Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | yorbrick  | | Posted: | May 13, 2020 12:18 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | Propeller - For items with two or more blades that spin round at speed
to provide movement or control for ships, boats and aircraft. Note 8
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What about submarines, spacecraft or land based vehicles such as high speed cars.
I don't think the definitions should be so focussed.
Then there are these types ...
Introduced as windmill / turbines.
If shorten the definition to say two of more blades that spin around. Even then
what about the individual blades that are listed there?
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 13, 2020 09:59 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, bje writes:
I'm working on this now, but I have to say that this whole enterprise of
defining categories makes me think very much of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFrdqQZ8FFc
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| Author: | bje | | Posted: | May 13, 2020 07:54 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| A word on plates:
Some plates are not complete in the number of studs as to the size of the plate.
See for example or what are currently some parts classed as tiles.
The TLG definition of a part being 1/3 high should be carried over and plates
should be standard if it has studs completely over it length and width. But
the modified plate section presents a problem if plates are only to be 1/3 high
inclusive of the modification.
Definitions – Section P Parts
Panel - For items that have at least one flat surface to function as a divider
or wall, with or without studs on top.
Paper - For items made of paper or card. Note 1
Plant - For shrubs, stems, leaves, flowers, vines, roots, and related
items and accessories, excluding trees.
Plant, Tree - For plants with wooden trunks, including stumps. Note
2
Plastic - For items made of thin, flexible plastic sheets. Note 3
Plate - For items which are one third the height of a brick with straight
sides, square corners and studs covering the entire top. Note 4
Plate, Modified - For plates that do not have studs entirely over the
top and/or include some attachment or shape modification which can make it higher.
Note 5
Plate, Round - For plates that have one or more rounded corners and with
or without attachments and/or modifications. Note 6
Pneumatic - For items that produce or use pressurized air to perform mechanical
functions and their accessories. Note 7
Projectile Launcher - For any item that serves the primary function of
launching a projectile, their accessories and projectiles made to fit.
Propeller - For items with two or more blades that spin round at speed
to provide movement or control for ships, boats and aircraft. Note 8
Definitions – Section R Parts
Riding Cycle - For bicycles, motorcycles, scooters, tricycles and ATV's
and their accessories.
Ring - For circular items with or without attachments.
Road Sign - For items which are the unadorned backing of decorations such
as signs, notices, signboards or warnings. Note 9.
Rock - For items resembling single rocks or clusters of rocks, including
decorative items carved from rock, jewels, and rock-like ice formations.
Roof - For items primarily designed to protectively cover a structure
and their accessories. Note 10
Rubber Band & Belt - For elastic items and their accessories that are
typically used to perform a mechanical function in a model. Note 11
Notes:
1. Used the same wording as for felt, foam etc.
2. Trunk being the modifier here. Some leaves and top parts to move to the plant
category, unless tree leaves and stems are to be included in the tree definition?
3. Used the same wording as for felt, foam, paper etc.
4. See opening remarks, also to exclude modifications
5. See opening remarks, also to include modifications;
6. Round plates have round corners and modifications added unless new category
for modified round plates are made
7. Pneumatic uses pressurized air for mechanical function
8. Cowlings, housings etc should rather be under the aircraft or boat section,
see engine parts already there.
9. The undecorated parts respectfully does not actually function as the warning
or notice by itself. The decoration is required for the current definition,
which is then only applicable to decorated parts. What is in the category are
the plain backings used for the signage
10. These are only structural roofs
11. Elastic used as these bands and belts return to their original shape and
are not designed to be permanently stretched.
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| Author: | bje | | Posted: | May 12, 2020 12:48 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts S sect | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| As requested the S and T sections to follow.
Quick discussion for slopes:
A slope can be viewed as a special modified brick (item with 4 straight sides
and studs on top) with at least one side of it being an angle. This precludes
some parts from being slopes altogether as anything without a stud on top will
then be a curve to allow for continuous or joined lines. So in this view a slope
is a brick with at least one side set at an angle and a curve would be anything
that is not a slope brick; or
A slope is a type of part all by itself, in which case the only differential
must be angles vs curves. In this view a slope is an item with angled sides,
with or without top studs. A sloped curve will then be an item with curved sides,
with or without top studs and with or without modification.
