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| | | Author: | rankster  | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 10:27 | | Subject: | Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 165 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| I’ll need to activate the OSS sooner or later. Is it mandatory to charge VAT
on shipping costs and/or handling fees as well?
I heard once that if you charge the buyer exactly the same amount for the shipping
what you will pay at the Post Office then no VAT needs to be charged on that.
Is that an EU-wide general rule or varies country by country?
Plus anyone knows specific rules for Austria please?
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 10:56 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, rankster writes:
| | I’ll need to activate the OSS sooner or later.
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Not if you've exported to EU outside your Country for less than a total of
10000€
| | Is it mandatory to charge VAT
on shipping costs and/or handling fees as well?
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No, AFAIK, it's just like before.
| | I heard once that if you charge the buyer exactly the same amount for the shipping
what you will pay at the Post Office then no VAT needs to be charged on that.
Is that an EU-wide general rule or varies country by country?
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Country I guess.
Here in France it seems to be the case.
| | Plus anyone knows specific rules for Austria please?
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I wonder how we would knew more than you reading your own Laws 
Hoping you'll find an Austrian who could help?
Sylvain
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 10:59 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Help, rankster writes:
| | I’ll need to activate the OSS sooner or later.
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Not if you've exported to EU outside your Country for less than a total of
10000€
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... within the last 12 months - sorry, forgot to type this.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | rankster | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 12:14 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Not if you've exported to EU outside your Country for less than a total of
10000€
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... within the last 12 months - sorry, forgot to type this.
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Are you 100% sure? My accountant told me that it resets on January 1st so let's
say you earned €9999 until December 31st, 2021 then you earned €1 more on January
1st, 2022 you didn't need to activate OSS yet since it was reset on January
1st.
So I guess it's not calculated for the past 12 months, it is calculated like
this:
01/07/2021 - 31/12/2021
01/01/2022 - 31/12/2022
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 12:48 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, rankster writes:
| | In Help, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Not if you've exported to EU outside your Country for less than a total of
10000€
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... within the last 12 months - sorry, forgot to type this.
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Are you 100% sure? My accountant told me that it resets on January 1st so let's
say you earned €9999 until December 31st, 2021 then you earned €1 more on January
1st, 2022 you didn't need to activate OSS yet since it was reset on January
1st.
So I guess it's not calculated for the past 12 months, it is calculated like
this:
01/07/2021 - 31/12/2021
01/01/2022 - 31/12/2022
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Yes, for your tax agency, it is counted from the start of your fiscal year. But
Bricklink counts it as "one year rolling" - meaning the moment that you hit €10000
in any 365 day time window, you need to apply the local VAT rate.
So, Bricklink is a little bit more strict - If your pattern per half year would
be like this:
€0, €6000, €6000, €0
Then for the tax agency it's twice €6000 a year so no need to register, but
for Bricklink you crossed the threshold within a year timeframe so you need to
register. This is probably because Bricklink cannot know when your fiscal year
starts and ends, so a year rolling is the best they can do.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 12:58 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | Yes, for your tax agency, it is counted from the start of your fiscal year. But
Bricklink counts it as "one year rolling" - meaning the moment that you hit €10000
in any 365 day time window, you need to apply the local VAT rate.
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Yep, AFAIK anyway...
| | This is probably because Bricklink cannot know when your fiscal year
starts and ends, so a year rolling is the best they can do.
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Exact.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | rankster | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2022 12:31 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Teup writes:
| | So, Bricklink is a little bit more strict
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I’m wondering how is it possible that some (if not most) of the biggest EU stores
haven’t turned on OSS yet? They might calculate the VAT of each country manually
using their own invoicing system?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2022 13:21 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, rankster writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | So, Bricklink is a little bit more strict
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I’m wondering how is it possible that some (if not most) of the biggest EU stores
haven’t turned on OSS yet? They might calculate the VAT of each country manually
using their own invoicing system?
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The problem is that they would lose money on orders to countries with higher
VAT rates as how the system is implemented by Bricklink, I was able to make a
fix for it with a lot of shipping methods.
Here is one method for Hungary where it is 27% VAT instead of 21% VAT that is
in Spain.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | rankster | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2022 16:52 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Stellar writes:
| | The problem is that they would lose money on orders to countries with higher
VAT rates as how the system is implemented by Bricklink, I was able to make a
fix for it with a lot of shipping methods.
