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 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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Teup (6607)

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Aah, that makes some sense, thanks for sharing. And really interesting to read
that in a way, you kind of ended up with a hybrid remarks-category system.

I can see at least one tedious loose end - if the part no longer fits in that
location and the remarks need to be changed.. That's another thing that seems
annoying to me: The lots are stored individually (not all colours and several
variations of the category in the same drawer), therefore, the bins/drawers are
tiny. So they need to be moved around if they grow and shrink, so the remarks
sometimes need to change.. That's what I like about category based sorting,
I can just throw everything in the bins and part out the set and not worry about
any administration besides the prices.

In Catalog, RecycledBrick writes:
  
  I guess the main thing I never really understood is... what do you do first?
Do you first put things in places, then go and enter them in the remark fields
(but then how do you know what items should have consolidated)

Or do you first write down which bins you're going to put everything in and
then put it there (but then how do you know which ones are free and that it will
fit)

And then some lots may already have a location but it became too small and it
needs to be changed... and the part-out screen only shows that you already have
an item in your inventory, it doesn't show directly what the remark is...

When I part out a set I go through the process. I don't enter any locations
at this time and let the existing items consolidate. The last screen before
the pieces are finally added I save as a PDF as pictured. It shows where the
locations are for the consolidated lots. I save it because I don't want
to put all the pieces away right at this moment or have to look them up later.
Everything that is a new lot which doesn't have a location goes to Stockroom
A. That way I can easily go and add locations to the new lots. I use no 3rd
party software.

I used to do random locating of pieces using just locations in the remarks.
it would take awhile to find a piece if something went wrong. I have put more
pieces into groups. At least I can find it quicker if the location is wrong
or missing. I have arranged things in BL categories but not in any order. With
the moving of items I am not going to move everything around right away and in
most cases don't need to. A lot of the Tile Modified category I have alway
kept with Plate Modified so I don't always follow the BL catalog.

I have been told privately my way of parting out is stupid. It allows me to
quickly part out a set whether 1 or a 100 very fast and then I can put those
pieces away at my leisure. I don't want to enter the new locations and put
all the pieces away during the part out process. What works for me may not work
for others
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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Teup (6607)

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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:

  I know you can't look into the future, but what about you? Do you feel these
major updates (where catagories are redefined) are going to be a regular thing,
or is this a phase that's soon over? I can't help but feel like we're
soon gonna have the catagories we want to have and these large projects aren't
necessary anymore, but maybe I'm wrong...

Now that we have all of the definitions in place for part categories (even though
some are still being tweaked), I don't foresee many of these large changes
occurring in the future. In fact, I foresee 2-3 more rounds at the most, and
then we will be at a place where they are no longer necessary, as you said. At
that time, anything needing to be changed would probably be back to a few here
and there like before. I know it will be rough for a little while longer, but
I think you can do it.

Thanks! Yeah, that's pretty much how I imagined it now. When I come back
to Bricklink selling (probably sometime next year), I'll see how the project
fares

  
P.S. I wish I lived near you. I would go and help you rearrange your store just
for fun.

Appreciate the thought Here's a picture of the mainly affected room and
a schematic of it. The lowest unit on the righthand side in the schematic contains
wedges. Those are large 2-column-wide drawers. Moving the wedges would imply
moving the units themselves, because nothing near it fits well in large drawers.
So that would mean taking breaking that entire wall of drawers apart, etc etc..
And I am a perfectionist, I want all drawers that are used most often to be
at the most comfortable row. Soooo yeah.... I will skip this update and wait
it out, then sometime in the future plan some days to deisgn a new layout
 


 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Mar 16, 2021 13:03
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Teup (6607)

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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  This is not a big deal for me personally as I am not currently selling here,
so I can plan it when I want.. but... really?!

The catalog changes are scheduled for April 1. That's only 2 weeks away.
I noticed that this is a DRAMATIC catalog update that will throw the entire store
upside down. Definitely won't be able to take my entire 1.2 million parts
store apart and piece it back together just casually within these next two weeks
between sorting orders. Especially moving all the wedges will be be fun puzzle.

Not gonna object against any changes, they seem alright to me. Except that there's
one change clearly missing from that list: Moving the 2x2 corner brick to Brick,
Modified.. (since plate and tile are there)

I hope this really was THE update everyone was waiting for, and now we're
satisfied..

The list you see is of the PROPOSED changes, not SCHEDULED changes. There are
only six items on the list so far that can officially be considered approved
by admin, and those are the six examples listed in the Catalog Newsletter which
went out yesterday.

Oh, whoa, thanks Russell, that's an important addition here. That's not
the way I read it at all, but now I see.

Does this mean the other proposed changes are going to trickle through at random
moments later on, or will they be implemented in one go with the next edition
in October?

No, it means a decision on those items has not been made yet. If something is
rejected, it doesn't mean it can't happen at another time, or that it
will happen at another time. But the bigger question is more about how much of
this moving around the community can accept in a given period of time.

Well, I don't know how it is for other users, but looking at my situation
it definitely is about how often and not how much.
  
Regular updates at specific times seems to be the path forward with these types
of changes. That way, there is a reference point people can look back on and
make adjustments.

OK, so if I understand correctly, the changes that are still in proposed status
will be listed for a future update (provided they are accepted), with a future
announcement like this one. So, this list of six is exactly what is going to
change 1 April - nothing more. In that case, makes sense.

