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| | | | | Author: | leggodtshop  | | Posted: | Jan 4, 2022 17:39 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 95 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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Great! I would like to see the recorded session. Will it be available shortly
after the life session?
Thank you,
Paul
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| | | | | | | Author: | CE_Tanja | | Posted: | Jan 4, 2022 22:05 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 102 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Hi Paul,
Yes, we will share a link as soon as we can after the meeting to be on the
safe side, please share your email with me, that way you will have access to
the recording in the meeting chat as soon as it is done.
In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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Great! I would like to see the recorded session. Will it be available shortly
after the life session?
Thank you,
Paul
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| | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jan 4, 2022 19:50 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Thanks for taking this approach, I will be there 
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
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For easier conversion to EU sellers, that is Friday at 18:00 to 19:00 CET
time.
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During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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| | | | | | | Author: | CE_Tanja | | Posted: | Jan 4, 2022 22:06 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| That is great to hear! Thank you.
In Administrative, Stellar writes:
| | Thanks for taking this approach, I will be there
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
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For easier conversion to EU sellers, that is Friday at 18:00 to 19:00 CET
time.
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During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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| | | | | Author: | dreambuilder71 | | Posted: | Jan 5, 2022 07:34 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Hi Tanja and congrats on your almost first year at BrickLink. 🤗
Will this talk help us ship overseas at a cheaper price?
From Canada to, let's say England (UK), a small package of figs at only 400
grams cost $60! And a small set at 700 grams is $80! That's with tracking
if the buyer uses PayPal!
So I've had to stop shipping overseas cause of high shipping prices no one
will pay! 😥
Best regards,
James
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 5, 2022 10:21 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | From Canada to, let's say England (UK), a small package of figs at only 400
grams cost $60!
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Neither Canada nor the UK are in the EU, so I doubt that will come up in a session
about EU distance selling.
The original thread, and all the comments and concerns are here:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1315372
The EU distance selling feature tool was introduced as ... "We have released
our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have reached the EUR
annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold." If you (and me) are not in that
group, I doubt the session is for you (and me).
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| | | | | | | Author: | CE_Tanja | | Posted: | Jan 5, 2022 15:31 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Dear Dreambuilder71,
Thank you for your kind words, I am afraid this has no impact n the shipping
cost.
In Administrative, dreambuilder71 writes:
| | Hi Tanja and congrats on your almost first year at BrickLink. 🤗
Will this talk help us ship overseas at a cheaper price?
From Canada to, let's say England (UK), a small package of figs at only 400
grams cost $60! And a small set at 700 grams is $80! That's with tracking
if the buyer uses PayPal!
So I've had to stop shipping overseas cause of high shipping prices no one
will pay! 😥
Best regards,
James
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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| | | | | Author: | watch505 | | Posted: | Jan 5, 2022 09:54 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Tanya,
Will there be a future session regarding business to business sales and tax exemption
in the USA?
Kind Regards,
Andrew
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| | | | | | | Author: | CE_Tanja | | Posted: | Jan 5, 2022 15:35 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Hi Andrew,
That is an option, for now we are planning a focus group meeting this month on
the Tax exemption topic with a smaller select group of sellers, in this meeting
we will ensure that we (including our Tax team) understand the need in details.
After this, we will involve the sellers to get a better understanding of the
number of sellers this would benefit by explaining exactly what is required in
order to be tax exempt.
The reason for going about it this way is to ensure that if and when we decide
to implement this, we are able to proper prioritize this with other features
based on the impact of the sellers in general.
More info on this to follow.
In Administrative, watch505 writes:
| | Tanya,
Will there be a future session regarding business to business sales and tax exemption
in the USA?
Kind Regards,
Andrew
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | watch505 | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2022 09:49 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Tanya,
Thank you for your reply. I think the concern is the community was told this
issue was decided at a meeting and now it appears that bricklink is starting
over on a decision that was already made over a year ago:
Author: Admin_Russell
Posted: Jan 22, 2021 15:59
Subject: Re: US State sales tax - additional states
In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
Yes. We have determined this is a definite need for our customer base and we
are moving forward with it. The first step is to meet with our third-party service
who calculates the tax for us. Then we will need to set up a method of receiving
and retaining the exemption documents.
