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| | | Author: | starbeanie  | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 10:05 | | Subject: | Instructions | | Viewed: | 135 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Why aren't there separate catalog entries for the US vs. Foreign instructions
on set entries? They have different id codes printed on them. Lego differentiates
between them if you are reprinting them.
Print Versions
Building instructions labeled "NA" or "V39" may be printed on US standard letter
size paper
Building instructions labeled "IN" or "V29" may be printed on EU standard A4
paper
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| | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 13:02 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| But we differentiate between
and the only difference is the number tells you whether it was formatted for
printing on US vs. EU standard paper.
just the same as the instructions.
In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Why aren't there separate catalog entries for the US vs. Foreign instructions
on set entries? They have different id codes printed on them. Lego differentiates
between them if you are reprinting them.
Print Versions
Building instructions labeled "NA" or "V39" may be printed on US standard letter
size paper
Building instructions labeled "IN" or "V29" may be printed on EU standard A4
paper
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BrickLink as a rule does not differentiate between minor variations when it comes
to sets. Boxes, instructions, and even contents can be slightly different, but
there is usually only a single entry.
BrickLink's primary focus as a marketplace has always been parts, and so
you'll find more variations present in that Item Type.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 13:38 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Then going forward can we stop creating more of them at least?
I've suggested that we go with Sticker Sheet for Set 10248 - (21016/6112603)
to Sticker Sheet for Set 10248 - (21016/6112603)(21015/6112596)
You are currently missing hundreds of these sticker sheet entries. Almost all
stickers since 2014 exist as 2 versions. People parting out sets don't bother
to look at the small numbers, they know what set it's from, so they don't
submit the variants. I run into them because I'm one of the biggest dealers
in stickers and I input them with BrickStock. I'm willing to submit title
changes as I find them to add the new numbers, but creating a new entry, uploading
a picture,and after waiting for approval to add to an inventory is not worth
the effort to me.
That's why my store terms state "Currently Bricklink has chosen to not add
alternate sticker sheet numbers for some sheets. For example
75899stk01 is catalogued as Sticker Sheet for Set 75899 - (19242/6097405) but
also comes as (19665/6100922) .
You may receive either version of these sheets if ordering from our store."
In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | But we differentiate between
and the only difference is the number tells you whether it was formatted for
printing on US vs. EU standard paper.
just the same as the instructions.
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Sticker sheets are considered parts - that's why there is this fussiness.
I agree - this is really splitting hairs, and I have commented on more than
one occasion that you could switch the two entries around back and forth and
likely no one would notice.
But fixing something like this is like removing a variant from the catalog that
people have spent time distinguishing. I actually have a list of parts (other
than stickers) where the variant is clearly out of the BrickLink scope, but removing
them from the catalog is something I'm not ready to pursue at this time.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 16:01 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Then going forward can we stop creating more of them at least?
I've suggested that we go with Sticker Sheet for Set 10248 - (21016/6112603)
to Sticker Sheet for Set 10248 - (21016/6112603)(21015/6112596)
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I don't know about the others, but I would be on board with this approach.
I would make one slight adjustment to the name by using an "or". So
"Sticker Sheet for Set 10248 - (21016/6112603) or (21015/6112596)"
I tried to have the NA versus International dealt with *very* recently, but was
told in no uncertain terms that no major changes to the catalog were to be made
at this time. It was the same reason we had to halt the sticker project altogether.
I am hoping that we can get back to it and this will be dealt with.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 20:11 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Thank you for your support of this idea.
In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Then going forward can we stop creating more of them at least?
I've suggested that we go with Sticker Sheet for Set 10248 - (21016/6112603)
to Sticker Sheet for Set 10248 - (21016/6112603)(21015/6112596)
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I don't know about the others, but I would be on board with this approach.
I would make one slight adjustment to the name by using an "or". So
"Sticker Sheet for Set 10248 - (21016/6112603) or (21015/6112596)"
I tried to have the NA versus International dealt with *very* recently, but was
told in no uncertain terms that no major changes to the catalog were to be made
at this time. It was the same reason we had to halt the sticker project altogether.
