Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | samsam2  | | Posted: | Feb 8, 2021 01:49 | | Subject: | set 1944-1 | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| I'm wondering if these are the same set? The way they are listed seems strange
If one is a set containing a sub-set, shouldn't there
be just one set of instructions and one box?
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| Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 7, 2021 22:17 | | Subject: | Re: Are there differences in instructions CMF? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, tonnic writes:
| | I had a question from a buyer regarding instructions of CMF’s.
He bought some from a different seller but due to our nice communication (I guess)
he asked me why the numbering of his series 13 didn’t make sense, he also missed
some and had some double.
If I am correct these leaflets are always the same unless you mark the empty
circle by yourself.
But maybe I need to be educated myself in this case...
The packages are marked with a barcode in the earlier series, later with dots/dents/pimples.
So if I am wrong I would like to know and I can give the information to my buyer
too, I will point this forumpost to him to.
Thanks already!
Ton
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There were a couple of the collectors series that had a small printed number
on the instructions that was different for each set.
BrickLink did not differentiate between them.
Here's an example online:
https://jaysbrickblog.com/reviews/review-lego-minifigures-series-14-monsters/
See the 16 in the white circle on the upper corner on the back of the instructions.
Jen
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 7, 2021 17:34 | | Subject: | Re: Friends accessories pin vs bar classification | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | I'll await to hear back from Catalog
admin to see how they want to handle it.
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In the absence of written guidelines for item titles, any attempts to standardize
titles is potentially a waste of time.
We are currently struggling in our attempts to adopt written guidelines for the
most important aspects of the catalog and item titles are one of those things
(including how part features such as clips, pins, holes, bars, joints, hinges,
etc. are described and unifying the terminology used). Also sorely needed are
clear, consistent, and easily-comprehensible written guidelines for:
Part assemblies, including figures
Item dimensions
Item numbers
Search terms/keywords
Part variants
Colors and how they're used and inventoried
Our seeming inability to progress in these areas is a result of several different
causes, but we are still trying. The progress is exceptionally slow and we are
no happier about that than everyone else.
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This is really a hard task and it is understandable that it takes time, there
are many many variables in the huge list of Lego parts.
Thanks for your work!
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| Author: | tonnic | | Posted: | Feb 7, 2021 17:12 | | Subject: | Are there differences in instructions CMF? | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| I had a question from a buyer regarding instructions of CMF’s.
He bought some from a different seller but due to our nice communication (I guess)
he asked me why the numbering of his series 13 didn’t make sense, he also missed
some and had some double.
If I am correct these leaflets are always the same unless you mark the empty
circle by yourself.
But maybe I need to be educated myself in this case...
The packages are marked with a barcode in the earlier series, later with dots/dents/pimples.
So if I am wrong I would like to know and I can give the information to my buyer
too, I will point this forumpost to him to.
Thanks already!
Ton
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Feb 7, 2021 12:23 | | Subject: | Re: Friends accessories pin vs bar classification | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | I'll await to hear back from Catalog
admin to see how they want to handle it.
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In the absence of written guidelines for item titles, any attempts to standardize
titles is potentially a waste of time.
We are currently struggling in our attempts to adopt written guidelines for the
most important aspects of the catalog and item titles are one of those things
(including how part features such as clips, pins, holes, bars, joints, hinges,
etc. are described and unifying the terminology used). Also sorely needed are
clear, consistent, and easily-comprehensible written guidelines for:
Part assemblies, including figures
Item dimensions
Item numbers
Search terms/keywords
Part variants
Colors and how they're used and inventoried
Our seeming inability to progress in these areas is a result of several different
causes, but we are still trying. The progress is exceptionally slow and we are
no happier about that than everyone else.
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| Author: | Fenneke_Jose | | Posted: | Feb 7, 2021 09:18 | | Subject: | Re: VIP Coins Castle + Pirates | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, popsicle writes:
| | In Catalog, Fenneke_Jose writes:
| | Hi,
I am looking for the VIP Coins. I have the Pirates Coin and now looking for the
Castle Coin, but I cannot find them in the cataloque.
So am I doing something wrong? Or are they still not availleble in the Bricklink
catalogue?
Kind regards,
José
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I see your Pirate Coin listed, but the only Castle coins I see are pressed...
My daughter collected pressed coins from our Legoland CA trips. Managed to fill
an album before we stop going 
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I mean this one (see image).
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| Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Feb 7, 2021 06:56 | | Subject: | Re: Friends accessories pin vs bar classification | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | This pertains the difference between Friends accessories flowers and other accessories.
There appear to be 2 classifications in regards to connections. 1) thin pin and
2) bar thickness pin.
[...]
