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| | | Author: | eaglem1  | | Posted: | Mar 17, 2022 19:52 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 233 times | | Topic: | Media | |
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 17, 2022 19:55 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 139 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | The main question here is why is Bricklink supporting inventory fraud?
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Wow wow 
I only encountered this once in 16 years of BrickLink and a few thousands orders
And they explained me the reason, a bit of lazyness maybe but it wasn't intentional
at all.
So, without you to give more precise examples, I sincerely don't know what
you're talking about.
And neither saying sellers are perfect
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| | | | | | | Author: | eaglem1 | | Posted: | Mar 17, 2022 20:18 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 98 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Mar 17, 2022 20:11 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 95 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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I have never heard of any seller doing this.
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Mar 17, 2022 20:19 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 113 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, eaglem1 writes:
| | Beware that Bricklink doesn’t provide enough safeguards for buyers against Inventory
Fraud committed by Bricklink sellers. I have experienced this first hand five
times just in the last year. Sellers will artificially inflate LOT numbers to
bring in buyers. After check out, they will indicate a shortage of 300, 400,
and even 500 pieces just for one LOT.
This behavior isn’t just a simple headache. Buyers are overpaying for shipping
and causing reduced buyer confidence in the Brinklink website. In addition, inventory
fraud affects the whole Brinklink community manipulating the pricing guides in
a negative manner. This misrepresenting information on buyers is used to affect
your decisions making. Overall, causing a loss in time and money.
Bricklink please implement fines and fees on sellers that continue to have a
track record of this behavior. Stop contributing to white-collared crimes.
The main question here is why is Bricklink supporting inventory fraud?
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You sound like you are having a really bad day. But, I don't feel that your
experience is the norm here or that BrickLink itself has the power to support
or not support such behavior.
It's very easy to make inventory mistakes when you have 10,000 or 100,000
or more different parts in your store. To imply somehow that a seller would make
a mistake on purpose, and then profit from it doesn't make sense to me. Some
sellers are better than others. Read through their feedback carefully to get
a sense of how they handle problems that crop up.
Your feedback shows that you have had many good shopping experiences here and
one particularly bad one.
I hope these issues are all ironed out for you soon.
Take care!
Jen
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| | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Mar 17, 2022 20:53 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 97 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, eaglem1 writes:
| | Beware that Bricklink doesn’t provide enough safeguards for buyers against Inventory
Fraud committed by Bricklink sellers. I have experienced this first hand five
times just in the last year. Sellers will artificially inflate LOT numbers to
bring in buyers. After check out, they will indicate a shortage of 300, 400,
and even 500 pieces just for one LOT.
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I don't understand why you didn't leave negative feedback for these sellers.
Did you start the NSS process with any of them?
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| | | | | | | Author: | eaglem1 | | Posted: | Mar 17, 2022 20:59 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 97 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Mar 17, 2022 21:06 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 115 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, eaglem1 writes:
| | I did leave negative feedback and one of the stores don't exist anymore because
of the NSS left by so many.
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I only see one negative feedback in your history, that was left over a year ago.
Is that not accurate? Feedback doesn't get deleted when a store is suspended
or banned.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | eaglem1 | | Posted: | Mar 17, 2022 21:26 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 116 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 17, 2022 22:20 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 115 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | What is wrong with you people?
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I don't wish to compare "sizes", but you're here for 1 year and 100 feedbacks.
Just think that it's possible that I (and others here) who kindly replied
you have (far) MORE experience, knowledge?
One thing is sure: I can tell you when having (like me) 1.8 million parts, you
can EASILY lost a bag of 500 or 1000 within the 400 drawers with 20 bags in each,
in a 100 sqm stock.
You can search for a missing bag for 3 days and never ever find it; or maybe
1 year later.
Some sellers aren't the best - but when they make errors, sellers the most
often correct them with refund or reshipment.
Again - I've never seen (apart once bizarre case) a seller practicing what
you say.
And BrickLink doesn't support anything like this, at the contrary.
Don't forget BrickLink lives from both buyers and sellers; they would correct
any fraud - just as a few has been corrected.
I would recommend you:
* to pick top of the notch sellers
* to read feedbacks profiles
* to pay with PayPal, so you're COVERED if there's a problem
* to start NSS if any
* to post Negative feedback if the problem is NOT solved (but not if there's
an error, we're all human)
HTH?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | ElectrickVice | | Posted: | Mar 17, 2022 22:27 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 91 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, eaglem1 writes:
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What is wrong with you people?
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What do you mean you people... but to answer you question so so many things.
In all seriousness, I can not image a situation where inflating inventory numbers
benefits anyone. Just headaches as far as the eye can see.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 17, 2022 22:35 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 117 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, ElectrickVice writes:
| | In Help, eaglem1 writes:
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What is wrong with you people?
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What do you mean you people... but to answer you question so so many things.
In all seriousness, I can not image a situation where inflating inventory numbers
benefits anyone. Just headaches as far as the eye can see.
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Yep - why is there a "k" at your user name?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | ElectrickVice | | Posted: | Mar 17, 2022 22:54 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 105 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Help, ElectrickVice writes:
| | In Help, eaglem1 writes:
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What is wrong with you people?
