Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 14:06 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 47 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| In Catalog, bricks2you writes:
| Where would pin hole vs axle hole fall in your approaches?
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I think this could be additional information. The attachment type isn't
included in the titles of many wheels. I have recently heard an argument that
attachment type is the most important piece of information about a wheel and
should be either the first or second section of the title.
What are your thoughts?
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Jumping in here too
This approach puts Axle Hole before additional description:
This approach puts Axle Hole after additional description:
Either way 18mm x 14mm or 18mm x 8mm, respectively, should be (in this case,
since there is no apparent Theme) the first piece of information.
Also, is the D. necessary?
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Author: | StormChaser | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 11:46 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 46 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, bricks2you writes:
| Where would pin hole vs axle hole fall in your approaches?
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I think this could be additional information. The attachment type isn't
included in the titles of many wheels. I have recently heard an argument that
attachment type is the most important piece of information about a wheel and
should be either the first or second section of the title.
What are your thoughts?
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Author: | gunga | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 10:10 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 46 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I would prefer approach 2. You can always determine the dimensions with a ruler
or tape measure but you might not always know what theme a wheel was originally
placed in when added to the catalog.
All wheels (and tires for that matter), should have the "mm" labels for the dimensions
so that they can be listed in ascending order. Also, perhaps the label should
have a space between it and the number, for example - 8 mm x 6 mm.
The 8x6 (4624) and 8x9 (30027) are on page 1 but the next size 11x12 (6014) are
halfway down on page 2. Listed in between are huge wheels, like 24x43 technic
and 70x28 futuristic. Perhaps due to inconsistent or nonexistent "mm" labels.
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Author: | bricks2you | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 06:38 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 45 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Where would pin hole vs axle hole fall in your approaches?
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version):
__________________________________
Approach 1:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 2, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel Town Motorcycle."
Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents of this title section,
the preferred length is no more than two words. Themes should be loosely interpreted
into only a few basic categories (Fabuland, Space, Town, Technic, etc.) to reduce
the total number of themes and avoid more groupings than necessary.
__________________________________
Approach 2:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel 30mm D. x 14mm
Town Motorcycle." Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents
of this title section, the preferred length is no more than two words.
__________________________________
Approach 3:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, this information
is only the information not captured by the tag system.
___________________________________
SKIP TO HERE
Here are the pros and cons of each approach, followed by examples already in
use.
For Approach 1 the pros are standardization and grouping of similar items (like
Technic or wagon wheels). The con is that 82 of the 212 wheels already use the
second approach.
For Approach 2, the pro is a very straightforward system, where every single
wheel is ranked by actual size. The con is that groupings of similar items will
be lost in the places where such groupings currently exist.
For Approach 3, the pro is that all unnecessary information is moved to a tagging
system. The cons are that titles will be visually lacking and the tag system
may not be robust enough to support sucking most of the information out of titles.
My preference is Approach 1. I think it makes the most sense given the current
system, even after tags come along.
I will say, based on extensive experience, that BL is highly unlikely to change
much in the Wheel category, at least not in any kind of timely manner (meaning
within the next five years). But I have the wheels and my wish is that everyone
could benefit from this collection. So I'll make a one-time submission of
the data and change requests.
The only question is this: which approach would members prefer I use to submit
the data? Thoughts or input?
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Author: | Nubs_Select | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 01:10 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| Why not - assuming mm - use the same pattern as tubes?
Showing diameter and width.
(random numbers)
Wheel 27D/8W
Wheel 36D/11W
Wheel 52D/14W
Wheel 96D/14W
Or even...
Wheel 27/8
Wheel 36/11
Wheel 52/14
Wheel 96/14
Just an idea. I'm off
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Those numbers just confuse me whenever I see them I’m starting to think I
need a math degree to understand sizes on bricklink now
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Author: | Nubs_Select | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 01:09 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 30 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| I would prefer that terms like "small" "medium" "Giant" remain for wheels which
are varying sizes of the same piece.
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+1
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That's a perfectly reasonable position. Out of curiosity, though, doesn't
the size convey that information? Or do you prefer words to numbers? For example:
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Not everyone reads size and converts it to item instantly words like the giant
or small can help quickly confirm at a glance when looking at something before
listing it or when pulling it to ship it out
| Wheel Small
Wheel Medium
Wheel Large
Wheel Giant
Wheel 27mm
Wheel 36mm
Wheel 52mm
Wheel 96mm
I'd like to understand your reasoning better. A similar use of size, BTW,
is in the hoses (where words couldn't describe them all).
