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| | | Author: | legokopen  | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 04:41 | | Subject: | Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 426 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Recently, I got warnings for offering a transparent minifig Batman cowl that
supposedly was illegitimate. Not nice, but well, I could kind of understand the
reason.
But today BrickLink today both my buyer and seller priviledges with reason: fee
avoidance.
That comes out of nowhere to me, so I'm wondering: where does this witch
hunt come from?
Are more people experiencing overly enthusiastic moderators that are in desperate
need of finding some violation of the terms?
This is not how BrickLink should be managed. It should be a place for AFOLs,
and of course for those just looking for a set or spare brick.
Please, please don't make this an environment based on suspicion, assuming
that we're all just looking for the last cent/penny/nickel to add to our
fortune.
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 05:51 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 134 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, legokopen writes:
| | Recently, I got warnings for offering a transparent minifig Batman cowl that
supposedly was illegitimate. Not nice, but well, I could kind of understand the
reason.
But today BrickLink today both my buyer and seller priviledges with reason: fee
avoidance.
That comes out of nowhere to me, so I'm wondering: where does this witch
hunt come from?
Are more people experiencing overly enthusiastic moderators that are in desperate
need of finding some violation of the terms?
This is not how BrickLink should be managed. It should be a place for AFOLs,
and of course for those just looking for a set or spare brick.
Please, please don't make this an environment based on suspicion, assuming
that we're all just looking for the last cent/penny/nickel to add to our
fortune.
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Are you upset because you are not guilty or because you don't think you should
have been caught? Did they specify a specific behavior or just give you a general
category?
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| | | | | | | Author: | legokopen | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 07:11 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 128 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, axaday writes:
| | In General, legokopen writes:
| | Recently, I got warnings for offering a transparent minifig Batman cowl that
supposedly was illegitimate. Not nice, but well, I could kind of understand the
reason.
But today BrickLink today both my buyer and seller priviledges with reason: fee
avoidance.
That comes out of nowhere to me, so I'm wondering: where does this witch
hunt come from?
Are more people experiencing overly enthusiastic moderators that are in desperate
need of finding some violation of the terms?
This is not how BrickLink should be managed. It should be a place for AFOLs,
and of course for those just looking for a set or spare brick.
Please, please don't make this an environment based on suspicion, assuming
that we're all just looking for the last cent/penny/nickel to add to our
fortune.
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Are you upset because you are not guilty or because you don't think you should
have been caught? Did they specify a specific behavior or just give you a general
category?
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I,m upset, because I'm not guilty, but mostly because it just feels control
freaky. There should a solid ground to intervene. Anyway, I'll see what they
say. Maybe the suspension is undeliberate, and the worries are in vain.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 10:27 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, legokopen writes:
| | In General, axaday writes:
| | In General, legokopen writes:
| | Recently, I got warnings for offering a transparent minifig Batman cowl that
supposedly was illegitimate. Not nice, but well, I could kind of understand the
reason.
But today BrickLink today both my buyer and seller priviledges with reason: fee
avoidance.
That comes out of nowhere to me, so I'm wondering: where does this witch
hunt come from?
Are more people experiencing overly enthusiastic moderators that are in desperate
need of finding some violation of the terms?
This is not how BrickLink should be managed. It should be a place for AFOLs,
and of course for those just looking for a set or spare brick.
Please, please don't make this an environment based on suspicion, assuming
that we're all just looking for the last cent/penny/nickel to add to our
fortune.
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Are you upset because you are not guilty or because you don't think you should
have been caught? Did they specify a specific behavior or just give you a general
category?
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I,m upset, because I'm not guilty, but mostly because it just feels control
freaky. There should a solid ground to intervene. Anyway, I'll see what they
say. Maybe the suspension is undeliberate, and the worries are in vain.
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While your store is closed, I guess I can't see your terms.
Do you set your prices low and then have a high processing or handling fee?
Especially if that fee is a percentage, it is basically making your money where
Bricklink doesn't charge fees instead of where they do and they don't
like that. If it is that, though, I really don't think a Bricklink employee
just happened to notice. It would mean a customer complained.
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 08:59 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 100 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, legokopen writes:
| | Recently, I got warnings for offering a transparent minifig Batman cowl that
supposedly was illegitimate. Not nice, but well, I could kind of understand the
reason.
