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 Author: dearlydeparted View Messages Posted By dearlydeparted
 Posted: Nov 8, 2018 11:48
 Subject: Catalog: Strongly disagree 3830c0 deletion
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dearlydeparted (5394)

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I think this is a bad call, that complete assembly is necessary, but just my
2 cents, others may disagree. And absolutely not looking forward to wasting
the time to "undo" and reenter years worth of inventory.

"Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel - Complete Assembly - (MARKED FOR DELETION)
Item No: 3830c01

This item was marked for deletion because it sets a precedent for adding dozens
of unnecessary combinations of hinges as assemblies to the catalog."
 Author: JulieK View Messages Posted By JulieK
 Posted: Nov 8, 2018 12:09
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In Selling, dearlydeparted writes:
  I think this is a bad call, that complete assembly is necessary, but just my
2 cents, others may disagree. And absolutely not looking forward to wasting
the time to "undo" and reenter years worth of inventory.

"Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel - Complete Assembly - (MARKED FOR DELETION)
Item No: 3830c01

This item was marked for deletion because it sets a precedent for adding dozens
of unnecessary combinations of hinges as assemblies to the catalog."

Agreed! IMO, no reason it couldn't have just been allowed to be grandfathered
in. There's some pretty good posts on the topic from September supporting
keeping the part in the catalog, but apparently not good enough
 Author: dearlydeparted View Messages Posted By dearlydeparted
 Posted: Nov 8, 2018 12:26
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  Agreed! IMO, no reason it couldn't have just been allowed to be grandfathered
in. There's some pretty good posts on the topic from September supporting
keeping the part in the catalog, but apparently not good enough

I must have been closed then - totally missed the posts. I think the dialogue
and analysis should be revisited by Catalog Admins.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Nov 8, 2018 15:10
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In Selling, dearlydeparted writes:
  I think this is a bad call, that complete assembly is necessary, but just my
2 cents, others may disagree. And absolutely not looking forward to wasting
the time to "undo" and reenter years worth of inventory.

"Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel - Complete Assembly - (MARKED FOR DELETION)
Item No: 3830c01

The items marked for deletion are definitely more noticeable now that I've
gone through and added that phrase to most titles (still have a few left to add).

Here's the thing with part assemblies: we have no choice but to draw the
line somewhere. If we let everything in which fit together, then the catalog
would be overwhelmed with assemblies. This particular part never came assembled
in any set and it was marked for deletion before I became a catalog administrator:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1104767

Rules on what assemblies would or would not be accepted into the catalog were
not written down in the past. I tried to solve this when I was an inventories
administrator, but was told this was an issue which must be decided from the
catalog side of things. Now that I am on this side it will be decided
and we will have written guidelines for part assemblies and these guidelines
will be discussed with the community.

Unfortunately, I've been rather busy in the last two weeks since I was appointed.
Until I get around to addressing this issue, part assemblies are kind of up
in the air.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Nov 8, 2018 15:29
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In Selling, StormChaser writes:
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Until I get around to addressing this issue, part assemblies are kind of up
in the air.

This one seems more 6 ft under than up in the air.
 Author: paulej72 View Messages Posted By paulej72
 Posted: Nov 8, 2018 15:59
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The question on assemblies does not seem to be on the catalog roadmap: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2473.

It probably should be added as this seems to be a valid project.

In Selling, StormChaser writes:
  In Selling, dearlydeparted writes:
  I think this is a bad call, that complete assembly is necessary, but just my
2 cents, others may disagree. And absolutely not looking forward to wasting
the time to "undo" and reenter years worth of inventory.

"Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel - Complete Assembly - (MARKED FOR DELETION)
Item No: 3830c01

The items marked for deletion are definitely more noticeable now that I've
gone through and added that phrase to most titles (still have a few left to add).

Here's the thing with part assemblies: we have no choice but to draw the
line somewhere. If we let everything in which fit together, then the catalog
would be overwhelmed with assemblies. This particular part never came assembled
in any set and it was marked for deletion before I became a catalog administrator:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1104767

Rules on what assemblies would or would not be accepted into the catalog were
not written down in the past. I tried to solve this when I was an inventories
administrator, but was told this was an issue which must be decided from the
catalog side of things. Now that I am on this side it will be decided
and we will have written guidelines for part assemblies and these guidelines
will be discussed with the community.

Unfortunately, I've been rather busy in the last two weeks since I was appointed.
Until I get around to addressing this issue, part assemblies are kind of up
in the air.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Nov 8, 2018 16:10
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StormChaser (566)

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In Selling, paulej72 writes:
  The question on assemblies does not seem to be on the catalog roadmap: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2473.

