Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | yorbrick  | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 15:21 | | Subject: | Re: What are the guidelines, really? | | Viewed: | 5 times | | Topic: | General | |
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So getting back to the subject of the post, if you don't mind that is
What should be the guidelines or parameters for what is "official"
LEGO here on BL?
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The simplest rule would be items from official sets. Then other items as custom
items on a case by case basis as BL sees fit, which is pretty much what it is
now.
Not that that would necessarily stop stolen, nightshift or similar items. If
illegitimate copies of (expensive) production parts are made, who is to know
of the origin? The only reason some parts stand out is that they are not known
in sets. Only allowing items that have appeared in sets could just shift what
is made by bootleggers. Although a lot of that bootleg jellybean type minifigure
trade still exists on ebay and facebok for the "rare", "prototype"
parts or whatever other description they want to use.
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| Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 15:11 | | Subject: | Re: What are the guidelines, really? | | Viewed: | 10 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | I'd say:
* anything sold at LEGO on line, past or present,
* OR sold in LEGO PAB or such LEGO shops (and which aren't a local production,
apart if it's LEGO advertised)*,
* OR sold by authorized LEGO distributors or resellers (toys shop, supermarkets...)
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Forgotten:
* OR (especially for older sets) appearing in an official LEGO Catalog for sale
either for distance sale or through their or authorized shops
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(see this famous plane...)
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I'm sure someone can get a possible better or more optimized / better translated
definition.
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| Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 14:59 | | Subject: | Re: What are the guidelines, really? | | Viewed: | 15 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Cutting back towards the point: These items were produced on an official LEGO
injection molding machine by a LEGO affiliated employee. Would these unique items
hypothetically then be allowed into the BL catalog? I say hypothetically, as
we no longer have the parts. Tossed them long ago, actually
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Into the catalogue? Definitely not. There are many parts made by machines owned
by LEGO and sold by LEGO that should not be in the catalogue. For example, LEGO
Discovery Centres used to have engraving machines where they would engrave your
name or a word on a brick. They might still do it, it's been a long time
since I went. They own the machine, they sell the part. There would be unlimited
catalogue entries if they were allowed. Same with the new torso printing machines.
As to whether they should be allowed to be sold as customs, that is another issue.
However, if something was made on a LEGO owned machine, how can you tell? If
those are allowed as customs, they'd have to allow parts engraved or printed
on other machines, as they wouldn't be able to tell them apart. And then
they could end up allowing the sale of IPs they don't have the license for.
As for undecorated but custom parts, is there really a difference? If they are
custom ordered, made on demand, then there is little difference.
| | Now to the point: What does actually qualify as "officially" LEGO
and therefore allowed to be sold here? Maybe more definitive guidelines would
be useful to all of within the secondary marketplace?
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Profound as usual
So getting back to the subject of the post, if you don't mind that is
What should be the guidelines or parameters for what is "official"
LEGO here on BL?
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 14:50 | | Subject: | Re: What are the guidelines, really? | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | Cutting back towards the point: These items were produced on an official LEGO
injection molding machine by a LEGO affiliated employee. Would these unique items
hypothetically then be allowed into the BL catalog? I say hypothetically, as
we no longer have the parts. Tossed them long ago, actually
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Into the catalogue? Definitely not. There are many parts made by machines owned
by LEGO and sold by LEGO that should not be in the catalogue. For example, LEGO
Discovery Centres used to have engraving machines where they would engrave your
name or a word on a brick. They might still do it, it's been a long time
since I went. They own the machine, they sell the part. There would be unlimited
catalogue entries if they were allowed. Same with the new torso printing machines.
As to whether they should be allowed to be sold as customs, that is another issue.
However, if something was made on a LEGO owned machine, how can you tell? If
those are allowed as customs, they'd have to allow parts engraved or printed
on other machines, as they wouldn't be able to tell them apart. And then
they could end up allowing the sale of IPs they don't have the license for.
As for undecorated but custom parts, is there really a difference? If they are
custom ordered, made on demand, then there is little difference.
| | Now to the point: What does actually qualify as "officially" LEGO
and therefore allowed to be sold here? Maybe more definitive guidelines would
be useful to all of within the secondary marketplace?
