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| | | Author: | MINLEGO  | | Posted: | Nov 24, 2022 08:46 | | Subject: | Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 138 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| Hello, i'm working on a universal and relatively cheap lego sorter (made
out of lego apart from a belt and the "tank"),and i need some opinions of pro
part seller on the things i will explains.
(I think i will later sell it in whatever website) Ah and my english probably
isn't so good, it's because i'm french. So, first, the sorter will
consist of a tank, place where you put the lego you want to be sorted, leading
into a belt, another belt, two vibrating plates to separate the legos, and finally
a brite room which have a smartphone (not included by the way) on top of it with
an app that recongnize the parts using an AI, nothing too crasy here, but we've
already used two motor and a hub. And i just thought that someone could steal
my idea so all you need to know for the rest is that you can use whatever box
you want for stocking the part (lego advent calender box to 20 by 20 by 5 cm
plastic box), and you can also use the number of box you want (within the bounds
of decency which is two 60m box line or 3072 diferent category but keep in mind
that the more category you add, the more slower it is, and the more part you
need to sort simultaneously).
If you are interested, please fill out the form, which I find more practical.
https://forms.gle/pZrpjjpQUUXusHsY7
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Nov 24, 2022 12:02 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| | | If you are interested, please fill out the form, which I find more practical.
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Frankly?
There are tens of those projects to be seen on Youtube; some ar already advanced,
but still not usable.
What you're showing is a general idea and a price.
Unfortunately, it's very very more complicated than this, and your prices
are way way off.
If you wish to sell 500$ a device that can differentiate bricks from technic
axles, slowly, why would anyone buy it when they can do it far faster and for
free?
Factory sorting machines are more around 100K or 1M$ worth, and they are fast.
I don't support collecting this kind of form with data especially for such
a vague project.
Maybe try to build and use one, and in a couple of years open a kickstarter with
real/actual results?
Wishing you the best!
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| | | | | | | Author: | MINLEGO | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2022 06:17 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | If you are interested, please fill out the form, which I find more practical.
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Frankly?
There are tens of those projects to be seen on Youtube; some ar already advanced,
but still not usable.
What you're showing is a general idea and a price.
Unfortunately, it's very very more complicated than this, and your prices
are way way off.
If you wish to sell 500$ a device that can differentiate bricks from technic
axles, slowly, why would anyone buy it when they can do it far faster and for
free?
Factory sorting machines are more around 100K or 1M$ worth, and they are fast.
I don't support collecting this kind of form with data especially for such
a vague project.
Maybe try to build and use one, and in a couple of years open a kickstarter with
real/actual results?
Wishing you the best!
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The point of the sorter is not realy brick from technic axle but more part 4073
from 85861 for example, and the point of this is that they can run it overnight
and have all your 3000 bricks perfectly sorted in 80 category that you've
setup earlier (manualy or from bricklink category for example).
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | MINLEGO | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2022 06:26 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, MINLEGO writes:
| | In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | If you are interested, please fill out the form, which I find more practical.
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Frankly?
There are tens of those projects to be seen on Youtube; some ar already advanced,
but still not usable.
What you're showing is a general idea and a price.
Unfortunately, it's very very more complicated than this, and your prices
are way way off.
If you wish to sell 500$ a device that can differentiate bricks from technic
axles, slowly, why would anyone buy it when they can do it far faster and for
free?
Factory sorting machines are more around 100K or 1M$ worth, and they are fast.
I don't support collecting this kind of form with data especially for such
a vague project.
Maybe try to build and use one, and in a couple of years open a kickstarter with
real/actual results?
Wishing you the best!
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The point of the sorter is not realy brick from technic axle but more part 4073
from 85861 for example, and the point of this is that they can run it overnight
and have all your 3000 bricks perfectly sorted in 80 category that you've
setup earlier (manualy or from bricklink category for example).
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Also, you could also upload the list of the part you sorted ovenight directly
in your bricklink inventory.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2022 11:21 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| | | The point of the sorter is not realy brick from technic axle but more part 4073
from 85861 for example, and the point of this is that they can run it overnight
and have all your 3000 bricks perfectly sorted in 80 category that you've
setup earlier (manualy or from bricklink category for example).
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Me too I had this dream, no problem. Just do it?
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 24, 2022 12:45 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| Identification and sorting is not actually that hard for a human. Storing is
often the problem / slow step - that is, finding and putting the part into the
right storage location. I'd be very impressed if an automated sorter could
deal with sorting and storing let's say 5000 different parts.
