Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | popsicle  | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2020 23:48 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigue Complete Build Inconsistencies? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, tonnic writes:
| | In Inventories, popsicle writes:
| | In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories, popsicle writes:
| | In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories, popsicle writes:
| | In Inventories, axaday writes:
| | I added the non-can Oscar. Two admins pointed out the rule that every part of
a minifig has to attach together. The trash can is flat inside and cannot attach
to Oscar. He only stays in by gravity.
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Using this metric makes sense, it's logical.
Paradoxically, the same procedure makes the new listing that includes the attached
trash can lid, illogical. Unless the character is known to walk around with the
lid on his head (as garb) without the trash can itself? I'm unfamiliar with
the character, maybe he does?
Just some thoughts
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I seem to remember he does come out of the trash can but doesn't wear it as a hat.
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| | Mind you this one cannot walk, as he doesn't have legs (or arms), so he'll be butt-sliding.
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Had a dog once, that would do that 
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Sit them in paint first and you get modern art.
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Aaah! You mean like a Jackson Pollock with odor?
We could start a new style of art: Smellism!
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Blasfemie!
I am an art lover and ‘the know it all about art people’ say you can see his
mood in his painting.
Nothing to do with his behind!
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Sure, who knows. Has anyone really witnessed Pollock working in his studio? I
mean, consider his work.... it could well have been his dog~paint~canvas, for
all of me! 
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And yes, I really am an art lover but I never saw anything else than dripping
and throwing paint on a canvas by Jackson Pollock but maybe I missed something
when I quit looking at the documentary about him.
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Not just him, but other overly-hyped artist during in and around that period,
imho.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2020 13:50 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigue Complete Build Inconsistencies? | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, bje writes:
| | In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories, bje writes:
| | In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Your request has been granted.
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What about one without the lid? He doesn't wear the lid as a hat when he
leaves the trash can, does he?
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Presumably you must still follow the headgear rule.
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If rules are there to be broken though, why not have yet another version?
We now have a listing for
the head
the head, body and trash can lid
the head, body, trash can lid and trash can.
So might as well go for a full house and have the head and body. It makes it
harder to list and buy/sell by spreading the listings like this. And there are
other characters that come with things that might be important/unimportant depending
on the buyer/seller. It just shows how much an incomplete minifigure feature
is needed. In this case, the complete figure could be the group of four items,
and anything else is incomplete.
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I fully agree, for what it is worth. I have no problem with BL defining what
a minifigure is, what it must consist of, how it must inventoried or indeed how
it must be listed. But then BL must have clear written rules and they must allow
catmins to actually apply those rules consistently.
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The catalog/inventories admin team tried getting rewritten figure guidelines
in place. In fact, we were well on our way to getting them hammered out. See
here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2482
The site management put a halt to it and do not seem particularly interested,
which is weird considering that they will not entertain the option of creating
the ability to have incomplete figures.
Also, users in the forum and site management are the ones who are allowing the
inconsistencies to continue. The more users complain in the forum about the catalog/inventories
admin team trying to keep things consistent, the more site management is overriding
all of our attempts to keep things consistent by creating new precedents that
we have to just go along with. At this time, multiple people on the catalog/inventories
admin team have given up trying to do much of anything.
| | Only then can you actually
have rules for listing items, not before. Only then can you say I will remove
listings with no recourse or appeal. Only then can you say I do not want a thing
appearing in listings. Making up arbitrary decisions and rules to suit a specific
situation on a specific day does not help anything or anybody.
But it is their catalogue, they are going to do as they please and some buyers
will buy things expecting other things and so on and so forth.
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2020 07:23 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigue Complete Build Inconsistencies? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
| | If rules are there to be broken though, why not have yet another version?
We now have a listing for
the head
the head, body and trash can lid
the head, body, trash can lid and trash can.
So might as well go for a full house and have the head and body. It makes it
harder to list and buy/sell by spreading the listings like this. And there are
other characters that come with things that might be important/unimportant depending
on the buyer/seller. It just shows how much an incomplete minifigure feature
is needed. In this case, the complete figure could be the group of four items,
and anything else is incomplete.
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In truth the Oscar probably only warrants one entry which in my opinion is of
course the more complete one! though I don’t have a major issue with this as
long as there are no more than two entries for any one minifig however the thing
I have a bigger issue with is that we are using a completely different reference
number for each? idea078 and idea079 when they are both centred around the same
minifig and so it might be an idea if we’re going to do this sort of thing that
we just use idea078 for the fully accessorised entry and then just add a ‘b’
or something for any alternative barebone entries - idea078b
If the same additional letter is used each and every time at least people can
look to check to see if there is a barebone version of the same minifig and know
how to search for it
We already have some examples of this in the catalog where these minifigs are
the same and use a similar refernece to define a different colour:-
And here it’s the same minifig but without the proton pack though again it would
benefit from using the same letter at the end each time - gb001b instead of gb001i
And then from there a minifig like this would benefit from an additional non
backpack entry - sw0824b
or at least thats my thinking....
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2020 06:44 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigue Complete Build Inconsistencies? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, bje writes:
| | I fully agree, for what it is worth. I have no problem with BL defining what
a minifigure is, what it must consist of, how it must inventoried or indeed how
it must be listed. But then BL must have clear written rules and they must allow
catmins to actually apply those rules consistently.