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I don’t mean to bud in but those are more so very similar and are easier to mentally
picture size wise (I’m probably making no sense rn)
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Author: | 1001bricks | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 01:08 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 34 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Why not - assuming mm - use the same pattern as tubes?
Showing diameter and width.
(random numbers)
Wheel 27D/8W
Wheel 36D/11W
Wheel 52D/14W
Wheel 96D/14W
Or even...
Wheel 27/8
Wheel 36/11
Wheel 52/14
Wheel 96/14
Just an idea. I'm off
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Author: | StormChaser | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 00:53 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 38 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| I would prefer that terms like "small" "medium" "Giant" remain for wheels which
are varying sizes of the same piece.
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That's a perfectly reasonable position. Out of curiosity, though, doesn't
the size convey that information? Or do you prefer words to numbers? For example:
Wheel Small
Wheel Medium
Wheel Large
Wheel Giant
Wheel 27mm
Wheel 36mm
Wheel 52mm
Wheel 96mm
I'd like to understand your reasoning better. A similar use of size, BTW,
is in the hoses (where words couldn't describe them all).
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Author: | Yo_Yo_Flamingo | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 00:07 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 34 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version):
__________________________________
Approach 1:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 2, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel Town Motorcycle."
Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents of this title section,
the preferred length is no more than two words. Themes should be loosely interpreted
into only a few basic categories (Fabuland, Space, Town, Technic, etc.) to reduce
the total number of themes and avoid more groupings than necessary.
__________________________________
Approach 2:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel 30mm D. x 14mm
Town Motorcycle." Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents
of this title section, the preferred length is no more than two words.
__________________________________
Approach 3:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, this information
is only the information not captured by the tag system.
___________________________________
SKIP TO HERE
Here are the pros and cons of each approach, followed by examples already in
use.
For Approach 1 the pros are standardization and grouping of similar items (like
Technic or wagon wheels). The con is that 82 of the 212 wheels already use the
second approach.
For Approach 2, the pro is a very straightforward system, where every single
wheel is ranked by actual size. The con is that groupings of similar items will
be lost in the places where such groupings currently exist.
For Approach 3, the pro is that all unnecessary information is moved to a tagging
system. The cons are that titles will be visually lacking and the tag system
may not be robust enough to support sucking most of the information out of titles.
My preference is Approach 1. I think it makes the most sense given the current
system, even after tags come along.
I will say, based on extensive experience, that BL is highly unlikely to change
much in the Wheel category, at least not in any kind of timely manner (meaning
within the next five years). But I have the wheels and my wish is that everyone
could benefit from this collection. So I'll make a one-time submission of
the data and change requests.
The only question is this: which approach would members prefer I use to submit
the data? Thoughts or input?
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I would like the Train Wheels grouped, the Technic wheels grouped, etc, hence
I would prefer Approach 1
And I agree that words like "small" "large" "giant" don't hold valuable info.
I would prefer the actual wheel rim(1) dimensions on every wheel.
(1) Not the corresponding former tire dimension that some wheels carry:
Thank you!
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I would prefer that terms like "small" "medium" "Giant" remain for wheels which
are varying sizes of the same piece.
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Author: | crazylegoman | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 23:56 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Names Discussion | Viewed: | 44 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I vote for Approach 1.
David
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Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 19:56 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 47 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| I would prefer the actual wheel rim(1) dimensions on every wheel.
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Of course. That's the plan since I can physically measure every one.
| (1) Not the corresponding former tire dimension that some wheels carry:
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Just to clarify for those who don't know, that 81.6 x 34 dimension matches
the markings on this tire that fits the wheel:
But, of course, five other tires also fit the wheel (such as the one shown below).
So the 81.6 x 34 dimension in the current wheel title doesn't make much
sense.
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Exactly!
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Author: | StormChaser | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 19:42 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 52 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| I would prefer the actual wheel rim(1) dimensions on every wheel.
|
Of course. That's the plan since I can physically measure every one.
| (1) Not the corresponding former tire dimension that some wheels carry:
|
Just to clarify for those who don't know, that 81.6 x 34 dimension matches
the markings on this tire that fits the wheel:
But, of course, five other tires also fit the wheel (such as the one shown below).
So the 81.6 x 34 dimension in the current wheel title doesn't make much
sense.
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Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 19:27 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 49 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version):
__________________________________
Approach 1:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 2, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel Town Motorcycle."
Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents of this title section,
the preferred length is no more than two words. Themes should be loosely interpreted
into only a few basic categories (Fabuland, Space, Town, Technic, etc.) to reduce
the total number of themes and avoid more groupings than necessary.