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| | | | | Author: | CE_Tanja | | Posted: | Jan 5, 2022 16:54 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Dear all,
We are receiving a lot of sign ups for the meeting which is great! We are able
to have 1000 people in the session instead of the expected 350 so don't hesitate
to sign up if you haven't already done so.
We will be sharing a link with you no later than tomorrow 10am PST, should you
have signed up and not received a link by then, please let me know and I will
make sure to add you.
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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| | | | | Author: | CE_Tanja | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2022 13:49 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Everyone that signed up should have an invitation now, if you have not received
it please let me know. Also feel free to check that the link is working ahead
of time.
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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| | | | | Author: | CE_Tanja | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2022 22:02 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 186 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Dear all,
The webinar reg. EU Distance selling took place today. First of all thank you
to every one who participated and shared very valuable input, questions, etc.
As promised below is a link to the recording of the meeting, what you are not
able to see in the recording are all the comments and questions, and there were
a lot! we will be taking some time to group the input and the questions and share
our responses to these with all of you.
Please find the link to the meeting recording here:
https://bricklink.s3.amazonaws.com/EU+Distance+selling-20220107.mp4
Have a great weekend!
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2022 05:57 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Thank you for yesterday! I really appreciate this initiative. Nice to see transparency
and honesty and feel like our input is taken seriously. Will definitely attend
again if there will be more sessions in the future!
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear all,
The webinar reg. EU Distance selling took place today. First of all thank you
to every one who participated and shared very valuable input, questions, etc.
As promised below is a link to the recording of the meeting, what you are not
able to see in the recording are all the comments and questions, and there were
a lot! we will be taking some time to group the input and the questions and share
our responses to these with all of you.
Please find the link to the meeting recording here:
https://bricklink.s3.amazonaws.com/EU+Distance+selling-20220107.mp4
Have a great weekend!
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | CE_Tanja | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2022 09:37 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Thank you Teup!
Based on the response to the meeting we will definitely have more of these sessions
going forward.
In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | Thank you for yesterday! I really appreciate this initiative. Nice to see transparency
and honesty and feel like our input is taken seriously. Will definitely attend
again if there will be more sessions in the future!
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear all,
The webinar reg. EU Distance selling took place today. First of all thank you
to every one who participated and shared very valuable input, questions, etc.
As promised below is a link to the recording of the meeting, what you are not
able to see in the recording are all the comments and questions, and there were
a lot! we will be taking some time to group the input and the questions and share
our responses to these with all of you.
Please find the link to the meeting recording here:
https://bricklink.s3.amazonaws.com/EU+Distance+selling-20220107.mp4
Have a great weekend!
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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| | | | | | | Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2022 08:21 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear all,
The webinar reg. EU Distance selling took place today. First of all thank you
to every one who participated and shared very valuable input, questions, etc.
Please find the link to the meeting recording here:
https://bricklink.s3.amazonaws.com/EU+Distance+selling-20220107.mp4
Have a great weekend!
| | The BrickLink Marketplace team
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Hi Tanya and Team,
thank you. It was a most important meeting.
Please continue to adress such upcoming changes in future, and maybe even ahead
of its time.
So as a conclusion, it just confirmed my opinion of not joining the IOSS-Crew.
The fact that the VAT is calculated "Crude or incorrectly" was a big letdown
for me.
However i can understand you went for this route because the bricklink system
itself is unable to handle NET prices on such a level.
So if you could have added the countryspecific VAT-Rate on top of our Netprices,
it could have been handled, but i won´t let me deduct some 5% to 27% from my
German Total/Gross pricing, and that even on handling and shipping.
I am sorry. Thanks, but no thanks.
Which leaves us in an even tighter spot.
Dear buyer from the European Union reading this.
Don´t hesitate on getting your parts needed, there is just a narrow timeframe.
