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| | | Author: | SDF_Bricks  | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 11:51 | | Subject: | Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 146 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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| | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 11:53 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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They have to pay VAT, which BrickLink will automatically collect if the value
is under 150 euro.
I don't know how UPS works in Europe but in Canada they have very high brokerage
fees in addition to customs fees (that is, they charge you an additional fee
for acting as the broker in paying customs). I would avoid using them for international
packages.
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| | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 11:54 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 11:56 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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Yes.
Duty above €150. If it’s like France, it should be around 2-3%.
AND VAT on the grand total (so on duty too, taxing taxes…). Italian VAT is 22%.
AND a brokerage fee to UPS.
But the buyer should have known that before ordering….
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| | | | | Author: | SDF_Bricks | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 11:58 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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20% is a HUGE markup ... this will kill foreign trade 
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 12:03 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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20% is a HUGE markup ... this will kill foreign trade
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I mean I think it’s been that tax rate for a long time no matter where they buy
from
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| | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 12:04 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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20% is a HUGE markup ... this will kill foreign trade
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It's not a new thing
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 12:06 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
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20% is a HUGE markup ... this will kill foreign trade
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It has been this way for decades (it’s a requirement to enter EEC/EU).
Before the IOSS scheme of 2021, it was even more expensive as you had to pay
the brokerage fee for packages between €22 and €150 too.
Thas is,
before 2021: 0-22 = free, 22-150 = VAT + fee, 150+ = duty + VAT + fee
now: 0-150 = VAT, no fee, 150+ = duty + VAT + fee
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 12:08 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
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20% is a HUGE markup ... this will kill foreign trade
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It has been this way for decades (it’s a requirement to enter EEC/EU).
Before the IOSS scheme of 2021, it was even more expensive as you had to pay
the brokerage fee for packages between €22 and €150 too.
Thas is,
before 2021: 0-22 = free, 22-150 = VAT + fee, 150+ = duty + VAT + fee
now: 0-150 = VAT, no fee, 150+ = duty + VAT + fee
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What can be worse about it now is that buyers can be double-charged for VAT if
the IOSS number isn't sent correctly by the seller or received correctly
by the destination country
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 12:18 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, peregrinator writes:
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What can be worse about it now is that buyers can be double-charged for VAT if
the IOSS number isn't sent correctly by the seller or received correctly
by the destination country
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Ah, the joys of red tape 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 12:44 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Selling, peregrinator writes:
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What can be worse about it now is that buyers can be double-charged for VAT if
the IOSS number isn't sent correctly by the seller or received correctly
by the destination country
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Ah, the joys of red tape
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This one?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 14:04 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, hpoort writes:
| | In Selling, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Selling, peregrinator writes:
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What can be worse about it now is that buyers can be double-charged for VAT if
the IOSS number isn't sent correctly by the seller or received correctly
by the destination country
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Ah, the joys of red tape
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This one?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 17:33 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, peregrinator writes:
| | In Selling, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
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20% is a HUGE markup ... this will kill foreign trade
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It has been this way for decades (it’s a requirement to enter EEC/EU).
Before the IOSS scheme of 2021, it was even more expensive as you had to pay
the brokerage fee for packages between €22 and €150 too.
Thas is,
before 2021: 0-22 = free, 22-150 = VAT + fee, 150+ = duty + VAT + fee
now: 0-150 = VAT, no fee, 150+ = duty + VAT + fee
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What can be worse about it now is that buyers can be double-charged for VAT if
the IOSS number isn't sent correctly by the seller or received correctly
by the destination country
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On the positive side for this one, the buyer won't have paid it via bricklink.
The negative side, they didn't realise how much it will add on to their purchase
price.
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 18:49 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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20% is a HUGE markup ... this will kill foreign trade
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Last time we had a baby, gf (and me) spent 3 days in an hospital, she had every
care possible, and everything was 100% free. Last time my daughter was at school
or unversity(ies), it was (basically) free.
There's no free lunch 
PS: it's not a political subject, just to explain the poster where those
taxes here are (supposed - but it's another problem) to go.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 18:57 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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20% is a HUGE markup ... this will kill foreign trade
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Last time we had a baby, gf (and me) spent 3 days in an hospital, she had every
care possible, and everything was 100% free. Last time my daughter was at school
or unversity(ies), it was (basically) free.
There's no free lunch
PS: it's not a political subject, just to explain the poster where those
taxes here are (supposed - but it's another problem) to go.
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yup and you start paying for it once your free trial in the country ends when
you turn 18 or so or if you start making money younger
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| | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 18:39 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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Italy does have customs, such as greeting close friends with a light kiss on
either cheek.
