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| | | | | Author: | dreambuilder71 | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 10:53 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 127 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| Yes I agree! What is misinformation to them? And where are they getting stuff
we say from? Do they stalk us on Facebook or Twitter so if we share a true fact
about a political party or leader, but paypal doesn't agree, then that's
spreading misinformation?
And what is Bricklink going to do about paypal when they force us to use PP to
sell to the USA so they can charge them taxes. I can't sell to the USA (on
BL) for this exact reason! I won't use PayPal and now after they pulled
this stunt, I probably won't use them at all. But I am losing big sales
not being able to sell to the USA on Bricklink.
In Payment Methods, macebobo writes:
| | I am done with PayPal. First they said it was a mistake, now IDK what the excuse
will be, and I don't really care. I don't need PayPal policing my speech.
I wonder who is asking/paying them to do this?
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| | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 11:07 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, dreambuilder71 writes:
| | And what is Bricklink going to do about paypal when they force us to use PP to
sell to the USA so they can charge them taxes. I can't sell to the USA (on
BL) for this exact reason! I won't use PayPal and now after they pulled
this stunt, I probably won't use them at all. But I am losing big sales
not being able to sell to the USA on Bricklink.
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You can try Stripe.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 11:18 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| | | And what is Bricklink going to do about paypal when they force us to use PP to
sell to the USA so they can charge them taxes. I can't sell to the USA (on
BL) for this exact reason!
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Bricklink is an online marketplace. They have to collect any taxes due, and so
you have to use an onsite method (paypal or stripe) for the payment so that those
taxes can be collected. If that wasn't the case, and sellers collected full
payments including the tax paid by the buyer then had to pay the tax they collected
to bricklink, no doubt some stores would collect the tax running up huge tax
debts they owe to bricklink then disappear leaving bricklink liable for the unpaid
tax bills. They can write off fees owed to them if absolutely necessary if a
store owner disappears. But they cannot write off the sales tax / VAT already
collected by the seller and owed to the relevant government.
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| | | | | | | Author: | exhalingwilcox | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 21:12 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, dreambuilder71 writes:
| | Yes I agree! What is misinformation to them? And where are they getting stuff
we say from? Do they stalk us on Facebook or Twitter so if we share a true fact
about a political party or leader, but paypal doesn't agree, then that's
spreading misinformation?
And what is Bricklink going to do about paypal when they force us to use PP to
sell to the USA so they can charge them taxes. I can't sell to the USA (on
BL) for this exact reason! I won't use PayPal and now after they pulled
this stunt, I probably won't use them at all. But I am losing big sales
not being able to sell to the USA on Bricklink.
In Payment Methods, macebobo writes:
| | I am done with PayPal. First they said it was a mistake, now IDK what the excuse
will be, and I don't really care. I don't need PayPal policing my speech.
I wonder who is asking/paying them to do this?
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what payment method do you use? I've been looking through some shops but
have only found paypal.
does anybody remember when paypal let you pay with a credit card through their
site with no account?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 21:17 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| | | what payment method do you use? I've been looking through some shops but have only found paypal.
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Some (myself included) also offer stripe
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 11:06 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 99 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, macebobo writes:
| | I am done with PayPal. First they said it was a mistake, now IDK what the excuse
will be, and I don't really care. I don't need PayPal policing my speech.
I wonder who is asking/paying them to do this?
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They are not watching your social media to see if you drop politically charged
memes. You can get a fine for providing false information that pertains to business
dealings involving PayPal.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 11:58 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 91 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, axaday writes:
| | In Payment Methods, macebobo writes:
| | I am done with PayPal. First they said it was a mistake, now IDK what the excuse
will be, and I don't really care. I don't need PayPal policing my speech.
I wonder who is asking/paying them to do this?
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They are not watching your social media to see if you drop politically charged
memes. You can get a fine for providing false information that pertains to business
dealings involving PayPal.
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+1 the way it’s said this time I lean towards this but then again it wouldn’t
be the first time a company used an intentionally broad definition for something
so that would have free rain to do other things
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 12:31 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Payment Methods, axaday writes:
| | In Payment Methods, macebobo writes:
| | I am done with PayPal. First they said it was a mistake, now IDK what the excuse
will be, and I don't really care. I don't need PayPal policing my speech.