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What do you mean you people... but to answer you question so so many things.
In all seriousness, I can not image a situation where inflating inventory numbers
benefits anyone. Just headaches as far as the eye can see.
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Yep - why is there a "k" at your user name?
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It's the name of a painting. As a rule Artists can not spellcheck
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2022 00:52 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 124 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Help, ElectrickVice writes:
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What is wrong with you people?
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What do you mean you people... but to answer you question so so many things.
In all seriousness, I can not image a situation where inflating inventory numbers
benefits anyone. Just headaches as far as the eye can see.
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Yep - why is there a "k" at your user name?
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Perhaps it is an alternative spelling, like Infiniti or STAR WNRS.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2022 06:56 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 109 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, wildchicken13 writes:
| | Perhaps it is an alternative spelling, like Infiniti or STAR WNRS.
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Impossible for me to read that as anything other than STAR WIENERS. And now you
can't unsee it either.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2022 08:57 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, peregrinator writes:
| | In Help, wildchicken13 writes:
| | Perhaps it is an alternative spelling, like Infiniti or STAR WNRS.
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Impossible for me to read that as anything other than STAR WIENERS. And now you
can't unsee it either.
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I always read that as STAR WINNERS. Lepin is a Chinese company and in China everyone
wants to be a winner. I mean, who doesn't want to be a winner?
Star Wieners would make a good name for a hot dog restaurant.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2022 10:57 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| To be clear my intention wasn't to attack anyone - sorry if it came off like
that - and I wasn't offended since I know my inventory, while undoubtedly
not perfect, isn't exaggerated.
My thought was more that if we don't use BL's existing tools against
scammers and fraudulent sellers, then what use are new tools? If you don't
want to leave negative feedback, start an NSS, make a PayPal claim, then are
you going to start a process under which a seller can be fined or subject to
other sanctions?
That's all.
In Help, peregrinator writes:
| | In Help, eaglem1 writes:
| | I did leave negative feedback and one of the stores don't exist anymore because
of the NSS left by so many.
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I only see one negative feedback in your history, that was left over a year ago.
Is that not accurate? Feedback doesn't get deleted when a store is suspended
or banned.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2022 08:02 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, peregrinator writes:
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My thought was more that if we don't use BL's existing tools against
scammers and fraudulent sellers, then what use are new tools? If you don't
want to leave negative feedback, start an NSS, make a PayPal claim, then are
you going to start a process under which a seller can be fined or subject to
other sanctions?
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My 2-cents about this (and it may be long winded, but bear with me) …
Every order deserves to have some closing remarks left by both parties. The word
‘deserves’ is where we begin. When BL first started out (way back when) pretty
much everyone buying and selling were AFOLs. Any others probably accounted for
less than 5%. A simplistic feedback system was built, and it covered the vast
majority of cases and worked well.
As time passed, the reason for buying here began to morph. To be sure AFOLs were
still present, but their share of the pie was decreasing. In came two other buyer
types … those engaged in retail arbitrage and those needing to buy just one set
(or two) who had already scrounged eBay (and later Amazon) with no success. The
latter group had a lesser likelihood of leaving FB. The people engaged in retail
arbitrage might, or might not, leave feedback. A few would manipulate the feedback
for economic gain. That is not how/why BL’s feedback system was originally implemented.
It needs to be understood (and very clearly) what is feedback, and what is missing
here. How a transaction is rated divides into two (big) silos, one has to do
with the happiness/sadness at the conclusion of the transaction, and the other
has to do with the hard cold facts (did the package arrive as expected, did the
contents match to the description, did the seller have to refund monies for unexpected
reasons, did the buyer lose monies on the transaction, etc). That second group
should not be subject to emotional views, but should be clear as a bell. The
emotional aspects (happy/sad) should be expressed apart.
The problem with BL’s current FB system is, it is trying to combine both of these
metrics into a simple positive/neutral/negative + remarks. That has the ability
to skew how a seller’s performance is being rated, and conversely cause sellers
(and to a lesser extent buyers) behavior. No one wants to have less than a 100%
rating, but things happen, and sometimes they are very minor (a molehill) but
quickly escalate in something major (a mountain).
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2022 09:12 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink Supports Inventory Fraud | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | It needs to be understood (and very clearly) what is feedback, and what is missing
here. How a transaction is rated divides into two (big) silos, one has to do
with the happiness/sadness at the conclusion of the transaction, and the other
has to do with the hard cold facts (did the package arrive as expected, did the
contents match to the description, did the seller have to refund monies for unexpected
reasons, did the buyer lose monies on the transaction, etc). That second group
should not be subject to emotional views, but should be clear as a bell. The
emotional aspects (happy/sad) should be expressed apart.
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The problem with the 'cold facts' is that they are subjective too.
Did the package arrive as expected? This is subjective and different to did the
package arrive. People's expectations differ.
Did the contents match the description? Again subjective, since different people
have different views about description of condition.
Did the seller have to refunded for unexpected reasons? Also subjective, as to
what is expected or not.
Did the buyer lose money on the transaction? This is also subjective, especially
if the buyer ordered at a high price then regretted it.
Worse still, bricklink has no evidence at all where any of these are disputed.
They just have the views of one or both parties.
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