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 Author: bricks.steine View Messages Posted By bricks.steine
 Posted: May 18, 2021 15:57
 Subject: Important changes German "Verpackungsgesetz"
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A message to the bricklink-Administration:

The German "Verpackungsgesetz" ("Packaging Law") has been changed.

I am not a lawyer, but there is one important change that - maybe - is affecting
bricklink:

If bricklink acts as an Online Marketplace (and I guess that is the fact if you
see all the changes concerning US-taxes, UK-VAT,...), from next year on, bricklink
has to make sure that all German sellers are licensed to the LUCID-platform (platform
for licensing packaging material used by sellers). Otherwise bricklink as the
responsible Online Marketplace could get "draconic penalties" (words used by
a German law firm) by the German authorities.

Again: I am not a lawyer - maybe I made a mistake in interpreting that text.
But it could be a good idea that bricklink checks the upcoming legal obligations.
There is enough time: the changes come into effect in July 2022.

But we all followed how long the implementation of UK-VAT lasted - I would not
love it if German sellers are banned by bricklink after the first penalty because
of that changes in law.

Please bricklink, start now to check your upcoming obligations - not in July
2022.

Best regards

Stefan
 Author: StonesHeart View Messages Posted By StonesHeart
 Posted: May 18, 2021 16:27
 Subject: Re: Important changes German "Verpackungsgesetz"
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In Terms and Policies, bricks.steine writes:
  A message to the bricklink-Administration:

The German "Verpackungsgesetz" ("Packaging Law") has been changed.

I am not a lawyer, but there is one important change that - maybe - is affecting
bricklink:

If bricklink acts as an Online Marketplace (and I guess that is the fact if you
see all the changes concerning US-taxes, UK-VAT,...), from next year on, bricklink
has to make sure that all German sellers are licensed to the LUCID-platform (platform
for licensing packaging material used by sellers). Otherwise bricklink as the
responsible Online Marketplace could get "draconic penalties" (words used by
a German law firm) by the German authorities.

Again: I am not a lawyer - maybe I made a mistake in interpreting that text.
But it could be a good idea that bricklink checks the upcoming legal obligations.
There is enough time: the changes come into effect in July 2022.

But we all followed how long the implementation of UK-VAT lasted - I would not
love it if German sellers are banned by bricklink after the first penalty because
of that changes in law.

Please bricklink, start now to check your upcoming obligations - not in July
2022.

Best regards

Stefan

Is to remove plastic in packaging? Would applaude that. But it would require
to reconsider LEGO packaging big time.

Thanks for the heads-up,
Marco
 Author: bricks.steine View Messages Posted By bricks.steine
 Posted: May 18, 2021 16:50
 Subject: Re: Important changes German "Verpackungsgesetz"
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Not only plastic. You have to register every kind of packaging material that
you use: Paper, plastic, glass,...

And of course you have to pay fees to recycling companies for that amounts of
packaging material

https://www.verpackungsregister.org/

Regards

Stefan

In Terms and Policies, StonesHeart writes:
  In Terms and Policies, bricks.steine writes:
  A message to the bricklink-Administration:

The German "Verpackungsgesetz" ("Packaging Law") has been changed.

I am not a lawyer, but there is one important change that - maybe - is affecting
bricklink:

If bricklink acts as an Online Marketplace (and I guess that is the fact if you
see all the changes concerning US-taxes, UK-VAT,...), from next year on, bricklink
has to make sure that all German sellers are licensed to the LUCID-platform (platform
for licensing packaging material used by sellers). Otherwise bricklink as the
responsible Online Marketplace could get "draconic penalties" (words used by
a German law firm) by the German authorities.

Again: I am not a lawyer - maybe I made a mistake in interpreting that text.
But it could be a good idea that bricklink checks the upcoming legal obligations.
There is enough time: the changes come into effect in July 2022.

But we all followed how long the implementation of UK-VAT lasted - I would not
love it if German sellers are banned by bricklink after the first penalty because
of that changes in law.

Please bricklink, start now to check your upcoming obligations - not in July
2022.

Best regards

Stefan

Is to remove plastic in packaging? Would applaude that. But it would require
to reconsider LEGO packaging big time.

Thanks for the heads-up,
Marco
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: May 18, 2021 17:29
 Subject: Re: Important changes German "Verpackungsgesetz"
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In Terms and Policies, bricks.steine writes:
  A message to the bricklink-Administration:

The German "Verpackungsgesetz" ("Packaging Law") has been changed.

I am not a lawyer, but there is one important change that - maybe - is affecting
bricklink:

If bricklink acts as an Online Marketplace (and I guess that is the fact if you
see all the changes concerning US-taxes, UK-VAT,...), from next year on, bricklink
has to make sure that all German sellers are licensed to the LUCID-platform (platform
for licensing packaging material used by sellers). Otherwise bricklink as the
responsible Online Marketplace could get "draconic penalties" (words used by
a German law firm) by the German authorities.

Again: I am not a lawyer - maybe I made a mistake in interpreting that text.
But it could be a good idea that bricklink checks the upcoming legal obligations.
There is enough time: the changes come into effect in July 2022.

But we all followed how long the implementation of UK-VAT lasted - I would not
love it if German sellers are banned by bricklink after the first penalty because
of that changes in law.

Please bricklink, start now to check your upcoming obligations - not in July
2022.

Best regards

Stefan

Interesting. I have attempted to find something similar in The NL found a site
with regulations but not something like LUCID. Not yet, because if this is an
EU regulation I assume it will be implemented in all EU countries?

Arnoud
 Author: bricks.steine View Messages Posted By bricks.steine
 Posted: May 19, 2021 02:18
 Subject: Re: Important changes German "Verpackungsgesetz"
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It is a German law, but based on a EU decision from the 1990s.
Every EU country did something different to reduce packaging material - Germany
constructed a bureaucratic monster. This monster is growing even more in the
next years after the actual changes...

Regards

Stefan

In Terms and Policies, patpendlego writes:
  In Terms and Policies, bricks.steine writes:
  A message to the bricklink-Administration:

The German "Verpackungsgesetz" ("Packaging Law") has been changed.

I am not a lawyer, but there is one important change that - maybe - is affecting
bricklink:

If bricklink acts as an Online Marketplace (and I guess that is the fact if you
see all the changes concerning US-taxes, UK-VAT,...), from next year on, bricklink
has to make sure that all German sellers are licensed to the LUCID-platform (platform
for licensing packaging material used by sellers). Otherwise bricklink as the
responsible Online Marketplace could get "draconic penalties" (words used by
a German law firm) by the German authorities.

Again: I am not a lawyer - maybe I made a mistake in interpreting that text.
But it could be a good idea that bricklink checks the upcoming legal obligations.
There is enough time: the changes come into effect in July 2022.

But we all followed how long the implementation of UK-VAT lasted - I would not
love it if German sellers are banned by bricklink after the first penalty because
of that changes in law.

Please bricklink, start now to check your upcoming obligations - not in July
2022.

Best regards

Stefan

Interesting. I have attempted to find something similar in The NL found a site
with regulations but not something like LUCID. Not yet, because if this is an
EU regulation I assume it will be implemented in all EU countries?

Arnoud