Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | SylvainLS  | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 15:44 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
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| | And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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Would that move the giant modulex gap out of my color chart?
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Well, in a sense it would because LEGO didn’t always give different numbers for
Modulex colours when they were the same as already existing colours (a colour
is a colour, Modulex or not)… but they also used the same numbers for different
colours (e.g. 3 is “normal” Light Yellow AND Modulex Black).
http://www.ryanhowerter.net/colors.php
| | Does Lego use every number sequentially?
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It seems LEGO used numbers sequentially as they were needed but there are unexplained
holes (no 51-79, no 92-99, etc.) and what I think are “never used colours” or
“not used yet colours” (e.g. 361 & 365, missing opal colours?).
Also that doesn’t address the many-to-one, one-to-many, many-to-many relations
between BL and LEGO colours.
And, finally, it would ruin a tonload of files that use BL’s numbering. Wanted
Lists and Inventories that use the BL numbers but also all the compatibility
databases out there.
So I’d say: not a good idea.
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| Author: | pikachu3 | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 15:36 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | Would that move the giant modulex gap out of my color chart? Does Lego use every
number sequentially?
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Yes and, more importantly, no. There are colors that have more than one number
within Lego's system. There are many colors that were given a number but
never actually used in anything other than prototypes. There are numbers which
probably have a color, but we just haven't found a reference to it yet. And
there are many, many numbers which just refer to "Multicombination" (marbled/dual-molded)
parts.
While I do like to use Lego's color numbers, they don't always work 1:1
with BrickLink colors. Some of them (like new and old Dark Pink) have two different
Lego IDs, but are impossible to tell apart IRL. Others (like all the different
coppers) have been consolidated to make things simpler for buyers/sellers, since
the parts they come in don't really have much overlap.
As for Modulex... Lego's IDs for them often overlap with normal Lego colors.
5 Brick Yellow and 5 Mx Buff are both the same tan color. Same with 11 (Mx) Pastel
Blue (maersk blue). Others have no color match, but may have conflicting IDs.
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| Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 15:04 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | In Suggestions, TBS writes:
Standard Green is actually 'Dark Green' but either way this topic is
not actually about revertng over to Lego colours
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Ok, maybe i messed this one up,
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It was the red which was the opposite, not the green. Just seen this on a blog.
Lego: Bright Red/ BL: Red .
Here is SOME more silly Lego-Colour-Names:
Sand Yellow/Dark Tan
Warm Gold/Pearl Gold
Bright Bluish Green/Dark Turquoise
Earth Blue/Dark Blue
Flame Yellowish Orange/Bright Light Orange
Bright Orange/Orange
Brick Yellow/Tan
When it comes to User-friendly, one should skip this idea already.
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| Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:39 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea.
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I think it's a good idea and logical first step towards harmonization.
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To me, this seems and absolute bad idea. Because the LEGO naems are even more
confusing than the BL-Light,Bright,Standard,Dark Varitations.
I´d rather see LEGO adopting the BL-Names, than the other way around.
But doubt they ever will.
And switching to colour codes/numbers only. Oh i don´t know. htis makes it even
worse, especially by dealing for/with noobies.
If i remind correctly, these numbers aren´t even grouped?, correct?
Meaning, you can´t say Blues are 301 to 320 from light to dark...
They are 4 ,16, 51, 86, 325, 478 or so, because of their time/year being brought
in existence.
Could somebody check this ? Admin?
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:29 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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Would that move the giant modulex gap out of my color chart? Does Lego use every
number sequentially?
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| Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:27 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, TBS writes:
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Don´t change, Bluish, can even be seen in the difference.
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Yes it may look bluish in comparison to the older greys but if you present those
so called 'bluish greys' to anyone not familiar with Lego colours and
they will likey just describe them as Light Grey and Dark Grey, No?
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Yes, they will have to learn. They gotta learn how BL works as well. No Problem
here?
The Point is, while you wan´t to make it super-easy, my approach is to make it
sillyproof.