But today BrickLink today both my buyer and seller priviledges with reason: fee
avoidance.
That comes out of nowhere to me, so I'm wondering: where does this witch
hunt come from?
Are more people experiencing overly enthusiastic moderators that are in desperate
need of finding some violation of the terms?
This is not how BrickLink should be managed. It should be a place for AFOLs,
and of course for those just looking for a set or spare brick.
Please, please don't make this an environment based on suspicion, assuming
that we're all just looking for the last cent/penny/nickel to add to our
fortune.
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Just curious, were the warnings from BrickLink? or other members?
Also, if you were suspended due to fee avoidance, then why do you think it's
related to your rare color part?
And yes, the entire store suspension process needs much more communication and
feedback than it does now.
Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | pitz8008 | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 09:07 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, jennnifer writes:
| | In General, legokopen writes:
| | Recently, I got warnings for offering a transparent minifig Batman cowl that
supposedly was illegitimate. Not nice, but well, I could kind of understand the
reason.
But today BrickLink today both my buyer and seller priviledges with reason: fee
avoidance.
That comes out of nowhere to me, so I'm wondering: where does this witch
hunt come from?
Are more people experiencing overly enthusiastic moderators that are in desperate
need of finding some violation of the terms?
This is not how BrickLink should be managed. It should be a place for AFOLs,
and of course for those just looking for a set or spare brick.
Please, please don't make this an environment based on suspicion, assuming
that we're all just looking for the last cent/penny/nickel to add to our
fortune.
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Just curious, were the warnings from BrickLink? or other members?
Also, if you were suspended due to fee avoidance, then why do you think it's
related to your rare color part?
And yes, the entire store suspension process needs much more communication and
feedback than it does now.
Jen
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"Much More Communication" insinuates that there is actually communication.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | pitz8008 | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 09:16 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, pitz8008 writes:
| | In General, jennnifer writes:
| | In General, legokopen writes:
| | Recently, I got warnings for offering a transparent minifig Batman cowl that
supposedly was illegitimate. Not nice, but well, I could kind of understand the
reason.
But today BrickLink today both my buyer and seller priviledges with reason: fee
avoidance.
That comes out of nowhere to me, so I'm wondering: where does this witch
hunt come from?
Are more people experiencing overly enthusiastic moderators that are in desperate
need of finding some violation of the terms?
This is not how BrickLink should be managed. It should be a place for AFOLs,
and of course for those just looking for a set or spare brick.
Please, please don't make this an environment based on suspicion, assuming
that we're all just looking for the last cent/penny/nickel to add to our
fortune.
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Just curious, were the warnings from BrickLink? or other members?
Also, if you were suspended due to fee avoidance, then why do you think it's
related to your rare color part?
And yes, the entire store suspension process needs much more communication and
feedback than it does now.
Jen
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"Much More Communication" insinuates that there is actually communication.
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And Bricklink has all these moderators and administrators who love helping out
the Bricklink community. Why don't they task one or two of them to deal with
store suspensions.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 09:42 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | And Bricklink has all these moderators and administrators who love helping out
the Bricklink community. Why don't they task one or two of them to deal with
store suspensions.
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Presumably something as serious as a suspension has to be dealt with by a trained,
paid employee rather than a discussion forum admin. If an unpaid volunteer can
knock out a store's sales for a few weeks, then they better make sure that
it was a correct decision.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 10:48 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | | | And Bricklink has all these moderators and administrators who love helping out
the Bricklink community. Why don't they task one or two of them to deal with
store suspensions.
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Presumably something as serious as a suspension has to be dealt with by a trained,
paid employee rather than a discussion forum admin. If an unpaid volunteer can
knock out a store's sales for a few weeks, then they better make sure that
it was a correct decision.
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No one would want someone who runs a store to be able to close competitors down.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2022 16:07 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, pitz8008 writes:
| | In General, jennnifer writes:
| | In General, legokopen writes:
| | Recently, I got warnings for offering a transparent minifig Batman cowl that
supposedly was illegitimate. Not nice, but well, I could kind of understand the
reason.
But today BrickLink today both my buyer and seller priviledges with reason: fee
avoidance.
That comes out of nowhere to me, so I'm wondering: where does this witch
hunt come from?
Are more people experiencing overly enthusiastic moderators that are in desperate
need of finding some violation of the terms?