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 18:43 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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Italy does have customs, such as greeting close friends with a light kiss on
either cheek.
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Yes, but those are customized customs!
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| | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 19:56 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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Italy does have customs, such as greeting close friends with a light kiss on
either cheek.
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There is also the feast of the seven fishes, but an Italian friend of mine tells
me that's actually an Italian-American custom
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SDF_Bricks | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 20:12 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, peregrinator writes:
| | In Selling, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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Italy does have customs, such as greeting close friends with a light kiss on
either cheek.
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There is also the feast of the seven fishes, but an Italian friend of mine tells
me that's actually an Italian-American custom
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Customs ... coutumes ... costumes ... I wonder if all have the same 'root'
???
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 20:33 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Selling, peregrinator writes:
| | In Selling, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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Italy does have customs, such as greeting close friends with a light kiss on
either cheek.
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There is also the feast of the seven fishes, but an Italian friend of mine tells
me that's actually an Italian-American custom
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Customs ... coutumes ... costumes ... I wonder if all have the same 'root'
???
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Bingo!
Customs: late Middle English: originally in the singular, denoting a customary
due paid to a ruler, later duty levied on goods on their way to market.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 22, 2022 20:42 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, peregrinator writes:
| | There is also the feast of the seven fishes, but an Italian friend of mine tells
me that's actually an Italian-American custom
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Sounds like a delicious custom
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| | | | | Author: | SDF_Bricks | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 10:06 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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I just got a text from UPS this morning to pay the duty fees. So, to recap, here
is what I have:
1. Purchase value: $320
2. Shipping: $70
3. Insured Value: $400 (next available same item on Bricklink)
4. VAT: 3.30 Euros
5. Brokerage: 15.00 Euros
6. Government Charges: 107.45 Euros
Total Due: 125.75 Euros
This is totally ludicrous ... The buyer is not too happy, and neither am I.
Any way around this?
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| | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 10:16 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I just got a text from UPS this morning to pay the duty fees. So, to recap, here
is what I have:
1. Purchase value: $320
2. Shipping: $70
3. Insured Value: $400 (next available same item on Bricklink)
4. VAT: 3.30 Euros
5. Brokerage: 15.00 Euros
6. Government Charges: 107.45 Euros
Total Due: 125.75 Euros
This is totally ludicrous ... The buyer is not too happy, and neither am I.
Any way around this?
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I guess you got a text because you used your phone number and not the buyer's
when filling out the customs form? The customs fees are the buyer's responsibility.
If I were in your shoes I would offer to pay the brokerage fee and VAT on the
brokerage (that's the VAT charge you see above - 22% of 15 euro is 3.30).
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 11:30 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
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1. Purchase value: $320
2. Shipping: $70
3. Insured Value: $400 (next available same item on Bricklink)
4. VAT: 3.30 Euros
5. Brokerage: 15.00 Euros
6. Government Charges: 107.45 Euros
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Gouvernment charges = (value + shipping) * duty * VAT.
Those, the buyer should have known about.
(Actually they should have known about everything, but, well, if you want to
be as nice as peregrinator….)
a. If it’s on (1+2), that’s around 29.2% (depends on the conversion rate).
So 5.9% duty & 22% VAT.
b. If it’s on (3+2), it’s around 24.2%.
So 1.8% of duty and 22% VAT.
I think (b) is what they took. (If you declare different values, they obviously
take the highest!)
| | Total Due: 125.75 Euros
This is totally ludicrous ... The buyer is not too happy, and neither am I.
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Ignorance of the law….
The buyer refuses the package and it gets shipped back to you… at your costs
(don’t know if UPS won’t charge you the brokerage fee still), or destroyed.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 11:32 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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I just got a text from UPS this morning to pay the duty fees. So, to recap, here
is what I have:
1. Purchase value: $320
2. Shipping: $70
3. Insured Value: $400 (next available same item on Bricklink)
4. VAT: 3.30 Euros
5. Brokerage: 15.00 Euros
6. Government Charges: 107.45 Euros
Total Due: 125.75 Euros
This is totally ludicrous ... The buyer is not too happy, and neither am I.
Any way around this?
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While the buyer is responsible for knowing about it and paying them, you have
cost them about an extra 17 euros because you inflated the value. They might
well refuse it because of that or want compensation from you. You should have
insured it for 320 euro, the price paid.
I imagine their next step is to refuse the parcel, at which point it might be
returned to you if the return shipping address is clear, or destroyed if not.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 11:40 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | While the buyer is responsible for knowing about it and paying them, you have
cost them about an extra 17 euros because you inflated the value. They might
well refuse it because of that or want compensation from you. You should have
insured it for 320 euro, the price paid.