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Nov 24, 2022 12:51 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, yorbrick writes:
| | Identification and sorting is not actually that hard for a human. Storing is
often the problem / slow step - that is, finding and putting the part into the
right storage location. I'd be very impressed if an automated sorter could
deal with sorting and storing let's say 5000 different parts.
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Differentiating 5000 different parts is complicated, but may not be the worst
problem.
Parting-out a typical LEGO Set of 100 to 300 lots and for a quantity of 1 to
20 Sets (for example) represents a huge logistical problem in terms of number
of lots and for some items in quantity...
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | MINLEGO | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2022 06:23 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Off Topic, yorbrick writes:
| | Identification and sorting is not actually that hard for a human. Storing is
often the problem / slow step - that is, finding and putting the part into the
right storage location. I'd be very impressed if an automated sorter could
deal with sorting and storing let's say 5000 different parts.
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Differentiating 5000 different parts is complicated, but may not be the worst
problem.
Parting-out a typical LEGO Set of 100 to 300 lots and for a quantity of 1 to
20 Sets (for example) represents a huge logistical problem in terms of number
of lots and for some items in quantity...
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The sorter could easely sorter 4000 parts overnight, but if you do that you'll
need to use box that have a the right size. If the problem is choosing a category
for every lots, i think i could add the option to use the basic bricklink categories.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2022 11:23 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| | | | | Parting-out a typical LEGO Set of 100 to 300 lots and for a quantity of 1 to
20 Sets (for example) represents a huge logistical problem in terms of number
of lots and for some items in quantity...
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The sorter could easely sorter 4000 parts overnight, but if you do that you'll
need to use box that have a the right size. If the problem is choosing a category
for every lots, i think i could add the option to use the basic bricklink categories.
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Categories? It's worth nothing mixing all Minifig heads alltogether. The
sorting is only interesting if it differentiates every different lot.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2022 11:33 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | Parting-out a typical LEGO Set of 100 to 300 lots and for a quantity of 1 to
20 Sets (for example) represents a huge logistical problem in terms of number
of lots and for some items in quantity...
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The sorter could easely sorter 4000 parts overnight, but if you do that you'll
need to use box that have a the right size. If the problem is choosing a category
for every lots, i think i could add the option to use the basic bricklink categories.
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Categories? It's worth nothing mixing all Minifig heads alltogether. The
sorting is only interesting if it differentiates every different lot.
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Not necessarily. When sorting out our pieces, they are first broken down into
40 or so different categories. After that, we then break them down to individual
pieces then color and decoration. The first broad sorting is very monotonous
and it's hard to find employees who can handle doing it for more than a few
hours at a time before needing to go to something else.
A machine that could accurately organize into the 40 categories would be interestin.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2022 11:40 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, firestar246 writes:
| | In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | Parting-out a typical LEGO Set of 100 to 300 lots and for a quantity of 1 to
20 Sets (for example) represents a huge logistical problem in terms of number
of lots and for some items in quantity...
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The sorter could easely sorter 4000 parts overnight, but if you do that you'll
need to use box that have a the right size. If the problem is choosing a category
for every lots, i think i could add the option to use the basic bricklink categories.
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Categories? It's worth nothing mixing all Minifig heads alltogether. The
sorting is only interesting if it differentiates every different lot.
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Not necessarily. When sorting out our pieces, they are first broken down into
40 or so different categories. After that, we then break them down to individual
pieces then color and decoration. The first broad sorting is very monotonous
and it's hard to find employees who can handle doing it for more than a few
hours at a time before needing to go to something else.
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So you're doing 2 actions: picking the bricks to separate the bricks, then
picking them again to separate 2x4s and 2x2s, etc.
We directly sort every different lot, it's more efficient IMHO.
But of course I'm talking about sorting bags of Sets. Not the case where
you sort a 20lbs Used bucket...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2022 12:00 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
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So you're doing 2 actions: picking the bricks to separate the bricks, then
picking them again to separate 2x4s and 2x2s, etc.
We directly sort every different lot, it's more efficient IMHO.
But of course I'm talking about sorting bags of Sets. Not the case where
you sort a 20lbs Used bucket...
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Hmm, it seems to me that middle sizes are always more problematic.
I mean:
— If you don’t have many parts to sort, you can sort and store directly in one
move.
— If you have 10x of the same set, you can sort “by bag” in a smallish temporary
storage/area and then empty/move the lots in your final storage.