Some time in spring to summer i (we as other sellers) might not be allowed to
deliver your items within the European Union anymore then, because the threshold
is reached.
That means for you, further orders are only possible from January 2023 then,
or as a registered business with an confirmed VAT-ID (B2B-Sale).
Sorry for this, but my friends from the EU - if you need something, Hurry up.
For all other buyers - Exports outside the EU are not affected by this, and maybe
the only business left alongside domestic sales after spring/summer.
Have a nice weekend
Tom
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2022 09:13 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, TBS writes:
| | Dear buyer from the European Union reading this.
Don´t hesitate on getting your parts needed, there is just a narrow timeframe.
Some time in spring to summer i (we as other sellers) might not be allowed to
deliver your items within the European Union anymore then, because the threshold
is reached.
That means for you, further orders are only possible from January 2023 then,
or as a registered business with an confirmed VAT-ID (B2B-Sale).
Sorry for this, but my friends from the EU - if you need something, Hurry up.
For all other buyers - Exports outside the EU are not affected by this, and maybe
the only business left alongside domestic sales after spring/summer.
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Is this because when one reaches the 10K (?) treshold, one is regarded a 'business'
with different tax regulations?
If so: split you shop into multiple sales-depending-sizes: 1 for 9K, another
for the next 9K etc. This will bypass the treshold I guess?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2022 09:44 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | Is this because when one reaches the 10K (?) treshold, one is regarded a 'business'
with different tax regulations?
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Not really, becasue you are a business to begin with.
Thing here is: If your company gone over the 10K treshold on sales from EU to
EU,
you are obliged to register for OSS and redo all your invoices and tax-reports,
because you must pay the specific country VAT-Rate then to that specific country.
As far as i know, that OSS-System is doing this combined, so you don´t have to
register and file your reports anymore and payments in each 1 of 29 EU States
yourself like before.
But you have to redo it anyway. And then are obliged for it the next years.
That´s why me and some sellers more refuse to be trapped in that beurocratic
nightmare beforehand.
Which leaves us left, in blocking all orders and sales, once we get close to
that 10k Threshold.
| | If so: split you shop into multiple sales-depending-sizes: 1 for 9K, another
for the next 9K etc. This will bypass the treshold I guess?
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Sorry, useless, because it´s the WHOLE EU to EU turnover of your company regardless
of branch or "daughter company".
If you establish several (say 10) separate PLC´s (don´t have the international
name for it, i mean businesses owned by many shares, not a single individual.)
which are selling as 10 different companies on the plattform it might work, but
that´s useless advice because founding that companies is costing way much more
capital than what you could earn from that 10K.
If you are allowed to sell as private individual (Hobby seller) in your country,
you are not subject to that Distance selling rules, because you might have much
less than these 10K of sales allowed as private anyway. Otherwise they might
force you into becoming a company because to high turnover. In Germany there
are harsh rules for that, but please check that for your homeland yourself -
can be very different there.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2022 09:52 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, TBS writes:
| | | | Is this because when one reaches the 10K (?) treshold, one is regarded a 'business'
with different tax regulations?
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Not really, becasue you are a business to begin with.
Thing here is: If your company gone over the 10K treshold on sales from EU to
EU,
you are obliged to register for OSS and redo all your invoices and tax-reports,
because you must pay the specific country VAT-Rate then to that specific country.
As far as i know, that OSS-System is doing this combined, so you don´t have to
register and file your reports anymore and payments in each 1 of 29 EU States
yourself like before.
But you have to redo it anyway. And then are obliged for it the next years.
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Germany has more strict rules maybe? I read in a Dutch explanation that you need
to apply the local VAT rate from the first invoice in which you exceed 10K for
that fiscal year. So nothing needs to be revised.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2022 09:47 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, StarBrick writes:
| | […]
Is this because when one reaches the 10K (?) treshold, one is regarded a 'business'
with different tax regulations?
If so: split you shop into multiple sales-depending-sizes: 1 for 9K, another
for the next 9K etc. This will bypass the treshold I guess?