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| Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 14:43 | | Subject: | Re: How often do you get messages? | | Viewed: | 17 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, sasquatch_eater writes:
| | Just out of curiosity, how frequently do you, as owners of large stores (I'm
thinking 1,000+ orders) get messages from buyers informing you about missing
pieces or broken pieces in their order. I have had to send multiple of these
messages during my time on BL (I really hate doing it) and I wanted to know how
irritating it is on the receiving end.
--Claude
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for me its about 0.5%-2.0% of orders I get messages regarding missing items (and
once for a helmet that broke in shipping). I wouldn't say I'm "irritated"
by them I usually just think back and wonder "how did i miss that?"
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| Author: | sasquatch_eater | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 14:37 | | Subject: | How often do you get messages? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| Just out of curiosity, how frequently do you, as owners of large stores (I'm
thinking 1,000+ orders) get messages from buyers informing you about missing
pieces or broken pieces in their order. I have had to send multiple of these
messages during my time on BL (I really hate doing it) and I wanted to know how
irritating it is on the receiving end.
--Claude
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| Author: | Dhobeck | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 14:36 | | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | | Viewed: | 11 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, adpb writes:
| | In General, yorbrick writes:
| | | | | | | | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
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| | The part has been retired for 30 years. This is 99.9% sure just a test part that
escaped the factory.
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"Escaping the factory" is not the same as legitimate routes such as from
a PAB wall.
It is old. It might have happened a long time ago. But if LEGO wants to stop
illegitimate pieces from being produced and stolen now, they have to put a stop
to all pieces like that. Otherwise, in 30 years time, those new illegitimate
Vader helmets all become fair game to list as they are old and it happened a
long time ago.
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Than what about these known stores that list old "Q-parts" from the 90s
in vast amounts. These parts probably originate from model shops. How do we know
these were obtained in a legal way? Should that be allowed.
https://store.bricklink.com/MT_Bricks?itemID=114736387#/shop?o={%22invID%22:%22114736387%22}
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It’s interesting that the parts are all new after 20ish years
Not even 1 person is selling them used?
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| Author: | adpb | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 14:29 | | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | | | | | | | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
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| | The part has been retired for 30 years. This is 99.9% sure just a test part that
escaped the factory.
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"Escaping the factory" is not the same as legitimate routes such as from
a PAB wall.
It is old. It might have happened a long time ago. But if LEGO wants to stop
illegitimate pieces from being produced and stolen now, they have to put a stop
to all pieces like that. Otherwise, in 30 years time, those new illegitimate
Vader helmets all become fair game to list as they are old and it happened a
long time ago.
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Than what about these known stores that list old "Q-parts" from the 90s
in vast amounts. These parts probably originate from model shops. How do we know
these were obtained in a legal way? Should that be allowed.
https://store.bricklink.com/MT_Bricks?itemID=114736387#/shop?o={%22invID%22:%22114736387%22}
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| Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 14:20 | | Subject: | Re: What are the guidelines, really? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Stuart9 writes:
| | Any images of said items, just curious as to what they produced. 
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It was a lot of stuff, Stuart. Litereally like sweeping the floors of the backroom
of the park display area where we were not suppose to have been, she told us
while inviting us to be
Colors for parts not otherwise found, mold variances, even injection mishaps
as plastic blobs, which she liked as they had peculiar and fun shapes and forms.
Many other unique things too, as I recall. Just bad timing though, and had I
known
As to pics: like I said, it was before our involvement with LEGO. Even so, it's
not been until recently that I became aware of the value of such, so...
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In General, popsicle writes:
| | We had season passes the first two years of LegoLand, CA's opening, my son,
daughter and I. Mostly as a place to hang out when bored, sometimes just somewhere
to eat our lunch outdoors. It was a very nice environment for the kids and I
in the earlier years of its opening. Very relaxed wonderful space for them especially.
Good memories
So almost inevitably, we became friends with some that worked there. In particular
was a woman that ran the injection molding display at the park, my kids speaking
Swedish and her being from and missing her family in Sweden, it just happened.
Anyway, we ended up with a lot of souvenirs she liked to give them, samples from
what the displayed LEGO injection molding machine processed throughout the day.
This was before our involvement with BL and the selling of LEGO, or really even
as enthusiastic fans of LEGO, and so they were just fun items for my son and
daughter to take home.
