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| | | Author: | Teup  | | Posted: | Feb 13, 2024 16:05 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Yup, it's just wild how the only 2 e-commerce sites that I know that don't
have iDeal are Bricklink.com and Lego.com. And somehow they found each other
It's 2024. Why are they so stuck on offsite payments? Who sends bank transfers
anyway? Not even private trading places like Marktplaats rely on manual offsite
payments anymore. It's increasingly strange, and soon it will even seem suspicious
to new members.
Probably Lego.com doesn't care about or need the Dutch market. People are
better off buying sets in stores rather than waiting for an invoice and then
hope Lego will spot the bank transfer in a reasonable timeframe. If people buy
in stores, Lego still wins, so that makes sense. But Bricklink?
In Suggestions, Familybuild writes:
| | True, i did not even realise the extra (free) money generation for bricklink
this brings.
Also it is stated across forums lately that bricklink is a market before a catalog..
Viewing through a markets perspective, not having these methods to accept payment
feels off.
Also Ideal and other payment methods are not accepted at lego themselves.
So i do suspect getting even small changes done has to go through so many corporate
levels
That makes the process most likely very slow..
Well i figured if one seller with forum spams can accumulate into a actual change
be it in policy.. we just gotta dig in and hold on..
I do hope this wont have to go to an day 365 or beyond asking for ideal and other
payment methods for stripe though..
See ya tomorrow
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 13, 2024 17:00 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | Probably Lego.com doesn't care about or need the Dutch market.
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No, but yes, in that Ideal is for what, one Country?
No one here has ever seen Ideal here, and we're neighbours.
In France BNP has a local payment system also. So the, BrickLink would implement
a different payment method PER Country?
Sorry, but it's impossible.
Apart this, Stripe DO accept zillions of payment modes, including Cryptos and
Ideal IIRC?
The problem is that it must be accepted and set up by BrickLink. Right now, Stripe
on site is VERY limited to maybe 1 or 2 payment modes, that could be changed.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2024 05:24 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Probably Lego.com doesn't care about or need the Dutch market.
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No, but yes, in that Ideal is for what, one Country?
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Yes. Why run a Dutch version of the lego site at all then? Why translate the
whole site, for just what, one country? (well, two) Either you do business somewhere
or you don't. Sending people emails with manual payment instructions is just
silly. They actually check all those payments manually and it's a ton of
work for them, they told me on the phone more than once. Keep in mind Dutch people
do not have credit cards or debit cards with card numbers like you guys do.
| | In France BNP has a local payment system also. So the, BrickLink would implement
a different payment method PER Country?
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Not implement, just check the box in Stripe. BrickOwl did it. I did it in my
own webshop. I get Klarna payments without even knowing what Klarna is. Stripe
supports a ton of methods. You just need to check the box and that's it.
Would you like more buyers from the Netherlands? Just enable iDeal and they will
increase instantly. You don't ever have to know what iDeal even is or how
it looks or works.
And the neat thing: iDeal takes no percentage fee, just a fixed €0.29. The sellers
and Bricklink itself will 1. save money on the PayPal fees and 2. attract a lot
more Dutch users, as PayPal is really not popular or well known here, and again,
card payment is not possible for the vast majority of Dutch residents.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2024 05:32 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Probably Lego.com doesn't care about or need the Dutch market.
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No, but yes, in that Ideal is for what, one Country?
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Yes. Why run a Dutch version of the lego site at all then? Why translate the
whole site, for just what, one country? (well, two) Either you do business somewhere
or you don't. Sending people emails with manual payment instructions is just
silly. They actually check all those payments manually and it's a ton of
work for them, they told me on the phone more than once. Keep in mind Dutch people
do not have credit cards or debit cards with card numbers like you guys do.
| | In France BNP has a local payment system also. So the, BrickLink would implement
a different payment method PER Country?
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Not implement, just check the box in Stripe. BrickOwl did it. I did it in my
own webshop. I get Klarna payments without even knowing what Klarna is. Stripe
supports a ton of methods. You just need to check the box and that's it.
Would you like more buyers from the Netherlands? Just enable iDeal and they will
increase instantly. You don't ever have to know what iDeal even is or how
it looks or works.
And the neat thing: iDeal takes no percentage fee, just a fixed €0.29. The sellers
and Bricklink itself will 1. save money on the PayPal fees and 2. attract a lot
more Dutch users, as PayPal is really not popular or well known here, and again,
card payment is not possible for the vast majority of Dutch residents.
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Card payments in France make up 52% of the French transactions:
https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/1218504/online-payments-breakdown-france.jpg
While making up 8% of Dutch transactions. Very few people have a credit card
and our debit cards usually do not have numbers:
https://www.internetkassa.nu/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Gebruik-iDAL-2022-Betaalvereniging-Nederland.png
And if store numbers are a fair indication, the NL is a bigger presence on Bricklink
than France is (1214 against 629). It's just an instant traffic boost for
all sellers who have Dutch customers.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2024 05:54 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
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And if store numbers are a fair indication, the NL is a bigger presence on Bricklink
than France is (1214 against 629).