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I would better suggest Mini Bar as that it is more similar to a Bar but smaller
than a Lego Pin and mostly it works with minifigs. Or Thin Bar... But Mini/Thin
Pin is ok too as it is what most people are used to.
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Studio's PartDesigner calls them 'Accessory Pin', see image.
| | And the style 2 ones, if they are the same size as Bars, then they have to be
named Bar and Bar with Hole etc.
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Style 2 ones are the same size as bars. They fit any of flower stems, accessory
pins, axle holes, pin holes and clips. 'Accessory Antipins' could also
be an appropriate name in line of the antistuds at the bottom of plates.
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 7, 2021 06:02 | | Subject: | Re: Friends accessories pin vs bar classification | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | This pertains the difference between Friends accessories flowers and other accessories.
There appear to be 2 classifications in regards to connections. 1) thin pin and
2) bar thickness pin.
The catalogue descriptions don't differentiate them but it affects how they
can be connected. It would be great if the descriptions reflected the difference
as the thin pin accessories can mainly be connected to hair pieces with holes
and and the like, and the bar thickness accessories can be connected to broader
parts with bar holes, including grasping by hands.
Style 1 (thin pin) are these
* | | 18853 Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Flower with Pointed Petals and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
* | | 93080h Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Flower with Serrated Petals and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
* | | 93080g Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Flower with Smooth Petals and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
* | | 93080m Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Tiara with 5 Points and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
I think these also
* | | 11618 Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Bow with Heart, Long Ribbon, and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
Style 2 (bar thickness with pin hole on the bottom)
Miro
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I would better suggest Mini Bar as that it is more similar to a Bar but smaller
than a Lego Pin and mostly it works with minifigs. Or Thin Bar... But Mini/Thin
Pin is ok too as it is what most people are used to.
And the style 2 ones, if they are the same size as Bars, then they have to be
named Bar and Bar with Hole etc.
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| Author: | Hexy | | Posted: | Feb 7, 2021 04:21 | | Subject: | Re: Iron Man Minifigs sh231 and sh036 exact same? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Bricklink is all about having all the variations, and if a minifigure comes with
a common piece attached as part of the minifig, then we catalog it as a seperate
entry.
In Catalog, native1 writes:
| | Thanks. It is so odd that by adding an additional common piece it makes it a
difference figure in the catalog. I guess it is the same as the figures that
are the same with/ without neck braces.
In Catalog, The_RealRedHex writes:
| | Hello,
Sh036 has blue jets coming out of the feet which differentiate it from sh231
Regards,
Theo - The_RealRedHex
In Catalog, native1 writes:
| | Is there a reason sh231 and sh036 are listed as different minifigures in the
catalog? They are part for part the exact same minifigure. I'm attempting
to collect all the iron man armors and just realized this.
Thanks!
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| Author: | native1 | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2021 21:27 | | Subject: | Re: Iron Man Minifigs sh231 and sh036 exact same? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Thanks. It is so odd that by adding an additional common piece it makes it a
difference figure in the catalog. I guess it is the same as the figures that
are the same with/ without neck braces.
In Catalog, The_RealRedHex writes:
| | Hello,
Sh036 has blue jets coming out of the feet which differentiate it from sh231
Regards,
Theo - The_RealRedHex
In Catalog, native1 writes:
| | Is there a reason sh231 and sh036 are listed as different minifigures in the
catalog? They are part for part the exact same minifigure. I'm attempting
to collect all the iron man armors and just realized this.
Thanks!
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| Author: | Hexy | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2021 21:12 | | Subject: | Re: Iron Man Minifigs sh231 and sh036 exact same? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Hello,
Sh036 has blue jets coming out of the feet which differentiate it from sh231
Regards,
Theo - The_RealRedHex
In Catalog, native1 writes:
| | Is there a reason sh231 and sh036 are listed as different minifigures in the
catalog? They are part for part the exact same minifigure. I'm attempting
to collect all the iron man armors and just realized this.
Thanks!
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| Author: | native1 | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2021 21:03 | | Subject: | Iron Man Minifigs sh231 and sh036 exact same? | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Is there a reason sh231 and sh036 are listed as different minifigures in the
catalog? They are part for part the exact same minifigure. I'm attempting
to collect all the iron man armors and just realized this.
Thanks!
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2021 18:13 | | Subject: | Re: Friends accessories pin vs bar classification | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SteveTheBrick writes:
| | Here's the the 5 in the 'I think these also' list. All have thin
pins:
Steve
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Excellent. Thanks Steve and Peregrinator. I'll await to hear back from Catalog
admin to see how they want to handle it.
