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| | | Author: | jennnifer  | | Posted: | Aug 1, 2020 10:43 | | Subject: | Category Definitions suggestions, Part 1 | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Regarding: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1200979
Hello all!
I have spent a fair bit of time going over the currently published category definitions
in order to clarify the text and create consistency within the contents of each
category. This is just the start, and I welcome help in refining or trouble-shooting
any new language.
I am hoping very much that this can be a free and open discussion. I am not advocating
for any particular changes, and I won’t be the person who decides what happens.
(So please don’t yell at me!) I would simply like to support the volunteer admins
work towards improving our excellent catalog. 
I reviewed only some common Part categories. I have not looked far into minifigs,
Bionicle, Duplo, or technic as of yet. Where I have indicated a ‘larger discussion
needed’ I will post an individual thread later with my ideas.
Thanks,
Jen
Here is the list of categories where I see inconsistencies related to their current
definitions. I have indicated solutions when one seemed obvious to me.
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Antenna - For items resembling masts or structures used to receive or broadcast
radio and television signals.
Issue: There are currently flags in this category
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Ball - For freely-rolling spherical objects without modifications.
Issue: Part x12 does not fit definition
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Baseplate - For flat items thinner than plates typically covered in studs and
used as bases for building large models.
Baseplate, Road - For baseplates that feature a stud-free surface intended to
be used for vehicle movement or landing.
Issue: It is difficult to determine what is ‘intended’ unless the parts are
decorated with road markings. There are also baseplates with the word ‘driveway’
in the original category.
Solution: Perhaps the categories should be more simply redefined as: Baseplate
and Baseplate, Decorated
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Bracket - For items that attach to a surface and allow building onto that surface
at an angle.
Issue: This definition would include Modified Bricks like 22885.
Solution: new definition that indicates the bracket extensions are the thickness
of a plate
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Brick, Arch – major issues here which require a larger discussion pertaining
to the difference between and arch, mudguard, and curved slope.
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Brick, Modified -- major issues here which require a larger discussion pertaining
to the removal of curved items from this category
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Brick, Round - For bricks and modified bricks with spherical sides, with or without
attachments.
Issue: It is not the sides being spherical that defines this category, it is
the base.
Solution: new definition:
Brick, Round – For bricks or modified bricks with a round base or a section of
a round base, with or without attachments.
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Cloth - For items made of woven fibers.
Issue: Both woven and knit fibers are present. Also, I believe it needs to be
distinguished from items intended for minifigs
Solution: new definition:
Cloth – For items made of woven or knit fibers and excepting those intended to
be worn by Minifigures or Mini Dolls
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Cone - For items with a round base that narrow to a tip.
Issue: ‘narrow to a tip’ is not accurate as this category contains both cones
and truncated cones. The sides need to be defined as flat (ie planar or not curved)
to distinguish the category from Brick, Round.
Solution: new definition:
Cone - For items with a round base with sides that taper and are not curved.
Result: part 35574 moved to Round, Brick. parts 18909, 66606 moved to Panel or
Cylinder. (Personally, I would also move the drill bits to Vehicle.)
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Cylinder - major issues here which require a larger discussion pertaining the
difference between Cylinder, Roof, and Panel
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| | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 1, 2020 12:40 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions suggestions, Part 1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
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Cone - For items with a round base that narrow to a tip.
Issue: ‘narrow to a tip’ is not accurate as this category contains both cones
and truncated cones. The sides need to be defined as flat (ie planar or not curved)
to distinguish the category from Brick, Round.
Solution: new definition:
Cone - For items with a round base with sides that taper and are not curved.
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“not vertically curved”
Because they are horizontally curved and that could be misunderstood (“What?
They are round but shan’t be curved?”).
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| | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Aug 1, 2020 13:29 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions suggestions, Part 1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
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Cone - For items with a round base that narrow to a tip.
Issue: ‘narrow to a tip’ is not accurate as this category contains both cones
and truncated cones. The sides need to be defined as flat (ie planar or not curved)
to distinguish the category from Brick, Round.
Solution: new definition:
Cone - For items with a round base with sides that taper and are not curved.
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“not vertically curved”
Because they are horizontally curved and that could be misunderstood (“What?
They are round but shan’t be curved?”).
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Ah, yes, I see what you mean here. I have spent too much time teaching geometry
to my kid.
