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| | | Author: | faro  | | Posted: | Sep 1, 2021 16:12 | | Subject: | Light Lime Torsos in 2 different shades | | Viewed: | 101 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| Hi Bricklinkers,
the figure lom003, named ALTAIR, from the Life on Mars series was released in
set 7311 in 2001.
Owning over 5000 aliens and consequently also many lime ones I realized that
there are two different lime versions, the normal and a lighter one.
I am not sure if the different shades of lime were an production accident or
LEGO changed the color during the production...
...but what I can is that they seem to me more likely available in the US and
the UK, based on my orders.
I also never found a torso which both shades in it, so I do not think it is a
sunlight problem like with white bricks.
Interestingly I never found different shades of the corresponding legs part no.
x118.
What I can tell you they are way more rare.
Anyway there is no current price I on bricklink but I would offer 5 Dollars each.
Please check your torsos 30375, your figures lom003 and your sets 7311 and feel
free to reserve them for me on bricklink.com, if you have. I still need some
more  .
And of course comment on the post if you about the origin of this two versions.
Very thanks and greetings
Farid
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| | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Sep 1, 2021 18:13 | | Subject: | Re: Light Lime Torsos in 2 different shades | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, faro writes:
| | Hi Bricklinkers,
the figure lom003, named ALTAIR, from the Life on Mars series was released in
set 7311 in 2001.
Owning over 5000 aliens and consequently also many lime ones I realized that
there are two different lime versions, the normal and a lighter one.
I am not sure if the different shades of lime were an production accident or
LEGO changed the color during the production...
...but what I can is that they seem to me more likely available in the US and
the UK, based on my orders.
I also never found a torso which both shades in it, so I do not think it is a
sunlight problem like with white bricks.
Interestingly I never found different shades of the corresponding legs part no.
x118.
What I can tell you they are way more rare.
Anyway there is no current price I on bricklink but I would offer 5 Dollars each.
Please check your torsos 30375, your figures lom003 and your sets 7311 and feel
free to reserve them for me on bricklink.com, if you have. I still need some
more .
And of course comment on the post if you about the origin of this two versions.
Very thanks and greetings
Farid
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See this image ...
https://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1096474
There is some evidence that TLG was having issues with lime not being consistent,
back in the 2001-2002 era.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | Author: | rylie_aitch | | Posted: | Sep 2, 2021 11:50 | | Subject: | Re: Light Lime Torsos in 2 different shades | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, cosmicray writes:
Lime (119 Bright Yellowish Green) did have similar issues throughout the early-aughts,
but the clips in that photo are all Medium Lime (which Lego calls 115
Medium Yellowish Green).
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| | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Sep 1, 2021 21:35 | | Subject: | Re: Light Lime Torsos in 2 different shades | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, faro writes:
| | Hi Bricklinkers,
the figure lom003, named ALTAIR, from the Life on Mars series was released in
set 7311 in 2001.
Owning over 5000 aliens and consequently also many lime ones I realized that
there are two different lime versions, the normal and a lighter one.
I am not sure if the different shades of lime were an production accident or
LEGO changed the color during the production...
...but what I can is that they seem to me more likely available in the US and
the UK, based on my orders.
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Of course I don't know anything about the origin but there's a picture
attached to this message for anyone who is curious about what the lighter lime
torso looks like:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1265738
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| | | | | | | Author: | faro | | Posted: | Sep 2, 2021 05:57 | | Subject: | Re: Light Lime Torsos in 2 different shades | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, peregrinator writes:
| | In Buying, faro writes:
| | Hi Bricklinkers,
the figure lom003, named ALTAIR, from the Life on Mars series was released in
set 7311 in 2001.
Owning over 5000 aliens and consequently also many lime ones I realized that
there are two different lime versions, the normal and a lighter one.
I am not sure if the different shades of lime were an production accident or
LEGO changed the color during the production...
...but what I can is that they seem to me more likely available in the US and
the UK, based on my orders.
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Of course I don't know anything about the origin but there's a picture
attached to this message for anyone who is curious about what the lighter lime
torso looks like:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1265738
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Yes exactly, this color is so way off from the original lime, I am not sure if
this is a shade or just another color
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| | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Sep 2, 2021 08:51 | | Subject: | Re: Light Lime Torsos in 2 different shades | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, faro writes:
| | Hi Bricklinkers,
the figure lom003, named ALTAIR, from the Life on Mars series was released in
set 7311 in 2001.