Curves as a stand alone category was not considered. An angle should refer to
a straight line not on the horizontal or vertical plane, and a curve to a line
which bends continuously with no straight parts. Given this I went with slopes
and curves being items by themselves, rather than to contort brick definitions
to fit a description or to create new categories.
Definitions – Section S parts
Scala, Figure Accessory - For items of clothing and other accessories
intended to be worn or used by Scala figures. Note 1
Slide - For items with a smooth, sloping side which allows quick travel
from higher to lower elevations. Note 2
Slope - For items with one or more sides angled from bottom to top, with
or without studs on top. Note 3
Slope, Curved - For items with one or more curved sides, with or without
studs on top. Note 4
Slope, Inverted - For items with one or more sides angled from top to
bottom and which may include an attachment or modification. Note 5
Soft Bricks - For sets and other items featuring large bricks and accessories
created from soft plastic and released from the late 1990s to the mid 2010s.
Note 6
Special Assembly – For items from specific sets which is an identifiably
complete usable part of the set including complete vehicles and complete larger
scale figures and – animals, but excluding buildings and recognized part assemblies.
Note 7
Spring - For items which are coiled, can be compressed and will return
to their usual shape once released. Note 8
Stairs - For items that a complete set of steps that leading from one
level to another, or for the individual steps in a stairs. Note 9
Sticker Over Assembly - For stickers that require more than one part to complete
the adhesive surface. Note 10
Sticker Sheet – All of the stickers included in a set as attached to the
complete adhesive backing paper/s for that set. Note 11
String - For items which are thin lengths of cord. Note 12
String Reel / Winch - For spools or spool and crank assemblies using string
for hoisting and items which use string to function such as fire hoses, tow hooks,
and similar items. Note 13
Support - For items which function to hold or carry the weight of other
items or structures to stop those from falling. Note 14
Notes:
1. Used the same wording as for Belville, Figure Accessory
2. By definition, the support accessories are excluded and should rather be supports,
similar to stair supports. It is not just figures which use slides; slides are
often used in materials handling as well.
3. See opening notes. Hinges should move to the hinge category same as hinge
bricks etc.
4. See opening notes
5. The inverse is created by the angle, not the position of the studs or attachment.
Also include the modifier so as to avoid a category for modified slopes.
6. Soft materials can refer to felt, cloth or foam as well.
7. Vehicles for this includes planes, trains, boats and motor vehicles. Presumably
the definition of figure is sufficient to exclude complete minifigures from being
special assemblies. Part assemblies excluded so as to exclude wheel and tire
assemblies.
8. So as to exclude items such as rubber tires which also satisfies the definition
of compressed energy
9. The US definition is used throughout.
10. Note, the definitions are not alphabetical, followed the catalogue page rather.
This from the definition of a sticker which require a surface for adhesion.
11. The sticker sheet is the collective of all of the stickers as included in
sets on the original backing paper, so as to exclude single stickers from any
one set being in the definition.
12. With respect, the current definition is the definition of a cord, not a string
13. Removed the circular definitions of winches
14. Removed the circular reference to support.
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| Author: | randyipp | | Posted: | May 10, 2020 11:54 | | Subject: | Re: Minifig torsos no clutch | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Zab3uk75 writes:
| | Hi
Just wondering whether this is a different catalog number for torsos with no
clutch or would I need to mention this in my listing?
Thanks
Stay safe everyone
June
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If you are referring to the ribs inside the torso there are no separate part
numbers for that.
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| Author: | Zab3uk75 | | Posted: | May 10, 2020 11:22 | | Subject: | Minifig torsos no clutch | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Hi
Just wondering whether this is a different catalog number for torsos with no
clutch or would I need to mention this in my listing?
Thanks
Stay safe everyone
June
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 9, 2020 19:42 | | Subject: | Re: Pieces and technique used | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, biomajor09 writes:
| | Hi!
I am just starting to get into MOCs. Can anyone tell me what pieces they use
to hold up the flags?
Thanks so much!
