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 Author: samsam2 View Messages Posted By samsam2
 Posted: May 4, 2021 21:11
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samsam2 (2360)

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You can see in the additional image for the box I just submitted for set
 
Set No: 6950  Name: Mobile Rocket Transport
* 
6950-1 (Inv) Mobile Rocket Transport
197 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1982
Sets: Space: Classic Space
the piece count is 220. Whereas the current inventory for the set with minifigs
broken down gives a part count of 207, a difference of 13 pieces.

I guess this is common in old sets? But there could have been 'extras'
included but not needed in the instructions? Or is this another 'packaged
by Samsonite' difference?
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: May 4, 2021 21:16
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In Inventories, samsam2 writes:
  You can see in the additional image for the box I just submitted for set
 
Set No: 6950  Name: Mobile Rocket Transport
* 
6950-1 (Inv) Mobile Rocket Transport
197 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1982
Sets: Space: Classic Space
the piece count is 220. Whereas the current inventory for the set with minifigs
broken down gives a part count of 207, a difference of 13 pieces.

I guess this is common in old sets? But there could have been 'extras'
included but not needed in the instructions? Or is this another 'packaged
by Samsonite' difference?

I have opened some Canadaian sets from the early 1980s and there were extra parts
add. But it was obvious which ones, as they didn't have anything to do with
the set.

I think it's because that additional parts during these years were often
added to sets. You can sometimes see them being used on the back of the box.
A great example of that is the classic yellow castle:
 
Set No: 375  Name: Castle
* 
375-2 (Inv) Castle
706 Parts, 14 Minifigures, 1978
Sets: Castle: Classic Castle
Take a look at the change log there.
 Author: Macaronis View Messages Posted By Macaronis
 Posted: May 4, 2021 21:47
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In Inventories, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Inventories, samsam2 writes:
  You can see in the additional image for the box I just submitted for set
 
Set No: 6950  Name: Mobile Rocket Transport
* 
6950-1 (Inv) Mobile Rocket Transport
197 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1982
Sets: Space: Classic Space
the piece count is 220. Whereas the current inventory for the set with minifigs
broken down gives a part count of 207, a difference of 13 pieces.

I guess this is common in old sets? But there could have been 'extras'
included but not needed in the instructions? Or is this another 'packaged
by Samsonite' difference?

I have opened some Canadaian sets from the early 1980s and there were extra parts
add. But it was obvious which ones, as they didn't have anything to do with
the set.

I think it's because that additional parts during these years were often
added to sets. You can sometimes see them being used on the back of the box.
A great example of that is the classic yellow castle:
 
Set No: 375  Name: Castle
* 
375-2 (Inv) Castle
706 Parts, 14 Minifigures, 1978
Sets: Castle: Classic Castle
Take a look at the change log there.

Almost every single one of my '79-'85 sets I remember owning had extras
and it always seemed like it was a game. Like the guy on the line packing found
something laying on the ground near injector and tossed it in. That was always
speculation when I was like 8 since it never made any sense to me on what those
particular parts where for. The one I remember the most was my very old
 
Set No: 850  Name: Fork Lift
* 
850-1 (Inv) Fork Lift
207 Parts, 1977
Sets: Technic: Expert Builder
Keep in mind this was a YELLOW Expert Builder Forklift Set. I got two Extra RED
2x4 Technic plates with holes in the sealed box.

aside from the b or c model parts.... these parts had ZERO place in the set
 Author: 1974 View Messages Posted By 1974
 Posted: May 5, 2021 06:32
 Subject: Re: 6950 piece count on box
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1974 (744)

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In Inventories, Admin_Russell writes:

  Take a look at the change log there.

I never noticed the messages from the forum attached to the changes. Very nice!

Not so nice that they're purged like other forum messages

Words and letters take up very little HD space. Images do. Please consider to
remove the ability to upload pics in the forum threads and retain all messages
(like all other normal forums do)

Cheers,

Ole
 Author: paulvdb View Messages Posted By paulvdb
 Posted: May 5, 2021 08:29
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In Inventories, 1974 writes:
  Not so nice that they're purged like other forum messages

Not any more. But unfortunately the messages for older change requests are lost.
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
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In Inventories, samsam2 writes:
  You can see in the additional image for the box I just submitted for set
 
Set No: 6950  Name: Mobile Rocket Transport
* 
6950-1 (Inv) Mobile Rocket Transport
197 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1982
Sets: Space: Classic Space
the piece count is 220. Whereas the current inventory for the set with minifigs
broken down gives a part count of 207, a difference of 13 pieces.

I guess this is common in old sets? But there could have been 'extras'
included but not needed in the instructions? Or is this another 'packaged
by Samsonite' difference?

The piececount on the USA version is 202.

Each minifig (with airtank) is in general counted as 4 pieces;
If they counted head and torso separately, it would be counted as 5 pieces.

So we get
197+2*4=205
197+2*5=207

We can take out shot and take average of the two piece-counts:
(202+220)/2 = 211

Still not 202 nor 220


It is not gonna be 202 or 220. So we need to investigate further:

Upon checking images available on google, we realize there are two piece-counts
for Canadian boxes. One is correctly 220 and the other one is 205! See photos
two and three.
This suggests that TLG realized the mistake happened and corrected it in later
production. The correct piece-count for minifigs is 3 (here 4 because of yellow
airtank):
197+2*4=205

In the last photo, we see the two minifigs very happy for this conclusion.
 






 Author: peregrinator View Messages Posted By peregrinator
 Posted: May 5, 2021 07:33
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In Inventories, samsam2 writes:
  I guess this is common in old sets? But there could have been 'extras'
included but not needed in the instructions? Or is this another 'packaged
by Samsonite' difference?

My memory could well be wrong but I had a lot of the Space sets from this era
while growing up and I don't remember *any* extras. Technic/Expert Builder
is another story.

This was also long after the Samsonite era had come to an end (they were still
marketing Lego at the time, but not producing or distributing): http://www.miniland.nl/Historie/legoautos/samsonite/samsonite%20pagina%20eng.htm
 Author: samsam2 View Messages Posted By samsam2
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In Inventories, peregrinator writes:
  
This was also long after the Samsonite era had come to an end (they were still
marketing Lego at the time, but not producing or distributing): http://www.miniland.nl/Historie/legoautos/samsonite/samsonite%20pagina%20eng.htm

Samsonite Canada was still producing parts, packaging sets and selling Lego well
into the 1980's. I have family who worked there into the 80's. The boxes
say right on them, made in Canada when entirely made in Canada. The proportion
of "Made in Canada" sets decreased, and it became, "Packaged by Samsonite" and
also "Imported by Samsonite"