Miro
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| Author: | SteveTheBrick | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2021 17:01 | | Subject: | Re: Friends accessories pin vs bar classification | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Here's the the 5 in the 'I think these also' list. All have thin
pins:
Steve
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| Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2021 15:00 | | Subject: | Re: VIP Coins Castle + Pirates | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Fenneke_Jose writes:
| | Hi,
I am looking for the VIP Coins. I have the Pirates Coin and now looking for the
Castle Coin, but I cannot find them in the cataloque.
So am I doing something wrong? Or are they still not availleble in the Bricklink
catalogue?
Kind regards,
José
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I see your Pirate Coin listed, but the only Castle coins I see are pressed...
My daughter collected pressed coins from our Legoland CA trips. Managed to fill
an album before we stop going
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| Author: | Fenneke_Jose | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2021 14:35 | | Subject: | VIP Coins Castle + Pirates | | Viewed: | 121 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Hi,
I am looking for the VIP Coins. I have the Pirates Coin and now looking for the
Castle Coin, but I cannot find them in the cataloque.
So am I doing something wrong? Or are they still not availleble in the Bricklink
catalogue?
Kind regards,
José
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| Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2021 13:33 | | Subject: | Re: Friends accessories pin vs bar classification | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | Update: Some of the Style 2 items don't have pin holes on the bottom (fish,
seahorse), and I am uncertain on the style 1 under the "I think these also" section
above, which would need to be verified.
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The bows are definitely under Style 1, not sure about the ribbons. Here is the
back of
* | | 11618 Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Bow with Heart, Long Ribbon, and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
(sorry the image is so blurry, had a hard time focusing)
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2021 10:50 | | Subject: | Re: Friends accessories pin vs bar classification | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | This pertains the difference between Friends accessories flowers and other accessories.
There appear to be 2 classifications in regards to connections. 1) thin pin and
2) bar thickness pin.
The catalogue descriptions don't differentiate them but it affects how they
can be connected. It would be great if the descriptions reflected the difference
as the thin pin accessories can mainly be connected to hair pieces with holes
and and the like, and the bar thickness accessories can be connected to broader
parts with bar holes, including grasping by hands.
Style 1 (thin pin) are these
* | | 18853 Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Flower with Pointed Petals and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
* | | 93080h Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Flower with Serrated Petals and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
* | | 93080g Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Flower with Smooth Petals and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
* | | 93080m Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Tiara with 5 Points and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
I think these also
* | | 11618 Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Bow with Heart, Long Ribbon, and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
Style 2 (bar thickness with pin hole on the bottom)
Miro
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Update: Some of the Style 2 items don't have pin holes on the bottom (fish,
seahorse), and I am uncertain on the style 1 under the "I think these also" section
above, which would need to be verified.
Miro
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2021 10:47 | | Subject: | Friends accessories pin vs bar classification | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| This pertains the difference between Friends accessories flowers and other accessories.
There appear to be 2 classifications in regards to connections. 1) thin pin and
2) bar thickness pin.
The catalogue descriptions don't differentiate them but it affects how they
can be connected. It would be great if the descriptions reflected the difference
as the thin pin accessories can mainly be connected to hair pieces with holes
and and the like, and the bar thickness accessories can be connected to broader
parts with bar holes, including grasping by hands.
Style 1 (thin pin) are these
* | | 18853 Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Flower with Pointed Petals and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
* | | 93080h Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Flower with Serrated Petals and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
* | | 93080g Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Flower with Smooth Petals and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
* | | 93080m Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Tiara with 5 Points and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
I think these also
* | | 11618 Friends Accessories Hair Decoration, Bow with Heart, Long Ribbon, and Small Pin
Parts: Friends |
Style 2 (bar thickness with pin hole on the bottom)
Miro
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2021 00:17 | | Subject: | Re: Additional Listing for 32553cXX | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Anyone can list any part in any color and it will show up in the drop-down list.
That doesn't mean that the color actually exists. 
Cheers,
Randy
In Catalog, co2Bricks writes:
| | Thank you, it must be the case, but they are different and I noticed there was
a drop down on the menu for the color list for part 32554 that shows Trans-Light
Orange... oh well, I guess I'll list them as a separate lot and note the
difference.
Carlyle
In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | Trans-Neon Yellow can look like a light shade of Trans-Orange, so that is probably
what you have.
In Catalog, co2Bricks writes:
| | Hello,
I have 3 part assemblies of 32553 in Light Gray with a 32554 in Trans-Light Orange
Many other variations exist as shown below:
Bionicle Head Connector Block 3 x 4 x 1 2/3 with Trans-Neon Orange Bionicle Head
Connector Block Eye/Brain Stalk (32553 / 32554)
Item No: 32553c04
Is it possible to get this added? Or is there a better solution for listing?
Thanks,
Carlyle
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| Author: | co2Bricks | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 20:19 | | Subject: | Re: Additional Listing for 32553cXX | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Thank you, it must be the case, but they are different and I noticed there was
a drop down on the menu for the color list for part 32554 that shows Trans-Light
Orange... oh well, I guess I'll list them as a separate lot and note the
difference.