__________________________________
Approach 2:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel 30mm D. x 14mm
Town Motorcycle." Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents
of this title section, the preferred length is no more than two words.
__________________________________
Approach 3:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, this information
is only the information not captured by the tag system.
___________________________________
SKIP TO HERE
Here are the pros and cons of each approach, followed by examples already in
use.
For Approach 1 the pros are standardization and grouping of similar items (like
Technic or wagon wheels). The con is that 82 of the 212 wheels already use the
second approach.
For Approach 2, the pro is a very straightforward system, where every single
wheel is ranked by actual size. The con is that groupings of similar items will
be lost in the places where such groupings currently exist.
For Approach 3, the pro is that all unnecessary information is moved to a tagging
system. The cons are that titles will be visually lacking and the tag system
may not be robust enough to support sucking most of the information out of titles.
My preference is Approach 1. I think it makes the most sense given the current
system, even after tags come along.
I will say, based on extensive experience, that BL is highly unlikely to change
much in the Wheel category, at least not in any kind of timely manner (meaning
within the next five years). But I have the wheels and my wish is that everyone
could benefit from this collection. So I'll make a one-time submission of
the data and change requests.
The only question is this: which approach would members prefer I use to submit
the data? Thoughts or input?
|
I would like the Train Wheels grouped, the Technic wheels grouped, etc, hence
I would prefer Approach 1
And I agree that words like "small" "large" "giant" don't hold valuable info.
I would prefer the actual wheel rim(1) dimensions on every wheel.
(1) Not the corresponding former tire dimension that some wheels carry:
Thank you!
|
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Author: | udenbricks | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 18:09 | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 34 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Approach 1 for me.
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version):
__________________________________
Approach 1:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 2, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel Town Motorcycle."
Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents of this title section,
the preferred length is no more than two words. Themes should be loosely interpreted
into only a few basic categories (Fabuland, Space, Town, Technic, etc.) to reduce
the total number of themes and avoid more groupings than necessary.
__________________________________
Approach 2:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel 30mm D. x 14mm
Town Motorcycle." Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents
of this title section, the preferred length is no more than two words.
__________________________________
Approach 3:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, this information
is only the information not captured by the tag system.
___________________________________
SKIP TO HERE
Here are the pros and cons of each approach, followed by examples already in
use.
For Approach 1 the pros are standardization and grouping of similar items (like
Technic or wagon wheels). The con is that 82 of the 212 wheels already use the
second approach.
For Approach 2, the pro is a very straightforward system, where every single
wheel is ranked by actual size. The con is that groupings of similar items will
be lost in the places where such groupings currently exist.
For Approach 3, the pro is that all unnecessary information is moved to a tagging
system. The cons are that titles will be visually lacking and the tag system
may not be robust enough to support sucking most of the information out of titles.
My preference is Approach 1. I think it makes the most sense given the current
system, even after tags come along.
I will say, based on extensive experience, that BL is highly unlikely to change
much in the Wheel category, at least not in any kind of timely manner (meaning
within the next five years). But I have the wheels and my wish is that everyone
could benefit from this collection. So I'll make a one-time submission of
the data and change requests.
The only question is this: which approach would members prefer I use to submit
the data? Thoughts or input?
|
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Author: | StormChaser | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 17:57 | Subject: | Wheels Titles Discussion | Viewed: | 184 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version):
__________________________________
Approach 1:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 2, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel Town Motorcycle."
Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents of this title section,
the preferred length is no more than two words. Themes should be loosely interpreted
into only a few basic categories (Fabuland, Space, Town, Technic, etc.) to reduce
the total number of themes and avoid more groupings than necessary.
__________________________________
Approach 2:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel 30mm D. x 14mm
Town Motorcycle." Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents
of this title section, the preferred length is no more than two words.
__________________________________
Approach 3:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, this information
is only the information not captured by the tag system.
___________________________________
SKIP TO HERE
Here are the pros and cons of each approach, followed by examples already in
use.
For Approach 1 the pros are standardization and grouping of similar items (like
Technic or wagon wheels). The con is that 82 of the 212 wheels already use the
second approach.
For Approach 2, the pro is a very straightforward system, where every single
wheel is ranked by actual size. The con is that groupings of similar items will
be lost in the places where such groupings currently exist.
For Approach 3, the pro is that all unnecessary information is moved to a tagging
system. The cons are that titles will be visually lacking and the tag system
may not be robust enough to support sucking most of the information out of titles.
My preference is Approach 1. I think it makes the most sense given the current
system, even after tags come along.