When you change LBG to Light grey, and Old light grey we end up where we started,
having gained nothing. There are buyers who don´t see the difference in Here:
Light Grey and Light BLUISH Grey. They order and later complain, because they
didn´t pay Attention in the first place.
This is why i would go the "Light Bluish Grey" and "Old light Grey" route, to
make it even more discernable. If they don´t see the difference in the names
then, they most likely don´t care about the colour as well.
| | I think this is about trying to make the site as user friendly as possible for ALL newcomers
rather than just keeping things the way they are just because the regulars already
understand these differences?
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See above, bullet-proof is more importnant than userfriendly to me. Because you´re
not the one getting send the parts back, refund, repeat all the work with the
order again, for no profit or turnover. Just avoidable work.
| | Standard Green is actually 'Dark Green' but either way this topic is
not actually about revertng over to Lego colours
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Ok, maybe i messed this one up, however, saying earthblue instead of dark blue
makes no sense to me.
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No, leave it as is... How is very shorter then pale? There is even Light and
Bright and what not. Very is a good one, and just applies to 2 or 3 Colours.
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You don't think 'Pale Grey' is shorter than 'Very Light Bluish
Grey'?
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ah, i see. i thought you would name it "pale light bluish grey". which is not
shorter than very.
I would pass here. The are 3 very colours, barely sought after.. useless work.
Also you´ll have to come up with "pale OLD light grey" (22 Parts) and "pale (-bluish,
-NEW) light grey" (50 parts) or so. Since its exactly the 2 light grey´s. That
even more confusing.
For very light orange, you have exactly ONE part, a cat:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=6251px2#T=C&C=96
Renaming those seems useless to me.
I´d rather keep that pale idea in reserve, when some new colours come up again,
which fit neither Light or Bright.
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| Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:23 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea.
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I think it's a good idea and logical first step towards harmonization.
| | When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:13 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 115 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 13:30 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TBS writes:
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Don´t change, Bluish, can even be seen in the difference.
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Yes it may look bluish in comparison to the older greys but if you present those
so called 'bluish greys' to anyone not familiar with Lego colours and
they will likey just describe them as Light Grey and Dark Grey, No? I think this
is about trying to make the site as user friendly as possible for ALL newcomers
rather than just keeping things the way they are just because the regulars already
understand these differences?
| | LEGO´s Colour names are the ones who are Bullshit.
How does Whatever "Stone" Shades look alike? Which stones they refer to? It is
as stupid as their "Earth Blue or Earth Green". Absolutely unintuitive. The same
that the BL-colour Green is named bright green from LEGO. How is standard Green,
Bright-Green?
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Standard Green is actually 'Dark Green' but either way this topic is
not actually about revertng over to Lego colours (already tried that) this is
about using descriptions that better represent the core main colours i.e Dark
Grey makes more sense to me than Dark Bluish Grey?
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No, leave it as is... How is very shorter then pale? There is even Light and
Bright and what not. Very is a good one, and just applies to 2 or 3 Colours.
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You don't think 'Pale Grey' is shorter than 'Very Light Bluish
Grey'?
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| Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 13:09 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’
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I agree on this one. Renaming that into "OLD+Colour Name" makes sense, and discerns
the differnce between the colours even more.
You have buyers which are to new to be aware of this, and then they say. "That´s
not the correct parts... "
| | remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term?
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Don´t change, Bluish, can even be seen in the difference.
LEGO´s Colour names are the ones who are Bullshit.
How does Whatever "Stone" Shades look alike? Which stones they refer to? It is
as stupid as their "Earth Blue or Earth Green". Absolutely unintuitive. The same
that the BL-colour Green is named bright green from LEGO. How is standard Green,
Bright-Green?
| | Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
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No, leave it as is... How is very shorter then pale? There is even Light and
Bright and what not. Very is a good one, and just applies to 2 or 3 Colours.
| | Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
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As Non-Native English-speaker, is have no opinion on this.
Delivered. 
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