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Would you suggest I tell the revenue service: “I don’t owe income tax: my imaginary
twin brother and I are sharing my salary and this way each of us is below the
threshold,” and to invent as many imaginary siblings as I need? Because that’s
how I understand your suggestion here 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2022 09:43 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, TBS writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear all,
The webinar reg. EU Distance selling took place today. First of all thank you
to every one who participated and shared very valuable input, questions, etc.
Please find the link to the meeting recording here:
https://bricklink.s3.amazonaws.com/EU+Distance+selling-20220107.mp4
Have a great weekend!
| | The BrickLink Marketplace team
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Hi Tanya and Team,
thank you. It was a most important meeting.
Please continue to adress such upcoming changes in future, and maybe even ahead
of its time.
So as a conclusion, it just confirmed my opinion of not joining the IOSS-Crew.
The fact that the VAT is calculated "Crude or incorrectly" was a big letdown
for me.
However i can understand you went for this route because the bricklink system
itself is unable to handle NET prices on such a level.
So if you could have added the countryspecific VAT-Rate on top of our Netprices,
it could have been handled, but i won´t let me deduct some 5% to 27% from my
German Total/Gross pricing, and that even on handling and shipping.
I am sorry. Thanks, but no thanks.
Which leaves us in an even tighter spot.
Dear buyer from the European Union reading this.
Don´t hesitate on getting your parts needed, there is just a narrow timeframe.
Some time in spring to summer i (we as other sellers) might not be allowed to
deliver your items within the European Union anymore then, because the threshold
is reached.
That means for you, further orders are only possible from January 2023 then,
or as a registered business with an confirmed VAT-ID (B2B-Sale).
Sorry for this, but my friends from the EU - if you need something, Hurry up.
For all other buyers - Exports outside the EU are not affected by this, and maybe
the only business left alongside domestic sales after spring/summer.
Have a nice weekend
Tom
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Hi Tom, while I agree with you the implementation is fundamentally incorrect
(violates price discrimination law plus is annoying for bookkeeping), to take
a pragmatic angle: Is it really that big a problem that it is worth giving up
a portion of your sales?
As for the price discrimination part, I don't expect we can get into trouble
as individual sellers since we don't have an option to change it. And in
case you happen to be a seller who calculates the cost of good sold based on
the turnover: You could always take the inc.VAT price of the annual sales, deduct
VAT as if they were all German customers, and from that hypothetic 'ex.VAT'
amount calculate cost of goods sold.
And if it's because you apply margin VAT, contact the helpdesk: They're
still figuring this out and maybe they can help you.
The call gave me confidence that the reason Bricklink is not improving this is
completely because of the limited resources, and that Bricklink understands full
well that this is is a poor patch that needs to be revised eventually. So there's
no real reason to stop selling out of protest, either.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2022 10:12 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | Hi Tom, while I agree with you the implementation is fundamentally incorrect
(violates price discrimination law plus is annoying for bookkeeping), to take
a pragmatic angle:
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Hi, just replied above your post, some bits of reply in there.
Fine you agree on the implementation side of things.
| | Is it really that big a problem that it is worth giving up
a portion of your sales?
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Yes and no. The price for opening the pandora´s box is to much for me.
I refuse their buerocratic BS.
1st. I would have to redo all invoices and tax reports once i crossed that threshold.
2nd. All that is only starting from that point on, meaning i must start making
new forms for my invoices for 29 countries as bricklink invoices are "not legal"
i.e. meeting the requirements of the german tax authorities.
3rd. I am not sure if an excess turnover above that threshold is worth all the
hassle.
A company who has some 100K´s or a million turnover within the EU can easily
do this, but if i may reach say a 15K or 20K a year or similar, i wonder if that
little profit from the extra 5K on top is enough to adress all the extra paperwork
and cost you are charged for than.
4th. The whole regulation is clearly made to slowly drive smaller shops out of
business because they want to giant ones to take over. Plus the EU Buerocrats
can never have enough money (and stupid ideas) anyway.