Carlyle
In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | Trans-Neon Yellow can look like a light shade of Trans-Orange, so that is probably
what you have.
In Catalog, co2Bricks writes:
| | Hello,
I have 3 part assemblies of 32553 in Light Gray with a 32554 in Trans-Light Orange
Many other variations exist as shown below:
Bionicle Head Connector Block 3 x 4 x 1 2/3 with Trans-Neon Orange Bionicle Head
Connector Block Eye/Brain Stalk (32553 / 32554)
Item No: 32553c04
Is it possible to get this added? Or is there a better solution for listing?
Thanks,
Carlyle
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| Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 15:34 | | Subject: | Re: Additional Listing for 32553cXX | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | Trans-Neon Yellow can look like a light shade of Trans-Orange, so that is probably
what you have.
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I used to call that Trans-Peach.
Nita Rae
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 15:23 | | Subject: | Re: Additional Listing for 32553cXX | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Trans-Neon Yellow can look like a light shade of Trans-Orange, so that is probably
what you have.
In Catalog, co2Bricks writes:
| | Hello,
I have 3 part assemblies of 32553 in Light Gray with a 32554 in Trans-Light Orange
Many other variations exist as shown below:
Bionicle Head Connector Block 3 x 4 x 1 2/3 with Trans-Neon Orange Bionicle Head
Connector Block Eye/Brain Stalk (32553 / 32554)
Item No: 32553c04
Is it possible to get this added? Or is there a better solution for listing?
Thanks,
Carlyle
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| Author: | co2Bricks | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 14:43 | | Subject: | Additional Listing for 32553cXX | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Hello,
I have 3 part assemblies of 32553 in Light Gray with a 32554 in Trans-Light Orange
Many other variations exist as shown below:
Bionicle Head Connector Block 3 x 4 x 1 2/3 with Trans-Neon Orange Bionicle Head
Connector Block Eye/Brain Stalk (32553 / 32554)
Item No: 32553c04
Is it possible to get this added? Or is there a better solution for listing?
Thanks,
Carlyle
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 12:15 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
And this outlines the second problem: Colour convention. This has to be made
consistent as well. I think I'd prefer the second one, as I'd say hair
colour is intuitively the more logical variable part than the headgear. Headgears
like cook's or police hats typically don't vary much in colour, so
the variation in the hair is more likely.
As for catagorisation, I'd prefer them in Minifig,Hair as it is less than
half the size of Headgear, but it's just my vote.
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I think this is why the newly formed hair category struggles to determine what
actually belongs under hair and what belongs under headgear because by directing
parts into either category based on how much hair is showing compared to how
big the head wear itself is only leaves a lot of ambiguity and uncertainty as
to where it belongs?
I think the best solution is as I’ve tried to explain further up the thread here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1249746
In short if the headgear includes more than just HAIR alone and ends up turning
a minifigure into a specific themed character, trade, profession or some kind
of unique non-human species I feel it should go under headgear rather than hair
Here is a good example. Someone is looking for some simple hair to use on a minifigure
but they haven’t yet decided on what design they want but they stumble upon this:-
It contains plenty of hair but do they don’t intend their minifigure to become
a construction worker?
Nor a King?
Nor an Elf?
Not even a Bat Monster? I mean why would they?
Nor a hat wearing character like Radagast?
and yes whilst this contains hair and seems quite generic they were looking in
the hair category and so did they actually ask for the hat to go with it?
For this reason all those examples I think would be better suited under headgear
Whereas whilst the below parts are designed specifically for characters such
as Saruman and Hagrid they are still just standalone hair and relevant to people
searching for hair within the hair category or at least that’s the way I see
it?
Am I honestly completely alone on this one?
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Sure, I totally get that. I just think it is easy to remember regardless of where
it is put, and then since Hair is the smaller category it would keep things slightly
more browseable. But it's just my vote, of the majority wants to put it in
Headgear then let it be Headgear.
(And maybe there's a better solution to manage the size of the Headgear category...
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Well if it was down to me I'd break headgear down into the following:-
Hair - Just Hair!
Headwear - Hats, Helmets, Ninja head wraps etc...
Headgear - All those unique combo parts be that Hat/Hair, Orc Ears/Hair, Bombur
Belly/Hair
but others don't like the idea of this for the reasons mentioned here...
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1249730
Whilst it would be nice to keep all those together I feel its a small sacrifice
to pay if it means the rest of the catalog can be better organised in the process
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 10:30 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
And this outlines the second problem: Colour convention. This has to be made
consistent as well. I think I'd prefer the second one, as I'd say hair
colour is intuitively the more logical variable part than the headgear. Headgears
like cook's or police hats typically don't vary much in colour, so
the variation in the hair is more likely.