I mean, it would be awkward to make a clear annoucement for 6 parts with a clear
date, only to suddenly implement moving all wedges to brick/plate/slope the week
after unannounced

No, there are still 2 weeks to approve the other proposals for the April 1 deadline.
All of them might be approved, but it isn't certain. The only certain thing
at this point are the six listed in the newsletter, because we didn't want
the newsletter highlighting things that weren't going to change.

Uh... wow That's a mess, Russell. If wedge(plate) moves, that can be hundreds
of thousands of parts for some sellers. That would just change overnight without
a month - and not even 2 weeks headsup? I thought we really agreed here that
we needed time. You guys better approve or deny them ASAP so that category based
stores can plan their changes.

Well, I won't argue, go ahead, do what you do. I am glad I am closed.. I
will think about reopening sometime next year maybe, once this whole phase is
over and the dust has settled!
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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randyf (442)

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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:

  The list you see is of the PROPOSED changes, not SCHEDULED changes. There are
only six items on the list so far that can officially be considered approved
by admin, and those are the six examples listed in the Catalog Newsletter which
went out yesterday.

The catalog newsletter does not read like that at all. Now you have me confused.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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In Catalog, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  
  Just curious, I wonder how this works for those that sell on multiple platforms
and don't use remarks as stock locators but rely on a catalog sequence to
find parts on orders.


Even for tiny stores, this is a clear indication as to why storage should never
be based on the (current) catalogue.

I think that leaves remarks sorting as the only alternative, and it has many
drawbacks. I would certainly never work with a remark based store. Even if it'd
be only because there are bugs with the field and populating it probably requires
Brickstock, which means no accurate priceguide which matches Bricklink. It's
really not an option for me.

In 15+ years never had a single problem with the remarks field.

Robert

There was. There was a serious bug where each time you did a part out and the
item was already in your inventory, the remarks would be voided. THEN how would
you find the part.. the thought of having my entire inventory sorted by it
scares me a bit. I've used the remarks field for locating minifig parts within
the minifig category, but that bug made it a disaster. The bug was fixed and
then just reappeared again - which is often the case when Bricklink "fixes" something.
I believe this is fixed now so sure, it's reasonable to use it. But I just
don't dare - I'm just a coward I guess.. so you see, you can never be
100% safe.

Besides, my remarks field are used for my software to execute my pricing policy
and keep stats (If those get deleted, it's not a big deal)
 Author: BricksThatStick View Messages Posted By BricksThatStick
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:

  Catalog Newsletter which went out yesterday.

Guess my copy is stuck in the postal system somewhere...

Do you have Marketing emails checked? This is a new setting as of last year sometime.
The default setting is OFF:

https://www.bricklink.com/pref_contact.asp

Bingo. Thanks.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog, Teup writes:

  I know you can't look into the future, but what about you? Do you feel these
major updates (where catagories are redefined) are going to be a regular thing,
or is this a phase that's soon over? I can't help but feel like we're
soon gonna have the catagories we want to have and these large projects aren't
necessary anymore, but maybe I'm wrong...

Now that we have all of the definitions in place for part categories (even though
some are still being tweaked), I don't foresee many of these large changes
occurring in the future. In fact, I foresee 2-3 more rounds at the most, and
then we will be at a place where they are no longer necessary, as you said. At
that time, anything needing to be changed would probably be back to a few here
and there like before. I know it will be rough for a little while longer, but
I think you can do it.

P.S. I wish I lived near you. I would go and help you rearrange your store just
for fun.
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  Do you have Marketing emails checked? This is a new setting as of last year sometime.
The default setting is OFF:

https://www.bricklink.com/pref_contact.asp

Mine was off indeed, but I have to say, this doesn't exactly strike me as
a Marketing email.

I agree, not from our end, the catalog user. But from their (TLG) end it may
fall within the framework of needed legalese. As well as being the purpose for
the fairly new feature, I assume: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1259089

Maybe they need one for "important service updates" too. Then they could also
email things like changes in policy concerning removing incomplete minifigures,
changes in tax collections, and so on. Things that get asked here again and again
that one email telling users what is going on might help clear up.

Smart! I'd like to see such an option.
 Author: jennnifer View Messages Posted By jennnifer
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In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:

  
  Well, everybody has their own habits and preferences. I just like the idea that
when armageddon comes and the internet goes offline, I can still find my Lego
parts

Yes, I like this too. Lots of internet outages around here. Never stop working!

Jen
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  Do you have Marketing emails checked? This is a new setting as of last year sometime.
The default setting is OFF:

https://www.bricklink.com/pref_contact.asp

Mine was off indeed, but I have to say, this doesn't exactly strike me as
a Marketing email.

I agree, not from our end, the catalog user. But from their (TLG) end it may
fall within the framework of needed legalese. As well as being the purpose for
the fairly new feature, I assume: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1259089

Maybe they need one for "important service updates" too. Then they could also
email things like changes in policy concerning removing incomplete minifigures,
changes in tax collections, and so on. Things that get asked here again and again
that one email telling users what is going on might help clear up.
 Author: StephenB76 View Messages Posted By StephenB76
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On a side note,

Every time I've gone into the forum today and seen posts on this thread I
can't help but see Arnie arriving on Mars in "Total Recall"

 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
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In Catalog, misbi writes:
  In Catalog, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  
  Just curious, I wonder how this works for those that sell on multiple platforms
and don't use remarks as stock locators but rely on a catalog sequence to
find parts on orders.


Even for tiny stores, this is a clear indication as to why storage should never
be based on the (current) catalogue.