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As for the price discrimination part, I don't expect we can get into trouble
as individual sellers since we don't have an option to change it. And in
case you happen to be a seller who calculates the cost of good sold based on
the turnover: You could always take the inc.VAT price of the annual sales, deduct
VAT as if they were all German customers, and from that hypothetic 'ex.VAT'
amount calculate cost of goods sold.
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That´s right. It wouldn´t be a problem to give away 27% on some sales,
but you have to put up all new invoices for that. (Since the BL ones don´t count
in Germany)
If that works legally in your Country you can save a lot of paperwork.
| | And if it's because you apply margin VAT, contact the helpdesk: They're
still figuring this out and maybe they can help you.
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Can´t apply that, because of already registered VAT Member.
You have to register for Margin-Rule when founding your Company and then say
, you will never sell anything than USED items anyway from start.
As i know you can´t switch between those once your Company is running.
| | The call gave me confidence that the reason Bricklink is not improving this is
completely because of the limited resources, and that Bricklink understands full
well that this is is a poor patch that needs to be revised eventually.
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Agree on this, they (try to) do so something to handle this on a worldwide scale,
which
is honourable and to be thanked for.
| | So there's no real reason to stop selling out of protest, either.
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Depends on your business type or scale - see answer point 3rd.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2022 10:13 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, TBS writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear all,
The webinar reg. EU Distance selling took place today. First of all thank you
to every one who participated and shared very valuable input, questions, etc.
Please find the link to the meeting recording here:
https://bricklink.s3.amazonaws.com/EU+Distance+selling-20220107.mp4
Have a great weekend!
| | The BrickLink Marketplace team
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|
Hi Tanya and Team,
thank you. It was a most important meeting.
Please continue to adress such upcoming changes in future, and maybe even ahead
of its time.
So as a conclusion, it just confirmed my opinion of not joining the IOSS-Crew.
The fact that the VAT is calculated "Crude or incorrectly" was a big letdown
for me.
However i can understand you went for this route because the bricklink system
itself is unable to handle NET prices on such a level.
So if you could have added the countryspecific VAT-Rate on top of our Netprices,
it could have been handled, but i won´t let me deduct some 5% to 27% from my
German Total/Gross pricing, and that even on handling and shipping.
I am sorry. Thanks, but no thanks.
Which leaves us in an even tighter spot.
Dear buyer from the European Union reading this.
Don´t hesitate on getting your parts needed, there is just a narrow timeframe.
Some time in spring to summer i (we as other sellers) might not be allowed to
deliver your items within the European Union anymore then, because the threshold
is reached.
That means for you, further orders are only possible from January 2023 then,
or as a registered business with an confirmed VAT-ID (B2B-Sale).
Sorry for this, but my friends from the EU - if you need something, Hurry up.
For all other buyers - Exports outside the EU are not affected by this, and maybe
the only business left alongside domestic sales after spring/summer.
Have a nice weekend
Tom
|
Hi Tom, while I agree with you the implementation is fundamentally incorrect
(violates price discrimination law plus is annoying for bookkeeping), to take
a pragmatic angle: Is it really that big a problem that it is worth giving up
a portion of your sales?
As for the price discrimination part, I don't expect we can get into trouble
as individual sellers since we don't have an option to change it. And in
case you happen to be a seller who calculates the cost of good sold based on
the turnover: You could always take the inc.VAT price of the annual sales, deduct
VAT as if they were all German customers, and from that hypothetic 'ex.VAT'
amount calculate cost of goods sold.
And if it's because you apply margin VAT, contact the helpdesk: They're
still figuring this out and maybe they can help you.
The call gave me confidence that the reason Bricklink is not improving this is
completely because of the limited resources, and that Bricklink understands full
well that this is is a poor patch that needs to be revised eventually. So there's
no real reason to stop selling out of protest, either.
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Also they suggested using the Handling Fees feature in a shipping method to add
a % fee to the countries with greater VAT so the total is more correct with your
net costs.
As Teup said, BL knows its not the best way but its what they could do with the
current site. They are working in a refactoring that would have this kind of
issue in mind to better accommodate the needs of sellers and regulations.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2022 10:39 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | Also they suggested using the Handling Fees feature in a shipping method to add
a % fee to the countries with greater VAT so the total is more correct with your
net costs.