I wonder who is asking/paying them to do this?
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They are not watching your social media to see if you drop politically charged
memes. You can get a fine for providing false information that pertains to business
dealings involving PayPal.
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+1 the way it’s said this time I lean towards this but then again it wouldn’t
be the first time a company used an intentionally broad definition for something
so that would have free rain to do other things
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It would be great if BL had their own payment processing system similar to (e.g.)
Etsy's, and gave sellers the option of accepting it in addition to PayPal
& Stripe.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 12:35 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| | | It would be great if BL had their own payment processing system similar to (e.g.)
Etsy's, and gave sellers the option of accepting it in addition to PayPal
& Stripe.
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Yes but no.
Far too much risks.
They'd have to take care and refund all problems; this can't happen to
TLC that it's said that someone complains LEGO didn't refund something.
They'd have too much to lose.
I don't know the numbers, but BrickLink is maybe 0.01% of their business
So, this site cannot be a problem for them.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | TheCuteGiraffe | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 20:30 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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For sure it aint the first.
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| | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 12:26 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 12:32 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| | | Who defines what false information is, we saw what happened with covid and now
some of those supposed false statements are proven to be, in fact, true.
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There's a difference between - not scientifically knowing (ex: how gravity
works), or advancing (maybe a bit quickly) hypothesis and promoting well known
and proven worldwide false truths.
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I signed up for PayPal, it was to be a payment processor, not an arbiter of "truth."
It is a very slippery slope.
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They don't want you to make money on crap sold. That's it.
Crap isn't only "Selling used for New LEGO" but also selling false statements
to persons in a weak condition for example.
| | I turned off PayPal about 10 days ago, my sales are just the same as they were
before I stopped accepting PayPal.
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Lucky you - here it's 80% of our business!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 14:02 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 14:04 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| | | but I don't think a company should have to power to fine without some sort of due process or appeal process laid out in advance.
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Specifically by a 3rd party that is wholly uninvolved with the company
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 14:54 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| | | | | They don't want you to make money on crap sold. That's it.
Crap isn't only "Selling used for New LEGO" but also selling false statements
to persons in a weak condition for example.
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I don't know how you are making these judgement calls Sylvain, they are explicitly
vague in the wording of the UAP. It is up to interpretation, not mine, not yours,
but PayPal's. They even say that explicitly in the UAP. Why can't they
be just as explicit with the other points?
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Don't worry for PayPal.
They're a private company and everything but stupid.
They don't want problems accepting business from nefarious sites.
Apart this, they've juste ZERO interest in losing users = losing money.
So I'm sure they won't fine whoever says a silly thing on the web...
Otherwise I'll lose everything 
Please don't assume they're stupid and are shooting their foot?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 16:08 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| I feel like we aren't even having the same conversation.
PayPal isn't watching you. They don't care what you say on Facebook
or Twitter. They don't care if you lie to your parents or your wife or your
boss. Or anyone around the water cooler at work. They only care about fraud
that involves them.
They don't care what you think about Covid or Vaccines. They have that in
common with me.
They care that your address is really your address and your name is really your
name and your accounts are really your accounts and you aren't swindling
anyone with their help. They don't do background checks on the people that
sign up for PayPal and they don't have someone following you, but if they
get the shaft on some money or someone involved in a transaction with you reports
that you are a fraud, they are going to investigate it and they will be the arbiters
of truth in that instance and if they find that you have swindled PayPal or someone
else through PayPal, they are going to fine you for it.
In Payment Methods, macebobo writes:
| | In Payment Methods, axaday writes:
| | In Payment Methods, macebobo writes:
| | I am done with PayPal. First they said it was a mistake, now IDK what the excuse
will be, and I don't really care. I don't need PayPal policing my speech.
I wonder who is asking/paying them to do this?
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They are not watching your social media to see if you drop politically charged
memes. You can get a fine for providing false information that pertains to business
dealings involving PayPal.
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Who defines what false information is, we saw what happened with covid and now
some of those supposed false statements are proven to be, in fact, true. When
I signed up for PayPal, it was to be a payment processor, not an arbiter of "truth."
It is a very slippery slope.