I think that leaves remarks sorting as the only alternative, and it has many
drawbacks. I would certainly never work with a remark based store. Even if it'd
be only because there are bugs with the field and populating it probably requires
Brickstock, which means no accurate priceguide which matches Bricklink. It's
really not an option for me.

In 15+ years never had a single problem with the remarks field.

Robert

Not aware of any field related bugs either, whether manually entered or programmatically
via API.

I gotta say, I've always been just a little amazed by how trouble-free the
remarks feature for inventory location has been for us over the years. Don't
know why it just always seemed a tenuous method, when in fact it's been nothing
but reliable...

  Only real downside to remarks based filing is that if it's not where it's
meant to be, it's a goner until you stumble across somewhere it isn't
meant to be at some unknown point in the future 😂

Same sentiment.

But the few times it's happened over the years, have proved to be errors
on our part. Nonetheless, knowing this does nothing to mitigate the angst you
feel in trying to fulfill an order when it does happen
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In Catalog, chetzler writes:
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, chetzler writes:
  […]
Maybe I'm wrong, but I always assumed buyers search for
parts by description or found them by knowing what set they're in.

Er, I’d say you’re wrong: I (and surely others) also look for parts amongst similar
parts, so by category.
That works for stores too, especially when looking to pad up your cart (eh, what
have they got in Tile, Decorated that could be useful?)

Great, good to know! So you indeed do find categories useful.

Well, yes, useful categories are useful.
Or, the other way around, and through an example, having the ball+socket parts
distributed between Hero trucmuche, Bionickel, and one or three other categories
isn’t useful
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In Catalog, misbi writes:
  In Catalog, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  
  Just curious, I wonder how this works for those that sell on multiple platforms
and don't use remarks as stock locators but rely on a catalog sequence to
find parts on orders.


Even for tiny stores, this is a clear indication as to why storage should never
be based on the (current) catalogue.

I think that leaves remarks sorting as the only alternative, and it has many
drawbacks. I would certainly never work with a remark based store. Even if it'd
be only because there are bugs with the field and populating it probably requires
Brickstock, which means no accurate priceguide which matches Bricklink. It's
really not an option for me.

In 15+ years never had a single problem with the remarks field.

Robert

Not aware of any field related bugs either, whether manually entered or programmatically
via API.
Only real downside to remarks based filing is that if it's not where it's
meant to be, it's a goner until you stumble across somewhere it isn't
meant to be at some unknown point in the future 😂

Yeah, we've had one or two mega searches for typo'd remarks!! Currently
we try to use a range of locations when adding new items on any given date then
if something is not where it says it should be we can refer to the locations
used on the date listed.. Nothing is human error exempt but over the years you
learn from experience I guess.

Robert
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In Catalog, zorbanj writes:
  I don't use the Remarks field, and you're taking things to an illogical
conlusion. Why would something happen to the Remarks field?

I don't know if something would happen to the "remarks" field. I am saying
that some (most?) shops are relying on the "remarks" field to locate their inventory.
Others rely on the BL catalog. Both are fully under BL's control. One of
the advantages of a catalog-based storage is that there is logic in where parts
are. Tell me what item you need, and I can walk into our shop at any time to
grab it for you in under 10 seconds (those are real seconds, not made up ones).

  The Bricklink server
could get struck by lightning and all the backups could simulateneously be corrupted
too.

... and if that happens (heavens forbid), stores who completely rely on remarks
are up the creek without a paddle. While that of course is a very hypothetical
scenario, I'd be interested to figure out how many shops would survive such
an event (does anyone actually make regular backups with "remark" fields _and_
see if they can recover in case of a calamity? - yes, we do). For us, we can
easily move to a different platform.

  The OP started this thread because the catalog update that will "throw the entire
store upside down". Sounds like trouble to me.

I think he was slightly exaggerating here. Other catalog-based shops chimed in
here as well, and these changes are fairly easily done.

Niek.
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In Catalog, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  
  Just curious, I wonder how this works for those that sell on multiple platforms
and don't use remarks as stock locators but rely on a catalog sequence to
find parts on orders.


Even for tiny stores, this is a clear indication as to why storage should never
be based on the (current) catalogue.

I think that leaves remarks sorting as the only alternative, and it has many
drawbacks. I would certainly never work with a remark based store. Even if it'd
be only because there are bugs with the field and populating it probably requires
Brickstock, which means no accurate priceguide which matches Bricklink. It's
really not an option for me.

In 15+ years never had a single problem with the remarks field.

Robert

Not aware of any field related bugs either, whether manually entered or programmatically
via API.
Only real downside to remarks based filing is that if it's not where it's
meant to be, it's a goner until you stumble across somewhere it isn't
meant to be at some unknown point in the future 😂
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In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  Do you have Marketing emails checked? This is a new setting as of last year sometime.
The default setting is OFF:

https://www.bricklink.com/pref_contact.asp

Mine was off indeed, but I have to say, this doesn't exactly strike me as
a Marketing email.

I agree, not from our end, the catalog user. But from their (TLG) end it may
fall within the framework of needed legalese. As well as being the purpose for
the fairly new feature, I assume: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1259089
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In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  Do you have Marketing emails checked? This is a new setting as of last year sometime.
The default setting is OFF:

https://www.bricklink.com/pref_contact.asp

Mine was off indeed, but I have to say, this doesn't exactly strike me as
a Marketing email.