Cutting back towards the point: These items were produced on an official LEGO
injection molding machine by a LEGO affiliated employee. Would these unique items
hypothetically then be allowed into the BL catalog? I say hypothetically, as
we no longer have the parts. Tossed them long ago, actually
Now to the point: What does actually qualify as "officially" LEGO
and therefore allowed to be sold here? Maybe more definitive guidelines would
be useful to all of within the secondary marketplace?
Just some (anecdotal backed) pondering
-popsicle
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| Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 14:12 | | Subject: | Re: What are the guidelines, really? | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, popsicle writes:
Nice story!
| | Cutting back towards the point: These items were produced on an official LEGO
injection molding machine by a LEGO affiliated employee. Would these unique items
hypothetically then be allowed into the BL catalog?
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I'd say no.
| | Now to the point: What does actually qualify as "officially" LEGO
and therefore allowed to be sold here? Maybe more definitive guidelines would
be useful to all of within the secondary marketplace?
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I'd say:
* anything sold at LEGO on line, past or present,
* OR sold in LEGO PAB or such LEGO shops (and which aren't a local production,
apart if it's LEGO advertised)*,
* OR sold by authorized LEGO distributors or resellers (toys shop, supermarkets...)
AND in all case which hasn't been officially retired for safety or image
(see this famous plane...)
*Example, this one described here, I'm not sure it can be sold here.
But it shows the LEGO brand, has been produced by a LEGO PAB showing its name,
so I'd say yes?
https://www.stonewars.de/news/armstrongs-fussabdruck/
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| Author: | Familybuild | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 14:05 | | Subject: | Re: What are the guidelines, really? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| When Guidelines are in the picture i cannot help myself:
The term written as "parlay" on the Pirata Codex was known as a right
in the Code of the Pirate Brethren, set down by Morgan and Bartholomew, that
allowed any person to invoke temporary protection and brought before the captain
to "negotiate" without being attacked until the parley is complete.
Following that , i argue it should be allowed atleast untill it is clear that
it either is or isnt allowed.
A quantum mechanical approach, approved by pirates.
I say pizza time🍕🍕
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| Author: | Stuart9 | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 14:05 | | Subject: | Re: What are the guidelines, really? | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Any images of said items, just curious as to what they produced.
In General, popsicle writes:
| | We had season passes the first two years of LegoLand, CA's opening, my son,
daughter and I. Mostly as a place to hang out when bored, sometimes just somewhere
to eat our lunch outdoors. It was a very nice environment for the kids and I
in the earlier years of its opening. Very relaxed wonderful space for them especially.
Good memories
So almost inevitably, we became friends with some that worked there. In particular
was a woman that ran the injection molding display at the park, my kids speaking
Swedish and her being from and missing her family in Sweden, it just happened.
Anyway, we ended up with a lot of souvenirs she liked to give them, samples from
what the displayed LEGO injection molding machine processed throughout the day.
This was before our involvement with BL and the selling of LEGO, or really even
as enthusiastic fans of LEGO, and so they were just fun items for my son and
daughter to take home.
Cutting back towards the point: These items were produced on an official LEGO
injection molding machine by a LEGO affiliated employee. Would these unique items
hypothetically then be allowed into the BL catalog? I say hypothetically, as
we no longer have the parts. Tossed them long ago, actually
Now to the point: What does actually qualify as "officially" LEGO
and therefore allowed to be sold here? Maybe more definitive guidelines would
be useful to all of within the secondary marketplace?
Just some (anecdotal backed) pondering
-popsicle
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| Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 13:48 | | Subject: | What are the guidelines, really? | | Viewed: | 138 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| We had season passes the first two years of LegoLand, CA's opening, my son,
daughter and I. Mostly as a place to hang out when bored, sometimes just somewhere
to eat our lunch outdoors. It was a very nice environment for the kids and I
in the earlier years of its opening. Very relaxed wonderful space for them especially.
Good memories
So almost inevitably, we became friends with some that worked there. In particular
was a woman that ran the injection molding display at the park, my kids speaking
Swedish and her being from and missing her family in Sweden, it just happened.
Anyway, we ended up with a lot of souvenirs she liked to give them, samples from
what the displayed LEGO injection molding machine processed throughout the day.