I am hoping that we can get back to it and this will be dealt with.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2020 05:23 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | But we differentiate between
and the only difference is the number tells you whether it was formatted for
printing on US vs. EU standard paper.
just the same as the instructions.
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Sticker sheets are considered parts - that's why there is this fussiness.
I agree - this is really splitting hairs, and I have commented on more than
one occasion that you could switch the two entries around back and forth and
likely no one would notice.
But fixing something like this is like removing a variant from the catalog that
people have spent time distinguishing. I actually have a list of parts (other
than stickers) where the variant is clearly out of the BrickLink scope, but removing
them from the catalog is something I'm not ready to pursue at this time.
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First, the idea that having a catalogue that correctly identifies things as being
fussy, is no good. A lot of sellers do a proper job of selling, they are knowledgeable
about their product, they attempt to list correctly, add lines of detail to listings
and to provide buyers with the opportunity to buy genuine LEGO parts only. It
is not fussy or splitting hairs or beyond the scope of any catalogue to differentiate
things properly – that is actually what a catalogue is supposed to do.
A failure to do so, reduces the value of the catalogue as an asset to TLG and,
over time, the usefulness of the site.
Second, when you take some time and actually read your preferred payment processor's
new terms effective June 2020, you might find that a catalogue that does a good
job of identifying genuine LEGO parts, is maybe something the site should strive
for. This should go without saying.
Third, redesign your help pages to take images and make help pages for variants.
On the main page for catalogue entries, all that needs to be said is: "Variants
on this page: helppage address". That page could have all the images, without
the current confusion for the changing colours viewed. It can have timelines.
It can exist and be a catalogue of issues. It can be a knowledge base for everything
to do with a part, independent of the fact that you have to first see to existence
in a set inventory. That way you have choices to deal with the sticker issue
as Randy mentioned, or you could deal with it irrespective of the actual sticker
numbers or even part numbers.
Through all of that, maybe BL can help its customers. The very good argument
your customer made for the improvement of his store and thus BL as a whole, can
then turn into something easily achieved. It is just required of BL to actually
provide a method for doing so - be the enabler as is it supposed to be. Your
ever loving fussy volunteers will probably populate the help pages for free.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2020 07:14 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | But we differentiate between
and the only difference is the number tells you whether it was formatted for
printing on US vs. EU standard paper.
just the same as the instructions.
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Sticker sheets are considered parts - that's why there is this fussiness.
I agree - this is really splitting hairs, and I have commented on more than
one occasion that you could switch the two entries around back and forth and
likely no one would notice.
But fixing something like this is like removing a variant from the catalog that
people have spent time distinguishing. I actually have a list of parts (other
than stickers) where the variant is clearly out of the BrickLink scope, but removing
them from the catalog is something I'm not ready to pursue at this time.
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Still thinking about removing variants from the catalog? Why even consider this,
when there are so many great suggestions to approach this differently?
One simple change to the search features would totally solve most if not all
of the variants problems:
* when a user searches for the (undetermined) base type, include all variants
in the search results or wanted list match
* when a user searches for the specific variant, include only those lots for
sale that are guaranteed by the sellers to be of that specific variant.
This would allow for including all known variants on Bricklink as it would give
both sellers and buyers the freedom to distinguish at will and not have these
bottomless discussions about whether or not to recognize a variant without clear
rules.
In January I posted in detail about what this small technical change / policy
change would mean for the technique and interface. This triggered some additional
suggestions that would even make it better. I am still waiting for a well thought
reply from Bricklink about this.
Hans-Peter
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 13:21 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| If they start differentiating instructions then they will need to do boxes too,
as they are also different.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 14:38 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Isn't there a difference between many NA vs. International stickers? I thought
some stickers were printed on white stock while others are on clear stock.