Exactly.  “Marketing emails” sounds more like “annoying ads” (as one could expect
for the ADP) than info about catalogue changes.
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, chetzler writes:
  […]
Maybe I'm wrong, but I always assumed buyers search for
parts by description or found them by knowing what set they're in.

Er, I’d say you’re wrong: I (and surely others) also look for parts amongst similar
parts, so by category.
That works for stores too, especially when looking to pad up your cart (eh, what
have they got in Tile, Decorated that could be useful?)

Great, good to know! So you indeed do find categories useful.
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I don't use the Remarks field, and you're taking things to an illogical
conlusion. Why would something happen to the Remarks field? The Bricklink server
could get struck by lightning and all the backups could simulateneously be corrupted
too.

The OP started this thread because the catalog update that will "throw the entire
store
upside down". Sounds like trouble to me.


In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
  In Catalog, zorbanj writes:
  Going to have to echo what Nita Rae said. Relying on Bricklink's catalog
system, where you ultimately have no control over, is trouble.

This is a nonsensical argument. The very same can be said about the "remarks"
field. That field is completely under BL's control as well. If for whatever
reason that field goes belly-up, you are in deep doodoo, whereas catalog-based-sorted
stores can still easily find any part. Just because some stores have decided
to do things differently doesn't make them "nuts" (as a previous poster said),
and neither does will it be "trouble".

FWIW, our store has items stored according to the catalog. Sure, there will be
changes, but they are easily mirrored in our store (it is just moving some drawers
around, no big deal).

Niek.
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In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  But people seem to be so wedded to the BL Catalog, they can't find the cognative
skills to think outside the box. Just do it.

"Nuts" ... "can't find the cognitive skills" - if you can't find the
decency to discuss things without denigrating others, then don't post.

Niek.
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In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  Physical inventory is just that … physical inventory. You devise your own
organizational scheme, and how you label the various drawers/bags/containers,
and put your private storage reference into the Remarks field. When an order
arrives, there are your location references beneath each item ordered. You are
using the remarks field to carry your own private inventory scheme. It's
really simple.

But people seem to be so wedded to the BL Catalog, they can't find the cognative
skills to think outside the box. Just do it.

Nita Rae

Thinking that the way you've always done things is the best way is literally
the opposite of "outside the box" thinking.
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In Catalog, chetzler writes:
  […]
Maybe I'm wrong, but I always assumed buyers search for
parts by description or found them by knowing what set they're in.

Er, I’d say you’re wrong: I (and surely others) also look for parts amongst similar
parts, so by category.
That works for stores too, especially when looking to pad up your cart (eh, what
have they got in Tile, Decorated that could be useful?)
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  Do you have Marketing emails checked? This is a new setting as of last year sometime.
The default setting is OFF:

https://www.bricklink.com/pref_contact.asp

Mine was off indeed, but I have to say, this doesn't exactly strike me as
a Marketing email.
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  […]
Regular updates at specific times seems to be the path forward with these types
of changes. That way, there is a reference point people can look back on and
make adjustments.

It could also help Studio follow the catalogue changes in a more timely fashion….

All proposed changes have been shared with the Studio team for input and they
plan to make the necessary adjustments before the next update.

That’s great, but what I meant is that the more or less “stealthy” changes are
often missed, e.g.:
https://forum.bricklink.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3&p=15724#p15723 (recently fixed)
or
https://forum.bricklink.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6222
so a tighter collaboration is welcome.
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I think the catalog admins have been incredibly clear about this entire process.

I have a category based store. I list a lot of used parts so I feel this is the
most efficient way. Yes, changes are disruptive, but I certainly don't have
to close down. Now that the changes are published and scheduled, it's very
manageable.

It takes me a day or two to move the individual parts and print some new bin
labels. It takes a couple weeks for me to remember something got moved as I
am going along pulling orders. The change log is always available on every single
item detail page if I forget.

I think it is pretty great that they have set up a system that accommodates stores
as much as possible while giving the entire community a chance for real input.

Jen
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In Catalog, amyfol writes:
  Didn't get anything either..

I would also prefer to set a different emailadress for this kind of important
mailings from support + newsletter + NSS notifications. We get so much messages
from the BL system it's very hard to really notice the important mails.

I solve that by having filters in my mail to throw messages to X folders, Invoices
for example.

Also I have deactivated the Drive-Thru copy for myself, I don't need it...
https://www.bricklink.com/orderSettings.asp?viewFrom=P
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In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  
Let's get something right here, making your physical store inventory storage
… mirror the logical catalog arrangement … is completely nuts. I realized that
20 years ago, realized that I needed a local reference for where I was storing
things, exchanged a few messages with Dan, and he implemented the Remarks field.
My physical storage has no relationship to the logical organization of the Catalog
… none.

Nita Rae

Maybe it's the current state of the world, but I honestly cannot tell if
this is sarcasm, satire, or sincerity. TWICE in a single paragraph you refer
to the catalog as logical and you also claim that trying to make use of that
logic is completely nuts

Why even have catalog categories if not for organization? Do buyers even care
about category? Maybe I'm wrong, but I always assumed buyers search for
parts by description or found them by knowing what set they're in. If this
is adequate to allow buyers to find parts and remarks are sufficient to allow
sellers to locate parts why even have categories? Honest question to the group:
what is the purpose of categories in BrickLink's current state?
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
  In Catalog, zorbanj writes:
  Going to have to echo what Nita Rae said. Relying on Bricklink's catalog
system, where you ultimately have no control over, is trouble.

