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 Author: rankster View Messages Posted By rankster
 Posted: Feb 20, 2023 04:54
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I've just realised by receiving an order from a UK buyer a few days ago that
the 20% VAT is now deducted from the grand total and not added to it as before.
Since when the UK import VAT on orders charged the opposite way as it was before?!
This way we, sellers lose 20% on UK orders which everyone decides to be good
or bad for their business practices and strategies etc. But my main concern about
this is the lack of communication by BrickLink, again! How on Earth you implement
such an update without letting everyone know about it?! There might be info about
it on the Forums but if I'm not checking it 24/7 I won't be informed
about and that's it? Seriously...
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  I've just realised by receiving an order from a UK buyer a few days ago that
the 20% VAT is now deducted from the grand total and not added to it as before.
Since when the UK import VAT on orders charged the opposite way as it was before?!
This way we, sellers lose 20% on UK orders which everyone decides to be good
or bad for their business practices and strategies etc. But my main concern about
this is the lack of communication by BrickLink, again! How on Earth you implement
such an update without letting everyone know about it?! There might be info about
it on the Forums but if I'm not checking it 24/7 I won't be informed
about and that's it? Seriously...

Sounds like it's time for me to order from your store!!!
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 Posted: Feb 20, 2023 05:59
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In Taxes, iprice writes:
  Sounds like it's time for me to order from your store!!!

Haha I just removed UK from my ship to list, sorry :/ Since Brexit I lost 95%
of my UK sales while before UK was in my top 3 countries.
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  I've just realised by receiving an order from a UK buyer a few days ago that
the 20% VAT is now deducted from the grand total and not added to it as before.

Was the order over £135? If so, then VAT will not and must not be collected by
Bricklink. Your buyer will have to pay the VAT plus a further collection fee
when they receive it.

  Since when the UK import VAT on orders charged the opposite way as it was before?!

It hasn't.
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In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
  Was the order over £135? If so, then VAT will not and must not be collected by
Bricklink. Your buyer will have to pay the VAT plus a further collection fee
when they receive it.

No it wasn't.

  
  Since when the UK import VAT on orders charged the opposite way as it was before?!

It hasn't.

It has changed, check the pics below. The first one was placed on Jan 12, the
other was placed on Feb 17.
 


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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  It has changed, check the pics below. The first one was placed on Jan 12, the
other was placed on Feb 17.

With the original calculation methodology the latest order should have been EUR
32,40 x 1,20 = EUR 38,88

But now the net amount became the gross amount so intead of EUR 32,40 only EUR
27 will stay in my pocket...
 Author: iprice View Messages Posted By iprice
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
  Was the order over £135? If so, then VAT will not and must not be collected by
Bricklink. Your buyer will have to pay the VAT plus a further collection fee
when they receive it.

No it wasn't.

  
  Since when the UK import VAT on orders charged the opposite way as it was before?!

It hasn't.

It has changed, check the pics below. The first one was placed on Jan 12, the
other was placed on Feb 17.

VAT is included in the sale and the shipping

"Order Total: 21.00 INCL VAT"
"Shipping: 10.00 INCL VAT"

VAT is included by the look of things. At the end, it just quotes how much total
VAT was included.

Unless I'm reading it wrong/missing something. Dunno.
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In Taxes, iprice writes:
  VAT is included in the sale and the shipping

"Order Total: 21.00 INCL VAT"
"Shipping: 10.00 INCL VAT"

VAT is included by the look of things. At the end, it just quotes how much total
VAT was included.

Unless I'm reading it wrong/missing something. Dunno.

That's the issue... VAT was ADDED on top of my prices before for UK order,
now they are INCLUDED in my prices.
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  In Taxes, iprice writes:
  VAT is included in the sale and the shipping

"Order Total: 21.00 INCL VAT"
"Shipping: 10.00 INCL VAT"

VAT is included by the look of things. At the end, it just quotes how much total
VAT was included.

Unless I'm reading it wrong/missing something. Dunno.

That's the issue... VAT was ADDED on top of my prices before for UK order,
now they are INCLUDED in my prices.

What's the issue? Included at the start or the end - you're not losing
anything. It's all correct.
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In Taxes, iprice writes:
  What's the issue? Included at the start or the end - you're not losing
anything. It's all correct.

You are reading it wrong. Before the change if a UK buyer bought something for
EUR 21 from my store they paid EUR 21 x 1,20 = EUR 25,20 for it. NOW the VAT
is already INCLUDED in my price of EUR 21 so they pay EUR 21 and BL takes EUR
3,50 away from the transaction so only EUR 17,50 will stay in my pocket instead
of EUR 21.
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
  Was the order over £135? If so, then VAT will not and must not be collected by
Bricklink. Your buyer will have to pay the VAT plus a further collection fee
when they receive it.

