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| | | Author: | C0lsanders_  | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 07:30 | | Subject: | Second accounts | | Viewed: | 299 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Curious as to why I had a second account (that I only used, rarely, to test-order
in my store) removed by admins, when I see others that blatantly advertise that
they have a second account. And, a second store with that second account. Why
allow that, and not allow me an account to test new features and the like in
my store?
Not entirely a rant, by the way. Genuinely curious.
Miles (C0lsanders_)
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| | | | | Author: | tonnic | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 07:33 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 91 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, C0lsanders_ writes:
| | Curious as to why I had a second account (that I only used, rarely, to test-order
in my store) removed by admins, when I see others that blatantly advertise that
they have a second account. And, a second store with that second account. Why
allow that, and not allow me an account to test new features and the like in
my store?
Not entirely a rant, by the way. Genuinely curious.
Miles (C0lsanders_)
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I never saw those advertisements in the forum but I do not read all posts.
Maybe they do not have a second account on Bricklink (that isn’t allowed) but
at Brick🦉or somewhere else?
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| | | | | | | Author: | C0lsanders_ | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 08:45 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Second BL account. I didn't find it on the forum, but rather was in a store,
and the first line in their terms is to the effect of " visit our other store
here!" and they give a link to another BL store, with the same name (albeit "new
parts" tacked on to the end), with the same account name (plus 2 on the end).
One store for used, one for new. I had seen that before, but not in while. The
bigger store has 2,700 or so feedback I believe, so the guy is not new.
In General, tonnic writes:
| | In General, C0lsanders_ writes:
| | Curious as to why I had a second account (that I only used, rarely, to test-order
in my store) removed by admins, when I see others that blatantly advertise that
they have a second account. And, a second store with that second account. Why
allow that, and not allow me an account to test new features and the like in
my store?
Not entirely a rant, by the way. Genuinely curious.
Miles (C0lsanders_)
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I never saw those advertisements in the forum but I do not read all posts.
Maybe they do not have a second account on Bricklink (that isn’t allowed) but
at Brick🦉or somewhere else?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 08:52 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, C0lsanders_ writes:
| | Second BL account. I didn't find it on the forum, but rather was in a store,
and the first line in their terms is to the effect of " visit our other store
here!" and they give a link to another BL store, with the same name (albeit "new
parts" tacked on to the end), with the same account name (plus 2 on the end).
One store for used, one for new. I had seen that before, but not in while. The
bigger store has 2,700 or so feedback I believe, so the guy is not new.
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There are a few where a husband has one account and the wife another. Then some
where a private individual has an account and the same individual's company
has an account. Some (local) friends also allow buyers to buy from both stores
for one shipping fee.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Dec 1, 2021 16:44 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | Then some where a private individual has an account and the same individual's company
has an account.
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Yet this is also not allowed. I requested a second private account directly to
Russell in order to sell off my own personal childhood collection of used Lego
and was refused and so it seems I'm permenently restricted to only ever operating
as a business on Bricklink!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Dec 1, 2021 19:16 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Did you ask recently or awhile ago?
In General, infinibrix writes:
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Yet this is also not allowed. I requested a second private account directly to
Russell in order to sell off my own personal childhood collection of used Lego
and was refused and so it seems I'm permenently restricted to only ever operating
as a business on Bricklink!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Dec 1, 2021 19:59 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, zorbanj writes:
| | Did you ask recently or awhile ago?
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About a year ago!
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| | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 08:16 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, C0lsanders_ writes:
| | Curious as to why I had a second account (that I only used, rarely, to test-order
in my store) removed by admins, when I see others that blatantly advertise that
they have a second account. And, a second store with that second account. Why
allow that, and not allow me an account to test new features and the like in
my store?
Not entirely a rant, by the way. Genuinely curious.
Miles (C0lsanders_)
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Bricklink has even told us in the forum that it is acceptable to have a second
account for the purposes of testing your own store. So it would be a very odd
reason to remove it for just that. Are you sure you haven't (accidentally)
posted stuff on the forum or left feedback under that account?
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 08:37 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Teup writes:
| | In General, C0lsanders_ writes:
| | Curious as to why I had a second account (that I only used, rarely, to test-order
in my store) removed by admins, when I see others that blatantly advertise that
they have a second account. And, a second store with that second account. Why
allow that, and not allow me an account to test new features and the like in
my store?
Not entirely a rant, by the way. Genuinely curious.