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I think that is not the case here, these sellers still ship to Hungary while
charging their own VAT rate as before. So I don’t know what could be the reason
of not activating OSS yet. They must have reached the €10K limit in a week or
so. Of course it’s not hurting me, I was just wondering but I still don’t have
the answer.
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Here is one method for Hungary where it is 27% VAT instead of 21% VAT that is
in Spain.
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Thanks for sharing, it looks to be a good solution (not for hungarian buyers
tho).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2022 15:34 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, rankster writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | So, Bricklink is a little bit more strict
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I’m wondering how is it possible that some (if not most) of the biggest EU stores
haven’t turned on OSS yet? They might calculate the VAT of each country manually
using their own invoicing system?
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That's what I would do, yes, but even so, Bricklink simply won't let
you sell past 10K without turning it on. So if big stores didn't turn on
the OSS setting then that's very strange, yes.
I suspect that soon I will reach Bricklink's threshold although I'm planning
to use OSS not before July. Hopefully BL will allow me to keep selling until
then if I show them paperwork that proves my fiscal years starts on 1 Jan.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | rankster | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2022 16:41 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Teup writes:
| | That's what I would do, yes, but even so, Bricklink simply won't let
you sell past 10K without turning it on. So if big stores didn't turn on
the OSS setting then that's very strange, yes.
I suspect that soon I will reach Bricklink's threshold although I'm planning
to use OSS not before July. Hopefully BL will allow me to keep selling until
then if I show them paperwork that proves my fiscal years starts on 1 Jan.
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Might be a stupid question but how could a fiscal year start other than 1st of
January if the company / self employment status was already started year(s) ago?
For example if someone started business on 1st of August, their fiscal year will
start on 1st of August but the next fiscal year will start on 1st of January
next year. Or their fiscal year will start on 1st of August every year?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2022 18:09 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, rankster writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | That's what I would do, yes, but even so, Bricklink simply won't let
you sell past 10K without turning it on. So if big stores didn't turn on
the OSS setting then that's very strange, yes.
I suspect that soon I will reach Bricklink's threshold although I'm planning
to use OSS not before July. Hopefully BL will allow me to keep selling until
then if I show them paperwork that proves my fiscal years starts on 1 Jan.
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Might be a stupid question but how could a fiscal year start other than 1st of
January if the company / self employment status was already started year(s) ago?
For example if someone started business on 1st of August, their fiscal year will
start on 1st of August but the next fiscal year will start on 1st of January
next year. Or their fiscal year will start on 1st of August every year?
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In France, you can choose:
— When the company starts (the first time), even if it’s past (not sure how long
in the past though).
— What is your fiscal year (and the first one may be longer than 12 months, or
shorter, you choose).
Of course, it’s often easier to just choose Jan. 1st, as everybody use that…
plus you get till April 30th to fill the paperwork instead of end-of-year+3-months.
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| | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 11:17 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, rankster writes:
| | I’ll need to activate the OSS sooner or later. Is it mandatory to charge VAT
on shipping costs and/or handling fees as well?
I heard once that if you charge the buyer exactly the same amount for the shipping
what you will pay at the Post Office then no VAT needs to be charged on that.
Is that an EU-wide general rule or varies country by country?
Plus anyone knows specific rules for Austria please?
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If it is a rule, it's certainly not EU wide - in the NL, the rule is that
you charge on shipping the same VAT rate as you do on the thing that you ship.
However, whether or not you enable the option on Bricklink is of course a separate
topic. I've set my account to not charge VAT on shipping, when of course
I do. This helps me keep the shipping table simple. All my international customers
pay the same shipping rates but for EU this includes VAT, which nicely aligns
with the fact that postage costs within the EU are cheaper as well.
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 11:19 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | I've set my account to not charge VAT on shipping, when of course
I do. This helps me keep the shipping table simple. All my international customers
pay the same shipping rates but for EU this includes VAT, which nicely aligns
with the fact that postage costs within the EU are cheaper as well.
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Oh you're smart, you know?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 12:48 | | Subject: | Re: Activating OSS - VAT on shipping and fees | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | I've set my account to not charge VAT on shipping, when of course
I do. This helps me keep the shipping table simple. All my international customers
pay the same shipping rates but for EU this includes VAT, which nicely aligns
with the fact that postage costs within the EU are cheaper as well.
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Oh you're smart, you know?
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The combination of experience and laziness will do that 
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France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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