As for catagorisation, I'd prefer them in Minifig,Hair as it is less than
half the size of Headgear, but it's just my vote.
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Me too. I'd prefer anything with hair goes into the hair category.
I would not want pieces like this where there is moulding to indicate an accessory/non-hair
to be moved out of hair:
* | | 29639pb01 Minifigure, Hair Female Long with Parted Bangs, Partly Braided in Back with Yellow Elf Ears and Silver Flower Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Hair |
* | | 28798pb01 Minifigure, Hair Female Pigtails High Bouncy, Hole on Top with Black Hair on Left Side and Black Tie on Right Side Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Hair |
And in some cases, the accessory is the same colour as the hair:
Especially if parts like this, where there is just print and no moulding, remained
in hair:
* | | 85974pb04 Minifigure, Hair Female Mid-Length with Part over Right Shoulder and Medium Lavender Starfish and Lime Seaweed Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Hair |
There are quite a few hairstyles where there is a plain coloured hairpiece, but
also with a version with coloured accessory such as:
They are surely still hair even though there is a non-hair accessory. It cannot
be down to how big the accessory is before something goes in hair or headgear,
as there will be contradictions.
And there are parts like this, that are not all hair but body part and not accessory:
Colour is problematic. Ideally it would be the colour of the hair as the part
colour, but there are pieces like the bald guy head above where the part is light
nougat and the hair painted on.
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Yet with exception of the Orc, elf and liberty parts most of those you have mentioned
I would category as hair anyway? I don’t consider small generic details like
hair bands, flower prints as a reason for them not to be included in the hair
category as like I said only those that drastically change the character of a
minifigure into something very specific such as an elf, a king, a construction
worker or a hat wearing Radagast who I might add is more beard, facial hair and
hat than hair?
The character Harley Quinn again still comes with what is mainly hair likewise
the Alfred bald head is still adding hair to a minifigure so I still class these
as hair
You say there will be contradictions and yes there will always be a very few
parts that are hard to find the correct location for but without some kind of
guidelines to follow there will continue to be far more contradictions than what
we are already experiencing now because if we go by your stand point where any
visible hair should go under hair:-
* | | 17012pb01 Minifigure, Headgear Helmet Space Wraparound with Medium Nougat Hair on Top, Breathing Vents and Red Eye Holes Pattern (Star-Lord)
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear |
Is hair where I should expect to find items like this too?
I think there is also a clue in the category titles which should also help clear
up any confusion as I would have thought that....
hair category = differnt designs of hair? I would not expect to find hair with
hats on top of them or non-human species ears sticking out of them?
headgear category = quite a general term and so could consist of any number of
different combinations and so I would'nt find it all that contradicting to
find a mish mash of different parts under this category as headgear simply refers
to parts that are designed for attaching to heads?
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 09:15 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
And this outlines the second problem: Colour convention. This has to be made
consistent as well. I think I'd prefer the second one, as I'd say hair
colour is intuitively the more logical variable part than the headgear. Headgears
like cook's or police hats typically don't vary much in colour, so
the variation in the hair is more likely.
As for catagorisation, I'd prefer them in Minifig,Hair as it is less than
half the size of Headgear, but it's just my vote.
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Me too. I'd prefer anything with hair goes into the hair category.
I would not want pieces like this where there is moulding to indicate an accessory/non-hair
to be moved out of hair:
* | | 29639pb01 Minifigure, Hair Female Long with Parted Bangs, Partly Braided in Back with Yellow Elf Ears and Silver Flower Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Hair |
* | | 28798pb01 Minifigure, Hair Female Pigtails High Bouncy, Hole on Top with Black Hair on Left Side and Black Tie on Right Side Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Hair |
And in some cases, the accessory is the same colour as the hair:
Especially if parts like this, where there is just print and no moulding, remained
in hair:
* | | 85974pb04 Minifigure, Hair Female Mid-Length with Part over Right Shoulder and Medium Lavender Starfish and Lime Seaweed Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Hair |
There are quite a few hairstyles where there is a plain coloured hairpiece, but
also with a version with coloured accessory such as:
They are surely still hair even though there is a non-hair accessory. It cannot
be down to how big the accessory is before something goes in hair or headgear,
as there will be contradictions.
And there are parts like this, that are not all hair but body part and not accessory:
Colour is problematic. Ideally it would be the colour of the hair as the part
colour, but there are pieces like the bald guy head above where the part is light
nougat and the hair painted on.
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| Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 09:00 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
And this outlines the second problem: Colour convention. This has to be made
consistent as well. I think I'd prefer the second one, as I'd say hair
colour is intuitively the more logical variable part than the headgear. Headgears
like cook's or police hats typically don't vary much in colour, so
the variation in the hair is more likely.