Miles (C0lsanders_)
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Bricklink has even told us in the forum that it is acceptable to have a second
account for the purposes of testing your own store. So it would be a very odd
reason to remove it for just that. Are you sure you haven't (accidentally)
posted stuff on the forum or left feedback under that account?
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Maybe one admin saying something that another admin doesn't know about?
Policy made in the forum is nto a good diea since there is often no record of
it later on once the messages are removed. If they want to remove the ban on
second accounts then they should update the terms. They still state: You are
limited to one (1) account on this Site unless we have granted you permission
to have additional accounts, such permission being in our sole discretion.
Those rules indicate that you can only have one account unless you get permission
to have another (for whatever reason, even just for testing). If there is a general
rule that every seller is allowed a second account for testing only, that should
be given in the terms so everyone knows about it. If you still have to formally
ask for permission, then instructions on how to ask for that permission should
be in the terms. And obviously a record kept of it, so it is clear it is a testing
only account both to other members and staff.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 09:52 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | In General, Teup writes:
| | In General, C0lsanders_ writes:
| | Curious as to why I had a second account (that I only used, rarely, to test-order
in my store) removed by admins, when I see others that blatantly advertise that
they have a second account. And, a second store with that second account. Why
allow that, and not allow me an account to test new features and the like in
my store?
Not entirely a rant, by the way. Genuinely curious.
Miles (C0lsanders_)
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Bricklink has even told us in the forum that it is acceptable to have a second
account for the purposes of testing your own store. So it would be a very odd
reason to remove it for just that. Are you sure you haven't (accidentally)
posted stuff on the forum or left feedback under that account?
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Maybe one admin saying something that another admin doesn't know about?
Policy made in the forum is nto a good diea since there is often no record of
it later on once the messages are removed. If they want to remove the ban on
second accounts then they should update the terms. They still state: You are
limited to one (1) account on this Site unless we have granted you permission
to have additional accounts, such permission being in our sole discretion.
Those rules indicate that you can only have one account unless you get permission
to have another (for whatever reason, even just for testing). If there is a general
rule that every seller is allowed a second account for testing only, that should
be given in the terms so everyone knows about it. If you still have to formally
ask for permission, then instructions on how to ask for that permission should
be in the terms. And obviously a record kept of it, so it is clear it is a testing
only account both to other members and staff.
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1264926
Since Bricklink decided that the forum is pretty much the main and only form
of communication, I think we should take posts like these seriously and accept
them as policy. Russell refrains from making any statements on anything more
often than I can count, so whenever there is such a statement I take it seriously.
I think Bricklink is reasonable enough to allow them, as they are the ones who
decided not to put any sort of help or infrastructure in place to help sellers
testing their store which is of course essential to do. It's just that Bricklink
mistakes are fairly common, such as listings being removed for the wrong reasons.
Anyone who got their account removed for this reason, just point to this message
and I assume it will be ok.
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| | | | | | | Author: | C0lsanders_ | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 08:50 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Admittedly, it's been gone for a few years. I believe I casually mentioned
in the forum that I had a second account, for testing, and the next day it was
merged with my main. I had never used it to leave feedback on my main, nor did
I use it in any other store. Talked with an admin via email about it for a while
(pre time when it took months to hear from them), and he would not say why it
was a problem, just that it was "against the terms", and if I persisted, I would
be banned altogether. I think I used that account maybe twice, to check auto-checkout
when it was first new, or something.
In General, Teup writes:
| | In General, C0lsanders_ writes:
| | Curious as to why I had a second account (that I only used, rarely, to test-order
in my store) removed by admins, when I see others that blatantly advertise that
they have a second account. And, a second store with that second account. Why
allow that, and not allow me an account to test new features and the like in
my store?
Not entirely a rant, by the way. Genuinely curious.
Miles (C0lsanders_)
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Bricklink has even told us in the forum that it is acceptable to have a second
account for the purposes of testing your own store. So it would be a very odd
reason to remove it for just that. Are you sure you haven't (accidentally)
posted stuff on the forum or left feedback under that account?
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| | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 10:25 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Teup writes:
| | In General, C0lsanders_ writes:
| | Curious as to why I had a second account (that I only used, rarely, to test-order
in my store) removed by admins, when I see others that blatantly advertise that
they have a second account. And, a second store with that second account. Why
allow that, and not allow me an account to test new features and the like in
my store?
Not entirely a rant, by the way. Genuinely curious.