In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | But we differentiate between
and the only difference is the number tells you whether it was formatted for
printing on US vs. EU standard paper.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 14:41 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Those are listed like this
In Catalog, tEoS writes:
| | Isn't there a difference between many NA vs. International stickers? I thought
some stickers were printed on white stock while others are on clear stock.
In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | But we differentiate between
and the only difference is the number tells you whether it was formatted for
printing on US vs. EU standard paper.
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| | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 13:49 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Why aren't there separate catalog entries for the US vs. Foreign instructions
on set entries? They have different id codes printed on them. Lego differentiates
between them if you are reprinting them.
Print Versions
Building instructions labeled "NA" or "V39" may be printed on US standard letter
size paper
Building instructions labeled "IN" or "V29" may be printed on EU standard A4
paper
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I sell a lot of instructions. Honestly I don't think many people care. I've
only had variant requests/questions 3 times and it was all for the same Slave
1 book.
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| | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 13:53 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| They don't care about the sticker sheets either but we split those up.
In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Why aren't there separate catalog entries for the US vs. Foreign instructions
on set entries? They have different id codes printed on them. Lego differentiates
between them if you are reprinting them.
Print Versions
Building instructions labeled "NA" or "V39" may be printed on US standard letter
size paper
Building instructions labeled "IN" or "V29" may be printed on EU standard A4
paper
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I sell a lot of instructions. Honestly I don't think many people care. I've
only had variant requests/questions 3 times and it was all for the same Slave
1 book.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 14:02 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | They don't care about the sticker sheets either but we split those up.
In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Why aren't there separate catalog entries for the US vs. Foreign instructions
on set entries? They have different id codes printed on them. Lego differentiates
between them if you are reprinting them.
Print Versions
Building instructions labeled "NA" or "V39" may be printed on US standard letter
size paper
Building instructions labeled "IN" or "V29" may be printed on EU standard A4
paper
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I sell a lot of instructions. Honestly I don't think many people care. I've
only had variant requests/questions 3 times and it was all for the same Slave
1 book.
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I am not interested in/ wont get into the catalog politics.
I am simply saying I don't think its important or high priority, even if
someone did so in the past with stickers.
I'm not sure how much work that would be for the admins, let alone people
like me, who may now have to change 1300 + listings for something that doesn't
really matter. IMO.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 14:09 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Exactly. As a major sticker seller, I'm having to deal with all the duplication's.
I just want consistency.
In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | They don't care about the sticker sheets either but we split those up.
In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Why aren't there separate catalog entries for the US vs. Foreign instructions
on set entries? They have different id codes printed on them. Lego differentiates
between them if you are reprinting them.
Print Versions
Building instructions labeled "NA" or "V39" may be printed on US standard letter
size paper
Building instructions labeled "IN" or "V29" may be printed on EU standard A4
paper
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I sell a lot of instructions. Honestly I don't think many people care. I've
only had variant requests/questions 3 times and it was all for the same Slave
1 book.
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I am not interested in/ wont get into the catalog politics.
I am simply saying I don't think its important or high priority, even if
someone did so in the past with stickers.
I'm not sure how much work that would be for the admins, let alone people
like me, who may now have to change 1300 + listings for something that doesn't
really matter. IMO.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 14:22 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Exactly. As a major sticker seller, I'm having to deal with all the duplication's.
I just want consistency.
In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | They don't care about the sticker sheets either but we split those up.
In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Why aren't there separate catalog entries for the US vs. Foreign instructions
on set entries? They have different id codes printed on them. Lego differentiates
between them if you are reprinting them.
Print Versions
Building instructions labeled "NA" or "V39" may be printed on US standard letter
size paper
Building instructions labeled "IN" or "V29" may be printed on EU standard A4
paper
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I sell a lot of instructions. Honestly I don't think many people care. I've
only had variant requests/questions 3 times and it was all for the same Slave
1 book.
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I am not interested in/ wont get into the catalog politics.
I am simply saying I don't think its important or high priority, even if
someone did so in the past with stickers.