Owning over 5000 aliens and consequently also many lime ones I realized that
there are two different lime versions, the normal and a lighter one.
I am not sure if the different shades of lime were an production accident or
LEGO changed the color during the production...
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I'm going to have another try, and using educated guesswork.
When you see a part, or in this case minifig, vary in color, it is most likely
due to the batch of ABS pellets being used. I doubt it was a deliberate decision,
and more likely a compromise. At that point in time (a 2001 set, with production
probably during 2000) TLG was using ABS pellets which came with the pigments
applied at the supplier. The system they use today, allows them to tweak the
pigments if needed. back in 2000, they would have to set an anomalous batch of
pellets aside, or send them back, and order more, or decide to use them (because
they were 'close enough' ).
Another set that had a color problem was 8009-1. According to my records, I parted
out 30 copies during the spring of 2003. The trans dark blue parts were (color-wise)
all over the map. They were very inconsistent. Some were translucent, and some
were transparent. But they shipped them to retail like that. Either QA was asleep
on the job, or they considered it insufficient to hold up release. It did not
change the play-value of the set, and was only apparent when there were sufficient
copies to compare. That may be the same value judgement with the LoM minifigs
(close enough, and almost no one will ever catch it).
What this suggests, is that no matter how much we (the AFOL community) want the
part color to have absolute consistency, it doesn't always happen. There
will be unique situations when part colors vary between multiple copies of the
same set. The average consumer will likely never see it.
This subject touches the endless debate about PLG and MS (using acronyms to avoid
triggers). People (on BL) swear that TLG shipped both variants in the same set,
but TLG only showed one 7-digit element number for that part.
Beyond that, and a few years after the LoM parts, TLG made a conscious decision
(and based on focus groups we were told at that time) to subtly change the grays
to bleys and brown to red-brown. In the AFOL community, it caused a massive uproar
(and likely because certain AFOLs were miffed that their investment in parts
based on the older shades was being deflated). TLG was very surprised at the
backlash, and tried to make amends, but did not back away from their decision
to change those colors. I do not believe the LoM minifigs were a deliberate change
of color, but am open to someone who worked inside TLG back 20 years ago, and
might have previously unknown information, to share it with us.
The subject you bring up is important, because it helps us to better focus on
'absolute colors' vs the reality of what happens in a production environment
when hard choices have to be made with little time to deal with them, and the
real costs of chasing 'absolute color consistency'.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | Author: | faro | | Posted: | Sep 2, 2021 10:01 | | Subject: | Re: Light Lime Torsos in 2 different shades | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, cosmicray writes:
| | In Buying, faro writes:
| | Hi Bricklinkers,
the figure lom003, named ALTAIR, from the Life on Mars series was released in
set 7311 in 2001.
Owning over 5000 aliens and consequently also many lime ones I realized that
there are two different lime versions, the normal and a lighter one.
I am not sure if the different shades of lime were an production accident or
LEGO changed the color during the production...
|
I'm going to have another try, and using educated guesswork.
When you see a part, or in this case minifig, vary in color, it is most likely
due to the batch of ABS pellets being used. I doubt it was a deliberate decision,
and more likely a compromise. At that point in time (a 2001 set, with production
probably during 2000) TLG was using ABS pellets which came with the pigments
applied at the supplier. The system they use today, allows them to tweak the
pigments if needed. back in 2000, they would have to set an anomalous batch of
pellets aside, or send them back, and order more, or decide to use them (because
they were 'close enough' ).
Another set that had a color problem was 8009-1. According to my records, I parted
out 30 copies during the spring of 2003. The trans dark blue parts were (color-wise)
all over the map. They were very inconsistent. Some were translucent, and some
were transparent. But they shipped them to retail like that. Either QA was asleep
on the job, or they considered it insufficient to hold up release. It did not
change the play-value of the set, and was only apparent when there were sufficient
copies to compare. That may be the same value judgement with the LoM minifigs
(close enough, and almost no one will ever catch it).