As for catagorisation, I'd prefer them in Minifig,Hair as it is less than
half the size of Headgear, but it's just my vote.
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I think this is why the newly formed hair category struggles to determine what
actually belongs under hair and what belongs under headgear because by directing
parts into either category based on how much hair is showing compared to how
big the head wear itself is only leaves a lot of ambiguity and uncertainty as
to where it belongs?
I think the best solution is as I’ve tried to explain further up the thread here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1249746
In short if the headgear includes more than just HAIR alone and ends up turning
a minifigure into a specific themed character, trade, profession or some kind
of unique non-human species I feel it should go under headgear rather than hair
Here is a good example. Someone is looking for some simple hair to use on a minifigure
but they haven’t yet decided on what design they want but they stumble upon this:-
It contains plenty of hair but do they don’t intend their minifigure to become
a construction worker?
Nor a King?
Nor an Elf?
Not even a Bat Monster? I mean why would they?
Nor a hat wearing character like Radagast?
and yes whilst this contains hair and seems quite generic they were looking in
the hair category and so did they actually ask for the hat to go with it?
For this reason all those examples I think would be better suited under headgear
Whereas whilst the below parts are designed specifically for characters such
as Saruman and Hagrid they are still just standalone hair and relevant to people
searching for hair within the hair category or at least that’s the way I see
it?
Am I honestly completely alone on this one?
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Sure, I totally get that. I just think it is easy to remember regardless of where
it is put, and then since Hair is the smaller category it would keep things slightly
more browseable. But it's just my vote, of the majority wants to put it in
Headgear then let it be Headgear.
(And maybe there's a better solution to manage the size of the Headgear category...
although introducing "Headgear,Decorated" wouldn't help much as almost all
of them are decorated these days...)
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 08:12 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
And this outlines the second problem: Colour convention. This has to be made
consistent as well. I think I'd prefer the second one, as I'd say hair
colour is intuitively the more logical variable part than the headgear. Headgears
like cook's or police hats typically don't vary much in colour, so
the variation in the hair is more likely.
As for catagorisation, I'd prefer them in Minifig,Hair as it is less than
half the size of Headgear, but it's just my vote.
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I think this is why the newly formed hair category struggles to determine what
actually belongs under hair and what belongs under headgear because by directing
parts into either category based on how much hair is showing compared to how
big the head wear itself is only leaves a lot of ambiguity and uncertainty as
to where it belongs?
I think the best solution is as I’ve tried to explain further up the thread here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1249746
In short if the headgear includes more than just HAIR alone and ends up turning
a minifigure into a specific themed character, trade, profession or some kind
of unique non-human species I feel it should go under headgear rather than hair
Here is a good example. Someone is looking for some simple hair to use on a minifigure
but they haven’t yet decided on what design they want but they stumble upon this:-
It contains plenty of hair but do they don’t intend their minifigure to become
a construction worker?
Nor a King?
Nor an Elf?
Not even a Bat Monster? I mean why would they?
Nor a hat wearing character like Radagast?
and yes whilst this contains hair and seems quite generic they were looking in
the hair category and so did they actually ask for the hat to go with it?
For this reason all those examples I think would be better suited under headgear
Whereas whilst the below parts are designed specifically for characters such
as Saruman and Hagrid they are still just standalone hair and relevant to people
searching for hair within the hair category or at least that’s the way I see
it?
Am I honestly completely alone on this one?
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| Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 06:34 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
And this outlines the second problem: Colour convention. This has to be made
consistent as well. I think I'd prefer the second one, as I'd say hair
colour is intuitively the more logical variable part than the headgear. Headgears
like cook's or police hats typically don't vary much in colour, so
the variation in the hair is more likely.
As for catagorisation, I'd prefer them in Minifig,Hair as it is less than
half the size of Headgear, but it's just my vote.
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 06:22 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WhiteVanMan writes:
| | In Catalog, WhiteVanMan writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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I'm listing some Friends Minidoll head accessories (bows, sunglasses and
the like).
I need to go the Friends section to find them...
Shouldn't there be a separate category for these, like the Minifig Head Gear
Accessories?
Paul
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I'm guessing that no-one likes the idea as laid out above?
Try looking for the sunglasses WITHOUT going direct to the Friends section, especially
if you don't know that they are from the Friends line....
Paul
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Check the first comment in this thread:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1249483
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| Author: | WhiteVanMan | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 06:03 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WhiteVanMan writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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I'm listing some Friends Minidoll head accessories (bows, sunglasses and
the like).
I need to go the Friends section to find them...
Shouldn't there be a separate category for these, like the Minifig Head Gear
Accessories?