I will say, based on extensive experience, that BL is highly unlikely to change
much in the Wheel category, at least not in any kind of timely manner (meaning
within the next five years). But I have the wheels and my wish is that everyone
could benefit from this collection. So I'll make a one-time submission of
the data and change requests.
The only question is this: which approach would members prefer I use to submit
the data? Thoughts or input?
|
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Author: | crazylegoman | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 16:39 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 40 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
| StormChaser, that is the most complete and thorough answer to my question that
I could have hoped for. From all the examples you gave of different naming methods,
would the first one you mentioned (above) be the best one to use as a standard
for the rest of the category?
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Thanks! To answer your question, I'm not sure yet. I think it would be
nice to keep certain wheels grouped together. A straightforward [Wheel] + [Size]
titling system would lose those groupings. See below for an example of wheels
grouped with the word "Wagon:"
Right now I'm thinking [Wheel] + [Category] + [Size] might be best.
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That does make sense to keep those keywords in the same section of the part's
name so that parts like the wagon wheels end up near each other in search results.
I agree that the size being the last part makes sense too.
David
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Author: | jennnifer | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 13:42 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 43 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
| StormChaser, that is the most complete and thorough answer to my question that
I could have hoped for. From all the examples you gave of different naming methods,
would the first one you mentioned (above) be the best one to use as a standard
for the rest of the category?
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Thanks! To answer your question, I'm not sure yet. I think it would be
nice to keep certain wheels grouped together. A straightforward [Wheel] + [Size]
titling system would lose those groupings. See below for an example of wheels
grouped with the word "Wagon:"
Right now I'm thinking [Wheel] + [Category] + [Size] might be best.
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I do like the idea of keeping similar items grouped together this way. Good luck
with this project! Let me know if there is anything I can help with.
Jen
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Author: | StormChaser | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 13:36 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 38 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
| StormChaser, that is the most complete and thorough answer to my question that
I could have hoped for. From all the examples you gave of different naming methods,
would the first one you mentioned (above) be the best one to use as a standard
for the rest of the category?
|
Thanks! To answer your question, I'm not sure yet. I think it would be
nice to keep certain wheels grouped together. A straightforward [Wheel] + [Size]
titling system would lose those groupings. See below for an example of wheels
grouped with the word "Wagon:"
Right now I'm thinking [Wheel] + [Category] + [Size] might be best.
|
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Author: | crazylegoman | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 10:17 | Subject: | Re: How is Years Released calculated? | Viewed: | 31 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randy_f writes:
| The years released gets updated once a day during daily maintenance. It does
not update in real time.
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That explains why today it now says 2022 as the most recent year for that part.
Thanks!
David
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Author: | crazylegoman | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 10:15 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 41 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
StormChaser, that is the most complete and thorough answer to my question that
I could have hoped for. From all the examples you gave of different naming methods,
would the first one you mentioned (above) be the best one to use as a standard
for the rest of the category?
Overall, it appears that the Wheels category has become messy name-wise due to
a Too-Many-Cooks-Spoil-the-Broth situation. Over the years several different
people, all of whom had good intentions, submitted the parts, and there was no
naming standard, so now it is just as you said—a mess.
David
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Author: | mjcarrabine | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 09:29 | Subject: | Re: Request to add new Pearl colors - Rahkshi | Viewed: | 40 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog Requests, ToastBubbles writes:
| Below are four colors that I would like to see added to the Bricklink catalog:
-Pearl Blue
-Pearl Brown
-Pearl Green
-Pearl Red
These four colors were used in the Rahkshi Bionicles. If you look at the parts
from each set (Item No: 44807 for example), you can tell that buyers and sellers
are clearly confused, they are listing the parts as "Metallic Green" and even
"Chrome Green" because the parts have a more metallic look than just regular
green/blue/red/brown.
LEGO does have IDs/names for these colors (and so does BrickOwl):
138-Metallic Bright Blue
187-Metallic Earth-Orange
136-Metallic Dark Green
184-Metallic Bright Red
Each color should only have 3 known parts each: 44138, 44807, and 44140. (unless
I am missing something).
We already have Pearl White and Pearl Black, so I'm not quite sure why the
rest weren't added.
This addition was originally brought up by grey_beard in the Colors forum several
months ago, but seemed to be forgotten, so hopefully bringing it up here gets
more traction.
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I second this.
I just tried ordering some missing parts from my Rebrickable inventory. The missing
Pearl Red resulted in color = not applicable. I didn’t notice it until I received
BLUE parts.
Now I know why. It would be really helpful if these colors were added.