What this suggests, is that no matter how much we (the AFOL community) want the
part color to have absolute consistency, it doesn't always happen. There
will be unique situations when part colors vary between multiple copies of the
same set. The average consumer will likely never see it.
This subject touches the endless debate about PLG and MS (using acronyms to avoid
triggers). People (on BL) swear that TLG shipped both variants in the same set,
but TLG only showed one 7-digit element number for that part.
Beyond that, and a few years after the LoM parts, TLG made a conscious decision
(and based on focus groups we were told at that time) to subtly change the grays
to bleys and brown to red-brown. In the AFOL community, it caused a massive uproar
(and likely because certain AFOLs were miffed that their investment in parts
based on the older shades was being deflated). TLG was very surprised at the
backlash, and tried to make amends, but did not back away from their decision
to change those colors. I do not believe the LoM minifigs were a deliberate change
of color, but am open to someone who worked inside TLG back 20 years ago, and
might have previously unknown information, to share it with us.
The subject you bring up is important, because it helps us to better focus on
'absolute colors' vs the reality of what happens in a production environment
when hard choices have to be made with little time to deal with them, and the
real costs of chasing 'absolute color consistency'.
Nita Rae
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Hi Nita,
thanks for your message.
That helps me out.
It is just like for me as a LEGO army builder and decided two collect both variants
as they are very very different and would be happy to hear about some insights
Greets and thanks
Farid
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| | | | | | | Author: | Brickitty | | Posted: | Sep 2, 2021 12:10 | | Subject: | Re: Light Lime Torsos in 2 different shades | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, cosmicray writes:
| | In Buying, faro writes:
| | Hi Bricklinkers,
the figure lom003, named ALTAIR, from the Life on Mars series was released in
set 7311 in 2001.
Owning over 5000 aliens and consequently also many lime ones I realized that
there are two different lime versions, the normal and a lighter one.
I am not sure if the different shades of lime were an production accident or
LEGO changed the color during the production...
|
I'm going to have another try, and using educated guesswork.
When you see a part, or in this case minifig, vary in color, it is most likely
due to the batch of ABS pellets being used. I doubt it was a deliberate decision,
and more likely a compromise. At that point in time (a 2001 set, with production
probably during 2000) TLG was using ABS pellets which came with the pigments
applied at the supplier. The system they use today, allows them to tweak the
pigments if needed. back in 2000, they would have to set an anomalous batch of
pellets aside, or send them back, and order more, or decide to use them (because
they were 'close enough' ).
Another set that had a color problem was 8009-1. According to my records, I parted
out 30 copies during the spring of 2003. The trans dark blue parts were (color-wise)
all over the map. They were very inconsistent. Some were translucent, and some
were transparent. But they shipped them to retail like that. Either QA was asleep
on the job, or they considered it insufficient to hold up release. It did not
change the play-value of the set, and was only apparent when there were sufficient
copies to compare. That may be the same value judgement with the LoM minifigs
(close enough, and almost no one will ever catch it).
What this suggests, is that no matter how much we (the AFOL community) want the
part color to have absolute consistency, it doesn't always happen. There
will be unique situations when part colors vary between multiple copies of the
same set. The average consumer will likely never see it.
This subject touches the endless debate about PLG and MS (using acronyms to avoid
triggers). People (on BL) swear that TLG shipped both variants in the same set,
but TLG only showed one 7-digit element number for that part.
Beyond that, and a few years after the LoM parts, TLG made a conscious decision
(and based on focus groups we were told at that time) to subtly change the grays
to bleys and brown to red-brown. In the AFOL community, it caused a massive uproar
(and likely because certain AFOLs were miffed that their investment in parts
based on the older shades was being deflated). TLG was very surprised at the
backlash, and tried to make amends, but did not back away from their decision
to change those colors. I do not believe the LoM minifigs were a deliberate change
of color, but am open to someone who worked inside TLG back 20 years ago, and
might have previously unknown information, to share it with us.
The subject you bring up is important, because it helps us to better focus on
'absolute colors' vs the reality of what happens in a production environment
when hard choices have to be made with little time to deal with them, and the
real costs of chasing 'absolute color consistency'.
Nita Rae
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Really interesting post, and very informative. Thank you!
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