I'm not sure how much work that would be for the admins, let alone people
like me, who may now have to change 1300 + listings for something that doesn't
really matter. IMO.
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Totally agree with you there 
Do you find customers care about these variations?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2020 14:34 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Exactly. As a major sticker seller, I'm having to deal with all the duplication's.
I just want consistency.
In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | They don't care about the sticker sheets either but we split those up.
In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Why aren't there separate catalog entries for the US vs. Foreign instructions
on set entries? They have different id codes printed on them. Lego differentiates
between them if you are reprinting them.
Print Versions
Building instructions labeled "NA" or "V39" may be printed on US standard letter
size paper
Building instructions labeled "IN" or "V29" may be printed on EU standard A4
paper
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I sell a lot of instructions. Honestly I don't think many people care. I've
only had variant requests/questions 3 times and it was all for the same Slave
1 book.
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I am not interested in/ wont get into the catalog politics.
I am simply saying I don't think its important or high priority, even if
someone did so in the past with stickers.
I'm not sure how much work that would be for the admins, let alone people
like me, who may now have to change 1300 + listings for something that doesn't
really matter. IMO.
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Totally agree with you there
Do you find customers care about these variations?
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Nope. In fact they ask why the same sticker has 2 different listings if there
is no difference. Once you put the stickers on the Lego you can't tell which
it came from.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | markim | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2020 05:57 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Exactly. As a major sticker seller, I'm having to deal with all the duplication's.
I just want consistency.
In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | They don't care about the sticker sheets either but we split those up.
In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Why aren't there separate catalog entries for the US vs. Foreign instructions
on set entries? They have different id codes printed on them. Lego differentiates
between them if you are reprinting them.
Print Versions
Building instructions labeled "NA" or "V39" may be printed on US standard letter
size paper
Building instructions labeled "IN" or "V29" may be printed on EU standard A4
paper
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I sell a lot of instructions. Honestly I don't think many people care. I've
only had variant requests/questions 3 times and it was all for the same Slave
1 book.
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I am not interested in/ wont get into the catalog politics.
I am simply saying I don't think its important or high priority, even if
someone did so in the past with stickers.
I'm not sure how much work that would be for the admins, let alone people
like me, who may now have to change 1300 + listings for something that doesn't
really matter. IMO.
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Totally agree with you there
Do you find customers care about these variations?
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Nope. In fact they ask why the same sticker has 2 different listings if there
is no difference. Once you put the stickers on the Lego you can't tell which
it came from.
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But should your question then be why they do make a difference in stickers in
stead of why they do not do it in instructions?
With the argument that your buyers do not care?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2020 13:54 | | Subject: | Re: Instructions | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, markim writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Exactly. As a major sticker seller, I'm having to deal with all the duplication's.
I just want consistency.
In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | They don't care about the sticker sheets either but we split those up.
In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | Why aren't there separate catalog entries for the US vs. Foreign instructions
on set entries? They have different id codes printed on them. Lego differentiates
between them if you are reprinting them.
Print Versions
Building instructions labeled "NA" or "V39" may be printed on US standard letter
size paper
Building instructions labeled "IN" or "V29" may be printed on EU standard A4
paper
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I sell a lot of instructions. Honestly I don't think many people care. I've
only had variant requests/questions 3 times and it was all for the same Slave
1 book.
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I am not interested in/ wont get into the catalog politics.
I am simply saying I don't think its important or high priority, even if
someone did so in the past with stickers.
I'm not sure how much work that would be for the admins, let alone people
like me, who may now have to change 1300 + listings for something that doesn't
really matter. IMO.
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Totally agree with you there
Do you find customers care about these variations?
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Nope. In fact they ask why the same sticker has 2 different listings if there
is no difference. Once you put the stickers on the Lego you can't tell which
it came from.
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But should your question then be why they do make a difference in stickers in
stead of why they do not do it in instructions?
With the argument that your buyers do not care?
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This. I read it the opposite as well, which is why I was confused.
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