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Ah, yes, if $400 was written on the customs form instead of $320, then the seller
is responsible for the higher fees there and should refund the buyer for that
at the very least.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SDF_Bricks | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 21:47 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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I just got a text from UPS this morning to pay the duty fees. So, to recap, here
is what I have:
1. Purchase value: $320
2. Shipping: $70
3. Insured Value: $400 (next available same item on Bricklink)
4. VAT: 3.30 Euros
5. Brokerage: 15.00 Euros
6. Government Charges: 107.45 Euros
Total Due: 125.75 Euros
This is totally ludicrous ... The buyer is not too happy, and neither am I.
Any way around this?
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While the buyer is responsible for knowing about it and paying them, you have
cost them about an extra 17 euros because you inflated the value. They might
well refuse it because of that or want compensation from you. You should have
insured it for 320 euro, the price paid.
I imagine their next step is to refuse the parcel, at which point it might be
returned to you if the return shipping address is clear, or destroyed if not.
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I did NOT inflate the value. My item was undervalued for quick sale. The same
item on Bricklink sells for about $400. My experience with insurance is if anything
goes wrong, they reimburse you the actual value. I simple added the cost of shipping,
which typically. Nothing crazy or non-legit here. So, if everything goes wrong
and they lose the package they will reimburse me only the value ... who's
responsible for shipping charges???
I took an oversear trip a while back and USAir lost my luggage ... they reimbursed
only yhr cost of the lost items. I had to pay an extra $150 for the extra luggage,
but they never reimbursed me for that. Live and learn ... and please do not use
such 'assuming' words such as 'inflated' because obviously my
persepective is very different than yours!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Dec 24, 2022 10:30 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
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I did NOT inflate the value. My item was undervalued for quick sale. The same
item on Bricklink sells for about $400. My experience with insurance is if anything
goes wrong, they reimburse you the actual value. I simple added the cost of shipping,
which typically. Nothing crazy or non-legit here. So, if everything goes wrong
and they lose the package they will reimburse me only the value ... who's
responsible for shipping charges???
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Ah, no I don’t think so. The value of the items in the order is what the buyer
paid for them. The USPS will only refund what is proven on a paid invoice and
not any additional shipping charges. That is clearly stated in the terms of their
insurance. The customs form you ‘signed’ also affirms that the information was
correct.
One could say if you sold an item for $320, it was lost, and you were reimbursed
at $400 that would be dishonest.
Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 11:33 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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I just got a text from UPS this morning to pay the duty fees. So, to recap, here
is what I have:
1. Purchase value: $320
2. Shipping: $70
3. Insured Value: $400 (next available same item on Bricklink)
4. VAT: 3.30 Euros
5. Brokerage: 15.00 Euros
6. Government Charges: 107.45 Euros
Total Due: 125.75 Euros
This is totally ludicrous ... The buyer is not too happy, and neither am I.
Any way around this?
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It seems pretty normal for customs fees. You are only responsible for the postage
and for providing the correct documentation. I don't know if the process
is any more or less expensive with UPS via USPS.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 11:36 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, jennnifer writes:
| | It seems pretty normal for customs fees. You are only responsible for the postage
and for providing the correct documentation. I don't know if the process
is any more or less expensive with UPS via USPS.
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UPS is notorious for their brokerage fees
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 11:51 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, jennnifer writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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I just got a text from UPS this morning to pay the duty fees. So, to recap, here
is what I have:
1. Purchase value: $320
2. Shipping: $70
3. Insured Value: $400 (next available same item on Bricklink)
4. VAT: 3.30 Euros
5. Brokerage: 15.00 Euros
6. Government Charges: 107.45 Euros
Total Due: 125.75 Euros
This is totally ludicrous ... The buyer is not too happy, and neither am I.
Any way around this?
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It seems pretty normal for customs fees.
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Yup I had to do a double take cause I though I was looking at the start import
cost for a $20 thing from the states into Canada
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and for providing the correct documentation. I don't know if the process
is any more or less expensive with UPS via USPS.
Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 12:40 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| | | This is totally ludicrous ... The buyer is not too happy, and neither am I.
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This is fully and well known for 30, 40, 50 years - sincerely I don't know
the date.
The buyer argument "I didn't know" could be either bad faith, or
he's a teenager maybe?
Maybe he's not enough educated, but then I wonder how he'd be able (and
brave enough) to order 400$ Set in another Country and Continent...
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 12:43 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | This is totally ludicrous ... The buyer is not too happy, and neither am I.
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This is fully and well known for 30, 40, 50 years - sincerely I don't know
the date.