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But defining clear written rules for how ALL minifigs MUST be listed doesn’t
always serve its purpose for the benefit of the catalog as the Oscar minifig
has shown and it’s better to have a catalog that best serves those customers
who shop here rather than blindly following strict rules that are detrimental
to the way a particular minifig appears in the catalog?
I also have full confidence in the catmins judgement as to what they feel should
constitute the final minifig for each catalog entry as they still follow the
same guideline rules set out for the majority or minifig entries but that doesn’t
mean that other members of the community shouldn’t be able to challenge a minifig
entry or voice an opinion on what parts they feel should or should not be included.
In the end the catmins will decide whether a minifig entry warrants special circumstances
or not but once decided we then all adhere to what is expected based on the final
photo and so it’s not as if rules are not in place for us all to follow?
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| Author: | bje | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2020 04:51 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigue Complete Build Inconsistencies? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories, bje writes:
| | In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Your request has been granted.
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What about one without the lid? He doesn't wear the lid as a hat when he
leaves the trash can, does he?
|
Presumably you must still follow the headgear rule.
|
If rules are there to be broken though, why not have yet another version?
We now have a listing for
the head
the head, body and trash can lid
the head, body, trash can lid and trash can.
So might as well go for a full house and have the head and body. It makes it
harder to list and buy/sell by spreading the listings like this. And there are
other characters that come with things that might be important/unimportant depending
on the buyer/seller. It just shows how much an incomplete minifigure feature
is needed. In this case, the complete figure could be the group of four items,
and anything else is incomplete.
|
I fully agree, for what it is worth. I have no problem with BL defining what
a minifigure is, what it must consist of, how it must inventoried or indeed how
it must be listed. But then BL must have clear written rules and they must allow
catmins to actually apply those rules consistently. Only then can you actually
have rules for listing items, not before. Only then can you say I will remove
listings with no recourse or appeal. Only then can you say I do not want a thing
appearing in listings. Making up arbitrary decisions and rules to suit a specific
situation on a specific day does not help anything or anybody.
But it is their catalogue, they are going to do as they please and some buyers
will buy things expecting other things and so on and so forth.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2020 04:04 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigue Complete Build Inconsistencies? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, bje writes:
| | In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Your request has been granted.
|
What about one without the lid? He doesn't wear the lid as a hat when he
leaves the trash can, does he?
|
Presumably you must still follow the headgear rule.
|
If rules are there to be broken though, why not have yet another version?
We now have a listing for
the head
the head, body and trash can lid
the head, body, trash can lid and trash can.
So might as well go for a full house and have the head and body. It makes it
harder to list and buy/sell by spreading the listings like this. And there are
other characters that come with things that might be important/unimportant depending
on the buyer/seller. It just shows how much an incomplete minifigure feature
is needed. In this case, the complete figure could be the group of four items,
and anything else is incomplete.
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| Author: | tonnic | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2020 03:41 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigue Complete Build Inconsistencies? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, popsicle writes:
| | In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories, popsicle writes:
| | In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories, popsicle writes:
| | In Inventories, axaday writes:
| | I added the non-can Oscar. Two admins pointed out the rule that every part of
a minifig has to attach together. The trash can is flat inside and cannot attach
to Oscar. He only stays in by gravity.
|
Using this metric makes sense, it's logical.
Paradoxically, the same procedure makes the new listing that includes the attached
trash can lid, illogical. Unless the character is known to walk around with the
lid on his head (as garb) without the trash can itself? I'm unfamiliar with
the character, maybe he does?
Just some thoughts
|
I seem to remember he does come out of the trash can but doesn't wear it as a hat.
|
| | Mind you this one cannot walk, as he doesn't have legs (or arms), so he'll be butt-sliding.
|
Had a dog once, that would do that
|
Sit them in paint first and you get modern art.
|
Aaah! You mean like a Jackson Pollock with odor?
We could start a new style of art: Smellism!
|
Blasfemie!
I am an art lover and ‘the know it all about art people’ say you can see his
mood in his painting.
Nothing to do with his behind!
And yes, I really am an art lover but I never saw anything else than dripping
and throwing paint on a canvas by Jackson Pollock but maybe I missed something
when I quit looking at the documentary about him.
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| Author: | bje | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2020 03:09 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigue Complete Build Inconsistencies? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Your request has been granted.
|
What about one without the lid? He doesn't wear the lid as a hat when he
leaves the trash can, does he?
|
Presumably you must still follow the headgear rule.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2020 02:43 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigue Complete Build Inconsistencies? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| | | Your request has been granted.
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What about one without the lid? He doesn't wear the lid as a hat when he
leaves the trash can, does he?
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2020 01:50 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigue Complete Build Inconsistencies? | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, BulbaNerd4000 writes:
| | In Inventories, infinibrix writes:
| | In Inventories, axaday writes:
| | In MY era, Oscar never came out of the trashcan. He was just a hand puppet,
not a costume. But also in my era, Snuffy was never seen by anyone except Big
Bird and was possibly an imaginary friend. I know he now walks around in the
open. So I don't know what change may have come for Oscar in that time.
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Either way given TLG only gave him a very basic minifig head as a body and did'nt
include arms or even his legs if he has them I think its clear that this area
of the minifig is supposed to be hidden out of view therefore making him seem
incomplete without the trash can to serve its purpose
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Is it too much to ask for both?
-Tony Stark
Why don't we make just make an entry for each one?
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Your request has been granted.
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