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That approach might work in some "free" or loose EU-Countries who spit on the
Bruxxeles madness.
I doubt that "members from X are charged xyz% on top of your order as handling
fees is "working". Having December 2018 here in mind. (look it up, if not sure
what that hint is about.)
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| | | | | Author: | CE_Tanja | | Posted: | Mar 7, 2022 13:49 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 212 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Dear all,
During the EU Distance selling webinar a lot of questions were asked in the chat,
together with our tax specialists we have answered these to the best of our ability,
please find the Q&A here:
https://bricklink.s3.amazonaws.com/EU+Distace+Selling+Questions+-+Final.pdf
Hopefully this will she a bit more light.
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 7, 2022 13:59 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
Nice!
Thanks for the time and energy taken to write those pages!
Much much appreciated.
Sylvain
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 7, 2022 16:58 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
Thanks Tanja, great reading (though it seems to me that a few answers are only
understandable if you already know the answer…  ).
For the last question “What does it mean to be a ‘Global Marketplace Owner’,”
I think it actually was a very litteral question on the “owner” term / position.
Few non-native speakers or people not involved with international corporations
know “owner” does not only mean “proprietor” but also “skipper” or “leader”
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| | | | | | | Author: | rankster | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2022 03:55 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 87 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
Dear Tanja,
“A: The 10,000 EUR threshold is based on the item base price that is sold only.
Shipping, VAT and
other additional charges are not considered part of the threshold calculations”
Does the answer above stand for all EU member states? Is it 100% sure that shipping
costs and any additional fees are not the part of the 10K? Are these not part
of the calculations by BrickLink or by my local Tax Authorities? It can make
a big difference…
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2022 09:02 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | “A: The 10,000 EUR threshold is based on the item base price that is sold only.
Shipping, VAT and
other additional charges are not considered part of the threshold calculations”
Does the answer above stand for all EU member states?
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AFAIK, yes.
| | Is it 100% sure that shipping
costs and any additional fees are not the part of the 10K?
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AFAIK, yes.
And BrickLink tells you so
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | rankster | | Posted: | Mar 25, 2022 08:24 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | “A: The 10,000 EUR threshold is based on the item base price that is sold only.
Shipping, VAT and
other additional charges are not considered part of the threshold calculations”
Does the answer above stand for all EU member states?
|
AFAIK, yes.
| | Is it 100% sure that shipping
costs and any additional fees are not the part of the 10K?
|
AFAIK, yes.
And BrickLink tells you so
|
Well I consulted with my tax advisor and the sad news is that ALL kind of form
of income is part of the threshold calculation, including shipping fees, handling
fees, etc. It might be difference in France but I doubt it since it’s an EU wide
thing to follow.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 25, 2022 08:53 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, rankster writes:
| | In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | “A: The 10,000 EUR threshold is based on the item base price that is sold only.
Shipping, VAT and
other additional charges are not considered part of the threshold calculations”
Does the answer above stand for all EU member states?
|
AFAIK, yes.
| | Is it 100% sure that shipping
costs and any additional fees are not the part of the 10K?
|
AFAIK, yes.
And BrickLink tells you so
|
Well I consulted with my tax advisor and the sad news is that ALL kind of form
of income is part of the threshold calculation, including shipping fees, handling
fees, etc.
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Well he may be wrong; MANY people are!
Please don't trust an adviser, read it on EU or your Country WRITTEN Laws/Regulations?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | rankster | | Posted: | Mar 25, 2022 15:12 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Administrative, rankster writes:
| | In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | “A: The 10,000 EUR threshold is based on the item base price that is sold only.
Shipping, VAT and
other additional charges are not considered part of the threshold calculations”
Does the answer above stand for all EU member states?
|
AFAIK, yes.
| | Is it 100% sure that shipping
costs and any additional fees are not the part of the 10K?
|
AFAIK, yes.
