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 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 26, 2024 15:24
 Subject: Re: Lego?
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 Topic: Catalog Identification
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In Catalog Identification, The_Boyz_Bricks writes:
  Are these Lego? They say "Lego" on them but I just wanted to be sure.
 
Part No: 60596  Name: Door, Frame 1 x 4 x 6 with 2 Holes on Top and Bottom
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60596 Door, Frame 1 x 4 x 6 with 2 Holes on Top and Bottom
Parts: Door, Frame {Blue}

They also say "60596" if that helps. Thanks all!

They look fine. The note also mentions end studs that are partially hollow.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 26, 2024 15:21
 Subject: Re: What are the guidelines, really?
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So getting back to the subject of the post, if you don't mind that is
What should be the guidelines or parameters for what is "official"
LEGO here on BL?

The simplest rule would be items from official sets. Then other items as custom
items on a case by case basis as BL sees fit, which is pretty much what it is
now.

Not that that would necessarily stop stolen, nightshift or similar items. If
illegitimate copies of (expensive) production parts are made, who is to know
of the origin? The only reason some parts stand out is that they are not known
in sets. Only allowing items that have appeared in sets could just shift what
is made by bootleggers. Although a lot of that bootleg jellybean type minifigure
trade still exists on ebay and facebok for the "rare", "prototype"
parts or whatever other description they want to use.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 26, 2024 14:50
 Subject: Re: What are the guidelines, really?
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  Cutting back towards the point: These items were produced on an official LEGO
injection molding machine by a LEGO affiliated employee. Would these unique items
hypothetically then be allowed into the BL catalog? I say hypothetically, as
we no longer have the parts. Tossed them long ago, actually

Into the catalogue? Definitely not. There are many parts made by machines owned
by LEGO and sold by LEGO that should not be in the catalogue. For example, LEGO
Discovery Centres used to have engraving machines where they would engrave your
name or a word on a brick. They might still do it, it's been a long time
since I went. They own the machine, they sell the part. There would be unlimited
catalogue entries if they were allowed. Same with the new torso printing machines.

As to whether they should be allowed to be sold as customs, that is another issue.
However, if something was made on a LEGO owned machine, how can you tell? If
those are allowed as customs, they'd have to allow parts engraved or printed
on other machines, as they wouldn't be able to tell them apart. And then
they could end up allowing the sale of IPs they don't have the license for.
As for undecorated but custom parts, is there really a difference? If they are
custom ordered, made on demand, then there is little difference.

  Now to the point: What does actually qualify as "officially" LEGO
and therefore allowed to be sold here?
Maybe more definitive guidelines would
be useful to all of within the secondary marketplace?
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 26, 2024 12:29
 Subject: Re: parts in non existent colors deleted
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  In General, Swatson217 writes:
  I listed sand blue 2x2 macaroni tile and it was deleted. It is from one of the
newer space sets.

If it is from a new released set that just hasn't been inventoried yet, then
that is really silly. You'd think they would have more things to do than
delete parts like that from sale.

I just checked ... no inventory yet.

 
Set No: 60439  Name: Space Science Lab
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60439-1 Space Science Lab
2024
Sets: Town: City: Space Exploration
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 26, 2024 12:26
 Subject: Re: parts in non existent colors deleted
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In General, Swatson217 writes:
  I listed sand blue 2x2 macaroni tile and it was deleted. It is from one of the
newer space sets.

If it is from a new released set that just hasn't been inventoried yet, then
that is really silly. You'd think they would have more things to do than
delete parts like that from sale.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 26, 2024 10:30
 Subject: Re: parts in non existent colors deleted
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  It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.

  The part has been retired for 30 years. This is 99.9% sure just a test part that
escaped the factory.


"Escaping the factory" is not the same as legitimate routes such as from
a PAB wall.

It is old. It might have happened a long time ago. But if LEGO wants to stop
illegitimate pieces from being produced and stolen now, they have to put a stop
to all pieces like that. Otherwise, in 30 years time, those new illegitimate
Vader helmets all become fair game to list as they are old and it happened a
long time ago.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 26, 2024 03:09
 Subject: Re: parts in non existent colors deleted
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In General, randyf writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.