No it wasn't.

  
  Since when the UK import VAT on orders charged the opposite way as it was before?!

It hasn't.

It has changed, check the pics below. The first one was placed on Jan 12, the
other was placed on Feb 17.

They both look to have calculated the VAT perfectly correctly based on the totals
shown in the orders. They are just different ways of displaying it, either with
or without VAT in the breakdown.

In the second order, what was bought? Was it something available to EU buyers
for 17.50 Eur (so 17.50 Eur + VAT for UK buyers), or was it 21.00 Euro to EU
buyers too?
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In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
  They both look to have calculated the VAT perfectly correctly based on the totals
shown in the orders. They are just different ways of displaying it, either with
or without VAT in the breakdown.

As said VAT was ADDED on top of my prices before for UK orders,
now they are INCLUDED in my prices so something changed.

  
In the second order, what was bought? Was it something available to EU buyers
for 17.50 Eur (so 17.50 Eur + VAT for UK buyers), or was it 21.00 Euro to EU
buyers too?

All EU buyers see EUR 21 price for that item. All UK buyers saw EUR 21 price
for that item as well but at the checkout 20% UK VAT was ADDED on top of that
price, now that 20% is INCLUDED is the EUR 21.
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
  They both look to have calculated the VAT perfectly correctly based on the totals
shown in the orders. They are just different ways of displaying it, either with
or without VAT in the breakdown.

As said VAT was ADDED on top of my prices before for UK orders,
now they are INCLUDED in my prices so something changed.

  
In the second order, what was bought? Was it something available to EU buyers
for 17.50 Eur (so 17.50 Eur + VAT for UK buyers), or was it 21.00 Euro to EU
buyers too?

All EU buyers see EUR 21 price for that item. All UK buyers saw EUR 21 price
for that item as well but at the checkout 20% UK VAT was ADDED on top of that
price, now that 20% is INCLUDED is the EUR 21.


You are VAT registered in Austria, aren't you? So a 21 Euro item should have
your VAT removed and then UK VAT added on.


Your terms say this ... Prices shown to buyers located inside the EU include
VAT (at buyer's VAT rate), outside the EU exclude VAT.

Prices shown to buyers located in Austria exclude VAT.


Is that correct? Shouldn't you be showing VAT inclusive prices to Austrian
customers (I thought that was an EU regulation, as you are primarily selling
to customers not businesses).

Austria's VAT rate is 20%, same as UK. So I imagine the prices you are showing
do include Austrian VAT, so the UK prices are the same and include UK
VAT (at the same 20% rate).
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In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
  You are VAT registered in Austria, aren't you? So a 21 Euro item should have
your VAT removed and then UK VAT added on.

No, I'm VAT exempt in Austria, but OSS registered in the EU. So an Austrian
buyer and a German see the same prices but AT ones are excl. VAT, DE ones are
incl. VAT. So more money stays in my pocket after AT orders.
  

Your terms say this ... Prices shown to buyers located inside the EU include
VAT (at buyer's VAT rate), outside the EU exclude VAT.

Prices shown to buyers located in Austria exclude VAT.


Is that correct? Shouldn't you be showing VAT inclusive prices to Austrian
customers (I thought that was an EU regulation, as you are primarily selling
to customers not businesses).

I can be VAT exempt in my own country if staying below a certain treshold.
  
Austria's VAT rate is 20%, same as UK. So I imagine the prices you are showing
do include Austrian VAT, so the UK prices are the same and include UK
VAT (at the same 20% rate).
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
  You are VAT registered in Austria, aren't you? So a 21 Euro item should have
your VAT removed and then UK VAT added on.

No, I'm VAT exempt in Austria, but OSS registered in the EU. So an Austrian
buyer and a German see the same prices but AT ones are excl. VAT, DE ones are
incl. VAT. So more money stays in my pocket after AT orders.

So it is not that UK orders are costing you more, but Austrian ones are costing
you less than all others?
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In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
  So it is not that UK orders are costing you more, but Austrian ones are costing
you less than all others?

In the perspective of VAT, AT and UK orders cost me the same. I'm loosing
19-27% on EU orders though.
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  I've just realised by receiving an order from a UK buyer a few days ago that
the 20% VAT is now deducted from the grand total and not added to it as before.
Since when the UK import VAT on orders charged the opposite way as it was before?!
This way we, sellers lose 20% on UK orders which everyone decides to be good
or bad for their business practices and strategies etc. But my main concern about
this is the lack of communication by BrickLink, again! How on Earth you implement
such an update without letting everyone know about it?! There might be info about
it on the Forums but if I'm not checking it 24/7 I won't be informed
about and that's it? Seriously...