— But if you have only 1 of a 1000 parts / 200 lots set or unbuilt MOC, you can’t
sort and store directly and you need too much space / temporary storage to store
the 200 lots.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MINLEGO | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2022 08:32 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Off Topic, firestar246 writes:
| | In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | Parting-out a typical LEGO Set of 100 to 300 lots and for a quantity of 1 to
20 Sets (for example) represents a huge logistical problem in terms of number
of lots and for some items in quantity...
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The sorter could easely sorter 4000 parts overnight, but if you do that you'll
need to use box that have a the right size. If the problem is choosing a category
for every lots, i think i could add the option to use the basic bricklink categories.
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Categories? It's worth nothing mixing all Minifig heads alltogether. The
sorting is only interesting if it differentiates every different lot.
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Not necessarily. When sorting out our pieces, they are first broken down into
40 or so different categories. After that, we then break them down to individual
pieces then color and decoration. The first broad sorting is very monotonous
and it's hard to find employees who can handle doing it for more than a few
hours at a time before needing to go to something else.
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So you're doing 2 actions: picking the bricks to separate the bricks, then
picking them again to separate 2x4s and 2x2s, etc.
We directly sort every different lot, it's more efficient IMHO.
But of course I'm talking about sorting bags of Sets. Not the case where
you sort a 20lbs Used bucket...
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The category can be customisable, you could totaly make one with only the 2x2
bricks in shades of blue that is not in regular blue.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2022 11:56 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| | | | | | | Not necessarily. When sorting out our pieces, they are first broken down into
40 or so different categories. After that, we then break them down to individual
pieces then color and decoration. The first broad sorting is very monotonous
and it's hard to find employees who can handle doing it for more than a few
hours at a time before needing to go to something else.
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So you're doing 2 actions: picking the bricks to separate the bricks, then
picking them again to separate 2x4s and 2x2s, etc.
We directly sort every different lot, it's more efficient IMHO.
But of course I'm talking about sorting bags of Sets. Not the case where
you sort a 20lbs Used bucket...
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The category can be customisable, you could totaly make one with only the 2x2
bricks in shades of blue that is not in regular blue.
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This and so many other things.
The problem is not imagining or selling an auto sorter.
It's to build it and make it:
* smart enough (recognition)
* be reliable (same results)
* be fast enough (1 part per minute, is it worth?)
* be worth economically (1M$ cost, or a whole night of 500W power for 100 parts?)
* use the less space possible (a whole room ?)
* fixable (plans, tools, source of parts, 3D prints ?)
* updatable (software, database, parts catalog ?)
* not harmful (230V hazard, finger pinched, emissions, kids!)
Then comes the distribution. Will you provide "open-source" plans and software?
Will it be sold? From a Company? Warranty? Regulations on electrical apparels...
and so on.
But good luck - just make a prototype!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MINLEGO | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2022 14:15 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | | | Not necessarily. When sorting out our pieces, they are first broken down into
40 or so different categories. After that, we then break them down to individual
pieces then color and decoration. The first broad sorting is very monotonous
and it's hard to find employees who can handle doing it for more than a few
hours at a time before needing to go to something else.
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So you're doing 2 actions: picking the bricks to separate the bricks, then
picking them again to separate 2x4s and 2x2s, etc.
We directly sort every different lot, it's more efficient IMHO.
But of course I'm talking about sorting bags of Sets. Not the case where
you sort a 20lbs Used bucket...
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The category can be customisable, you could totaly make one with only the 2x2
bricks in shades of blue that is not in regular blue.
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This and so many other things.
The problem is not imagining or selling an auto sorter.
It's to build it and make it:
* smart enough (recognition)
* be reliable (same results)
* be fast enough (1 part per minute, is it worth?)
* be worth economically (1M$ cost, or a whole night of 500W power for 100 parts?)
* use the less space possible (a whole room ?)
* fixable (plans, tools, source of parts, 3D prints ?)
* updatable (software, database, parts catalog ?)
* not harmful (230V hazard, finger pinched, emissions, kids!)
Then comes the distribution. Will you provide "open-source" plans and software?
Will it be sold? From a Company? Warranty? Regulations on electrical apparels...
and so on.
But good luck - just make a prototype!
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Totally agree with that and i already have the solutions for 7 of the 9 probmes
you pointed out.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2022 11:41 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, firestar246 writes:
| | In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | Parting-out a typical LEGO Set of 100 to 300 lots and for a quantity of 1 to
20 Sets (for example) represents a huge logistical problem in terms of number
of lots and for some items in quantity...
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The sorter could easely sorter 4000 parts overnight, but if you do that you'll
need to use box that have a the right size. If the problem is choosing a category
for every lots, i think i could add the option to use the basic bricklink categories.
