|
 |
| | | Author: | Nubs_Select  | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 17:24 | | Subject: | Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 264 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| I am trying to place an order on bricklink and in the invoice it says "For
PayPal payment:
Use family/friend option for this transfer" which I usually ignore but for
some reason whenever I go to pay (since its not onsite) it only lets me pay via
friends and family which I won't do as I have 0 protection (and it's
against Paypal TOS) so my question is what should I do. for reference the store
is from the Ukraine so I'm not sure if that has something to do with it
|
|
| | | | | |
| | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 17:33 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, Nubs_Select writes:
| | I am trying to place an order on bricklink and in the invoice it says "For
PayPal payment:
Use family/friend option for this transfer" which I usually ignore but for
some reason whenever I go to pay (since its not onsite) it only lets me pay via
friends and family which I won't do as I have 0 protection (and it's
against Paypal TOS)
|
Good call 
| | so my question is what should I do. for reference the store
is from the Ukraine so I'm not sure if that has something to do with it
|
Smells fishy.
And there’s no sanctions against Ukraine. Besides, if there were, I think everything
would be blocked.
I would report the store to BL and/or PP.
|
|
| | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 17:40 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Payment Methods, Nubs_Select writes:
| | I am trying to place an order on bricklink and in the invoice it says "For
PayPal payment:
Use family/friend option for this transfer" which I usually ignore but for
some reason whenever I go to pay (since its not onsite) it only lets me pay via
friends and family which I won't do as I have 0 protection (and it's
against Paypal TOS)
|
Good call
| | so my question is what should I do. for reference the store
is from the Ukraine so I'm not sure if that has something to do with it
|
Smells fishy.
And there’s no sanctions against Ukraine. Besides, if there were, I think everything
would be blocked.
I would report the store to BL and/or PP.
|
how would i go about reporting them to bricklink (dont feel like getting into
a Paypal mess right now)
|
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 17:45 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, Nubs_Select writes:
| | […]
how would i go about reporting them to bricklink (dont feel like getting into
a Paypal mess right now)
|
Report member: https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
Yes, its descriptions says “non-transactional” but that’s where you go when you
suspect fraud.
|
|
| | | | | |
| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:01 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, Nubs_Select writes:
| | I am trying to place an order on bricklink and in the invoice it says "For
PayPal payment:
Use family/friend option for this transfer" which I usually ignore but for
some reason whenever I go to pay (since its not onsite) it only lets me pay via
friends and family which I won't do as I have 0 protection (and it's
against Paypal TOS) so my question is what should I do.
|
| | for reference the store is from the Ukraine so I'm not sure if that has something to do with it
|
It is...
PayPal rather than excluding Ukraine from services due to contractural reason
during these times has implemented what is called "Expansion of Services"
to Ukrainian users to what we know as "Family and Friends" PayPal service.
In other words, slow down on that reporting. Look into it first.
-popsicle
|
|
|
| | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:10 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| no worries I havnt reported yet but looking at that its description is "As
of March 17, 2022, we've expanded our services for Ukrainian customers in
Ukraine. * To support Ukrainians at this critical time, we're providing more
ways to send and receive money quickly and securely between friends, family,
and loved ones." and the seller is not "friends, family, or loved ones"
and this is a business transaction so I still cant pay with it
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:16 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, Nubs_Select writes:
| | no worries I havnt reported yet but looking at that its description is "As
of March 17, 2022, we've expanded our services for Ukrainian customers in
Ukraine. * To support Ukrainians at this critical time, we're providing more
ways to send and receive money quickly and securely between friends, family,
and loved ones." and the seller is not "friends, family, or loved ones"
and this is a business transaction so I still cant pay with it
|
Yeah, I was reading their press release too: they don’t talk about business transactions.
But that explains how the seller managed to have only FF: they didn’t, it’s PayPal
who did 
Now, maybe you can look into your genealogic tree and see if the seller is not
actually familly?
|
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:21 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, SylvainLS writes:
| | Now, maybe you can look into your genealogical tree and see if the seller is not actually family?
|
Technically speaking isn't everyone family? Now I can avoid PayPal fees
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:26 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Payment Methods, Nubs_Select writes:
| | no worries I havnt reported yet but looking at that its description is "As
of March 17, 2022, we've expanded our services for Ukrainian customers in
Ukraine. * To support Ukrainians at this critical time, we're providing more
ways to send and receive money quickly and securely between friends, family,
and loved ones." and the seller is not "friends, family, or loved ones"
and this is a business transaction so I still cant pay with it
|
Yeah, I was reading their press release too: they don’t talk about business transactions.
But that explains how the seller managed to have only FF: they didn’t, it’s PayPal
who did
Now, maybe you can look into your genealogic tree and see if the seller is not
actually family?
|
its mostly dutch quite far back (although my mom is adopted so that side
is a mystery )
|
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:30 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, Nubs_Select writes:
Ти точно українець!!!!!!!! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:31 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| | | its mostly dutch quite far back (although my mom is adopted so that side
is a mystery )
|
Very kind from you to have adopted your mom!