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Author: | WoutR | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 05:50 | Subject: | Re: Marbled 2x8 Plate 03034? | Viewed: | 32 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| In Catalog, SillyJillie writes:
| I came across a plate that appears to be very light bluish gray, marbled with
white and dark bluish gray, but I cannot find this in the catalog under decorated
or by its own color. Can anyone point me in the right direction? part number
printed underneath is 03034 rather than 3034
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It might be Pearl Light Gray. That is not a known color for , but that
does not mean it can't exist. Compare that's also an 'unknown'
color although there are some for sale and quite a bunch in my own collection.
If not Pearl Light Gray, yours may be a marbled brick, a production error.
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I have one, they exist.
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Author: | randyf | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 00:27 | Subject: | Re: How is Years Released calculated? | Viewed: | 42 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
| When looking at a part in the catalog, we can see the Years Released (first thing
under Item Info.) I had always thought that that span of years was based on
the earliest and latest years that that part had been in any set in any color.
I also thought that when an inventory is approved and shows up in the catalog,
the span of years is updated immediately, but maybe that's not the case.
Today I noticed that the inventory for
was just added. That set includes the following part:
The Wild Animals of Europe set is a new one from 2022. Since that set includes
part 11344, shouldn't the Years Released info automatically update to show
the most recent year being 2022? It currently shows 2019.
David
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The years released gets updated once a day during daily maintenance. It does
not update in real time.
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Author: | StormChaser | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 15:51 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 73 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
| As someone who doesn't buy many wheels at all, what is it that makes the
Wheels category "currently a genuine mess"?
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Fair question.
The primary issue is titles. The default sorting is by title and at least 11
different methods of titling are used, causing wheels to be sorted in non-intuitive
ways. Here are those titling methods:
Actual physical size:
Theme:
Physical characteristic:
Use:
Generic physical size ("small"):
* | | 41865 Wheel Small Wide Hard Plastic Slick, Hole Notched for Wheels Holder Pin Parts: Wheel |
Set name:
The word "with":
TLG "size:"
And then those where "Wheel" is not the first word in the title:
Former BrickLink category name:
Theme:
Use:
For a category with only 212 items, those are a significant amount of different
methods of titling. And then you have multiple instances where similar items
are titled differently (also, the comma in the second example causes items to
sort to the bottom of the list):
* | | wheel4 Train Wheel Spoked Large (29mm D.) with FreeStyle Pin Hole Parts: Wheel |
In addition, the small and large identifiers are unhelpful. There are 29 train
wheels in the catalog. The words small and large clarify nothing.
Additionally, there are a few instances of wheels being not categorized as wheels
or non-wheels being categorized as wheels. There are missing item relationships
and additional notes. Variants are not known in some cases. Pictures are sometimes
poor quality and sizes are missing. Those are the reasons I called things a
mess - because the current state of things resembles an amateur effort rather
than a planned, professional cataloging system.
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Author: | Nubs_Select | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 14:10 | Subject: | Re: How is Years Released calculated? | Viewed: | 33 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | Probbaly give it a day and after daily maintenance it will probably change
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Agreed - see, you're not so bad!!!
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Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 14:00 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 53 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| […]
Please don't remove these keywords from the item names, at least not without
considering the implications outside the primary Bricklink user interface.
Most importantly: the Bricklink item names with all those keywords are used in
Studio as well.
And just searching through my own collection in Excel - by means of the downloaded
Bricklink catalogue and Bricklink orders - would be a pain without having those
keywords as part of the item names.
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Well, it’s indeed to be hoped that:
— there’ll be a “tags” column (/element) in the downloads,
— Studio will know to search the tags (and maybe have a special UI… hmm, maybe
I should ask the devs (multi-pronged attack )).
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Author: | 1001bricks | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 13:59 | Subject: | Re: How is Years Released calculated? | Viewed: | 36 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | Probbaly give it a day and after daily maintenance it will probably change
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Agreed - see, you're not so bad!!!
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Author: | Nubs_Select | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 13:48 | Subject: | Re: How is Years Released calculated? | Viewed: | 32 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
| When looking at a part in the catalog, we can see the Years Released (first thing
under Item Info.) I had always thought that that span of years was based on
the earliest and latest years that that part had been in any set in any color.
I also thought that when an inventory is approved and shows up in the catalog,
the span of years is updated immediately, but maybe that's not the case.
Today I noticed that the inventory for
was just added. That set includes the following part:
The Wild Animals of Europe set is a new one from 2022. Since that set includes
part 11344, shouldn't the Years Released info automatically update to show
the most recent year being 2022? It currently shows 2019.