This is not how BrickLink should be managed. It should be a place for AFOLs,
and of course for those just looking for a set or spare brick.
Please, please don't make this an environment based on suspicion, assuming
that we're all just looking for the last cent/penny/nickel to add to our
fortune.
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Just curious, were the warnings from BrickLink? or other members?
Also, if you were suspended due to fee avoidance, then why do you think it's
related to your rare color part?
And yes, the entire store suspension process needs much more communication and
feedback than it does now.
Jen
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"Much More Communication" insinuates that there is actually communication.
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Bricklink does a lot correctly. Most Admins are dedicated to the job they do.
Even with the knowledge I had and with the actual sets, usually in multiples,
I do not envy the Catalog Admins. I did a lot of inventories in the early days,
for Bricklink and for Peeron. I could not upload the catalog and one great Admin,
way back when, did that for me.
However, I cannot believe that there is not enough time to tell a member why
they have privileges revoked. Or is that all that particular Admin knows what
to do, press the revoke button. Letting a suspended member know is polite, appropriate,
compassionate, and good business practice. I do not think that would be points
to argue. If you take the opposite of what I just listed (impolite, not appropriate,
lacks compassion, and is poor business practice) that is what is being done.
Purrhaps that person should be given another job for Bricklink or get a cat.
John P
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2022 16:42 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, legoman77 writes:
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Bricklink does a lot correctly. Most Admins are dedicated to the job they do.
Even with the knowledge I had and with the actual sets, usually in multiples,
I do not envy the Catalog Admins. I did a lot of inventories in the early days,
for Bricklink and for Peeron. I could not upload the catalog and one great Admin,
way back when, did that for me.
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You’re confusing ‘corporate admins’ and ‘member admins’ (or ‘Community Experts’).
I’m not saying the ‘corporate’ ones aren’t dedicated, just that your example
is of a ‘member’ one (or of Dan) 
| | However, I cannot believe that there is not enough time to tell a member why
they have privileges revoked. Or is that all that particular Admin knows what
to do, press the revoke button. Letting a suspended member know is polite, appropriate,
compassionate, and good business practice. I do not think that would be points
to argue. If you take the opposite of what I just listed (impolite, not appropriate,
lacks compassion, and is poor business practice) that is what is being done.
Purrhaps that person should be given another job for Bricklink or get a cat.
John P
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2022 17:46 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | Bricklink does a lot correctly. Most Admins are dedicated to the job they do.
Even with the knowledge I had and with the actual sets, usually in multiples,
I do not envy the Catalog Admins.
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100,000,000% agree.
| | However, I cannot believe that there is not enough time to tell a member why
they have privileges revoked. Or is that all that particular Admin knows what
to do, press the revoke button. Letting a suspended member know is polite, appropriate,
compassionate, and good business practice.
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YES YES and YES.
There should have a few simple manually typed words, or even a canned reason
if it's the proper and exact one.
I don't get why sellers come in forum and genuinely say "Why was my shop
closed"?
That's a very worrying subject for shop owners - me anyway 
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 10:55 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, jennnifer writes:
| | Also, if you were suspended due to fee avoidance, then why do you think it's
related to your rare color part?
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I don't think he is saying they are related except for that the two together
make him feel micromanaged.
The rare color part was because of a policy change that was dictated by the parent
company. Bricklink never minded the pieces being sold and then Lego said it
had to stop. Lego doesn't want to encourage employees to steal by leaving
open a lucrative secondary market for it, so they said people can't sell
pieces that weren't intentionally made by the factory.
I believe Bricklink doesn't have any employees devoted to checking people's
terms and handling fees and things, so I'm pretty sure "fee avoidance" involved
a customer or competitor making a complaint about business practices that
they thought were unfair. Apparently Bricklink thought there was enough merit
to take some action on it. It does appear from the forum that things like that
are slow to get sorted out and if it is just a misunderstanding that would be
too bad. But neither case is really because Bricklink is looking for him to
make a mistake and pouncing.
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| | | | | Author: | BricksOfFaith | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 10:03 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, legokopen writes:
| | Recently, I got warnings for offering a transparent minifig Batman cowl that
supposedly was illegitimate. Not nice, but well, I could kind of understand the
reason.
But today BrickLink today both my buyer and seller priviledges with reason: fee
avoidance.
That comes out of nowhere to me, so I'm wondering: where does this witch
hunt come from?