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It looks like short bars like
placed into something like
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | biomajor09 | | Posted: | May 9, 2020 12:39 | | Subject: | Pieces and technique used | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Hi!
I am just starting to get into MOCs. Can anyone tell me what pieces they use
to hold up the flags?
Thanks so much!
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 7, 2020 04:09 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between 62575cx1 and 23714?
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In response to your concerns, the following two changes were just made:
1. The item number of 62575cx1 was changed to 62575pb01.
2. A relationship match was added for parts 62575pb01 and 23714.
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Be careful when removing Peeron IDs...
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=265395&nID=1187214
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 7, 2020 03:50 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
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I would be willing to bet that somewhere on those two parts there is a tiny difference.
I can't think of any instance at the moment where a new item number was
assigned by TLG without there being some kind of difference. Here it may just
be the marbling, though. […]
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Two injection points instead of one?
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 7, 2020 00:30 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | Well I'm going to eat my words here, but I have a defense, I think I was
thinking of the spiders, I'm so sorry for my confidence when I was clearly
wrong.
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Ah, it's okay. We all make mistakes. 
| | I pulled out both ants, I have them in hand and they are indeed identical mold.
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I would be willing to bet that somewhere on those two parts there is a tiny difference.
I can't think of any instance at the moment where a new item number was
assigned by TLG without there being some kind of difference. Here it may just
be the marbling, though.
Either way, I removed the relationship match because it would be prohibited for
parts that only have a difference in color or pattern. I also added 23714pb01
as an alternate item number for the newer part.
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Since
is the *older* part, it should not have the alternate item number. It would have
never been made in the new mold, which is
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I guess I should have finished my thoughts before hitting "Post". 
Basically, I would just keep the original ant numbered 62575pb01 with *no* alternate
item number, keep the new ant numbered 23714 with *no* alternate item number,
and reinstate the relationship between them.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 7, 2020 00:23 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | Well I'm going to eat my words here, but I have a defense, I think I was
thinking of the spiders, I'm so sorry for my confidence when I was clearly
wrong.
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Ah, it's okay. We all make mistakes.
| | I pulled out both ants, I have them in hand and they are indeed identical mold.
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I would be willing to bet that somewhere on those two parts there is a tiny difference.
I can't think of any instance at the moment where a new item number was
assigned by TLG without there being some kind of difference. Here it may just
be the marbling, though.
Either way, I removed the relationship match because it would be prohibited for
parts that only have a difference in color or pattern. I also added 23714pb01
as an alternate item number for the newer part.
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Since
is the *older* part, it should not have the alternate item number. It would have
never been made in the new mold, which is
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 7, 2020 00:07 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts I - M | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, bje writes:
Got these done. I've been line-editing the remaining sections as I go and
am done now with everything but the S and T sections.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 23:04 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | Well I'm going to eat my words here, but I have a defense, I think I was
thinking of the spiders, I'm so sorry for my confidence when I was clearly
wrong.
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Ah, it's okay. We all make mistakes.
| | I pulled out both ants, I have them in hand and they are indeed identical mold.
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I would be willing to bet that somewhere on those two parts there is a tiny difference.
I can't think of any instance at the moment where a new item number was
assigned by TLG without there being some kind of difference. Here it may just
be the marbling, though.
Either way, I removed the relationship match because it would be prohibited for
parts that only have a difference in color or pattern. I also added 23714pb01
as an alternate item number for the newer part.
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| Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 22:59 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
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Without having both parts to examine, I cannot say. But any differences would
likely be extremely minor.
| | Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general?
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We haven't updated this page yet, but everything about item numbering is
here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=168
| | 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?
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No, this is clearly not an assembly. It was renumbered to maintain compatibility
with Peeron. This happened in 2010 before Peeron died.
| | I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.
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I think this is a reasonable request and I see no reason why it should not be
accommodated. If no one objects within the next day or so I'll make it happen.
| | I know the catalog team has different priorities right now
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I am not a spokesperson for the team, but I think it would be fair to say that
our priority is always the catalog and any issues that affect it.
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https://brickset.com/parts/design-62575
https://brickset.com/parts/design-23714
I would suggest that we use the designID that LEGO uses as the main partnumber.