Maybe the order is above £135/~€150 and what you see "deducted" is the
23% Austrian VAT?

(Buyers outside UE see items without VAT.)

I believe nothing has changed. I've just received 2 orders from UK (one above,
another below said threshold) and everything is looking fine.
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In Taxes, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  Maybe the order is above £135/~€150 and what you see "deducted" is the
23% Austrian VAT?

First of all it's not above £135/€150 so BL collects VAT. Secondly Austrian
VAT rate it 20%.

  
(Buyers outside UE see items without VAT.)

I believe nothing has changed. I've just received 2 orders from UK (one above,
another below said threshold) and everything is looking fine.
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  In Taxes, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  Maybe the order is above £135/~€150 and what you see "deducted" is the
23% Austrian VAT?

First of all it's not above £135/€150 so BL collects VAT. Secondly Austrian
VAT rate it 20%.


Yes, of course, I see 23% VAT included but that's the Portuguese VAT.

So, this item:

https://store.bricklink.com/rankster?p=rankster#/shop?o={%22q%22:%2240557%22,%22pgSize%22:100,%22showHomeItems%22:0}

I see at price 19.85 EUR

What does an UK buyer see?





  
  
(Buyers outside UE see items without VAT.)

I believe nothing has changed. I've just received 2 orders from UK (one above,
another below said threshold) and everything is looking fine.
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In Taxes, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  Yes, of course, I see 23% VAT included but that's the Portuguese VAT.

So, this item:

https://store.bricklink.com/rankster?p=rankster#/shop?o={%22q%22:%2240557%22,%22pgSize%22:100,%22showHomeItems%22:0}

I see at price 19.85 EUR

What does an UK buyer see?

UK buyers should also see EUR 19.85 but at the checkout 20% should be ADDED to
it, at least it worked like that before. But now they see EUR 19.85 but the VAT
is ALREADY INCLUDED in that price.
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  In Taxes, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  Yes, of course, I see 23% VAT included but that's the Portuguese VAT.

So, this item:

https://store.bricklink.com/rankster?p=rankster#/shop?o={%22q%22:%2240557%22,%22pgSize%22:100,%22showHomeItems%22:0}

I see at price 19.85 EUR

What does an UK buyer see?

UK buyers should also see EUR 19.85 but at the checkout 20% should be ADDED to
it, at least it worked like that before. But now they see EUR 19.85 but the VAT
is ALREADY INCLUDED in that price.

Shouldn't they see 19.85 minus 20% Austrian VAT, thus 16.54 and in the end
paying 16.54 + 20% UK VAT, hence 19.85 EUR?
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In Taxes, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  Shouldn't they see 19.85 minus 20% Austrian VAT, thus 16.54 and in the end
paying 16.54 + 20% UK VAT, hence 19.85 EUR?

No because I'm VAT exempt in Austria. All my UK orders worked like that before,
20% UK VAT was always added on top of my prices.
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  In Taxes, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  Shouldn't they see 19.85 minus 20% Austrian VAT, thus 16.54 and in the end
paying 16.54 + 20% UK VAT, hence 19.85 EUR?

No because I'm VAT exempt in Austria. All my UK orders worked like that before,
20% UK VAT was always added on top of my prices.

Maybe something changed in your store settings? Maybe UK buyers see 16.54 for
this item? Let's hear from them.
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In Taxes, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  Maybe something changed in your store settings? Maybe UK buyers see 16.54 for
this item? Let's hear from them.

Nothing changed in my settings. UK buyers should see my base prices as net prices
and VAT should be added on top of that. It was confirmed as below by a UK member.
According to the pic below it sees OK so I don't get it how it happened with
the order from a few days ago...
 
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In Taxes, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  In Taxes, rankster writes:
  In Taxes, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  Maybe the order is above £135/~€150 and what you see "deducted" is the
23% Austrian VAT?

First of all it's not above £135/€150 so BL collects VAT. Secondly Austrian
VAT rate it 20%.


Yes, of course, I see 23% VAT included but that's the Portuguese VAT.

So, this item:

https://store.bricklink.com/rankster?p=rankster#/shop?o={%22q%22:%2240557%22,%22pgSize%22:100,%22showHomeItems%22:0}

I see at price 19.85 EUR

What does an UK buyer see?


It enters the cart at 19.85 Euro but we cannot tell if it includes VAT or not
as they no longer ship to the UK and so the cart is not valid / cannot be viewed
properly. Just a note about buying from stores that will ship to the UK or changing
address.
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In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
  It enters the cart at 19.85 Euro but we cannot tell if it includes VAT or not
as they no longer ship to the UK and so the cart is not valid / cannot be viewed
properly. Just a note about buying from stores that will ship to the UK or changing
address.