I turned off PayPal about 10 days ago, my sales are just the same as they were
before I stopped accepting PayPal.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 16:29 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 17:14 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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They care that your address is really your address and your name is really your
name and your accounts are really your accounts and you aren't swindling
anyone with their help. They don't do background checks on the people that
sign up for PayPal and they don't have someone following you, but if they
get the shaft on some money or someone involved in a transaction with you reports
that you are a fraud, they are going to investigate it and they will be the arbiters
of truth in that instance and if they find that you have swindled PayPal or someone
else through PayPal, they are going to fine you for it.
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They do also care if you use a PayPal account to collect funds for an illegal
activity. In many cases that seems obvious, but there was that issue with the
trucker protests in Canada where the government ruled them as illegal and a gofundme
account was suspended and bitcoin accounts investigated. I think PayPal was allowed
to suspend accounts without a court order if they believed they were involved.
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 11:44 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| Just 2 cents...
* PayPal is connected through BrickLink if you use Instant Payment.
In this case I'm not sure this concerns your PayPal account or BrickLink's?
Anyway you don't fear anything shipping LEGO items...
* I guess what they mean is that getting money, making business with PayPal
while providing false information may be end up you to pay 2500$/whatever...
Like a subscription or donations to a Flat Earthers site.
In other words, I don't think you tweeting your reality will be 'punished'.
Apart maybe if that provokes 1 million retweets and then some donations arrive
to your account (then, it's case above).
IMHO
PS: I don't mean I like what they do.
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| | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 13:20 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In the Dutch AUP it says the fine applies for acounts mostly used for businesses:
Als u uw PayPal-rekening voornamelijk gebruikt ten behoeve van uw handels-, bedrijfs-,
ambachts- of beroepsuitoefening en u het Beleid inzake redelijk gebruik schendt,
In English (Google translate...)
If you use your PayPal account primarily for the purposes of your trade, business,
craft or profession and you violate the Acceptable Use Policy, then:
This is not stated as such in the English/US-version of the AUP.
Different legislations or discrimination of businesses over private users?
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| | | | | Author: | chetzler | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 14:20 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, macebobo writes:
| | I am done with PayPal. First they said it was a mistake, now IDK what the excuse
will be, and I don't really care. I don't need PayPal policing my speech.
I wonder who is asking/paying them to do this?
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It seems pretty clear to me that the highlighted section means, "Providing false,
misleading, or inaccurate information [to PayPal]". I wouldn't want to do
business with someone who provides me false information to me either.
I'd be more concerned about the statement immediately following that one:
"send or receive what we reasonably believe to be potentially fraudulent funds."
There are several weasel words there. This sounds a lot like the pretext that
some law enforcement agencies use to acquire funds using asset forfeiture laws.
Regardless, how is PayPal going to collect any supposed penalties? I routinely
transfer money to my bank; there is rarely much more than a hundred dollares
in my PayPal accout. To paraphrase a possibly apocryphal statement, they made
their decision, let them enforce it! It seems the worst they could do is terminate
your account.
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| | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 14:27 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, chetzler writes:
| | Regardless, how is PayPal going to collect any supposed penalties? I routinely
transfer money to my bank; there is rarely much more than a hundred dollares
in my PayPal accout. To paraphrase a possibly apocryphal statement, they made
their decision, let them enforce it! It seems the worst they could do is terminate
your account.
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They will debit your bank account - I believe that's in the terms
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | chetzler | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 14:49 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, peregrinator writes:
| | In Payment Methods, chetzler writes:
| | Regardless, how is PayPal going to collect any supposed penalties? I routinely
transfer money to my bank; there is rarely much more than a hundred dollares
in my PayPal accout. To paraphrase a possibly apocryphal statement, they made
their decision, let them enforce it! It seems the worst they could do is terminate
your account.
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They will debit your bank account - I believe that's in the terms
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Hmm, I’ll have to look into that, seems legally tenuous. I would report as fraud
any attempts by PayPal to collect fines from my bank account. Enough fraud claims
directed their way might cause them to reconsider their terms.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 15:15 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, chetzler writes:
| | In Payment Methods, peregrinator writes:
| | In Payment Methods, chetzler writes:
| | Regardless, how is PayPal going to collect any supposed penalties? I routinely
transfer money to my bank; there is rarely much more than a hundred dollares
in my PayPal accout. To paraphrase a possibly apocryphal statement, they made
their decision, let them enforce it! It seems the worst they could do is terminate
your account.