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 19:01 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | its mostly dutch quite far back (although my mom is adopted so that side
is a mystery )
|
Very kind from you to have adopted your mom!
|
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:26 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| | | Now, maybe you can look into your genealogic tree and see if the seller is not
actually familly?
|
Or an ex-loved people, only Nubs knows?
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:18 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, Nubs_Select writes:
| | the seller is not "friends, family, or loved ones"
|
But, in these critical times, aren't all Ukrainians our friends and family?
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:21 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Payment Methods, Nubs_Select writes:
| | the seller is not "friends, family, or loved ones"
|
But, in these critical times, aren't all Ukrainians our friends and family?
|
But what about “Never do business with familly”?
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:22 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, SylvainLS writes:
| | But what about “Never do business with familly”?
|
But it's not business if you pay with PayPal Friends & Family… 
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:26 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Payment Methods, SylvainLS writes:
| | But what about “Never do business with familly”?
|
But it's not business if you pay with PayPal Friends & Family…
|
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:34 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 116 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Payment Methods, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Payment Methods, SylvainLS writes:
| | But what about “Never do business with familly”?
|
But it's not business if you pay with PayPal Friends & Family…
|
|
It's good you all can find some humor in this. I somehow can't quite
get there, knowing of the unimaginable suffering the people of Ukraine are living
through as we speak.
Almost envy the ability you guys have to do so.
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 19:25 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, popsicle writes:
| | It's good you all can find some humor in this. I somehow can't quite
get there, knowing of the unimaginable suffering the people of Ukraine are living
through as we speak.
Almost envy the ability you guys have to do so.
|
Viktor Frankl said humor helps people survive suffering
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 19:43 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Payment Methods, popsicle writes:
| | It's good you all can find some humor in this. I somehow can't quite
get there, knowing of the unimaginable suffering the people of Ukraine are living
through as we speak.
Almost envy the ability you guys have to do so.
|
Viktor Frankl said humor helps people survive suffering
|
I believe humor has an amazing ability to alleviate emotional suffering and by
extension, even physical pain. But does nothing to assuage the suffering of others
unless they share in the humor being expressed. In other words, this humor is
at the expense of those that suffer.
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 19:58 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, popsicle writes:
| | I believe humor has an amazing ability to alleviate emotional suffering and by
extension, even physical pain. But does nothing to assuage the suffering of others
unless they share in the humor being expressed. In other words, this humor is
at the expense of those that suffer.
|
Indeed, my impression of Ukrainians is that they are a strong, serious nation.
But, then again, much of what is true of Ukraine is also true of Russia
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 20:01 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Payment Methods, popsicle writes:
| | I believe humor has an amazing ability to alleviate emotional suffering and by
extension, even physical pain. But does nothing to assuage the suffering of others
unless they share in the humor being expressed. In other words, this humor is
at the expense of those that suffer.
|
Indeed, my impression of Ukrainians is that they are a strong, serious nation.
But, then again, much of what is true of Ukraine is also true of Russia
|
Well stated.
|
|
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:28 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| | (Cancelled) |
|
| | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2023 18:10 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| In Payment Methods, popsicle writes:
| | It is...
PayPal rather than excluding Ukraine from services due to contractural reason
during these times has implemented what is called "Expansion of Services"
to Ukrainian users to what we know as "Family and Friends" PayPal service.
In other words, slow down on that reporting. Look into it first.
-popsicle
|
So it's okay to pay via PayPal Friends & Family if the seller is in Ukraine?
|
|
| | | | | |
| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Dec 24, 2023 00:29 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| | | Use family/friend option for this transfer" which I usually ignore but for
some reason whenever I go to pay (since its not onsite) it only lets me pay via
friends and family which I won't do as I have 0 protection...
|
That is not necessarily correct depending on how you initiate the payment. If
you pay by credit card through paypal, then you still have protection through
your credit card company. The seller has no seller protection whatsoever, as
it was not a business transaction and so no goods were exchanged for money. In
that case, you have protection and the seller (as your friend) has none.
There is a scam on PayPal based on it where an unknown person makes a F&F payment
to a random person, then contacts them to ask for it back but says PayPal is
blocking their account due to the mistake, so instead could they refund through
bank transfer. As soon as they get the refund, they claim credit card fraud and
the F&F payment gets reversed as there was no business transaction, just a payment
between known friends. An alternative version is using a stolen card, where again
the seller loses once the card holder realises. The person sending the bank transfer
thinks they are safe as it was a F&F transaction that cannot be reversed (when
reality is it can).
This is from their terms ...
Ineligible Items and Transactions
The following items or transactions are not eligible for PayPal Seller Protection:
:
:
Personal payments including a payment sent using PayPal's friend and family
functionality.
:
|
|
|
| | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 25, 2023 00:07 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| Unfortunately I don’t have a credit card yet 😅 the plan is to get one once I’m
debt free so I havnt gotten one yet. But yah I’m for sure not going to go thru
unless I can pay normally.
|
|
| | | | | |
| | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 25, 2023 12:07 | | Subject: | Re: Cant pay with Goods and Services | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
|
| The order has now been canceled by the seller after I filled an OCR. They never
responded to any messages but at least it’s canceled
|
|
|
|
|
Canada, Ontario
France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
USA, Washington
United Kingdom, England