This is a nonsensical argument. The very same can be said about the "remarks"
field. That field is completely under BL's control as well. If for whatever
reason that field goes belly-up, you are in deep doodoo, whereas catalog-based-sorted
stores can still easily find any part. Just because some stores have decided
to do things differently doesn't make them "nuts" (as a previous poster said),
and neither does will it be "trouble".

FWIW, our store has items stored according to the catalog. Sure, there will be
changes, but they are easily mirrored in our store (it is just moving some drawers
around, no big deal).

Niek.

+1 That's exactly how I think.

Plus, I am yet to figure out how even to use the remark field when parting out.
The usual answer is "BrickStock", but without it, just parting out on Bricklink?
No idea.

It's relying on a global marketplace's catalog versus relying on a tool
a guy once made.
Right now, you could make a point that remark sorters were betting on the right
horse, but that's purely by chance. It just so happens to be case that there's
a brand new BrickStore coming up on the one hand, and the catalog is giving some
troubles on the other hand. It could just as well have been the other way around.

Well, everybody has their own habits and preferences. I just like the idea that
when armageddon comes and the internet goes offline, I can still find my Lego
parts

Your physical inventory is just that … physical inventory. You devise your own
organizational scheme, and how you label the various drawers/bags/containers,
and put your private storage reference into the Remarks field. When an order
arrives, there are your location references beneath each item ordered. You are
using the remarks field to carry your own private inventory scheme. It's
really simple.

But people seem to be so wedded to the BL Catalog, they can't find the cognative
skills to think outside the box. Just do it.

Nita Rae
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, psusaxman2000 writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  This is not a big deal for me personally as I am not currently selling here,
so I can plan it when I want.. but... really?!

The catalog changes are scheduled for April 1. That's only 2 weeks away.
I noticed that this is a DRAMATIC catalog update that will throw the entire store
upside down. Definitely won't be able to take my entire 1.2 million parts
store apart and piece it back together just casually within these next two weeks
between sorting orders. Especially moving all the wedges will be be fun puzzle.

Not gonna object against any changes, they seem alright to me. Except that there's
one change clearly missing from that list: Moving the 2x2 corner brick to Brick,
Modified.. (since plate and tile are there)

I hope this really was THE update everyone was waiting for, and now we're
satisfied..

The list you see is of the PROPOSED changes, not SCHEDULED changes. There are
only six items on the list so far that can officially be considered approved
by admin, and those are the six examples listed in the Catalog Newsletter which
went out yesterday.

Oh, whoa, thanks Russell, that's an important addition here. That's not
the way I read it at all, but now I see.

Does this mean the other proposed changes are going to trickle through at random
moments later on, or will they be implemented in one go with the next edition
in October?

No, it means a decision on those items has not been made yet. If something is
rejected, it doesn't mean it can't happen at another time, or that it
will happen at another time. But the bigger question is more about how much of
this moving around the community can accept in a given period of time.

Regular updates at specific times seems to be the path forward with these types
of changes. That way, there is a reference point people can look back on and
make adjustments.

Incremental updates are definitely a better way to go that a dump and run. With
a system like this that is "owned" by the parent company but was not previously
managed as such, there will always be fluidity in the system. Managing these
expectations and keeping everyone (mostly) happy is a balance that you deserve
immense credit for.

Interesting. I'd prefer the other way - just make all the changes they feel
are necessary now in one go, then have stability for existing parts for a couple
of years.

There is a balance though that is needed when you are performing maintenance
of this type though:

A- All updates at a single time (relative).
- requires a lot of prep, management, organization, community input and alignment
- takes a long amount of time and typically would continue to incur questioning
from the community of lake of response, delays and where, when, how long

B- Incremental updates by section, category or other option
- Still allows community input but applies focus
- Shows work and effort which usually gets positive response from community
that their voice is being heard and shows progress
- Allows for more focused efforts to get it right the first time and breads
standards for implementation in the future

While an all for one option is valid, in this communities case, I feel that the
sheer amount of change and the community influences don't allow for it.
Just my opinion.
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
  In Catalog, zorbanj writes:
  Going to have to echo what Nita Rae said. Relying on Bricklink's catalog
system, where you ultimately have no control over, is trouble.

This is a nonsensical argument. The very same can be said about the "remarks"
field. That field is completely under BL's control as well. If for whatever
reason that field goes belly-up, you are in deep doodoo, whereas catalog-based-sorted
stores can still easily find any part. Just because some stores have decided
to do things differently doesn't make them "nuts" (as a previous poster said),
and neither does will it be "trouble".

FWIW, our store has items stored according to the catalog. Sure, there will be
changes, but they are easily mirrored in our store (it is just moving some drawers
around, no big deal).

Niek.

+1 That's exactly how I think.

Plus, I am yet to figure out how even to use the remark field when parting out.
The usual answer is "BrickStock", but without it, just parting out on Bricklink?
No idea.

You partout on bricklink and consolidate lots selecting "old Remarks", then verify
saving the parts with remarks where they go and submit. After that go to your
inventory and sort by remarks, then you see all the empty remarks items first
that you can populate as you want, copy the category tree of the part or putting
your location.

  
It's relying on a global marketplace's catalog versus relying on a tool
a guy once made.
Right now, you could make a point that remark sorters were betting on the right
horse, but that's purely by chance. It just so happens to be case that there's
a brand new BrickStore coming up on the one hand, and the catalog is giving some
troubles on the other hand. It could just as well have been the other way around.