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It’s because the French buy from NL sellers!
| | It's just an instant traffic boost for
all sellers who have Dutch customers.
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But there’s no Dutch buyers! It’s only sellers in NL! 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2024 06:36 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | | | It's just an instant traffic boost for
all sellers who have Dutch customers.
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But there’s no Dutch buyers! It’s only sellers in NL!
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Well we do have a disproportionally large seller's mentality "my old
left sandal? as good as new, just one strap missing? oh, I could EASILY sell
that on the Kingsday market for at least €5! This old comic book I found in the
attic? It must be a super excusive collector's item! If I describe it like
that on Marktplaats I'm sure I can catch at least €100!"
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | LeeGo73 | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2024 08:26 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | | | It's just an instant traffic boost for
all sellers who have Dutch customers.
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But there’s no Dutch buyers! It’s only sellers in NL!
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Well we do have a disproportionally large seller's mentality "my old
left sandal? as good as new, just one strap missing? oh, I could EASILY sell
that on the Kingsday market for at least €5! This old comic book I found in the
attic? It must be a super excusive collector's item! If I describe it like
that on Marktplaats I'm sure I can catch at least €100!"
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IDEAL is coming to France, Belgium and Germany soon enough. It's the base
for a new online payment system to compete with Paypal in EU. The name might
change though.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2024 11:03 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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Agreed with everything - but why would BrickLink better implement a specific
Country payment method, than more generic other one(s)?
And IIRC, Ideal is possible with Stripe? Or something has to be set up by BrickLink
to make it accepted? As I said in another post...
But I can't deny it'd be easier for you guys, no problem with that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2024 11:08 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
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Agreed with everything - but why would BrickLink better implement a specific
Country payment method, than more generic other one(s)?
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1454653
| | And IIRC, Ideal is possible with Stripe? Or something has to be set up by BrickLink
to make it accepted? As I said in another post...
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1454628
| | But I can't deny it'd be easier for you guys, no problem with that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2024 11:32 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
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Still have doubts on this, here anyway
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Cards weren’t supposed to supplant cheques and cash 🤷♂️
That post is a question and the post I linked to is its answer, and you just
reiterated the same question.
When you end your sentences with interrogation marks, that means you don’t know
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2024 11:35 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
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Still have doubts on this, here anyway
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Cards weren’t supposed to supplant cheques and cash 🤷♂️
That post is a question and the post I linked to is its answer, and you just
reiterated the same question.
When you end your sentences with interrogation marks, that means you don’t know
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In fact I'm sure now:
https://docs.stripe.com/payments/ideal?locale=en-EN
BrickLink has "just" to authorize/set this up?
(note: I don't know neither)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2024 11:37 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
That's what it sounds like, though I imagine there's a fear it will break
something.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2024 12:07 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
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Agreed with everything - but why would BrickLink better implement a specific
Country payment method, than more generic other one(s)?
And IIRC, Ideal is possible with Stripe? Or something has to be set up by BrickLink
to make it accepted? As I said in another post...
But I can't deny it'd be easier for you guys, no problem with that.
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Yeah, if the one you mentioned is worth adding too (considering how many people
use it vs what it'd cost to implement), then definitely. I think as a rule
of thumb, in each country Bricklink does business, it should just offer the #1
payment method (or maybe top 3 payment methods if possible) that people expect
to find when they go online shopping. Wouldn't be surprised if there are
payment methods in the Asian market that are really important there but we/I
don't know about.
The neat thing about Stripe is that it offers so many. People were mentioning
Swish here the other day, seems Stripe has it too. The way Stripe does it - offer
everything and funnel it all into one account, acting as a total black box to
the account owner, is awesome IMO. And probably the way forward.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2024 12:53 | | Subject: | Re: Ideal as a payment method | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
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Agreed with everything - but why would BrickLink better implement a specific
Country payment method, than more generic other one(s)?
And IIRC, Ideal is possible with Stripe? Or something has to be set up by BrickLink
to make it accepted? As I said in another post...
But I can't deny it'd be easier for you guys, no problem with that.
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Yeah, if the one you mentioned is worth adding too (considering how many people
use it vs what it'd cost to implement), then definitely. I think as a rule
of thumb, in each country Bricklink does business, it should just offer the #1
payment method (or maybe top 3 payment methods if possible) that people expect
to find when they go online shopping. Wouldn't be surprised if there are
payment methods in the Asian market that are really important there but we/I
don't know about.
The neat thing about Stripe is that it offers so many. People were mentioning
Swish here the other day, seems Stripe has it too. The way Stripe does it - offer
everything and funnel it all into one account, acting as a total black box to
the account owner, is awesome IMO. And probably the way forward.
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Yep, 100% agree with this; Stripe is VERY conveniently accepting many payment
methods.
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