And BrickLink tells you so
|
Well I consulted with my tax advisor and the sad news is that ALL kind of form
of income is part of the threshold calculation, including shipping fees, handling
fees, etc.
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Well he may be wrong; MANY people are!
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I really hope he’s not wrong for €120/hour…
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Please don't trust an adviser, read it on EU or your Country WRITTEN Laws/Regulations?
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I’m not an expert of law and don’t want to read loads of pages hoping I’ll find
the needed info so it’s better trust someone who has the knowledge and knows
what he’s doing.
Lesson learned, it’s totally pointless to ask about laws and regulations on this
forum, nobody would take the responsibility for false information.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 25, 2022 16:38 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 25, 2022 19:40 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| (typos corrected)
| | Lesson learned, it’s totally pointless to ask about laws and regulations on this
forum, nobody would take the responsibility for false information.
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It's not the real problem.
I'm not even sure of this info at this point; but this to YOU to search and
be sure.
The other point is WHY?
I mean, OK say you've 5% or 10% fees and shipping, it's not going to
make a big difference (apart if you're really close to this threshold of
10K€).
If you really wish to stay under the threshold, and if you're not rarely
selling International, it's going to be VERY complicated.
Suppose on October you're at 7950€ and you get a 2000€ order.
You're now at 9950€!
So, you will have to close your shop for the 2 remaining months in order
to stay above.
Is this really how you want to manage it?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Krekeltje62 | | Posted: | Jul 4, 2022 14:01 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, rankster writes:
| | In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | “A: The 10,000 EUR threshold is based on the item base price that is sold only.
Shipping, VAT and
other additional charges are not considered part of the threshold calculations”
Does the answer above stand for all EU member states?
|
AFAIK, yes.
| | Is it 100% sure that shipping
costs and any additional fees are not the part of the 10K?
|
AFAIK, yes.
And BrickLink tells you so
|
Well I consulted with my tax advisor and the sad news is that ALL kind of form
of income is part of the threshold calculation, including shipping fees, handling
fees, etc. It might be difference in France but I doubt it since it’s an EU wide
thing to follow.
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You are correct, revenue = revenue. You only have to discard any VAT added (when
applicable), You are passing your costs to the buyer which makes it revenue for
you. Bricklink is wrong ! Calculation tool is therfor useless.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Mar 9, 2022 05:56 | | Subject: | Re: EU distance selling - Online session | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear all,
During the EU Distance selling webinar a lot of questions were asked in the chat,
together with our tax specialists we have answered these to the best of our ability,
please find the Q&A here:
https://bricklink.s3.amazonaws.com/EU+Distace+Selling+Questions+-+Final.pdf
Hopefully this will she a bit more light.
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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Thanks Tanja for the summary FAQ all is well explained.
Could you add a link to it in the help pages and update where is says this will
be implemented at a later date?
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517
Sergio
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| | | | | Author: | Steentjeswereld | | Posted: | Sep 8, 2022 10:23 | | Subject: | EU distance selling not working | | Viewed: | 107 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Dear CE_Tanja,
I am a Dutch seller who have just exceeded the threshold of €10,000,-
We filled in and uploaded the OSS-distance selling in november 2021 as requested
to make sure we can sell in all EU countries and calculate the correct VAT rate
for every EU country.
But we are blocked for selling to other EU countries because of the threshold
of €10,000,-.
But the OSS-document make sure we can sell above €10.000,- abroad.
In short: The OSS-distance selling don't work, while all forms are filled
in correcty by us. Could you advice us on how to proceed?
We are a professional company with employees and we are missing a lot of EU orders
now, so this is really hurting our business at the moment. Hopefully you can
reply soon with a solution.
Awaiting your response,
Kindest regards,
Mennard Huizinga
Team Steentjeswereld
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
| | Dear BrickLink member,
We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST
During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.
In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.
There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.
Kind regards,
The BrickLink Marketplace team
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Netherlands, Overijssel
Spain, Comunidad Valenciana
Canada, Ontario
United Kingdom, England
Germany, Sachsen
France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
Austria, Wien
Belgium