David
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Probbaly give it a day and after daily maintenance it will probably change
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Author: | crazylegoman | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 13:39 | Subject: | How is Years Released calculated? | Viewed: | 77 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| When looking at a part in the catalog, we can see the Years Released (first thing
under Item Info.) I had always thought that that span of years was based on
the earliest and latest years that that part had been in any set in any color.
I also thought that when an inventory is approved and shows up in the catalog,
the span of years is updated immediately, but maybe that's not the case.
Today I noticed that the inventory for
was just added. That set includes the following part:
The Wild Animals of Europe set is a new one from 2022. Since that set includes
part 11344, shouldn't the Years Released info automatically update to show
the most recent year being 2022? It currently shows 2019.
David
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Author: | crazylegoman | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 13:19 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 60 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| As someone who doesn't buy many wheels at all, what is it that makes the
Wheels category "currently a genuine mess"?
David
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Author: | hpoort | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 12:36 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 64 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
[...]
| A lot of the inconsistencies you mentioned involve the item name. As you know,
we have a project with tags coming soon, and ideally many of the keywords in
the item name will becomes tags and be removed. So eventually we want to have
all the descriptors available somewhere in a searcheable field.
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[...]
Please don't remove these keywords from the item names, at least not without
considering the implications outside the primary Bricklink user interface.
Most importantly: the Bricklink item names with all those keywords are used in
Studio as well.
And just searching through my own collection in Excel - by means of the downloaded
Bricklink catalogue and Bricklink orders - would be a pain without having those
keywords as part of the item names.
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Author: | Admin_Russell | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 12:31 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 98 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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BrickLink ID CardAdmin_Russell
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Location: USA, California |
Member Since |
Contact |
Type |
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May 9, 2017 |
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BrickLink Administrator |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| I have all the LEGO wheels (in all the colors) from the 1970s to now. Two months
ago, on October 4th, I offered to help organize the wheels section of the BL
catalog (because it's currently a genuine mess).
I sent that offer of assistance to the catalog team, which apparently consists
of the two volunteer administrators and five BrickLink employees.
My offer was completely ignored by the catalog team. I think it was fair to
give them two months before expressing my discontent publicly. BrickLink members,
and especially members willing to contribute, should be treated better than this.
|
We did receive your message and we talked about it. My apologies that no one
got back to you, but we didn't really finish the discussion.
As many fans know, the LEGO Group is the largest producer of tires in the world,
and it's something we are all proud of. Those who use the catalog know that
these types of parts are often confused for one another, and there have been
some great efforts made in the past to help users navigate through the wide selection
available on Bricklink - a double-sided sheet prepared by Jennnifer comes to
mind.
So we do think the project is important and we want it to happen. However, it
would be best to split it into manageable sections. First, we recommend starting
with these:
1) Incorrect or missing weights and packing dimensions.
2) Better photos, especially for assemblies that currently do not have an image.
A lot of the inconsistencies you mentioned involve the item name. As you know,
we have a project with tags coming soon, and ideally many of the keywords in
the item name will becomes tags and be removed. So eventually we want to have
all the descriptors available somewhere in a searcheable field.
If you would like to take a stab at making some rules for the item name, please
go ahead. It is likely that no one has ever thought through the issue with these
particular parts very deeply, and we might find some easy fixes that everyone
can agree on. And by everyone, I am including the Forum crowd here.
I'll send you a private message later on when I've had a chance to read
your proposal in more detail.
And welcome back to the Forum.
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Author: | Nubs_Select | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 11:46 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 46 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | I also have variants, including some about which BrickLink is unaware.
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Those sound like lots of fun!
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Author: | StormChaser | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 11:20 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 68 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| The photos of your collection on display were amazing. It's a treasure!
|
Thank you! It was a lot of work to put together!
_______________________________________________
In Catalog, popsicle writes:
| How were you in this regard when you served as Catalog Administrator, Robert?
I remember you being very attentive with those that showed-up here in the forum
with catalog questions/concerns, but privately? Sincere question
|
I was not perfect, but I could count on one hand the number of times I regretted
my behavior toward members. And I absolutely tried to engage with everyone,
even if the answer was "no." Still, my past performance in this role is not
relevant to the website's current customer service experience.
________________________________________________
In Catalog, marlinjc writes:
| Is your wheel section available on line anywhere? Sounds very useful.
|
Unfortunately, it's not available online. And it is quite useful, but more
from the perspective of being able to physically handle the wheels and compare
them. I did post pictures here:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1367692
_______________________________________________
In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
| Is your collection limited to retail colors, or did you track down all known
prototype/unreleased colors too?
|
I have about 30 unreleased colors. I put them in their own section on the boards.