Miles (C0lsanders_)
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Bricklink has even told us in the forum that it is acceptable to have a second
account for the purposes of testing your own store. So it would be a very odd
reason to remove it for just that. Are you sure you haven't (accidentally)
posted stuff on the forum or left feedback under that account?
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Correct. The restriction is (roughly speaking) that you use it to see what IC
is returning, and not to create orders with an actual order number. Creating
a real order could be interpreted as attempting to leave yourself feedback, which
has been a no-no on BL since way back in the beginning.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 11:02 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 94 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, cosmicray writes:
| | In General, Teup writes:
| | In General, C0lsanders_ writes:
| | Curious as to why I had a second account (that I only used, rarely, to test-order
in my store) removed by admins, when I see others that blatantly advertise that
they have a second account. And, a second store with that second account. Why
allow that, and not allow me an account to test new features and the like in
my store?
Not entirely a rant, by the way. Genuinely curious.
Miles (C0lsanders_)
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Bricklink has even told us in the forum that it is acceptable to have a second
account for the purposes of testing your own store. So it would be a very odd
reason to remove it for just that. Are you sure you haven't (accidentally)
posted stuff on the forum or left feedback under that account?
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Correct. The restriction is (roughly speaking) that you use it to see what IC
is returning, and not to create orders with an actual order number.
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True in part...
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1264926
But not entirely, vis-à-vis a few posts:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1276223
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1297411
| | Creating a real order could be interpreted as attempting to leave yourself feedback, which has been a no-no on BL since way back in the beginning.
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The words “Just don’t use it to circumvent stoplists, etc, etc” speaks volumes
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WildBricks | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 11:53 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | General | |
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.... Whelp, that clears is all up. Just like mud. Clear as mud. Glad admin has
made it obvious for all to understand.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Dec 1, 2021 15:43 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, WildBricks writes:
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.... Whelp, that clears is all up. Just like mud. Clear as mud. Glad admin has
made it obvious for all to understand.
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Assuming it's sarcasm expressed from what many others must also be feeling?
I'd like to say that I think that the Admin are doing an amazing job at threading-the-needle
information wise, with what has been a rapid pace of ongoing progressions or
advancements with the site.
I'm certain few could or would perform as they have, at the level they have
at this juncture in the site's progression. Kudos to Russell and the team.
-popsicle
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 12:45 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, cosmicray writes:
| | Correct. The restriction is (roughly speaking) that you use it to see what IC
is returning, and not to create orders with an actual order number. Creating
a real order could be interpreted as attempting to leave yourself feedback, which
has been a no-no on BL since way back in the beginning.
Nita Rae
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Yet, if you report a user you can prove of doing so through the problem member
page, nothing happens. 
This user also tried to circumvent my stop list with the second account, was
reported as well and crickets from BL admin.
-- John
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| | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 09:22 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Post from Admin Russell:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1264926
There's other admin posts indicating that you have to ask the help desk for
permission. Search for "second account" in the forum.
In General, C0lsanders_ writes:
| | Curious as to why I had a second account (that I only used, rarely, to test-order
in my store) removed by admins, when I see others that blatantly advertise that
they have a second account. And, a second store with that second account. Why
allow that, and not allow me an account to test new features and the like in
my store?
Not entirely a rant, by the way. Genuinely curious.
Miles (C0lsanders_)
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| | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 12:04 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, C0lsanders_ writes:
| | Curious as to why I had a second account (that I only used, rarely, to test-order
in my store) removed by admins, when I see others that blatantly advertise that
they have a second account. And, a second store with that second account. Why
allow that, and not allow me an account to test new features and the like in
my store?
Not entirely a rant, by the way. Genuinely curious.
Miles (C0lsanders_)
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Have literally anyone else you know make an account and use that to check your
store.
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 21:55 | | Subject: | Re: Second accounts | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, C0lsanders_ writes:
| | Curious as to why I had a second account (that I only used, rarely, to test-order
in my store) removed by admins, when I see others that blatantly advertise that
they have a second account. And, a second store with that second account. Why
allow that, and not allow me an account to test new features and the like in
my store?
Not entirely a rant, by the way. Genuinely curious.
Miles (C0lsanders_)
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It's ridiculous that BrickLink STILL has not found a 'legal' way
for sellers to check the settings in their own shop. Gee, it's not like shipping
and terms are complicated or anything.
Russell said publicly that test-only accounts would not be targeted for removal,
so please complain loudly and keep us updated!
Here's hoping we get more improvements around here. 
Jen
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