It probably should be added as this seems to be a valid project.

I didn't think it big enough to add, but I guess we won't really know
how big it will be until we get into it. I have therefore added it to the list
and credited you.
 Author: crazylegoman View Messages Posted By crazylegoman
 Posted: Nov 8, 2018 19:28
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I definitely agree with dearlydeparted on this. I think this part should stay
in the catalog. I know when I buy it, I look for the assembly.

I assume the multitude of possible combinations would be due to all the different
colors that that hinge comes in? Perhaps the only assembly of it allowed in
the catalog would be one in which both halves are the same color? If the top
and bottom halves are different colors, then the seller will have to list them
separately.

David
 Author: WhiteVanMan View Messages Posted By WhiteVanMan
 Posted: Nov 9, 2018 18:43
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WhiteVanMan (10929)

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In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
  I definitely agree with dearlydeparted on this. I think this part should stay
in the catalog. I know when I buy it, I look for the assembly.

I assume the multitude of possible combinations would be due to all the different
colors that that hinge comes in? Perhaps the only assembly of it allowed in
the catalog would be one in which both halves are the same color? If the top
and bottom halves are different colors, then the seller will have to list them
separately.

David

This actually makes sense...

Maybe something can be done to not allow sellers to sell combinations of different
colour sections?

It's easier to 'store' them when they are paired up, but then again,
the individual parts cost more than the assembly....

I know I'll be sticking with the individuals from now on...

Paul
 Author: tEoS View Messages Posted By tEoS
 Posted: Nov 9, 2018 11:18
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I realize that since you've been appointed many things are being accomplished/changed.
However, part of me is uncomfortable that Maggie or Ronald aren't at the
head of these discussions/changes, as if they are being side-stepped in this
process.

They have been performing these duties for a long-time and I think it would go
a long way to create credibility in these decisions, if they were the voice of
the catalog reorganization process.

  Unfortunately, I've been rather busy in the last two weeks since I was appointed.
Until I get around to addressing this issue, part assemblies are kind of up
in the air.
 Author: BricksThatStick View Messages Posted By BricksThatStick
 Posted: Nov 9, 2018 12:17
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In Catalog Requests, tEoS writes:
  I realize that since you've been appointed many things are being accomplished/changed.
However, part of me is uncomfortable that Maggie or Ronald aren't at the
head of these discussions/changes, as if they are being side-stepped in this
process.

They have been performing these duties for a long-time and I think it would go
a long way to create credibility in these decisions, if they were the voice of
the catalog reorganization process.

I would assume/hope that behind the scenes there is private admin discussion/agreement
on the changes.

  
  Unfortunately, I've been rather busy in the last two weeks since I was appointed.
Until I get around to addressing this issue, part assemblies are kind of up
in the air.
 Author: WhiteVanMan View Messages Posted By WhiteVanMan
 Posted: Nov 8, 2018 17:12
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In Selling, dearlydeparted writes:
  I think this is a bad call, that complete assembly is necessary, but just my
2 cents, others may disagree. And absolutely not looking forward to wasting
the time to "undo" and reenter years worth of inventory.

"Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel - Complete Assembly - (MARKED FOR DELETION)
Item No: 3830c01

This item was marked for deletion because it sets a precedent for adding dozens
of unnecessary combinations of hinges as assemblies to the catalog."

You have 17 'lots' of these listed within your store.

You also have the 'halves' that make up these components.

How hard it it going to be to delete the assemblies from your inventory, separate
the 2 parts, and adjust the totals within the inventory that you have?

I did it within 10 mins.

I understand WHY it's been marked for deletion, and as soon as I saw that,
I updated my inventory straight away.

(The only thing I'm prevaricating on is the clickits that I have.....) They
are really a pain to identify!

Paul
 Author: LordSkylark View Messages Posted By LordSkylark
 Posted: Nov 9, 2018 12:18
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In Catalog Requests, dearlydeparted writes:
  I think this is a bad call, that complete assembly is necessary, but just my
2 cents, others may disagree. And absolutely not looking forward to wasting
the time to "undo" and reenter years worth of inventory.

"Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel - Complete Assembly - (MARKED FOR DELETION)
Item No: 3830c01

This item was marked for deletion because it sets a precedent for adding dozens
of unnecessary combinations of hinges as assemblies to the catalog."

I understand the reason for the deletion of this part. But since it has been
in the catalog for a very very long time, and many people do use this listing,
I would be in favor in keeping in around for the sake of others, even though
I myself do not use it.