I'm sure I didn't track down all of the colors, since it would be impossible
to know what all of them are. I also have variants, including some about which
BrickLink is unaware.
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Author: | LordSkylark | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 10:41 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 50 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| I have all the LEGO wheels (in all the colors) from the 1970s to now. Two months
ago, on October 4th, I offered to help organize the wheels section of the BL
|
This is not a negative comment by any means, just curious.
Is your collection limited to retail colors, or did you track down all known
prototype/unreleased colors too?
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Author: | marlinjc | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 10:38 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 46 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Is your wheel section available on line anywhere? Sounds very useful.
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| I have all the LEGO wheels (in all the colors) from the 1970s to now. Two months
ago, on October 4th, I offered to help organize the wheels section of the BL
catalog (because it's currently a genuine mess).
I sent that offer of assistance to the catalog team, which apparently consists
of the two volunteer administrators and five BrickLink employees.
My offer was completely ignored by the catalog team. I think it was fair to
give them two months before expressing my discontent publicly. BrickLink members,
and especially members willing to contribute, should be treated better than this.
Dismiss, patronize, and ignore is not an effective customer service strategy.
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Author: | WoutR | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 09:06 | Subject: | Re: Wheels | Viewed: | 54 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| I have all the LEGO wheels (in all the colors) from the 1970s to now. Two months
ago, on October 4th, I offered to help organize the wheels section of the BL
catalog (because it's currently a genuine mess).
I sent that offer of assistance to the catalog team, which apparently consists
of the two volunteer administrators and five BrickLink employees.
My offer was completely ignored by the catalog team. I think it was fair to
give them two months before expressing my discontent publicly. BrickLink members,
and especially members willing to contribute, should be treated better than this.
Dismiss, patronize, and ignore is not an effective customer service strategy.
|
The photos of your collection on display were amazing. It's a treasure!
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Author: | StormChaser | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 08:50 | Subject: | Wheels | Viewed: | 241 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| I have all the LEGO wheels (in all the colors) from the 1970s to now. Two months
ago, on October 4th, I offered to help organize the wheels section of the BL
catalog (because it's currently a genuine mess).
I sent that offer of assistance to the catalog team, which apparently consists
of the two volunteer administrators and five BrickLink employees.
My offer was completely ignored by the catalog team. I think it was fair to
give them two months before expressing my discontent publicly. BrickLink members,
and especially members willing to contribute, should be treated better than this.
Dismiss, patronize, and ignore is not an effective customer service strategy.
|
|
Author: | hpoort | Posted: | Dec 3, 2022 02:27 | Subject: | Re: Marbled 2x8 Plate 03034? | Viewed: | 34 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, SillyJillie writes:
| I came across a plate that appears to be very light bluish gray, marbled with
white and dark bluish gray, but I cannot find this in the catalog under decorated
or by its own color. Can anyone point me in the right direction? part number
printed underneath is 03034 rather than 3034
|
It might be Pearl Light Gray. That is not a known color for , but that
does not mean it can't exist. Compare that's also an 'unknown'
color although there are some for sale and quite a bunch in my own collection.
If not Pearl Light Gray, yours may be a marbled brick, a production error.
|
|
Author: | SillyJillie | Posted: | Dec 2, 2022 23:02 | Subject: | Marbled 2x8 Plate 03034? | Viewed: | 71 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
|
| I came across a plate that appears to be very light bluish gray, marbled with
white and dark bluish gray, but I cannot find this in the catalog under decorated
or by its own color. Can anyone point me in the right direction? part number
printed underneath is 03034 rather than 3034
|
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Author: | TheK79 | Posted: | Dec 2, 2022 22:24 | Subject: | Re: Vintage parts | Viewed: | 27 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, ccroxton writes:
| If you were really trying to recreate authentic
vintage sets, wouldn't you need to select from vintage PN?
|
The main problem would still be not knowing, which version belongs to which set.
It's much more likely, it often took Lego several years to get old versions
out of stock or even production.
I've currently split 3001old in up to seven variations, and that only covers
split tubes, pat pend (all three versions exist with and without splits!) and
the CA bricks. There are probably several more versions within the "not split,
pat pend" ones for the Logo and a "bar" along the middle. Damn, these things
have clutch power like superglue And if you think, you have seen everything,
there comes a few "pend Pat" (jup, the lines mixed up…) or the whole writing
moved to the right…
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Author: | randyf | Posted: | Dec 2, 2022 14:17 | Subject: | Re: Change log not showing change? | Viewed: | 32 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| Hi,
I'm curious why certain items change logs don't show previous names?