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They will debit your bank account - I believe that's in the terms
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Hmm, I’ll have to look into that, seems legally tenuous. I would report as fraud
any attempts by PayPal to collect fines from my bank account. Enough fraud claims
directed their way might cause them to reconsider their terms.
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If you go into debt with them, they can charge your bank. Something else they
do here is sell the debt to a debt collection agency that can then send in bailiffs
if you continue to refuse to pay after court proceedings.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | edeevo | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 16:05 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, chetzler writes:
| | In Payment Methods, peregrinator writes:
| | In Payment Methods, chetzler writes:
| | Regardless, how is PayPal going to collect any supposed penalties? I routinely
transfer money to my bank; there is rarely much more than a hundred dollares
in my PayPal accout. To paraphrase a possibly apocryphal statement, they made
their decision, let them enforce it! It seems the worst they could do is terminate
your account.
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They will debit your bank account - I believe that's in the terms
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Hmm, I’ll have to look into that, seems legally tenuous. I would report as fraud
any attempts by PayPal to collect fines from my bank account. Enough fraud claims
directed their way might cause them to reconsider their terms.
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It is legally dubious... 
Personally, I'm not worried about this at all... I cannot speak for the
world, but in the USA, businesses (such as PayPal) cannot debit your personal
or business bank account legally without your consent (whether it's in their
terms and conditions agreement or not); and in some states (ex: California) there
are additional consumer protection rights that actually prohibit a company from
debiting your account over a certain amount without your explicit written consent
(and terms and conditions agreements on PayPal do not imply consent, no matter
how much their legal folks would want it to)...
I'm guessing this new language is in response to some recent legal issues
with actual illegal transactions being done through PayPal (think money laundering,
firearms purchases, etc.) that PayPal has had to address with government entities
(they've been fined for them numerous times in the past... just Google "PayPal
fined for illegal payments", and you'll see plenty).
So I'm guessing PayPal added this language to their terms to try to somewhat
'shield' themselves from another of these sorts of incidents that will
occur on their platform going forward (i.e. a sort of "legal" loophole PayPal
can point to in that clause and claim ignorance to the illegal transactions because
users agreed not to do it (lol); all in the hopes of lessening the fines going
forward); regardless, the language is extremely sloppy and woefully lacking specifics
(though I'd wager it was vague and non-specific for a reason; that vagueness
likely gives PayPal some wiggle room in those fine cases for illegal activities
on their platform; or maybe if they "fine" the wrong person $2500, and PayPal
is challenged or sued, they can point back to that clause in the terms and attempt
to justify that they "had cause to suspect" as they slowly walk away)...
FYI: If PayPal even attempted to debit your actual bank account, (as already
mentioned) you simply need to report the transaction as fraud, and let your bank
deny it, and see if PayPal decides to actually pursue it legally (I'd love
to see PayPal attempt to legally wrangle with any big bank's legal department...
lol... I think even they know nothing good could come of it)... the best PayPal
can do is send your account to a debt collector to "collect" the $2500 for misinformation/whatever
(which opens them to a host of other issues; not least of all the bad press it
would bring... which is something PayPal actively tries to avoid).
Life is Good.
~Ed.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 16:30 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| | | Personally, I'm not worried about this at all... I cannot speak for the
world, but in the USA, businesses (such as PayPal) cannot debit your personal
or business bank account legally without your consent (whether it's in their
terms and conditions agreement or not)
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Here PayPal is a bank (in EU/Luxemburg), and yes, it's perfectly legal and
in the Terms they can debit the eventual connected sources (if you've had)
like VISA/Bank, and take the money if justified - and of course they'll justify
it.
This can be for paying something for you, sending money, when your account is
in negative for any reaason, after a charge back, etc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Nov 2, 2022 18:36 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, edeevo writes:
| | FYI: If PayPal even attempted to debit your actual bank account, (as already
mentioned) you simply need to report the transaction as fraud, and let your bank
deny it, and see if PayPal decides to actually pursue it legally (I'd love
to see PayPal attempt to legally wrangle with any big bank's legal department...
lol...
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If you are committing fraud via PayPal then I don't think your bank is going
to defend you.
