
Comments from Submitter:
I got this set when it was new and have looked for it several times to fix the inventory. Today I stumbled upon it by accident.
Concerning taps, what is our endgame? I have LBG nozzle with no hole and that is in the inventory as alternates. (no information on the white ones because I never built that building) But no one has come forward with a no nozzle for many years. I tried to study the change log to figure out a clear timeline and I got lost. But I think the undetermined taps should either be turned to hole in nozzle or taken out of the inventory.
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As you didn't build it from sealed contents I just formaly confirm "a" variant
of this part. It is visible in this review fro sealed set contents 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQjEOw3FWx8
LBG tap is in this review also visible as "b" variant (unfortunetly there is
no way to confirm white one, way of use in the build make it almost impossible)
So about this tap I looked at this problem.
As I see we are getting close to finsh sorting them. Only 26 sets, 1 book ant
3 gears left to check and sort. Other almost 900 sets have particular variant
in their inventory  So I think we have a pattern and a time line for this
part quite checked and some conclusions can be made for this part
When you comparing timline there is some interesting pattern.
As you can see undetermined one is left in sets from following years:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=4599&v=3&in=S
2009 - 11 sets
2010 - 7 sets
2011 - 4 sets
2012 - 4 sets
In the meantime when dealing with your request I corrected undetermined for two
sets from 2012 (to look if something could be done here) these two set hadn't
alternate tap in their inventories so it was simple checking what variant is
confirmed there in sealed set content.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1118887
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1118885
So from 2012 we have only four left. Three sets (10230 - set you are asking,
4205, 9463) have confirmed variant in alternate section and it is "b". Fourth
one have only undetermined variant but is tough one, it is now rare set and I
couldn't be able to find any reliable source to check it.
As you check timeline for "a" variant
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=4599a&in=S
you will see that confirmed appearance of this older one is only in a few sets
in above years:
2009 - 9 sets
2010 - 3 sets
2011 - 2 sets only! (and both have it in alternate section)
no confirmed sets with "a" from 2012 so far.
So check timline for "b" you will see that confirmed appearance of this new one
is in many sets in above years:
2009- 30 sets
2010 - 32 sets
2011 - 39 sets
2012 - 46 sets!
So there are 46 sets from 2012 with confirmed "b" variant an none found with
"a" variant. We have three now with undetermined which are also confirmed having
"b" but in alternate section. So in this case seeing also that in 2011 only two
were confirmed (from 39 having "b") with "a" I think in this three sets we can
delete undetermine and move "b" to regular section. If somone find "a" variant
in them confirmed from sealed set contents we can always add it to alternate
as in those from 2011.
I didn't have time to check the others left from other years. But in free
time I will come back to this problem and see if more can be cleared here from
undetermine to finally finish sorting these taps, as I said we are very near
the end here.
But before I make such change for these three from 2012:
I will wait for Randy opinion if he agree with me. Or maybe he have different
idea how to deal in this case or some more sources to check.
Randy your opinion?
Or we still wait for a proof for "a" ?
I know I writen this
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1103839 but after above analysis
I've changed my mind. First we could try to once again maybe confirm "b"
for these three sets and then get rid of undetermined from them.
P.S.
about above message link from mentioned threat https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1103746.
There was a try to get rid of these undetermine but it was wrong because submitter
tried without a prof change simple undetermined to old variant "a" and for this
we must have proof from reliable sources. Especially in this case for 2012 set
when no 2012 was yet confired having this variant even as alternate.
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Dec 8, 2018 11:05 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 10230-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | But before I make such change for these three from 2012:
I will wait for Randy opinion if he agree with me. Or maybe he have different
idea how to deal in this case or some more sources to check.
Randy your opinion?
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Well, my opinion for
is quite clear!
I own the set, and I was the one who added the tap without hole as the alternate
back in 2012. In fact, I added a lot of alternates to that set at that time.
So for this set, I am going to just make the main inventory contain the 'b'
version and get rid of the undetermined one. If someone ever finds the 'a'
version in this set in the future, we can add it back in.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Dec 8, 2018 12:45 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 10230-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | But before I make such change for these three from 2012:
I will wait for Randy opinion if he agree with me. Or maybe he have different
idea how to deal in this case or some more sources to check.
Randy your opinion?
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Well, my opinion for
is quite clear!
I own the set, and I was the one who added the tap without hole as the alternate
back in 2012. In fact, I added a lot of alternates to that set at that time.
So for this set, I am going to just make the main inventory contain the 'b'
version and get rid of the undetermined one. If someone ever finds the 'a'
version in this set in the future, we can add it back in.
Cheers,
Randy
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Ok thanks for taking care of this one
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| | | | | | | Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2018 01:28 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 10230-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Black {44302 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End (Undetermined Type) to 44302a Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End with Bottom Groove}
Comments from Submitter:
I got this set when it was new and have looked for it several times to fix the inventory. Today I stumbled upon it by accident.