The buyer argument "I didn't know" could be either bad faith, or
he's a teenager maybe?
Maybe he's not enough educated, but then I wonder how he'd be able (and
brave enough) to order 400$ Set in another Country and Continent...
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Kids these days have no fear it’s crazy.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 13:28 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | This is totally ludicrous ... The buyer is not too happy, and neither am I.
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This is fully and well known for 30, 40, 50 years - sincerely I don't know
the date.
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France 1954 (first to do it, yeah France!)
For any EU country (and UK): at least from their entry in EU (or EEC at the time).
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| | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 14:14 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| You can check the calc here:
https://www.simplyduty.com/import-calculator/
Looks like most of the government charges is the 22% VAT on the original order.
There might be an additional UPS fee buried in the Government Charges amount
on top of the brokerage fee line item.
Order will be held in customs until someone pays or refuses delivery. Order will
then be destroyed or returned to you, not sure what Italy does.
Never use UPS for international shipments. They have a tidy racket charging fees
for acting as your "broker".
In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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I just got a text from UPS this morning to pay the duty fees. So, to recap, here
is what I have:
1. Purchase value: $320
2. Shipping: $70
3. Insured Value: $400 (next available same item on Bricklink)
4. VAT: 3.30 Euros
5. Brokerage: 15.00 Euros
6. Government Charges: 107.45 Euros
Total Due: 125.75 Euros
This is totally ludicrous ... The buyer is not too happy, and neither am I.
Any way around this?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SDF_Bricks | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 21:52 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, zorbanj writes:
| | You can check the calc here:
https://www.simplyduty.com/import-calculator/
Looks like most of the government charges is the 22% VAT on the original order.
There might be an additional UPS fee buried in the Government Charges amount
on top of the brokerage fee line item.
Order will be held in customs until someone pays or refuses delivery. Order will
then be destroyed or returned to you, not sure what Italy does.
Never use UPS for international shipments. They have a tidy racket charging fees
for acting as your "broker".
In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I sold an item to a customer in Italy, and now UPS is asking him to provide a
lot of documentation, and naturally he is concerned if he has to pay customs.
The item's list value is $400 (also on insurance).
DO European buyers need to pay customs for goods purchased overseas?
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I just got a text from UPS this morning to pay the duty fees. So, to recap, here
is what I have:
1. Purchase value: $320
2. Shipping: $70
3. Insured Value: $400 (next available same item on Bricklink)
4. VAT: 3.30 Euros
5. Brokerage: 15.00 Euros
6. Government Charges: 107.45 Euros
Total Due: 125.75 Euros
This is totally ludicrous ... The buyer is not too happy, and neither am I.
Any way around this?
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If I understand this correctly then, international trade by mere individuals
is 'discouraged' by overcharging us ... while huge corporations have
good lawyers and loopholes to avoid all of this.
I wonder if TLG pays a 22% fee on all sets they import in the US ... hmmm ...
time to start my own company, any brave souls willing to join?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2022 22:28 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | I wonder if TLG pays a 22% fee on all sets they import in the US ... hmmm ...
time to start my own company, any brave souls willing to join?
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They are not paying 22% but they are definitely paying customs fees because of
the volume they're importing - they might even have to pay dock fees. Of
course TLG isn't the "buyer" in this case.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Dec 24, 2022 03:37 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| | | I wonder if TLG pays a 22% fee on all sets they import in the US ...
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Why would they need to? The 22% is the VAT rate in Italy. It is paid by consumer
when they purchase an item where VAT is due. USA customers would have to pay
any taxes they must pay by law, such as a sales tax.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 24, 2022 09:04 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | If I understand this correctly then, international trade by mere individuals
is 'discouraged' by overcharging us ... while huge corporations have
good lawyers and loopholes to avoid all of this.
I wonder if TLG pays a 22% fee on all sets they import in the US ... hmmm ...
time to start my own company, any brave souls willing to join?
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The United States does have customs fees, but there is a certain threshold below
which customs fees do not apply. So, individuals generally do not need to worry
about paying customs fees, but large corporations such as the LEGO Group definitely
do.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Dec 24, 2022 10:21 | | Subject: | Re: Customs in Italy? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, wildchicken13 writes:
| | The United States does have customs fees, but there is a certain threshold below
which customs fees do not apply. So, individuals generally do not need to worry
about paying customs fees, but large corporations such as the LEGO Group definitely
do.
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Ultimately the consumer will pay in any case - if a corporation has to pay fees
and taxes on their goods those will be passed on to the consumer in the form
of higher prices.
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USA, Illinois
Canada, Ontario
France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
Netherlands, Groningen
United Kingdom, England