It should VAT excl. It turned out that the confusion was due to the order was
placed using Northern Ireland address which is still part of the EU.
 Author: rankster View Messages Posted By rankster
 Posted: Feb 20, 2023 06:42
 Subject: Re: UK VAT calculation methodology change
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I also realised just now that I didn't received the usual customs documentation
issued by BrickLink while it was paid Onsite.
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  I also realised just now that I didn't received the usual customs documentation
issued by BrickLink while it was paid Onsite.

There is no "Download VAT invoice" button at the order page either.
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  In Taxes, rankster writes:
  I also realised just now that I didn't received the usual customs documentation
issued by BrickLink while it was paid Onsite.

There is no "Download VAT invoice" button at the order page either.

Check the shipping address, that order probably is going to North Ireland, and
that is considered as a sale inside the EU with VAT included in your prices.
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In Taxes, Stellar writes:
  Check the shipping address, that order probably is going to North Ireland, and
that is considered as a sale inside the EU with VAT included in your prices.

Wow that could be the reason, it's the city of Beragh which is in Northern
Ireland, tricky one. Thanks!
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In Taxes, rankster writes:
  In Taxes, Stellar writes:
  Check the shipping address, that order probably is going to North Ireland, and
that is considered as a sale inside the EU with VAT included in your prices.

Wow that could be the reason, it's the city of Beragh which is in Northern
Ireland, tricky one. Thanks!


That will be it. NI is still partly in and partly out of EU, it is still a real
mess.
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In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
  In Taxes, rankster writes:
  In Taxes, Stellar writes:
  Check the shipping address, that order probably is going to North Ireland, and
that is considered as a sale inside the EU with VAT included in your prices.

Wow that could be the reason, it's the city of Beragh which is in Northern
Ireland, tricky one. Thanks!


That will be it. NI is still partly in and partly out of EU, it is still a real
mess.

Wow.Really?

I assumed it would be the Republic of Ireland still in EU and any address with
a UK postcode, isn't.

i.e. it's a Northern Ireland address, which would have the same rules as
the rest of the UK.

And with Beragh being in the North, we certainly do have a right royal mess!!

... just MyTwoPence
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In Taxes, MyTwoPence writes:
  […]
  That will be it. NI is still partly in and partly out of EU, it is still a real
mess.

Wow.Really? […]

It’s called the Norther Ireland Protocol and it’s due to the Good Friday Agreement
of 1998.  The situation was also referred to as the Irish Backstop and was the
main problem of the Brexit negociations.

Simplified:
On the one hand, Brexit means there’s now a border (more specifically controls
and customs) between UK and EU.  On the other hand, there can be no border between
Eire and NI (Good Friday Agreement).  The solution of having a border between
NI and the rest of UK is, well, “complicated.”
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In Taxes, MyTwoPence writes:
  In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
  In Taxes, rankster writes:
  In Taxes, Stellar writes:
  Check the shipping address, that order probably is going to North Ireland, and
that is considered as a sale inside the EU with VAT included in your prices.

Wow that could be the reason, it's the city of Beragh which is in Northern
Ireland, tricky one. Thanks!


That will be it. NI is still partly in and partly out of EU, it is still a real
mess.

Wow.Really?

I assumed it would be the Republic of Ireland still in EU and any address with
a UK postcode, isn't.

i.e. it's a Northern Ireland address, which would have the same rules as
the rest of the UK.

And with Beragh being in the North, we certainly do have a right royal mess!!

... just MyTwoPence


NI is partly 'in' (the EU) if the goods are sent from the EU and partly
'out' if they are send from the UK.

Of course there is a rather large tax issue if goods are sent from either UK
or EU into NI and then moved on to the EU or UK respectively. Hence the ongoing
(and current again) talks about this.
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  NI is partly 'in' (the EU) if the goods are sent from the EU and partly
'out' if they are send from the UK.

Of course there is a rather large tax issue if goods are sent from either UK
or EU into NI and then moved on to the EU or UK respectively. Hence the ongoing
(and current again) talks about this.

One can probably tell how confused I still am from my original message. I can't
even figure myself what I was trying to say earlier!

Thanks for nearly clearing it up though you two that's got to be the
most precise answer to the the situation I've come across since Brexit -
short, sweet, and clear for laymen like me

One more question to know if I understand it fully : should I be looking at property
prices / rent in Northern Ireland? Our sales to the EU have fallen off them great
white cliffs down south. We miss you

... just MyTwoPence
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  Our sales to the EU have fallen off them great white cliffs down south. We miss you

We miss you too - but you divorced