Paul
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I'm guessing that no-one likes the idea as laid out above?
Try looking for the sunglasses WITHOUT going direct to the Friends section, especially
if you don't know that they are from the Friends line....
Paul
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 05:58 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Split "Minifigure, Body Wear" into three distinct new categories: (1) "Minifigure,
Neckwear", (2) "Minifigure, Hipwear", and (3) "Minifigure, Footgear" to account
for the different sections of a standard figure that come between and outside
of the standard parts of a standard figure (head-to-torso, torso-to-legs, below
legs) that are currently not isolated as headgear is.
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Sounds good and I guess if bodywear is to be replaced with the term neckwear
this does at least reflect on how the part is used which in turn represents all
the parts in the category better as I’ve always struggled with beards being filed
as bodywear?
That said going back to our previous discussion in the other thread I do still
think that just in the same way that hair and wearable items (hats/helmets) are
distinctly different from each other and benefit from separation in the headgear
categories beards/moustaches are also distinctly different to wearable items
and would therefore also benefit from separation in the neckwear category. Anyone
looking for beards should ideally not be stumbling across lots of wearable armour
and clothing and vice versa but hey just my opinion but at least we still share
some similar views for other aspects of the catalog!
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 04:33 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Separate parts from Brick, Wedge into Slope, Wedge:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?catType=P&catString=42
With this only a few items would be in the Brick, Wedge cat:
This one to Slope:
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 04:23 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Split "Minifigure, Body Wear" into three distinct new categories: (1) "Minifigure,
Neckwear", (2) "Minifigure, Hipwear", and (3) "Minifigure, Footgear" to account
for the different sections of a standard figure that come between and outside
of the standard parts of a standard figure (head-to-torso, torso-to-legs, below
legs) that are currently not isolated as headgear is.
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Nice, this will clear some items from minifig utensil too.
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| Author: | Ravendragonwing | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 18:18 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Not a move, but add dimensions to instruction category, would help with shipping
quotes.
Jennifer
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 18:10 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Split "Minifigure, Body Wear" into three distinct new categories: (1) "Minifigure,
Neckwear", (2) "Minifigure, Hipwear", and (3) "Minifigure, Footgear" to account
for the different sections of a standard figure that come between and outside
of the standard parts of a standard figure (head-to-torso, torso-to-legs, below
legs) that are currently not isolated as headgear is.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 18:09 | | Subject: | Re: Separate Leg Hip wear from Torso Bodywear? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | Can I make a suggestion that we create a new category for parts that are specifically
designed to go over the leg pins/hips and call it ‘Hip Wear’ or ‘Leg Wear’? as
there are plenty of them and probably many more that I have missed?
In my opinion ‘Body Wear’ should be left exclusively for all those parts that
are designed to go over the Torso/Neck piece only?
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I have also asked for this in discussions with the other admins. I believe it
will happen.
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Okay cool what about also splitting beards/moustaches from the rest of the bodywear
in the same way hair was removed from headgear as it always feels a bit weird
when your looking for wearable items like armour and capes only to find beards
popping up amongst them?
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I am not sure about that one.
My line of thinking that I proposed to the other admins was that the "Minifigure,
Body Wear" needs to be split into three distinct new categories: (1) "Minifigure,
Neckwear", (2) "Minifigure, Hipwear", and (3) "Minifigure, Footgear" to account
for the different sections of a standard figure that come between and outside
of the standard parts of a standard figure (head-to-torso, torso-to-legs, below
legs) that are currently not isolated as headgear is.
I will add this to the main "Category Changes, Part Two" discussion so that it
will most likely get enacted on April 1.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 17:51 | | Subject: | Re: Separate Leg Hip wear from Torso Bodywear? | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | […]
| | Okay cool what about also splitting beards/moustaches from the rest of the bodywear
in the same way hair was removed from headgear as it always feels a bit weird
when your looking for wearable items like armour and capes only to find beards
popping up amongst them?
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Are you sure you're not just splitting hairs?
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(I often wish English had different words for head hair and body hair….)
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 17:34 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Currently in ‘Body Wear’ but should be in ‘Minifigure Utensil’ with other similar
items such as Surfboards/Skateboards/Ski’s
Also not sure this one belongs under ‘Body Wear’ either?
Or this under ‘Body Part’ instead of handheld weapons/accessories but I’ll leave
others to decide?
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Just to also add....
Move to Minifig Utencil:-
[p= 2599c01]
Move to ‘Animal Body Part‘ or ‘Minifigure Body Part’?
Not sure where these belong but shouldn’t we keep Bodywear for only those parts
that slide over the neck of a torso?