I know this figure was called "Kickboxer Girl - Minifigure only Entry"
as recently as May - 2020, yet the change log only shows it was ever called Boxing
Champ ect.
The CMF's set change log includes the kickboxer girl verbiage.
|
The names have been altered to be in line with the official LEGO name. Since
I did the updates manually through the admin forms, there will be no log of the
changes. This was one of two minifigures in the series that needed their names
updated, so thanks for bringing this to our attention.
Cheers,
Randy
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Author: | jennnifer | Posted: | Dec 2, 2022 11:43 | Subject: | Re: Change log not showing change? | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| Hi,
I'm curious why certain items change logs don't show previous names?
I know this figure was called "Kickboxer Girl - Minifigure only Entry"
as recently as May - 2020, yet the change log only shows it was ever called Boxing
Champ ect.
The CMF's set change log includes the kickboxer girl verbiage.
|
It is my understanding that the Change Log only handles changes made through
the Change Item requests. It is possible for admin to make changes behind the
scenes without them showing up there. I am not sure of the exact nature of when
and how that happens.
Jen
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Author: | runner.caller | Posted: | Dec 2, 2022 11:38 | Subject: | Change log not showing change? | Viewed: | 57 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| Hi,
I'm curious why certain items change logs don't show previous names?
I know this figure was called "Kickboxer Girl - Minifigure only Entry"
as recently as May - 2020, yet the change log only shows it was ever called Boxing
Champ ect.
The CMF's set change log includes the kickboxer girl verbiage.
|
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Author: | jennnifer | Posted: | Dec 1, 2022 21:17 | Subject: | Re: List of parts 76214 and 76213 | Viewed: | 52 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 4jakub4 writes:
| So can I do this? I have this set and it is waiting to be added to my shop by
parting out, but I don't know how to do this.
|
Hello,
I am happy to answer questions or walk you through the process.
The minifigs for 76214 are already in the catalog so it shouldn't be too
difficult. You may need to take images of any new parts or sticker sheets.
(I actually have 76213 on order so that one will be added fairly soon if you
want to wait a little longer on it. Either way, I can help you out.)
Here is a Help page to get you started.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1103
The instructions make it seem pretty complicated, but it gets easier after you've
seen all the steps in action.
Feel free to send me a message or post questions here.
Thanks,
Jen
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Author: | 4jakub4 | Posted: | Dec 1, 2022 16:09 | Subject: | Re: List of parts 76214 and 76213 | Viewed: | 25 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| So can I do this? I have this set and it is waiting to be added to my shop by
parting out, but I don't know how to do this.
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Author: | randyf | Posted: | Dec 1, 2022 16:02 | Subject: | Re: List of parts 76214 and 76213 | Viewed: | 23 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog Requests, 4jakub4 writes:
| Hello
I just want to ask: when will you add a list of parts of sets 76214 and 76213?
(sets from Black Panther movie).
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When someone that has a sealed set decides that they would like to provide the
inventory to BrickLink.
Cheers,
Randy
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Author: | Nubs_Select | Posted: | Dec 1, 2022 16:01 | Subject: | Re: List of parts 76214 and 76213 | Viewed: | 21 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| set inventories are added by volunteers like you and me so there isn't any
set date they will be added but will get added once a volunteer goes thru the
process of adding the inventory
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Author: | 4jakub4 | Posted: | Dec 1, 2022 15:59 | Subject: | List of parts 76214 and 76213 | Viewed: | 62 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| Hello
I just want to ask: when will you add a list of parts of sets 76214 and 76213?
(sets from Black Panther movie).
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Author: | Alizarin | Posted: | Nov 28, 2022 16:44 | Subject: | Re: Weight of Boxes | Viewed: | 31 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| In Catalog, Alizarin writes:
| Hello,
I was going to weigh the box for set 10307, but was unsure if I should weigh
only the outside box (left most box), or if I should also include the weight
of the 3 inner cardboard boxes that the pieces come packaged in. A photo is attached
to show all 4 boxes.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Alizarin
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Those look great! In general, I never include the weight of generic white boxes
when submitting box weight. However, I did include the interior printed boxes
for:
as they were integral to the design.
I am sure an admin will let you know for sure what to do. LEGO loves changing
their product designs and challenging our systems.
Jen
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Hi,
Thanks for the help Jen!
Alizarin
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