Well, everybody has their own habits and preferences. I just like the idea that
when armageddon comes and the internet goes offline, I can still find my Lego
parts
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In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:

  Catalog Newsletter which went out yesterday.

Guess my copy is stuck in the postal system somewhere...

Do you have Marketing emails checked? This is a new setting as of last year sometime.
The default setting is OFF:

https://www.bricklink.com/pref_contact.asp
 
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, bje writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:

  
The list you see is of the PROPOSED changes, not SCHEDULED changes. There are
only six items on the list so far that can officially be considered approved
by admin, and those are the six examples listed in the Catalog Newsletter which
went out yesterday.

Catalogue Newsletter? Can you please send me the copy because I've never
received such a thing (back issues would be nice as well ta).

Yesterday was the first issue. To get future issues, please select "Yes" to marketing
emails on this page:

https://www.bricklink.com/pref_contact.asp

and be sure to whitelist @bricklink.com in your email settings.

I have attached a screenshot of the March newsletter. We are also planning to
start an archive where old issues can be looked up.

An archive would be good, so we don't have to accept all marketing emails
but still get to know about important changes.
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  This is not a big deal for me personally as I am not currently selling here,
so I can plan it when I want.. but... really?!

The catalog changes are scheduled for April 1. That's only 2 weeks away.
I noticed that this is a DRAMATIC catalog update that will throw the entire store
upside down. Definitely won't be able to take my entire 1.2 million parts
store apart and piece it back together just casually within these next two weeks
between sorting orders. Especially moving all the wedges will be be fun puzzle.

Not gonna object against any changes, they seem alright to me. Except that there's
one change clearly missing from that list: Moving the 2x2 corner brick to Brick,
Modified.. (since plate and tile are there)

I hope this really was THE update everyone was waiting for, and now we're
satisfied..

The list you see is of the PROPOSED changes, not SCHEDULED changes. There are
only six items on the list so far that can officially be considered approved
by admin, and those are the six examples listed in the Catalog Newsletter which
went out yesterday.

Oh, whoa, thanks Russell, that's an important addition here. That's not
the way I read it at all, but now I see.

Does this mean the other proposed changes are going to trickle through at random
moments later on, or will they be implemented in one go with the next edition
in October?

No, it means a decision on those items has not been made yet. If something is
rejected, it doesn't mean it can't happen at another time, or that it
will happen at another time. But the bigger question is more about how much of
this moving around the community can accept in a given period of time.

Well, I don't know how it is for other users, but looking at my situation
it definitely is about how often and not how much.
  
Regular updates at specific times seems to be the path forward with these types
of changes. That way, there is a reference point people can look back on and
make adjustments.

OK, so if I understand correctly, the changes that are still in proposed status
will be listed for a future update (provided they are accepted), with a future
announcement like this one. So, this list of six is exactly what is going to
change 1 April - nothing more. In that case, makes sense.

I mean, it would be awkward to make a clear annoucement for 6 parts with a clear
date, only to suddenly implement moving all wedges to brick/plate/slope the week
after unannounced

No, there are still 2 weeks to approve the other proposals for the April 1 deadline.
All of them might be approved, but it isn't certain. The only certain thing
at this point are the six listed in the newsletter, because we didn't want
the newsletter highlighting things that weren't going to change.
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  Plus, I am yet to figure out how even to use the remark field when parting out.
The usual answer is "BrickStock", but without it, just parting out on Bricklink?
No idea.

I find it quite easy. When I part out a set, I just add locations in the remarks
box for each item on the part out page. If I get the red warning about having
the part already, I can either create a new lot or open that page in a new tab
and update the qty.
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Didn't get anything either..

I would also prefer to set a different emailadress for this kind of important
mailings from support + newsletter + NSS notifications. We get so much messages
from the BL system it's very hard to really notice the important mails.
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  […]
Regular updates at specific times seems to be the path forward with these types
of changes. That way, there is a reference point people can look back on and
make adjustments.

It could also help Studio follow the catalogue changes in a more timely fashion….

All proposed changes have been shared with the Studio team for input and they
plan to make the necessary adjustments before the next update.
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In Catalog, bje writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:

  
The list you see is of the PROPOSED changes, not SCHEDULED changes. There are
only six items on the list so far that can officially be considered approved
by admin, and those are the six examples listed in the Catalog Newsletter which
went out yesterday.

Catalogue Newsletter? Can you please send me the copy because I've never
received such a thing (back issues would be nice as well ta).

Yesterday was the first issue. To get future issues, please select "Yes" to marketing
emails on this page:

https://www.bricklink.com/pref_contact.asp

and be sure to whitelist @bricklink.com in your email settings.

I have attached a screenshot of the March newsletter. We are also planning to
start an archive where old issues can be looked up.
 
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Teup (6607)

Location:  Netherlands, Utrecht
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In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
  In Catalog, zorbanj writes:
  Going to have to echo what Nita Rae said. Relying on Bricklink's catalog
system, where you ultimately have no control over, is trouble.

This is a nonsensical argument. The very same can be said about the "remarks"
field. That field is completely under BL's control as well. If for whatever
reason that field goes belly-up, you are in deep doodoo, whereas catalog-based-sorted
stores can still easily find any part. Just because some stores have decided
to do things differently doesn't make them "nuts" (as a previous poster said),
and neither does will it be "trouble".

FWIW, our store has items stored according to the catalog. Sure, there will be
changes, but they are easily mirrored in our store (it is just moving some drawers
around, no big deal).

Niek.

