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View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - Update 2 - Turez (43)
[...] It took me some time to fully understand your idea. But I think I get it now. 1. You want to rename the current category "Minifigs" to "Figures". Why? I can hardly think [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 28, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - Update 2 - StormChaser (570)
[...] But it could be sooner than that in the absence of further feedback. Anyway, here are some additional comments/questions in chronological order of posting. infinibrix: [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 28, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Assistance Needed with 9V Battery Box Images - BricksThatStick (6371)
If anyone out there can help with some images for the catalog it would be greatly appreciated: Randy and SezaR are in the process of simplifying the 9V battery box inventories. [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 27, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Condition(s) for Used Items - Adjour (2480)
I've never understood the lack of grading descriptions on items, especially figs. I know I often sell a fig at a good price because I'm the one with the description when [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 26, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Condition(s) for Used Items - grimsbricksuk (1479)
It’s not too difficult, I mean over on BrickOwl they manage to give used items different condition levels & it works very well. In Catalog, tonnic writes: [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 26, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts D sect - StormChaser (570)
Excellent work as always. I'm all caught up and I've added some comments below. In Catalog, bje writes: [...] Even though we're not really working at the category [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Pending items in catalog - axaday (7304)
[...] What items are they? Like in most jobs, the catmins are drawn to items that are submitted with a nice pictures and named following convention. Items with no picture, [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Pending items in catalog - StormChaser (570)
[...] Whenever an image has been uploaded, we try to make a decision within three months at the most. Items without images are usually not approved. However, for most items [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Pending items in catalog - Rus_Numis (621)
How long does it usually take for item to be finally added to Catalog when it is in "Pending" status? I tried to add a few items released in 2020 in my store but I didn't [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: set 558 - counter part drum with sticker - Admin_Russell
[...] Yes. This is due to the different type of plastic. It should be listed in BrickLink inventories as Light Gray.
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts FGH - bje (1577)
Definitions – Section F parts Felt - For items made from a pressed mass of fibers . Note 1 Fence - For items that are structures with posts for support, used to divide open [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - popsicle (6672)
[...] Yep, the the feral chicken is more fascinating than their still domesticated cousin. We ran across them in one of our backcountry hikes. They certainly don't behave [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
[...] Apparently, they still exist (URL)
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - popsicle (6672)
[...] +1 Besides, you hardly ever see wild chickens anymore ;)
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - SylvainLS (46)
[...] I, for one, welcome any new participant to the forum ;)
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - Admin_Russell
[...] The cars entries, together with the sp00x line are an experiment. We needed the cars to be minifigs so we could easily compare with partout value over a period of time. [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
[...] I'm just bored. I've been on BrickLink for a while, but I haven't been active on the forum until very recently. You don't have to listen to my answers [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - Update 1 - wildchicken13 (876)
[...] Yeah, it looks like I am not the only one who is confused by the term. Creating a precise definition of the word "minifigure" is challenging. Both the current definition [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - dcarmine (7194)
[...] Ok, thanks for that. Not to offend you, but why are you answering most of the questions? You don't seem to be an Admin, I haven't seen you on the forum before [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
[...] Posters would fall under gear because they are not made of LEGO bricks.