[p=bb0785pb01]
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 17:25 | | Subject: | Re: 87747/93788 color question | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, taxan writes:
| | It should be a separate entry for 93788. Its made of Flexible Rubber and not
ABS-Plastic.
I have try to ad the rubber version of it but that request got shout down.
The 93788 i have are white and the mold number is "B01".
Please Admin do it the same way you did it with:
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Neither of the parts above are made with ABS. 59232 is made with something like
polyethylene, but 93787 is made with a rubber.
All 93788 are made from something like polyethylene, so there is nothing to split.
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| Author: | Tracyd | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 17:02 | | Subject: | Re: Separate Leg Hip wear from Torso Bodywear? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | Can I make a suggestion that we create a new category for parts that are specifically
designed to go over the leg pins/hips and call it ‘Hip Wear’ or ‘Leg Wear’? as
there are plenty of them and probably many more that I have missed?
In my opinion ‘Body Wear’ should be left exclusively for all those parts that
are designed to go over the Torso/Neck piece only?
|
I have also asked for this in discussions with the other admins. I believe it
will happen.
|
Okay cool what about also splitting beards/moustaches from the rest of the bodywear
in the same way hair was removed from headgear as it always feels a bit weird
when your looking for wearable items like armour and capes only to find beards
popping up amongst them?
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Are you sure you're not just splitting hairs?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 16:51 | | Subject: | Re: Separate Leg Hip wear from Torso Bodywear? | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | Can I make a suggestion that we create a new category for parts that are specifically
designed to go over the leg pins/hips and call it ‘Hip Wear’ or ‘Leg Wear’? as
there are plenty of them and probably many more that I have missed?
In my opinion ‘Body Wear’ should be left exclusively for all those parts that
are designed to go over the Torso/Neck piece only?
|
I have also asked for this in discussions with the other admins. I believe it
will happen.
|
Okay cool what about also splitting beards/moustaches from the rest of the bodywear
in the same way hair was removed from headgear as it always feels a bit weird
when your looking for wearable items like armour and capes only to find beards
popping up amongst them?
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 16:22 | | Subject: | Re: Separate Leg Hip wear from Torso Bodywear? | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | Can I make a suggestion that we create a new category for parts that are specifically
designed to go over the leg pins/hips and call it ‘Hip Wear’ or ‘Leg Wear’? as
there are plenty of them and probably many more that I have missed?
In my opinion ‘Body Wear’ should be left exclusively for all those parts that
are designed to go over the Torso/Neck piece only?
* | | 24087pb03 Minifigure Skirt Plastic, Ruffled (Ballerina Tutu) with White and Dark Pink Panels, Silver Stars, and Bright Light Orange Border Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear |
[p=bb0869pb01]
[p=bb0886]
[p=bb0796pb01]
[p=28211pb01]
[p=bb0870]
[p=bb0869]
[p=bb0836pb01]
[p=18832c02]
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+1
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| Author: | G3NU5 | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 16:03 | | Subject: | Re: 87747/93788 color question | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| That would be great. Thanks for the help!
In Catalog, taxan writes:
| | In Catalog, pikachu3 writes:
It should be a separate entry for 93788. Its made of Flexible Rubber and not
ABS-Plastic.
I have try to ad the rubber version of it but that request got shout down.
The 93788 i have are white and the mold number is "B01".
Please Admin do it the same way you did it with:
Have a nice day.
taxan
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| Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 15:37 | | Subject: | Re: Separate Leg Hip wear from Torso Bodywear? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | Can I make a suggestion that we create a new category for parts that are specifically
designed to go over the leg pins/hips and call it ‘Hip Wear’ or ‘Leg Wear’? as
there are plenty of them and probably many more that I have missed?
In my opinion ‘Body Wear’ should be left exclusively for all those parts that
are designed to go over the Torso/Neck piece only?
|
I have also asked for this in discussions with the other admins. I believe it
will happen.
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Yes, this would be great!
Jen
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 15:33 | | Subject: | Re: Separate Leg Hip wear from Torso Bodywear? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | Can I make a suggestion that we create a new category for parts that are specifically
designed to go over the leg pins/hips and call it ‘Hip Wear’ or ‘Leg Wear’? as
there are plenty of them and probably many more that I have missed?
In my opinion ‘Body Wear’ should be left exclusively for all those parts that
are designed to go over the Torso/Neck piece only?
|
I have also asked for this in discussions with the other admins. I believe it
will happen.
|
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| Author: | taxan | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 13:23 | | Subject: | Re: 87747/93788 color question | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, pikachu3 writes:
It should be a separate entry for 93788. Its made of Flexible Rubber and not
ABS-Plastic.
I have try to ad the rubber version of it but that request got shout down.
The 93788 i have are white and the mold number is "B01".
Please Admin do it the same way you did it with:
Have a nice day.
taxan
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