+1 That's exactly how I think.

Plus, I am yet to figure out how even to use the remark field when parting out.
The usual answer is "BrickStock", but without it, just parting out on Bricklink?
No idea.

It's relying on a global marketplace's catalog versus relying on a tool
a guy once made.
Right now, you could make a point that remark sorters were betting on the right
horse, but that's purely by chance. It just so happens to be case that there's
a brand new BrickStore coming up on the one hand, and the catalog is giving some
troubles on the other hand. It could just as well have been the other way around.

Well, everybody has their own habits and preferences. I just like the idea that
when armageddon comes and the internet goes offline, I can still find my Lego
parts
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In Catalog, zorbanj writes:
  Going to have to echo what Nita Rae said. Relying on Bricklink's catalog
system, where you ultimately have no control over, is trouble.

This is a nonsensical argument. The very same can be said about the "remarks"
field. That field is completely under BL's control as well. If for whatever
reason that field goes belly-up, you are in deep doodoo, whereas catalog-based-sorted
stores can still easily find any part. Just because some stores have decided
to do things differently doesn't make them "nuts" (as a previous poster said),
and neither does will it be "trouble".

FWIW, our store has items stored according to the catalog. Sure, there will be
changes, but they are easily mirrored in our store (it is just moving some drawers
around, no big deal).

Niek.
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  This is not a big deal for me personally as I am not currently selling here,
so I can plan it when I want.. but... really?!

The catalog changes are scheduled for April 1. That's only 2 weeks away.
I noticed that this is a DRAMATIC catalog update that will throw the entire store
upside down. Definitely won't be able to take my entire 1.2 million parts
store apart and piece it back together just casually within these next two weeks
between sorting orders. Especially moving all the wedges will be be fun puzzle.

Not gonna object against any changes, they seem alright to me. Except that there's
one change clearly missing from that list: Moving the 2x2 corner brick to Brick,
Modified.. (since plate and tile are there)

I hope this really was THE update everyone was waiting for, and now we're
satisfied..

The list you see is of the PROPOSED changes, not SCHEDULED changes. There are
only six items on the list so far that can officially be considered approved
by admin, and those are the six examples listed in the Catalog Newsletter which
went out yesterday.

Oh, whoa, thanks Russell, that's an important addition here. That's not
the way I read it at all, but now I see.

Does this mean the other proposed changes are going to trickle through at random
moments later on, or will they be implemented in one go with the next edition
in October?

No, it means a decision on those items has not been made yet. If something is
rejected, it doesn't mean it can't happen at another time, or that it
will happen at another time. But the bigger question is more about how much of
this moving around the community can accept in a given period of time.

Well, I don't know how it is for other users, but looking at my situation
it definitely is about how often and not how much.
  
Regular updates at specific times seems to be the path forward with these types
of changes. That way, there is a reference point people can look back on and
make adjustments.

OK, so if I understand correctly, the changes that are still in proposed status
will be listed for a future update (provided they are accepted), with a future
announcement like this one. So, this list of six is exactly what is going to
change 1 April - nothing more. In that case, makes sense.

I mean, it would be awkward to make a clear annoucement for 6 parts with a clear
date, only to suddenly implement moving all wedges to brick/plate/slope the week
after unannounced
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In Catalog, bje writes:
  In Catalog, psusaxman2000 writes:
  This was an email that came from blservice@ bricklink . com

Double check your spam folder as it looked to be a mass blast.

Not a chance - there is no blocking on my mail servier for blservice or bricklink
- in fact all mails are coming through as normal although late, not even the
***SPAM*** thing in front of orders and additions. Maybe only went to the USA?

I'm in the USA and I didn't get it - not in Spam either
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Going to have to echo what Nita Rae said. Relying on Bricklink's catalog
system, where you ultimately have no control over, is trouble.


In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  
Let's get something right here, making your physical store inventory storage
… mirror the logical catalog arrangement … is completely nuts. I realized that
20 years ago, realized that I needed a local reference for where I was storing
things, exchanged a few messages with Dan, and he implemented the Remarks field.
My physical storage has no relationship to the logical organization of the Catalog
… none.

Nita Rae

"Nuts" is strong language It is entirely up for debate whether remark based
sorting or category based sorting is better. I strongly believe category based
sorting is superiour and it has a long list of benefits.

But to keep it simple: I would not even know how to do part-outs. I would need
to enter all sorts of bin numbers and it would take forever. Also I cannot see
on that page what the remarks of my existing lots are. Those only appear on the
verification page.. this is a whole lot of hassle that I'm glad to avoid.
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  […]
Regular updates at specific times seems to be the path forward with these types
of changes. That way, there is a reference point people can look back on and
make adjustments.

It could also help Studio follow the catalogue changes in a more timely fashion….
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

  I don't want to be insensitive to your needs, but have you considered what
others are suggesting: don't base your storage system entirely off the BrickLink
catalog? It genuinely isn't the best approach.

I'm curious what way you think is the best approach and how you arrived at
that conclusion. What is the largest inventory that you have ever personally
managed? I have read how others manage their inventory and I still find category-based
to be the most efficient--it is certainly the most intuitive to me.

My point, of course, is that you might want to be careful about telling sellers
what is or isn't genuinely best for them, as if there were a single, indisputable
best way. That will make some folks bristle. If some sellers want to sort by
category why should they face an impediment? Why take time refining category
designations at all if you don't think we should utilize them? It seems
that the driving force behind these changes is to make the catalog easier to
navigate for buyers (and I can get on board with that), but then you tell sellers
not to rely on the catalog to organize their stores? That leaves me scratching
my head.