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - cosmicray (3496)
[...] Perhaps Figures should be subdivided into: anthropomorphic animals anthropomorphic robots sentient humanoids I am moderately serious about the above, but what it points [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - cosmicray (3496)
[...] Under Exceptions, where it says "Educational Materials - These are considered books to keep them together in one place, even when only a sheet of paper or a piece of [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - cosmicray (3496)
[...] Could you give an example, or two, or gear/games that will remain in gear. I'm trying to mentally follow how they will be sorted out, one from the other. Nita Rae
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - Update 1 - bje (1577)
[...] snip [...] some more exceptions: Human furniture (Gear 852527) (Gear 4016g) and related Some in the fast food toy category: (Gear 6997) Clocks as in (Gear 4250339)
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: set 558 - counter part drum with sticker - edk (9186)
[...] That color of LG also appears in classic space sets in this part. (Part 4085a)
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - StormChaser (570)
[...] We do not have to go by TLG's definitions, or at least no one has said so yet. The catalog still (as of right now) has some measure of autonomy. As for single-piece [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: set 558 - counter part drum with sticker - StormChaser (570)
[...] I'm not sure the reason for this color difference, but it is highly unlikely that BrickLink will add a new color solely for this winch drum. It's also unlikely [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - cosmicray (3496)
[...] So, the sellers who are listing individual cars from (Set 8639-1) should create catalog entries, and move those listings out of the 8639 set (where they are cluttering [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Category Definitions Discussion - Parts E sect - bje (1577)
Definitions – Section E parts Electric - For items that control, transmits, conducts or receive electricity, radio and IR signals, batteries, cameras and sensors; Electric, [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Category Definitions Discussion - Parts D sect - bje (1577)
I've stopped the split for sets and parts. I am not a DUPLO expert, so I'll keep these generic to tie in with the main catalogue so as to avoid confusion with categories [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - jonwil (82)
The description for (Set 3825-1) lists Plankton by name and the instructions depict Plankton (who in this set is a single printed 1 x 1 round brick and not part of a larger [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - jonwil (82)
How do you draw the distinction between an animal and a figure? The Rock Monster (Part 30305c01) is an animal yet the very similar monsters from Power Miners such as (Minifigure [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: set 558 - counter part drum with sticker - sebastianlego (90)
gray color comparison, from top: Dark bluish Light bluish Light gray Dark gray on sword unknown gray on drum
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - jonwil (82)
No that Minnie Mouse set isn't a "figure" any more than the Minnie Mouse BrickHeadz set is a "figure". But the Baby Minnie Mouse figure from the Primo/Baby sets, the Minnie [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - Update 1 - bje (1577)
[...] snip [...] Depends probably on how autonomous entity is interpreted. If you use TLG's set descriptions, only some animals are autonomous, and others blend into [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - Admin_Russell
[...] [...] Some of them already are: (Minifigure crs018) (Minifigure crs013) (Minifigure crs016)
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - infinibrix (5022)
[...] On the subject of categorizing figures in general I think breaking down some of this stuff might make more sense than renaming Minifigs to Figures and then piling everything [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - Update 1 - StormChaser (570)
[...] yorbrick: The description of how to handle games is to unspecific. Response: Please suggest better terminology. wildchicken13: The new definition of figures is not helpful. [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts C sect - StormChaser (570)
[...] I'm caught up now. This is the only one I had a comment on. Classic, as a word, is utterly meaningless and I'm trying to get away from it. Some of the items [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 25, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - randyf (442)
[...] [...] Not "Minifigs", but "Figures". See (URL) Cheers, Randy
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wahiggin (2867)
[...] So each car from Cars could become minifigs too? (Set 9485-1)
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
Okay, then (Part 2878) (Part 57878) (Part x1687) (Part 3680) (Part 3679) (Part 2429c01) should be considered parts because that is how they appear in unopened sets, but (Part [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
That makes a lot of sense. Some buyers might look under part, others might look under figure. It doesn't make much sense to create separate listings in both categories since [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - dcarmine (7194)
[...] Where do posters go?
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - CPgolfaddict (6606)
In my opinion the right solution here is to change the catalog so that an item can appear in more than one item type and/or more than one category. Otherwise there will always [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
Sorry, I'm using the terms kind of interchangeably. But the LEGO Group uses the term "minifigure" in it's official writing (set descriptions, boxes, etc.), so [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - starbeanie (10852)
But the new classification isn't minifigs, it will be called figures, which is a much broader term. In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes: [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - paulvdb (7157)
[...] This one never came assembled. [...] This one used to come assembled, but that was changed many years ago. [...] This one always comes assembled. [...] There are [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
Yeah, when trying to decide whether or not something can be classified as a minifigure, I consult the box and/or set description (if available) to see if lego describes [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - Turez (43)
[...] In such cases, I would simply try to stick as close as possible to the official classification. For example: The official description of (Set 3815-1) says "Includes [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Instructions - Adjour (2480)
[...] This. I read it the opposite as well, which is why I was confused.