Which parts have been on a PAB wall that have not been released? The BAM minifig
parts get catalogued and I cannot remember any examples of parts from PAB walls
that have never been released. Even if there were other legitimate routes for
other unreleased parts, it doesn’t mean all unreleased parts should be allowed
here.


I believe a lot of Warm Yellowish Orange parts were recently released at the
Florida LEGOLAND PAB? They definitely were never released in anything else, and
they were most likely old product from the model shop that had been sitting around
for almost 20 years. There have been lots of legitimate ways over the course
of LEGO history to obtain many rare and unique items.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14999163358

Yes from individual LEGOLAND centres (I also mentioned them earlier) but not
from regular PAB walls.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 26, 2024 03:07
 Subject: Re: parts in non existent colors deleted
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In General, M_R writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.

Which parts have been on a PAB wall that have not been released? The BAM minifig
parts get catalogued and I cannot remember any examples of parts from PAB walls
that have never been released. Even if there were other legitimate routes for
other unreleased parts, it doesn’t mean all unreleased parts should be allowed
here.

 
Part No: 18836pb03  Name: Minifigure, Shield Triangular Long with Gold Lions and Crossed Keys on Blue and Red Quarters Background Pattern (BAM)
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18836pb03 Minifigure, Shield Triangular Long with Gold Lions and Crossed Keys on Blue and Red Quarters Background Pattern (BAM)
Parts: Minifigure, Shield

Parts like that are officially released, same with all the BAM exclusive parts.
They are not in retail sets, but they are widely available and catalogued here
as existing. Hence there is no issue with them being listed compared to the illegitimate
parts.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 25, 2024 17:09
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  It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.

Which parts have been on a PAB wall that have not been released? The BAM minifig
parts get catalogued and I cannot remember any examples of parts from PAB walls
that have never been released. Even if there were other legitimate routes for
other unreleased parts, it doesn’t mean all unreleased parts should be allowed
here.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 25, 2024 17:02
 Subject: Re: Feedback
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In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Stuart9 writes:
  Sadly it has now happened to me too.

A happy customer has posted neutral feedback.

Couldn’t expect to keep 100% forever but hate to lose it this way.

Messaged them asking why a neutral, explaining result of a neutral on my score,
awaiting a reply.

Oh well, it won’t affect sales as buyers can see the customer was happy with
items.

Seems, as I've argued over the years, a misunderstanding of the BL "neutral"

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868453

It looks more like a mistake when leaving feedback than a misunderstanding to
me. If they misunderstood what they were doing then why leave lots of positives
with similar comments previously?
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 25, 2024 14:48
 Subject: Re: Feedback
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In General, Stuart9 writes:
  Sadly it has now happened to me too.

A happy customer has posted neutral feedback.

Couldn’t expect to keep 100% forever but hate to lose it this way.

Messaged them asking why a neutral, explaining result of a neutral on my score,
awaiting a reply.

Oh well, it won’t affect sales as buyers can see the customer was happy with
items.

They have left positive for others. Hopefully they realise they have made an
error based on the comments and change the feedback.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 25, 2024 14:44
 Subject: Re: How long for missing parts?
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 Topic: Buying
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In Buying, builditbuildit writes:
  How long on average does it take for bricklink stores to have the missing pieces
you need?
My wanted list got 60% fulfilled in one day
How long on average does someone have to wait for the whole wanted list to fulfill?
Thank you

It depends on the parts. If the parts you want are no longer in production and
hard to find now, then probably never.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 25, 2024 12:28
 Subject: Re: parts in non existent colors deleted
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In General, crazylegoman writes:
  In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Colors, adpb writes:
  Hello,

The Bricklink administration removed one of my selling listings. The reason was
that the parts were listed in a non existent color.
The part was actually a genuine lego part, listed in the correct color. Only
was it never released in an official set, so it does not show up in the color
guide in any set. Is it no longer allowed to list such parts? As far as i know
this type of parts could be obtained in a legal way from a pick a brick wall.

Please tell us which part it was that was removed. It could have been a mistake,
but it could have also been an unwritten rule that we have had to enforce because
of the problem of fake parts. Unfortunately we do not have a log of deletions.

I have an idea. If you're going to enforce a rule, then write that rule
into the Bricklink Rules and Policies.
That way people will actually know
what the rules are. Enforcing unwritten rules will just create chaos and resentment.