The surface of a cone actually is flat or planar. If you took apart a cone
made of paper, you would have a base shaped like a circle, and the upper surface
would unroll and lay flat, unlike the surface of anything spherical or curved
like a baseball. In the common vernacular, I can see how my definition could
be misleading. I will see if I can phrase it better.
Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 1, 2020 13:35 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions suggestions, Part 1 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
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Cone - For items with a round base that narrow to a tip.
Issue: ‘narrow to a tip’ is not accurate as this category contains both cones
and truncated cones. The sides need to be defined as flat (ie planar or not curved)
to distinguish the category from Brick, Round.
Solution: new definition:
Cone - For items with a round base with sides that taper and are not curved.
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“not vertically curved”
Because they are horizontally curved and that could be misunderstood (“What?
They are round but shan’t be curved?”).
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How about: For items that are conical, including truncated cones.
After all, there are truncations that are vertical as well as horizontal, such
as:
These do not have a round base.
And there are also inverted cones that have a circular top rather than base such
as:
There is also this duplo part
if they did a piece like that in regular LEGO I would hope it would go into the
cone section. If the definition rules out vertical curvature, then they would
be excluded and have to go elsewhere, or require a re-write of the definition.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 1, 2020 13:50 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Aug 1, 2020 12:51 | | Subject: | Re: Category Defs suggestions, Pt 1, Antenna, Ball | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | Regarding: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1200979
Hello all!
I have spent a fair bit of time going over the currently published category definitions
in order to clarify the text and create consistency within the contents of each
category. This is just the start, and I welcome help in refining or trouble-shooting
any new language.
I am hoping very much that this can be a free and open discussion. I am not advocating
for any particular changes, and I won’t be the person who decides what happens.
(So please don’t yell at me!) I would simply like to support the volunteer admins
work towards improving our excellent catalog.
I reviewed only some common Part categories. I have not looked far into minifigs,
Bionicle, Duplo, or technic as of yet. Where I have indicated a ‘larger discussion
needed’ I will post an individual thread later with my ideas.
Thanks,
Jen
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Hi Jen
I hope you do not mind me piggybacking on your posts as you've done a better
job than me; mine was written telegram style, so I've canned them and will
add to yours and will add a few more as time allows. I'm hoping the catmins
will sort these somehow for easier reference.
Personally, I think the Duplo categories are a right royal mess as they are not
consistent with the main catalogue, but I would prefer a Duplo expert to try
and make head or tail of sorting those categories and the individual parts in
them. I'm not a Duplo expert so I'll try not to interfere with Duplo
at all.
Ta
Jean
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Here is the list of categories where I see inconsistencies related to their current
definitions. I have indicated solutions when one seemed obvious to me.
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Antenna - For items resembling masts or structures used to receive or broadcast
radio and television signals.
Issue: There are currently flags in this category
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* | | 3957pb01 Antenna 4H with Flag with Blue, Red and Green Balloons Pattern (Sticker) - Set 3108
Parts: Antenna |
* | | 3957pb02 Antenna 4H with Flag with Yellow, Pink and Blue Balloons Pattern (Sticker) - Set 3159
Parts: Antenna |
Parts 30322pb*
(this is not a packing dimension adjustment, don't expect macro tags on everything )
Those parts should all be moved to flags, as they fit the definition of a flag:
"For cloths intended for attachment to a pole and molded flag and pole assemblies.
" the antenna performing the function of a pole. It can of course be said that
flag is incidental to the antenna part and that the antenna is the actual part
under consideration. I've tried to find fixed flag assemblies for ham radio's
and other broadcasting services, but they all appear to be used as a flag pole
once the flag is attached. In South Africa, no matter what pole you use for the
flag, it can only be hoisted in daylight hours and you must use a flag pole only
as a flag pole (the flag being this holy thing apparently). My preference would
be for the flag parts to move to flags and to keep the definition as is.
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Ball - For freely-rolling spherical objects without modifications.
Issue: Part x12 does not fit definition
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I'm not clear on the retention of the Belville, Hero Factory, Scala, etc
specific categories for parts. The feeling I got was that these types of series
specific parts will be retained under the category name, so this part should
move to Belville or Scala.
But:
x45pb*
54821pb*
would probably be better served under ball, except maybe for
to stay under the Foam category.
snip
More later
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