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
If it a part was changed to a minfigure and then back again, it suggests to me that there is some ambiguity in the category definitions, and I don't think that the new definitions [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
New definitions: "Figures - A single part or part assembly that represents an autonomous entity, except parts that are photographs, holograms, or video screens." "Parts - Individual [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - starbeanie (10852)
(Part ava005) is numbered like a minifig it was a part, became a minifig then was changed back to a part In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes: [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
[...] Hmm... I'm not sure that it makes sense to make another category just for school supplies. Do they come in a box with instructions? To me, that would make them a [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
[...] LOL I didn't even notice that. Well then it makes sense that (Minifigure bob027) and (Part lotso1) would be classified as a figure since they are figure-shaped. [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - bje (1577)
[...] snip [...] Then we ought to make the school supplies an exception as well (same as games), since at present one of those pencil hoders is a set and one is a [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
[...] New definitions: "Sets - Parts packaged together that can be combined to build or accessorize a model or models, even if there are no instructions for building a specific [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
[...] Yeah, I realize that not all parts and minifigures come in official sets anymore. But I'm just wondering where to draw the line between an assembly that is a "part" [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - bje (1577)
Are we going to move the brickbuilt gear items as well? (Gear 40080) but (Set 41906-1) In Catalog, StormChaser writes: [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - starbeanie (10852)
That's why the category name is being changed from Minifigs to Figures In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes: [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - bje (1577)
Always gets me confused: (Minifigure dp058) (Minifigure frnd340) but not (Part 23986pb01) (Part 3899pb006) (Part hamm3) Even though all of them are named characters. Personally, [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
[...] I don't know about you, but when I hear the word minifigure, (Minifigure bob027) does not come to mind. However, on the box, it is depicted alongside the other minifigures [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - manganschlamm (1938)
[...] I guess that loosening the definition of parts was needed in view of an increasing number of parts that did not come in sets, like e.g. the BAM parts. The latter never [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - yorbrick (1185)
[...] Yes, a good move here. However, there is still ambiguity in what "significantly brick-built" means. Maybe they should just include regular bricks / LEGO parts as opposed [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
The proposed update has made me question the definition of a part. The old definition: "Individual elements that make up a set." The new definition: "Individual elements and [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - starbeanie (10852)
But see Plankton and Giant-man here (URL) he becomes a minifig if you add a robot body? Hinge plate's and turntables used to come assembled. And dissembling hinge plates [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
[...] Yeah, I like that plan, too. If it has a set number, comes in a box, has instructions, and is mostly made out of lego bricks, it should be a set.
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - wildchicken13 (876)
[...] This is a hard one. If I were a buyer looking for any of those three things, I would not look in the minifigure section. For Plankton and Lotso, I would look under parts. [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - chetzler (2338)
[...] Ah, I see. I didn't realize that gear couldn't get a -1, -2... suffix. Making them sets would indeed solve the problem. I withdraw my somewhat uninformed comment [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - BricksThatStick (6371)
[...] Its added when there is a part with the same number. [...] Once they are classed as sets they can have a suffix like sets and the problem is solved. Then they also [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - axaday (7304)
[...] As Manganschlaum points out, animals are entities. Minnie Mouse is an entity too, but should every Minnie be a figure? (Set 10897-1)
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - axaday (7304)
[...] It is because there are pieces with the same number and when you try to add those pieces to an inventory, the system adds the game instead and there is no way on the [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - chetzler (2338)
[...] Then the item numbers need to be standardized (or re-standardized). Some of them were changed somewhat recently for reasons that are not discernible to me: (Gear [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - starbeanie (10852)
I think they should be particularly because of (Part 3062bpb001) (Minifigure bob027) (Minifigure bob024s) (Part spa0012) (Minifigure 90398pb007) (Minifigure sh448) In [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - manganschlamm (1938)
[...] Question: Will animals be now figures as well?