It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to want these category changes to be implemented
and finalized in one go rather than trickling out over the next few years. You
mention there are some problems with this, I'm not sure what those could
be, but maybe it's worth the time to revisit them and see if, perhaps, they
could be overcome?
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In Catalog, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  Just curious, I wonder how this works for those that sell on multiple platforms
and don't use remarks as stock locators but rely on a catalog sequence to
find parts on orders.

We use our own software to pick-and-pack - it sorts the other platform's
items according to the BL catalog. Easy-peasy.

Niek.
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In Catalog, bje writes:
  In Catalog, psusaxman2000 writes:
  In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:

  Catalog Newsletter which went out yesterday.

Guess my copy is stuck in the postal system somewhere...

Same! I thought it was just me only I don't see any news letter either?

This was an email that came from blservice@ bricklink . com

Double check your spam folder as it looked to be a mass blast.

Not a chance - there is no blocking on my mail servier for blservice or bricklink
- in fact all mails are coming through as normal although late, not even the
***SPAM*** thing in front of orders and additions. Maybe only went to the USA?

Yes I think BL may need to check whats happening as my inbox is super organised
and any filters very specific to only true spam.

I use gmail which is very easy to search and I've searched for newsletter
and via bricklink email address but nothing anywhere?
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In Catalog, psusaxman2000 writes:
  In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:

  Catalog Newsletter which went out yesterday.

Guess my copy is stuck in the postal system somewhere...

Same! I thought it was just me only I don't see any news letter either?

This was an email that came from blservice@ bricklink . com

Double check your spam folder as it looked to be a mass blast.

Not a chance - there is no blocking on my mail servier for blservice or bricklink
- in fact all mails are coming through as normal although late, not even the
***SPAM*** thing in front of orders and additions. Maybe only went to the USA?
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In Catalog, psusaxman2000 writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  This is not a big deal for me personally as I am not currently selling here,
so I can plan it when I want.. but... really?!

The catalog changes are scheduled for April 1. That's only 2 weeks away.
I noticed that this is a DRAMATIC catalog update that will throw the entire store
upside down. Definitely won't be able to take my entire 1.2 million parts
store apart and piece it back together just casually within these next two weeks
between sorting orders. Especially moving all the wedges will be be fun puzzle.

Not gonna object against any changes, they seem alright to me. Except that there's
one change clearly missing from that list: Moving the 2x2 corner brick to Brick,
Modified.. (since plate and tile are there)

I hope this really was THE update everyone was waiting for, and now we're
satisfied..

The list you see is of the PROPOSED changes, not SCHEDULED changes. There are
only six items on the list so far that can officially be considered approved
by admin, and those are the six examples listed in the Catalog Newsletter which
went out yesterday.

Oh, whoa, thanks Russell, that's an important addition here. That's not
the way I read it at all, but now I see.

Does this mean the other proposed changes are going to trickle through at random
moments later on, or will they be implemented in one go with the next edition
in October?

No, it means a decision on those items has not been made yet. If something is
rejected, it doesn't mean it can't happen at another time, or that it
will happen at another time. But the bigger question is more about how much of
this moving around the community can accept in a given period of time.

Regular updates at specific times seems to be the path forward with these types
of changes. That way, there is a reference point people can look back on and
make adjustments.

Incremental updates are definitely a better way to go that a dump and run. With
a system like this that is "owned" by the parent company but was not previously
managed as such, there will always be fluidity in the system. Managing these
expectations and keeping everyone (mostly) happy is a balance that you deserve
immense credit for.

Interesting. I'd prefer the other way - just make all the changes they feel
are necessary now in one go, then have stability for existing parts for a couple
of years.
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  This is not a big deal for me personally as I am not currently selling here,
so I can plan it when I want.. but... really?!

The catalog changes are scheduled for April 1. That's only 2 weeks away.
I noticed that this is a DRAMATIC catalog update that will throw the entire store
upside down. Definitely won't be able to take my entire 1.2 million parts
store apart and piece it back together just casually within these next two weeks
between sorting orders. Especially moving all the wedges will be be fun puzzle.

Not gonna object against any changes, they seem alright to me. Except that there's
one change clearly missing from that list: Moving the 2x2 corner brick to Brick,
Modified.. (since plate and tile are there)

I hope this really was THE update everyone was waiting for, and now we're
satisfied..

The list you see is of the PROPOSED changes, not SCHEDULED changes. There are
only six items on the list so far that can officially be considered approved
by admin, and those are the six examples listed in the Catalog Newsletter which
went out yesterday.

Oh, whoa, thanks Russell, that's an important addition here. That's not
the way I read it at all, but now I see.

Does this mean the other proposed changes are going to trickle through at random
moments later on, or will they be implemented in one go with the next edition
in October?

No, it means a decision on those items has not been made yet. If something is
rejected, it doesn't mean it can't happen at another time, or that it
will happen at another time. But the bigger question is more about how much of
this moving around the community can accept in a given period of time.

Regular updates at specific times seems to be the path forward with these types
of changes. That way, there is a reference point people can look back on and
make adjustments.

Incremental updates are definitely a better way to go that a dump and run. With
a system like this that is "owned" by the parent company but was not previously
managed as such, there will always be fluidity in the system. Managing these
expectations and keeping everyone (mostly) happy is a balance that you deserve
immense credit for.

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