Concerning taps, what is our endgame? I have LBG nozzle with no hole and that is in the inventory as alternates. (no information on the white ones because I never built that building) But no one has come forward with a no nozzle for many years. I tried to study the change log to figure out a clear timeline and I got lost. But I think the undetermined taps should either be turned to hole in nozzle or taken out of the inventory.
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As you didn't build it from sealed contents I just formaly confirm "a" variant
of this part. It is visible in this review fro sealed set contents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQjEOw3FWx8
LBG tap is in this review also visible as "b" variant (unfortunetly there is
no way to confirm white one, way of use in the build make it almost impossible)
So about this tap I looked at this problem.
As I see we are getting close to finsh sorting them. Only 26 sets, 1 book ant
3 gears left to check and sort. Other almost 900 sets have particular variant
in their inventory So I think we have a pattern and a time line for this
part quite checked and some conclusions can be made for this part
When you comparing timline there is some interesting pattern.
As you can see undetermined one is left in sets from following years:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=4599&v=3&in=S
2009 - 11 sets
2010 - 7 sets
2011 - 4 sets
2012 - 4 sets
In the meantime when dealing with your request I corrected undetermined for two
sets from 2012 (to look if something could be done here) these two set hadn't
alternate tap in their inventories so it was simple checking what variant is
confirmed there in sealed set content.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1118887
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1118885
So from 2012 we have only four left. Three sets (10230 - set you are asking,
4205, 9463) have confirmed variant in alternate section and it is "b". Fourth
one have only undetermined variant but is tough one, it is now rare set and I
couldn't be able to find any reliable source to check it.
As you check timeline for "a" variant
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=4599a&in=S
you will see that confirmed appearance of this older one is only in a few sets
in above years:
2009 - 9 sets
2010 - 3 sets
2011 - 2 sets only! (and both have it in alternate section)
no confirmed sets with "a" from 2012 so far.
So check timline for "b" you will see that confirmed appearance of this new one
is in many sets in above years:
2009- 30 sets
2010 - 32 sets
2011 - 39 sets
2012 - 46 sets!
So there are 46 sets from 2012 with confirmed "b" variant an none found with
"a" variant. We have three now with undetermined which are also confirmed having
"b" but in alternate section. So in this case seeing also that in 2011 only two
were confirmed (from 39 having "b") with "a" I think in this three sets we can
delete undetermine and move "b" to regular section. If somone find "a" variant
in them confirmed from sealed set contents we can always add it to alternate
as in those from 2011.
I didn't have time to check the others left from other years. But in free
time I will come back to this problem and see if more can be cleared here from
undetermine to finally finish sorting these taps, as I said we are very near
the end here.
But before I make such change for these three from 2012:
I will wait for Randy opinion if he agree with me. Or maybe he have different
idea how to deal in this case or some more sources to check.
Randy your opinion?
Or we still wait for a proof for "a" ?
I know I writen this
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1103839 but after above analysis
I've changed my mind. First we could try to once again maybe confirm "b"
for these three sets and then get rid of undetermined from them.
P.S.
about above message link from mentioned threat https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1103746.
There was a try to get rid of these undetermine but it was wrong because submitter
tried without a prof change simple undetermined to old variant "a" and for this
we must have proof from reliable sources. Especially in this case for 2012 set
when no 2012 was yet confired having this variant even as alternate.
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Based on the change log for 10230 it seems that both variants were found in that
set. The white 4599 was added to the inventory in December 2013 by TMX37 when
4599b was already in the inventory. Unfortunately the forum messages from that
time are lost, butthis seems to indicate that TMX37 found a tap with hole.
Based on the log we can also conclude that the set was originally inventoried
was white 4599b and light bluish gray 4599. The fact that it was inventoried
with different variants in the two colors probably means that the light bluish
gray tap had was the variant with the hole.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2018 09:37 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 10230-1 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, paulvdb writes:
| | Based on the change log for 10230 it seems that both variants were found in that
set. The white 4599 was added to the inventory in December 2013 by TMX37 when
4599b was already in the inventory. Unfortunately the forum messages from that
time are lost, butthis seems to indicate that TMX37 found a tap with hole.
Based on the log we can also conclude that the set was originally inventoried
was white 4599b and light bluish gray 4599. The fact that it was inventoried
with different variants in the two colors probably means that the light bluish
gray tap had was the variant with the hole.
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The problem with these conclusions is that the original inventory was not completed
with a sealed set (the Source is listed as Parts List), so the original inventory
cannot be trusted in any way to be a reliable source of information when it comes
to variants. This is proven by the fact that all of the extras were added in
later after the inventory had already been accepted.
The situation here is why we don't accept inventories any longer for newly
released sets from those who do not have the actual set in their possession.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2018 15:23 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 10230-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | As you didn't build it from sealed contents I just formaly confirm "a" variant
of this part. It is visible in this review fro sealed set contents
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I DID build it from sealed contents. 6 years ago.
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