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Categories? It's worth nothing mixing all Minifig heads alltogether. The
sorting is only interesting if it differentiates every different lot.
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Not necessarily. When sorting out our pieces, they are first broken down into
40 or so different categories. After that, we then break them down to individual
pieces then color and decoration. The first broad sorting is very monotonous
and it's hard to find employees who can handle doing it for more than a few
hours at a time before needing to go to something else.
A machine that could accurately organize into the 40 categories would be interestin.
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+1 it took myself with several helpers about half a year to do the first sort
(something like 1500 pounds) we had to do before I could even start listing anything
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2022 11:45 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, firestar246 writes:
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and it's hard to find employees who can handle doing it for more than a few
hours at a time before needing to go to something else.
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You might want to rephrase/expand on that because it sounds like “The gall of
them! We give them a job and they want a break after merely 8h!”  
Or maybe it’s all the posts about the Eiffel Tower that put the 19th century
in my mind
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MINLEGO | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2022 08:31 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, firestar246 writes:
| | In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | Parting-out a typical LEGO Set of 100 to 300 lots and for a quantity of 1 to
20 Sets (for example) represents a huge logistical problem in terms of number
of lots and for some items in quantity...
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The sorter could easely sorter 4000 parts overnight, but if you do that you'll
need to use box that have a the right size. If the problem is choosing a category
for every lots, i think i could add the option to use the basic bricklink categories.
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Categories? It's worth nothing mixing all Minifig heads alltogether. The
sorting is only interesting if it differentiates every different lot.
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Not necessarily. When sorting out our pieces, they are first broken down into
40 or so different categories. After that, we then break them down to individual
pieces then color and decoration. The first broad sorting is very monotonous
and it's hard to find employees who can handle doing it for more than a few
hours at a time before needing to go to something else.
A machine that could accurately organize into the 40 categories would be interestin.
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yeah
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MINLEGO | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2022 08:30 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | Parting-out a typical LEGO Set of 100 to 300 lots and for a quantity of 1 to
20 Sets (for example) represents a huge logistical problem in terms of number
of lots and for some items in quantity...
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The sorter could easely sorter 4000 parts overnight, but if you do that you'll
need to use box that have a the right size. If the problem is choosing a category
for every lots, i think i could add the option to use the basic bricklink categories.
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Categories? It's worth nothing mixing all Minifig heads alltogether. The
sorting is only interesting if it differentiates every different lot.
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I agree with, when i said that i was thinking about, regular brick, slope, inversed
slope, panel, chain etc..., anyway the sorter will probalbly have lot of problems
with printed parts, because there is a lot diferent and, for example, if the
head do not face the phone, the ia could only make theories.
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| | | | | | | Author: | MINLEGO | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2022 06:19 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, yorbrick writes:
| | Identification and sorting is not actually that hard for a human. Storing is
often the problem / slow step - that is, finding and putting the part into the
right storage location. I'd be very impressed if an automated sorter could
deal with sorting and storing let's say 5000 different parts.
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but it is the point of this sorter
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2022 07:26 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, MINLEGO writes:
| | In Off Topic, yorbrick writes:
| | Identification and sorting is not actually that hard for a human. Storing is
often the problem / slow step - that is, finding and putting the part into the
right storage location. I'd be very impressed if an automated sorter could
deal with sorting and storing let's say 5000 different parts.
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but it is the point of this sorter
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So you see saying it will automate putting the parts into specific locations
into a storage system of 5000 bins - that is, the storing rather than sorting
of parts.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MINLEGO | | Posted: | Nov 25, 2022 08:04 | | Subject: | Re: Expandable & unviersal lego sorter | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Off Topic | |
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| In Off Topic, yorbrick writes:
| | In Off Topic, MINLEGO writes:
| | In Off Topic, yorbrick writes:
| | Identification and sorting is not actually that hard for a human. Storing is
often the problem / slow step - that is, finding and putting the part into the
right storage location. I'd be very impressed if an automated sorter could
deal with sorting and storing let's say 5000 different parts.
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but it is the point of this sorter
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So you see saying it will automate putting the parts into specific locations
into a storage system of 5000 bins - that is, the storing rather than sorting
of parts.
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yes, but there no point to have the storing without the sorting, same for having
5000 bins unless you want to have a bin for prety much every single type of part.
I'd rather imagine someone put drawers (see the picture) in the right place
around the sorter, let the sorter make his thing and then take off the drawers
and put them in there cabinets.
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