Are more people experiencing overly enthusiastic moderators that are in desperate
need of finding some violation of the terms?
This is not how BrickLink should be managed. It should be a place for AFOLs,
and of course for those just looking for a set or spare brick.
Please, please don't make this an environment based on suspicion, assuming
that we're all just looking for the last cent/penny/nickel to add to our
fortune.
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*sigh* not another one…. I’m starting to get a bit worried here… I’ve lost count
of how many stores the completely shut down without reason! The worst one was
a store someone had that he invested over a million dollars in! 🤦🏼♂️
I Will admit, we as the forum only get one side of the story, but this is for
real getting ridiculous. I wish the admin would come on and clear it up with
us in the forum soon so I can have restored confidence in this website… I’m starting
to worry that mine is going to be shut down for no reason like so many other
stores….
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 10:52 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Just don’t sell any transparent batman parts  but yah it’s defiantly something
that needs to be worked on with communication and if they close a store down
first it should be a top priority for bricklink to try to work something out
with the seller to re open the store as soon as possible.
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| | | | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 12:12 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| It is highly unlikely that any stores have been shut down "without reason".
While we may not know the reason, there must certainly be one.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 12:20 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, calebfishn writes:
| | It is highly unlikely that any stores have been shut down "without reason".
While we may not know the reason, there must certainly be one.
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Actually, we know the reason: it’s written on the store’s front. It may not
be a very specific reason but it’s a reason.
(And I don’t think we (= neither BL nor the seller) should know more.)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2022 15:07 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, SylvainLS writes:
| | In General, calebfishn writes:
| | It is highly unlikely that any stores have been shut down "without reason".
While we may not know the reason, there must certainly be one.
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Actually, we know the reason: it’s written on the store’s front. It may not
be a very specific reason but it’s a reason.
(And I don’t think we (= neither BL nor the seller) should know more.)
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| | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 10:59 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 371 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, legokopen writes:
| | Recently, I got warnings for offering a transparent minifig Batman cowl that
supposedly was illegitimate. Not nice, but well, I could kind of understand the
reason.
But today BrickLink today both my buyer and seller priviledges with reason: fee
avoidance.
That comes out of nowhere to me, so I'm wondering: where does this witch
hunt come from?
Are more people experiencing overly enthusiastic moderators that are in desperate
need of finding some violation of the terms?
This is not how BrickLink should be managed. It should be a place for AFOLs,
and of course for those just looking for a set or spare brick.
Please, please don't make this an environment based on suspicion, assuming
that we're all just looking for the last cent/penny/nickel to add to our
fortune.
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You were asking buyers to use PayPal Friends & Family, which removes their buyer
protection. That is a serious offense and falls into the "fraud" category. Hence
the swift action to suspend your privileges.
Write to the Help Desk and ask for a second chance.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 11:03 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Now we see the other side of the story. It now makes complete sense as to the
swift ban.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Fr0stByt3 | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 11:04 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Now we see the other side of the story. It now makes complete sense as to the
swift ban.
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It does. I wish we knew more about Bom's situation though.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 11:16 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, SomeRandomUser writes:
| | In General, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Now we see the other side of the story. It now makes complete sense as to the
swift ban.
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It does. I wish we knew more about Bom's situation though.
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It's not necessary for usto know more.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 11:20 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, peregrinator writes:
| | In General, SomeRandomUser writes:
| | In General, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Now we see the other side of the story. It now makes complete sense as to the
swift ban.
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It does. I wish we knew more about Bom's situation though.
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It's not necessary for usto know more.
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Yes, it could be weird...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Fr0stByt3 | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 11:29 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, peregrinator writes:
| | In General, SomeRandomUser writes:
| | In General, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Now we see the other side of the story. It now makes complete sense as to the
swift ban.
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It does. I wish we knew more about Bom's situation though.
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It's not necessary for usto know more.
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I suppose it's not necessary for us to know. I think it'd aggravate the
situation we were having with that witch hunt now that you say that and I sit
here thinking of a proper response.
I still believe at least Bom should receive more communication from the staff
if his store is still closed.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | BricksOfFaith | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 12:36 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Admin_Russell writes:
| | I communicated with Bommi just a day or two ago. His case is being discussed
among our staff. Because of the sensitivity of the subject, we need to be careful
with our response.