Easiest thing to do would be to just disconnect your bank account from PayPal
but PayPal may keep a record of your bank details even if you disconnect your
account.
As stated earlier in the thread PayPal is not concerned so much with policing
hate speech as they are with fraud and deception, and they are intentionally
vague about what exactly constitutes "misinformation" so as to cast as wide a
net as possible.
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| | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 15:39 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, macebobo writes:
| | I am done with PayPal. First they said it was a mistake, now IDK what the excuse
will be, and I don't really care. I don't need PayPal policing my speech.
I wonder who is asking/paying them to do this?
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false or misleading information in regard to paypal may simply be "this is a
friends and family payment" when they know it's for a sale.
I don't think they have any interest in policing anti-vaxxers who spread
misinformation.
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| | | | | | | Author: | legomalego | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 17:26 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| Or pro-vaxxers who spread misinformation.
In Payment Methods, Brettj666 writes:
| | In Payment Methods, macebobo writes:
| | I am done with PayPal. First they said it was a mistake, now IDK what the excuse
will be, and I don't really care. I don't need PayPal policing my speech.
I wonder who is asking/paying them to do this?
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false or misleading information in regard to paypal may simply be "this is a
friends and family payment" when they know it's for a sale.
I don't think they have any interest in policing anti-vaxxers who spread
misinformation.
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| | | | | | | Author: | dreambuilder71 | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 20:34 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, Brettj666 writes:
| | In Payment Methods, macebobo writes:
| | I am done with PayPal. First they said it was a mistake, now IDK what the excuse
will be, and I don't really care. I don't need PayPal policing my speech.
I wonder who is asking/paying them to do this?
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false or misleading information in regard to paypal may simply be "this is a
friends and family payment" when they know it's for a sale.
I don't think they have any interest in policing anti-vaxxers who spread
misinformation.
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Pro-Vaxers can spread misinformation too my friend. 😉 lol
My dad is full of misinformation. Lol
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| | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Oct 27, 2022 15:55 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, macebobo writes:
| | I am done with PayPal. First they said it was a mistake, now IDK what the excuse
will be, and I don't really care. I don't need PayPal policing my speech.
I wonder who is asking/paying them to do this?
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I do not see anything here that mentions large fines, or money taken from anyone's
account. I also don't see anything here that describes paypal policing, or
responding to people political view, or view about anything on social media etc.
Is there a picture of the agreement that includes those terms?
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| | | | | | | Author: | rtzx9r | | Posted: | Nov 2, 2022 23:47 | | Subject: | Re: PayPal reinstated their $2500 fine. | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Payment Methods | |
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| In Payment Methods, calebfishn writes:
| | In Payment Methods, macebobo writes:
| | I am done with PayPal. First they said it was a mistake, now IDK what the excuse
will be, and I don't really care. I don't need PayPal policing my speech.
I wonder who is asking/paying them to do this?
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I do not see anything here that mentions large fines, or money taken from anyone's
account. I also don't see anything here that describes paypal policing, or
responding to people political view, or view about anything on social media etc.
Is there a picture of the agreement that includes those terms?
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This is for: PayPal’s own terms...
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full?locale.x=en_US
Scroll down to the section “Restricted Activities” and “ Actions We May Take
if You Engage in Any Restricted Activities”.
“If you are a seller and receive funds for transactions that violate the Acceptable
Use Policy and said violation is associated with fraud or the sale of goods that
are counterfeit or otherwise infringe on intellectual property rights, then in
addition to being subject to the above actions you will be liable to PayPal for
the amount of PayPal’s damages caused by said violation. You acknowledge and
agree that $2,500.00 U.S. dollars per violation is presently a reasonable minimum
estimate of PayPal’s actual damages - including, but not limited to, internal
administrative costs incurred by PayPal to monitor and track violations, damage
to PayPal’s brand and reputation, and penalties imposed upon PayPal by its business
partners resulting from said violation associated with fraud or the sale of goods
that are counterfeit or otherwise infringe on intellectual property rights -
considering all currently existing circumstances, including the relationship
of the sum to the range of harm to PayPal that reasonably could be anticipated
because, due to the nature of the violation, actual damages would be impractical
or extremely difficult to calculate. PayPal may deduct such damages directly
from any existing balance in any PayPal account you control.“
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