23714 for the plain version,
62575* for the multicolored version with 23714pb* as an alternate,
and a catalog relationship between them.
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I wonder why we don't do this already. In most instances they are the same,
but sometimes they are not. I guess it is probably cases like this where the
LEGO Group uses two different part numbers for what is essentially an identical
part, but for the sake of catalog consistency, it would make sense to use the
official LEGO Part ID for all parts with a suffix (a, b, c, etc.) to distinguish
between different variants.
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| Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 22:43 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I hope this photo putting this to rest makes up for my stupid mistake. Sorry
again
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| Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 22:37 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between 62575cx1 and 23714?
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In response to your concerns, the following two changes were just made:
1. The item number of 62575cx1 was changed to 62575pb01.
2. A relationship match was added for parts 62575pb01 and 23714.
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Well I'm going to eat my words here, but I have a defense, I think I was
thinking of the spiders, I'm so sorry for my confidence when I was clearly
wrong.
I pulled out both ants, I have them in hand and they are indeed identical mold.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 21:07 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between 62575cx1 and 23714?
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In response to your concerns, the following two changes were just made:
1. The item number of 62575cx1 was changed to 62575pb01.
2. A relationship match was added for parts 62575pb01 and 23714.
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| Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 14:05 | | Subject: | Re: Dual molded arms | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
I've always thought it should be reversed, as most arms base would be either
yellow or flesh, therefore limiting the amount of catelog entries drastically.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 10:34 | | Subject: | Re: Dual molded arms | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
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[…]
The choice is of course arbitrary, but during this catalog project, would it
be wise to adapt to LDraw's (and thus Studio's) choice?
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+1
IIRC, LDraw’s rationale was that the upper part is a sleeve, so the main colour
is the one used on the lower part: the arm (and hand) is yellow with a blue/red/white/…
(short) sleeve.
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| Author: | krysto2002 | | Posted: | May 4, 2020 16:07 | | Subject: | Re: search | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, skikyssing writes:
| | I'm not getting the suggestions in the drop down box when typing in searches
anymore...
It seems that this is for everyone.
Why do you have to change something that works perfectly? 
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I've noticed a few major changes to the searchbar myself, all for the worse.
Previews only appear in the search bar when you type in the set number, not the
set name (which kind of defeats the purpose of it, since who memorizes those
anyways?).
Furthermore, when using the search engine now, you only get results that exactly
match the search string. Searching "Spoke" for example only gets me parts containing
"Spoke" and not "Spokes" or "Spoked", likewise I couldn't find the "Mission
Commander" set in a search for "Mission Command".
These changes are super unhelpful, especially to new users who might be coming
to look for something but not certain of exactly what it's called, especially
since naming conventions for parts aren't entirely consistent over the decades
of them being added.
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| Author: | crazylegoman | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 18:59 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BigBBricks writes:
| | In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general? 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?
I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.
And yes, Robert, I know the catalog team has different priorities right now,
but this one just came up and I wonder.
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I have both of these. They look different in person. I don't have them in
front of me at the moment but one sits taller and one looks longer.
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I am in favor of renaming the newer one (or maybe both) in a way that designates
that one is taller and one is longer.
David
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Aren't they different materials? If memory serves the marbled one is a lot
less ridgid that the solid.
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I don't have the Ant-Man Final Battle set, so I can't say.
David
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| Author: | BigBBricks | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 17:56 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general? 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?
I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.
And yes, Robert, I know the catalog team has different priorities right now,
but this one just came up and I wonder.
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I have both of these. They look different in person. I don't have them in
front of me at the moment but one sits taller and one looks longer.
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I am in favor of renaming the newer one (or maybe both) in a way that designates
that one is taller and one is longer.
David
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Aren't they different materials? If memory serves the marbled one is a lot
less ridgid that the solid.
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| Author: | crazylegoman | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 16:14 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general? 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?
I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.
And yes, Robert, I know the catalog team has different priorities right now,
but this one just came up and I wonder.
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I have both of these. They look different in person. I don't have them in
front of me at the moment but one sits taller and one looks longer.
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I am in favor of renaming the newer one (or maybe both) in a way that designates
that one is taller and one is longer.
David
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