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Thank Goodness! I hope it all goes well on both sides!
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| In General, Admin_Russell writes:
| | I communicated with Bommi just a day or two ago. His case is being discussed
among our staff. Because of the sensitivity of the subject, we need to be careful
with our response.
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Russell,
Thank you for sharing this, although I feel like it is NOT any
of the forum's business. However, since it was brought to light by the seller
himself in the public forum, I hope your communication helps alleviate the concerns
that have been expressed very publicly (and to the detriment of Bricklink in
general, IMO.)
Thank you and the Bricklink staff for keeping this place safe to buy and sell
Lego. I am sure it is a thankless job at times, but there are those who appreciate
what you all do.
-- John
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2022 15:09 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 99 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, macebobo writes:
| | In General, Admin_Russell writes:
| | I communicated with Bommi just a day or two ago. His case is being discussed
among our staff. Because of the sensitivity of the subject, we need to be careful
with our response.
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Russell,
Thank you for sharing this, although I feel like it is NOT any
of the forum's business. However, since it was brought to light by the seller
himself in the public forum, I hope your communication helps alleviate the concerns
that have been expressed very publicly (and to the detriment of Bricklink in
general, IMO.)
Thank you and the Bricklink staff for keeping this place safe to buy and sell
Lego. I am sure it is a thankless job at times, but there are those who appreciate
what you all do.
-- John
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| | | | | | | Author: | BricksOfFaith | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 11:07 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In General, legokopen writes:
| | Recently, I got warnings for offering a transparent minifig Batman cowl that
supposedly was illegitimate. Not nice, but well, I could kind of understand the
reason.
But today BrickLink today both my buyer and seller priviledges with reason: fee
avoidance.
That comes out of nowhere to me, so I'm wondering: where does this witch
hunt come from?
Are more people experiencing overly enthusiastic moderators that are in desperate
need of finding some violation of the terms?
This is not how BrickLink should be managed. It should be a place for AFOLs,
and of course for those just looking for a set or spare brick.
Please, please don't make this an environment based on suspicion, assuming
that we're all just looking for the last cent/penny/nickel to add to our
fortune.
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You were asking buyers to use PayPal Friends & Family, which removes their buyer
protection. That is a serious offense and falls into the "fraud" category. Hence
the swift action to suspend your privileges.
Write to the Help Desk and ask for a second chance.
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And that’s all we ask. when a store is banned, send a quick explanation like
that. That way people don’t feel removed needlessly.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | psusaxman2000 | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 11:20 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | And that’s all we ask. when a store is banned, send a quick explanation like
that. That way people don’t feel removed needlessly.
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This should have to go through the Forum though. Yes, they should be more transparent,
but if you were cut off, you reach out to the help desk to find out why. I don't
agree that we need to always know why though.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | BricksOfFaith | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 11:41 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, psusaxman2000 writes:
| | | | And that’s all we ask. when a store is banned, send a quick explanation like
that. That way people don’t feel removed needlessly.
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This should have to go through the Forum though. Yes, they should be more transparent,
but if you were cut off, you reach out to the help desk to find out why. I don't
agree that we need to always know why though.
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Well, I don’t think the forum needs to know at all. All I ask is that when a
store is closed they get an email like “your store has been closed. Here’s why
and here’s how to fix it”
That way it never has to come to the forum in the first place
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jul 29, 2022 11:31 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | You were asking buyers to use PayPal Friends & Family, which removes their buyer
protection. That is a serious offense and falls into the "fraud" category. Hence
the swift action to suspend your privileges.
Write to the Help Desk and ask for a second chance.
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I think a single explanation line in the closing e-mail (I guess you're sending)
would be a good solution.
It'd save a lot of those problems that are debated in forum blindly - as
sellers don't know/understand, and forumers neither.
Example
Closed for:
"Asking for use of PayPal Friends & Family - PayPal's and BL fraud."
If you contest, or wish to get a second chance, please contact Help Desk.
Hoping it makes sense?
Sylvain
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| | | | | | | Author: | Bailey | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2022 23:50 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Not that I get to make the rules around here but it seems unreasonable to regard
legokopen's action as fraud or even serious. Who is being defrauded? Certainly
the potential customer is not being defrauded. They can choose to agree to the
requested terms or not.
Bricklink isn't being defrauded, they will still get their payment. The
only entity that might have a gripe here is Paypal and frankly that should be
between legokopen and Paypal.