This was before our involvement with BL and the selling of LEGO, or really even
as enthusiastic fans of LEGO, and so they were just fun items for my son and
daughter to take home.
Cutting back towards the point: These items were produced on an official LEGO
injection molding machine by a LEGO affiliated employee. Would these unique items
hypothetically then be allowed into the BL catalog? I say hypothetically, as
we no longer have the parts. Tossed them long ago, actually
Now to the point: What does actually qualify as "officially" LEGO
and therefore allowed to be sold here? Maybe more definitive guidelines would
be useful to all of within the secondary marketplace?
Just some (anecdotal backed) pondering
-popsicle
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| Author: | Erikschoneveld | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 12:42 | | Subject: | Now 50% discount on al everything in my shop. | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| This weekend 50% discount off all my Lego. ( Not the sets, there is no discount
on it) More then 450000 Items
in stock.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 12:29 | | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | In General, Swatson217 writes:
| | I listed sand blue 2x2 macaroni tile and it was deleted. It is from one of the
newer space sets.
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If it is from a new released set that just hasn't been inventoried yet, then
that is really silly. You'd think they would have more things to do than
delete parts like that from sale.
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I just checked ... no inventory yet.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 12:26 | | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Swatson217 writes:
| | I listed sand blue 2x2 macaroni tile and it was deleted. It is from one of the
newer space sets.
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If it is from a new released set that just hasn't been inventoried yet, then
that is really silly. You'd think they would have more things to do than
delete parts like that from sale.
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| Author: | Swatson217 | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 11:53 | | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| I listed sand blue 2x2 macaroni tile and it was deleted. It is from one of the
newer space sets.
In General, yorbrick writes:
| | | | | | | | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
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| | The part has been retired for 30 years. This is 99.9% sure just a test part that
escaped the factory.
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"Escaping the factory" is not the same as legitimate routes such as from
a PAB wall.
It is old. It might have happened a long time ago. But if LEGO wants to stop
illegitimate pieces from being produced and stolen now, they have to put a stop
to all pieces like that. Otherwise, in 30 years time, those new illegitimate
Vader helmets all become fair game to list as they are old and it happened a
long time ago.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 10:30 | | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | | | | | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
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| | The part has been retired for 30 years. This is 99.9% sure just a test part that
escaped the factory.
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"Escaping the factory" is not the same as legitimate routes such as from
a PAB wall.
It is old. It might have happened a long time ago. But if LEGO wants to stop
illegitimate pieces from being produced and stolen now, they have to put a stop
to all pieces like that. Otherwise, in 30 years time, those new illegitimate
Vader helmets all become fair game to list as they are old and it happened a
long time ago.
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| Author: | WildBricks | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 09:49 | | Subject: | Re: How does USPS even operate? A short rant. | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Shipping | |
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| | | | | So yeah, how does it operate
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So much misinformation, but I will try to correct it all.
First, zero tax dollars are used for the USPS and has been the case since 1971.
Second, the pension issue was that, in 2006, Congress required the USPS to PRE-FUND
the pension plan which no other government agency or private company has ever
done. The PSRA removed that completely ridiculous requirement and I would imagine
that the pre-funding that was done 2006-2012 covers their current pension liability.
Third, the USPS was a pretty good place to work and has provided excellent services
to U.S. citizens and residents for almost 250 years until the robber baron was
appointed to fulfill someone's personal vendetta against the USPS/Amazon
relationship.
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Thank you for correcting the misinformation.
USPS delivers 128.8 Billion pieces of mail a year. 7.2 Billion of those are packages.
It's an amazing organization. Their employees bust their rear ends to get
the job done and deserve high praise for working in brutal conditions for diminishing
returns and harsh criticism.
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| Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 08:50 | | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| I wouldn't relist that part without permission, and I doubt you'll get
permission to sell a part like that on a site owned by TLG.
You should easily be able to sell it elsewhere though.
In General, adpb writes:
| | In General, jennnifer writes:
| | In General, adpb writes:
| | The part I listed was" Minifigure, Shield Circular Ridged Face with Stud"
Item No: 3876 in Trans neon green.
It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.
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I think the point is that even if you bought the part here a decade ago, who
is to say that that seller's source was legitimate?
~Jen
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The part has been retired for 30 years. This is 99.9% sure just a test part that
escaped the factory.
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