There is already a rule that sort of covers it...

Items Pending Official Release: Items may not be listed prior to their official
LEGO release date, either as custom lots or under related catalog entries.


These items have not been officially released, so these items are listed before
the official release date. Of course there might be no release date, especially
for night-shift parts, or there might not be a known official release date but
that doesn't mean that date would never happen so they are still listed prior
to an official release.

It would be interesting to know which part it was as the OP states they were
obtainable from a PAB wall, so this suggests it was already in an official store
and so would not be a night-shift type part.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 25, 2024 08:12
 Subject: Re: parts in non existent colors deleted
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I wonder what would that proof could look like....
An invoice from PAB with a line 'prototype part'?

Can someone give an actual example of proof of purchase that would be accepted
by BL?

If bought from online PAB, then the paper invoice they send has all parts listed.
If instore PAB, maybe a photo of the PAB tower, although the majority of parts
I have ever seen on a PAB wall have already been common parts. Whereas online
PAB has had parts that were not (yet) released in the past.

It is more likely that they would be from one of the German warehouse type stores
or LEGOLAND builder stock than from PAB.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 25, 2024 04:46
 Subject: Re: Nougat Arms Actually Orange?
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In Help, BrickSix writes:
  Hey guys. Not sure where else to post this query, but has anyone noticed that
"Nougat Arms" left and right are actually orange? Is this a known issue?
In one photo on the catalog they look orange. When you click the photo, they
look Nougat. I placed an order recently from a fellow Canuck, and received arms
that definitely looked more orange than nougat. Is this a known issue?

I've illustrated the issue with this crappy photo, but you see what I'm
getting at.

-Todd

The lighting is bad, but they look like they could be nougat hands and medium
nougat arms or light nougat hands and nougat or medium nougat arms. It is a good
idea to photograph and compare them to something where you know the colours are
correct.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 25, 2024 04:42
 Subject: Re: parts in non existent colors deleted
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In Colors, adpb writes:
  Hello,

The Bricklink administration removed one of my selling listings. The reason was
that the parts were listed in a non existent color.
The part was actually a genuine lego part, listed in the correct color. Only
was it never released in an official set, so it does not show up in the color
guide in any set. Is it no longer allowed to list such parts? As far as i know
this type of parts could be obtained in a legal way from a pick a brick wall.

They have removed parts that are not in official (retail set) colours, especially
minifigure parts, where they have been made by "night shift" workers
that then steal and sell them. I imagine that possibly legitimate parts have
been caught up in this.

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1322014
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 25, 2024 04:14
 Subject: Re: Come visit!
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If they buyer did not answer you, you could still reply to his feedback something
like: "reached out to resolve if there was any issue but the buyer didn't
reply"

The issue was "good prices". Anyone that cares enough to look into feedback
scores can see that the buyer that left the neutral feedback was an idiot.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 24, 2024 16:38
 Subject: Re: BLOCKED FROM WEBSITE
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In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
  In Technical Issues, 9_lives_bricks writes:
  Over a month ago, Bricklink blocked us from their website

But, how then did you post this?

I assume they were blocked from using the API. They still have buying and selling
privileges.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 24, 2024 11:27
 Subject: Re: Buyers Spend Limit
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In General, grammasbricks writes:
  Hi there,
Just looking for information on how to increase your buyers spend limit.
Thank you,
Grammas Bricks

Do you mean the minimum order price (store minimum)? If so, it is under EDIT
STORE MANAGEMENT.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Apr 24, 2024 11:21
 Subject: Re: What would you do?
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  But as far as shipping the whole thing back for a full refund - isn't that
EU law? I don't see that you have a choice here.

Correct, and I accept returns. But as I offer an alternative solution, return
shipping costs would be on the account of the buyer. That's at least how
I see it. Would you agree in this situation?

If the item is damaged, the buyer should not pay for the return. Whereas if it
is change of mind, they should pay for it as long as you have made it clear in
your terms that the buyer pays for unwanted item returns.

I also wouldn't want to have to switch out arms in an old torso as a buyer
of it. If the buyer says the torso cracked when switching the arm, then you should
also then have to replace that. You could send them a replacement torso and ask
them to ship the one with the cracked arm back to you (at your expense) if you
wanted to switch the arm out yourself.

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