Bricklink should not be playing policman for Paypal for the simple reason that
there is no way that Bricklink can unerringly predetermine whether Paypal's
rules are being broken or not. Only Paypal can make that (often arbitrary) distinction.
In General, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In General, legokopen writes:
| | Recently, I got warnings for offering a transparent minifig Batman cowl that
supposedly was illegitimate. Not nice, but well, I could kind of understand the
reason.
But today BrickLink today both my buyer and seller priviledges with reason: fee
avoidance.
That comes out of nowhere to me, so I'm wondering: where does this witch
hunt come from?
Are more people experiencing overly enthusiastic moderators that are in desperate
need of finding some violation of the terms?
This is not how BrickLink should be managed. It should be a place for AFOLs,
and of course for those just looking for a set or spare brick.
Please, please don't make this an environment based on suspicion, assuming
that we're all just looking for the last cent/penny/nickel to add to our
fortune.
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You were asking buyers to use PayPal Friends & Family, which removes their buyer
protection. That is a serious offense and falls into the "fraud" category. Hence
the swift action to suspend your privileges.
Write to the Help Desk and ask for a second chance.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2022 00:47 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | BricksOfFaith | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2022 00:51 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, popsicle writes:.
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A good argument with notable points. Actually don’t think I’ve ever thought about
the whole “PayPal Friends and Family payment” debate, framed this way. Still
wrong to do, imho. But yeah, perhaps not a BL issue? I just don't know, considering
the more salient point: that relevant taxes are neither being avoided.
Don’t know. You got me pondering, though. I'd like to hear from some others,
as I got that nagging feeling there's more to it all. Color me clueless yet
again
-popsicle
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I think Bailey has a good point! However, it is still in their rules. I don’t
know… I want to avoid agreeing with someone just to have my mind changed and
then the other person getting mad. Again…
All I can say, is maybe instead of closing the store, report it to PayPal… however,
what happens when PayPal sees user fraud? Maybe bricklink is trying to protect
this user from whatever penalty PayPal may have waiting for him…
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2022 01:09 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, BricksOfFaith writes:
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I think Bailey has a good point!
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If you take PayPal’s point of view, if BL allows its sellers to use & advertize
Friend & Family, it’s aiding and abeiting, and PayPal can then refuse BL to use
PayPal.
If that happens, BL has so no way to get their fees anymore, and no PayPal Marketplace
(PP onsite) anymore.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2022 04:26 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, SylvainLS writes:
| | In General, BricksOfFaith writes:
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I think Bailey has a good point!
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If you take PayPal’s point of view, if BL allows its sellers to use & advertize
Friend & Family, it’s aiding and abeiting, and PayPal can then refuse BL to use
PayPal.
If that happens, BL has so no way to get their fees anymore, and no PayPal Marketplace
(PP onsite) anymore.
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BrickLink accepts card payments with Stripe too to get the fees
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2022 04:37 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Stellar writes:
| | In General, SylvainLS writes:
| | In General, BricksOfFaith writes:
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I think Bailey has a good point!
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If you take PayPal’s point of view, if BL allows its sellers to use & advertize
Friend & Family, it’s aiding and abeiting, and PayPal can then refuse BL to use
PayPal.
If that happens, BL has so no way to get their fees anymore, and no PayPal Marketplace
(PP onsite) anymore.
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BrickLink accepts card payments with Stripe too to get the fees
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Of course, and they could come up with other methods too.
But I’m not sure BL would thrive very long if it couldn’t use PayPal at all:
fees & ‘PayPal Marketplace / Online’ & maybe even any PP on the site.
The point is that BL HAS to do something.
The time when marketplaces were ‘neutral’ and responsible for nothing (the wild
west) is over. They are responsible for more and more things and can’t hide
behind their sellers anymore.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2022 02:14 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Bailey writes:
| | Not that I get to make the rules around here but it seems unreasonable to regard
legokopen's action as fraud or even serious. Who is being defrauded? Certainly
the potential customer is not being defrauded. They can choose to agree to the
requested terms or not.
Bricklink isn't being defrauded, they will still get their payment. The
only entity that might have a gripe here is Paypal and frankly that should be
between legokopen and Paypal.