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - StormChaser (570)
[...] No idea. You tell me. The purpose of this thread is to solicit community feedback, so what are your thoughts?
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - starbeanie (10852)
I like that plan. It solves the whole box and instruction issue for them too. In Catalog, StormChaser writes: [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - starbeanie (10852)
Per the New Figure definition " A single part or part assembly that represents an autonomous entity", (Part spa0012) (Part 3062bpb001) (Part lotso1) will also count? In [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - StormChaser (570)
[...] Yes, that's the plan at the moment. :)
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Item Type Discussion - starbeanie (10852)
According to the new page "Games - These are considered sets when the game is significantly brick-built. Games that do not predominantly feature built models are considered gear." [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Item Type Discussion - StormChaser (570)
We're considering the possibility of updating the page defining item types on June 1st when we add the new category definitions. Please take a look at the difference between [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Images/Renders Part 4447 - StormChaser (570)
[...] This part was produced over a 25-year time period, so I have little doubt that variants exist. If someone can document that with comparison photos, please let us know [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts B sect - StormChaser (570)
[...] It should not be difficult to guess: there is no requirement. :) Yes, themed parts do not some reconsideration. This categories page you're generously assisting [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Category Definitions Discussion - yorbrick (1185)
[...] [...] Should the hollow stud count as a stud as it is different to studs on normal plates. To me, a jumper is a tile with a hollow stud in the middle. And what about [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Category Definitions Discussion - WoutR (920)
[...] I agree. If there are studs on top, then it is a "Plate, modified". If there are no studs on top, then it is a "Tile, modified".
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Instructions - hpoort (416)
[...] Still thinking about removing variants from the catalog? Why even consider this, when there are so many great suggestions to approach this differently? One simple change [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Instructions - markim (10554)
[...] But should your question then be why they do make a difference in stickers in stead of why they do not do it in instructions? With the argument that your buyers do not [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Instructions - bje (1577)
[...] First, the idea that having a catalogue that correctly identifies things as being fussy, is no good. A lot of sellers do a proper job of selling, they are knowledgeable [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 24, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Instructions - starbeanie (10852)
Thank you for your support of this idea. In Catalog, randyf writes: [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 23, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Images/Renders Part 4447 - SylvainLS (46)
[...] So, I stand corrected: the 3D model did have hollow stud, until February 2009, which is still way older than Studio. But I still don’t get how the Studio renders used [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 23, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Images/Renders Part 4447 - anathema (1538)
[...] Actually, it did have hollow studs when originally modelled. I fixed it back in 2009: 0 !HISTORY 2009-02-08 [anathema] Added pivot holes; BFC'd; corrected stud [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 23, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Images/Renders Part 4447 - SylvainLS (46)
[...] That was just a guess. They sure are renders and they sure don’t look like usual LDraw renders. [...] I beg to differ. [...] The part has solid studs. [...] [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 23, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Instructions - randyf (442)
[...] I don't know about the others, but I would be on board with this approach. I would make one slight adjustment to the name by using an "or". So "Sticker Sheet for [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 23, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Images/Renders Part 4447 - axaday (7304)
I have red and white. In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes: [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 23, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Images/Renders Part 4447 - Admin_Russell
[...] Those are Studio renders from the 2017 image project. We retained all photographs in that project and only replaced render with render. In this case there were no official [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 23, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Images/Renders Part 4447 - randyf (442)
[...] [...] Those are not LEGO renders. They are renders from something else. And the images definitely show hollow studs. I don't know how they could be interpreted [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 23, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts B sect - leopard37 (4571)
[...] ++1
(50 months ago, Apr 23, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts B sect - SylvainLS (46)
[...] +1
(50 months ago, Apr 23, 2020, to Catalog)
View Thread Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts B sect - edeevo (11208)
[...] This has always fascinated me... I have a fond appreciation for the Bionicle theme nowadays, but I was a little too old to care about them much when they initially came [...]
(50 months ago, Apr 23, 2020, to Catalog)

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