Bricklink should not be playing policman for Paypal for the simple reason that
there is no way that Bricklink can unerringly predetermine whether Paypal's
rules are being broken or not. Only Paypal can make that (often arbitrary) distinction.
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Bricklink are responsible for collecting, reporting and paying tax. If the seller
is taking F+F payments that is not possible.
It is also about tricking buyers into thinking they are able to avoid the charges
that the seller imposes when in reality they are losing consumer rights, probably
in some cases without realising it. Sellers don't offer F+F out of goodness,
they do it to make sure buyers cannot reverse payments (whether there is a genuine
reason to or not).
There has to be a level playing field here. If some sellers can use F+F, then
all sellers should. And that will include sellers that set up scams.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2022 14:26 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Bailey writes:
| | Not that I get to make the rules around here but it seems unreasonable to regard
legokopen's action as fraud or even serious. Who is being defrauded? Certainly
the potential customer is not being defrauded. They can choose to agree to the
requested terms or not.
Bricklink isn't being defrauded, they will still get their payment. The
only entity that might have a gripe here is Paypal and frankly that should be
between legokopen and Paypal.
Bricklink should not be playing policman for Paypal for the simple reason that
there is no way that Bricklink can unerringly predetermine whether Paypal's
rules are being broken or not. Only Paypal can make that (often arbitrary) distinction.
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"Certainly the potential customer is not being defrauded. They can choose to
agree to the
True. But the requested terms require the buyer to lie about their relationship
to the seller, and the nature of the transaction. And it requires the seller
to lie about the same things.
And while it is true that the buyer can choose to accept the terms offered by
the seller, it is also true that the same buyer and seller also freely chose
to accept the terms of Paypal, and Bricklink, which they would not be violating.
This is not a decision that has no impact. The seller's terms requesting
a friends and family payment exist because the seller wants to get something
for nothing. They want the benefits of using Paypal, but they don't want
to pay what they agreed to pay when they signed up. There is really nothing
arbitrary about it, I mean, I know who is a member of my family, or a friend:
doesn't the seller?
The buyer in this case may be harmed. Even if it is true that the buyer can willing
accept terms requiring falsifying information, it is very possible that the buyer
does not understand the implications for that choice, i.e. less buyer protection.
The buyer may not even share in the benefit of the reduced fees if the seller
chooses not to pass them on. The buyer's acceptance of the terms may not
be informed consent.
There is also potential damage to Bricklink's marketplace. If the seller
gets something for nothing, that other sellers have to pay for, that practice
puts the other sellers (the honest ones who aren't will to lie for 35 cents.)
at a competitive disadvantage.
Why should Bricklink and the Bricklink Community throw up their hands and say:
"It's not our business to care about this"? Of course it is in the interests
of the Bricklink Community that people's business dealings here are honest
and above board.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2022 14:27 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | "Which they would NOW be violating". Ugh. Where is the edit button? |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Hubby | | Posted: | Aug 23, 2022 09:33 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Hi Russell
Same situation for me, would you please review my case, nobody at support cares
to help me. Got stuck.
Please help!
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| | | | | Author: | legokopen | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2022 16:38 | | Subject: | Re: Overly enthousiastic admins | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, legokopen writes:
| | Recently, I got warnings for offering a transparent minifig Batman cowl that
supposedly was illegitimate. Not nice, but well, I could kind of understand the
reason.
But today BrickLink today both my buyer and seller priviledges with reason: fee
avoidance.
That comes out of nowhere to me, so I'm wondering: where does this witch
hunt come from?
Are more people experiencing overly enthusiastic moderators that are in desperate
need of finding some violation of the terms?
This is not how BrickLink should be managed. It should be a place for AFOLs,
and of course for those just looking for a set or spare brick.
Please, please don't make this an environment based on suspicion, assuming
that we're all just looking for the last cent/penny/nickel to add to our
fortune.
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Well, there's some discussion over here... Just to inform: I respect the
admins, and as Russell mentioned in this thread, the exact reason turned out
to be that I was offering PayPal Friends and Family as an option. Because I think
otherwise is just a waste of money. If something goes wrong with a shipment
I'll need to pay myself anyway.
Anyway, I won't be giving it as an option anymore, and my store was quickly
reopened by the help desk.
Still the feeling remains that I don't know where it will end. Hopefully
it will stay positive for sellers and buyers alike.
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| | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2022 16:51 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | General | |
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